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Douche Baggins
10-07-2007, 01:01 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/306486.html

The ball Tony Gonzalez caught last week that tied the NFL record for career touchdowns by a tight end sits atop his locker. It will go to his mother, Judy.

The ball that will give him the record will go to his older brother Chris.

“He’s the one who got me started in football,” said Gonzalez, whose 62 career touchdown catches is tied with Shannon Sharpe for the most by a tight end.

“I hated football at the beginning. I honestly don’t think I would have played if it wasn’t for him.”

If Gonzalez, an eight-time Pro Bowler, breaks the mark in today’s game against Jacksonville, it will give him immense satisfaction — but he’ll be far from content.

“You’re talking about the history of the NFL, so, of course, you have to take satisfaction in it,” said Gonzalez, also the Chiefs’ all-time touchdown receptions leader. “So, wow, it’s something I never, ever, ever thought at the beginning of my career that I’d be able to accomplish.

“But to me, it’s another chapter that’s turning. I’ve got a lot more in me, and a lot more to go, hopefully.”

When his career began, Gonzalez studied the game’s best tight ends.

“Keith Jackson, Brent Jones were the first guys in the league I was watching,” Gonzalez said. “Shannon Sharpe, Ben Coates … I continue to watch guys. I watch Antonio Gates, when I go to the Pro Bowl and see what he’s doing. My old-school favorites … John Mackey, Mike Ditka, Kellen Winslow … I’ve I learned a lot.”

Gonzalez, 31, is not only tied with Sharpe for the most career touchdowns, but he needs 74 receptions and 1,113 yards to overtake him for the all-time lead for tight ends in those categories. That most likely would punch his ticket to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

“All that stuff will take care of itself,” Gonzalez said. “I’d be lying if I said I never thought about Hall of Fame implications. But as far as I’m concerned, if I keep going out there and stay healthy, that will take care of itself.”

The only thing missing on Gonzalez’s resume is postseason success. The Chiefs are 0-3 in the playoffs during his career.

“I know what he wants to do,” Chiefs coach Herm Edwards said. “He wants to play in the big game. That he hasn’t won a playoff game is remarkable. He’s achieved a lot of individual stats, but Tony’s not that type of guy. He wants to get that one stat it takes the whole team to do. That’s playing in the (Super Bowl).”

If Gonzalez doesn’t reach the Super Bowl, he will still go down in history as a player who helped redefine the tight-end position.

“If there is any legacy I would like to leave, it’s being a complete tight end,” Gonzalez said. “It’s not just about catching balls. Nowadays, a lot of these young tight ends are catching a lot of passes. But that’s not the position. That’s where Shannon and I disagree. They don’t pay you just to catch balls. If you’re a tight end, you’d better be a blocker, too.”

BCD
10-07-2007, 01:07 AM
Next season, TG will officially be the greatest TE to ever play the game.

BCD
10-07-2007, 01:07 AM
Oh, and SUCK IT, HORSEFACE!

morphius
10-07-2007, 01:10 AM
He knows the records are pretty much a lock for him now, he just wants the ring to go along with it.

Otter
10-07-2007, 04:30 AM
He knows the records are pretty much a lock for him now, he just wants the ring to go along with it.

Here's to TG making that enthusiasm go uphill in the organization.


:BLVD:

Garcia Bronco
10-07-2007, 06:12 AM
Next season, TG will officially be the greatest TE to ever play the game.

As good as he's been, he'll never be better than Sharpe. Or even Winslow.

CupidStunt
10-07-2007, 06:32 AM
Gonzalez is one of the best receiving TEs of all time; and of those that can compare to him in that department, none blocked like Gonzalez does.

Garcia Bronco
10-07-2007, 06:44 AM
TG is a better blocker than Sharpe was, but Sharpr translated his abilities into Championships.

CupidStunt
10-07-2007, 06:56 AM
TG is a better blocker than Sharpe was, but Sharpr translated his abilities into Championships.

He didn't translate dick. He played on better teams, with a better QB.

Rod Smith has more rings than Randy Moss. Your point?

boogblaster
10-07-2007, 07:43 AM
TG is and always will be, better than Horse-face Sharpe ....

Deberg_1990
10-07-2007, 07:45 AM
Nothing against Sharpe, He was a great player no doubt but.....

Sharpe was a WR prentending to play TE.

blueballs
10-07-2007, 07:48 AM
Tony G is still playing
while Sharpe is talking about playing

milkman
10-07-2007, 08:00 AM
Gonzales is a good player, and I would agree he's better than Sharpe.

But if you could line 'em up in their prime and pick any of them to play for you, I'd take Kellen Winslow without any second thoughts.

scott free
10-07-2007, 08:17 AM
He didn't translate dick. He played on better teams, with a better QB.

Rod Smith has more rings than Randy Moss. Your point?

:bravo:

BCD
10-07-2007, 08:23 AM
TG is a better blocker than Sharpe was, but Sharpr translated his abilities into Championships.Whatever, dude. I have 4 words for you. John. Elway. Terrel. Davis. And don't bring up Balimore, that D won for them.

BCD
10-07-2007, 08:25 AM
As good as he's been, he'll never be better than Sharpe. Or even Winslow.He will obliterate their career numbers.

CoMoChief
10-07-2007, 08:31 AM
It really doesn't matter anyways because Antonio Gates is going to shatter all of the TE records barring injury.

Douche Baggins
10-07-2007, 08:37 AM
It really doesn't matter anyways because Antonio Gates is going to shatter all of the TE records barring injury.

That's a big deal though. Staying healthy for 12-13 years isn't easy. Gates could be done in four or five years. You just never know.

milkman
10-07-2007, 08:40 AM
He will obliterate their career numbers.

Yeah so?

In baseball, Hank Aaron became the home run king while playing in the same era as Willie Mays, still, IMO, the greatest player of all time.

HypnotizedMonkey
10-07-2007, 08:46 AM
F Shannon Sharp and all the other :donkeys:

dtebbe
10-07-2007, 09:48 AM
It really doesn't matter anyways because Antonio Gates is going to shatter all of the TE records barring injury.

He already holds the "widest ass" category.

DT

Reerun_KC
10-07-2007, 10:04 AM
He didn't translate dick. He played on better teams, with a better QB.

Rod Smith has more rings than Randy Moss. Your point?


Rod Smith is a First Ballot HOFer.... Undrafted Free Agent that put up staggering numbers...

Moss is a first round pick.. HOFer? Who knows...

But that was a pretty weak comparison...

Douche Baggins
10-07-2007, 10:12 AM
Rod Smith is NOT a first ballot HOF'er. He's very questionable as to getting in right now.

Reerun_KC
10-07-2007, 10:12 AM
Rod Smith is NOT a first ballot HOF'er. He's very questionable as to getting in right now.


Says?

BCD
10-07-2007, 10:13 AM
It really doesn't matter anyways because Antonio Gates is going to shatter all of the TE records barring injury.I don't know about that. Gates is only 4 yrs younger than TG and currently has 298 catches. TDs, yes he will own that. Not sure about the total receptions. TG could break 1000 before he is done.

Adept Havelock
10-07-2007, 10:13 AM
As good as he's been, he'll never be better than Sharpe. Or even Winslow.


If Sharpe excelled at both parts of playing TE (Receiving and Blocking), you might have a point.

As he was an excellent receiver who couldn't block worth a damn, you don't.

Terrell Davis has more rings than Jim Brown, but that doesn't even come close to putting him in the same league as JB.

If they all stay healthy, I think it'll read like this in a few years:

Kellen Winslow Sr.
Tony G.
Antonio Gates
Shannon Sharpe

CupidStunt
10-07-2007, 10:13 AM
Rod Smith is a First Ballot HOFer.... Undrafted Free Agent that put up staggering numbers...

Moss is a first round pick.. HOFer? Who knows...

But that was a pretty weak comparison...

Rod Smith isn't a first ballot HOFer, and Randy Moss questionable? Don't f**king kid yourself.

Smith isn't in the same galaxy as Moss, rings or not.

"Comparison?"

Word you're lookin' for is "analogy", sparky.

DaFace
10-07-2007, 10:13 AM
Rod Smith is a First Ballot HOFer.... Undrafted Free Agent that put up staggering numbers...

Moss is a first round pick.. HOFer? Who knows...

But that was a pretty weak comparison...

Since when does getting into the HOF depend on when a player was drafted? :spock:

Deberg_1990
10-07-2007, 10:14 AM
Rod Smith is a First Ballot HOFer.... Undrafted Free Agent that put up staggering numbers...



Highly questionable. He played in a pass happy era. Art Monk cant even get in.

BCD
10-07-2007, 10:26 AM
Art Monk cant even get in.This, IMO, is a travesty.

Reerun_KC
10-07-2007, 10:27 AM
Rod Smith isn't a first ballot HOFer, and Randy Moss questionable? Don't f**king kid yourself.

Smith isn't in the same galaxy as Moss, rings or not.

"Comparison?"

Word you're lookin' for is "analogy", sparky.


Easy there! It seems like I was listening to Sirius NFL the other day and they were talking about Moss being questionable for the HOF.... I think if Moss stays with a real coach like Belicheck then he has a very good chance of getting to the HOF... The guy is a freak of nature at the WR position.

I never said Smith was Moss or Moss was Smith...

Also for what Smith put up as and UFA, is pretty special.. Moss should put up better numbers for he is more talented than Smith no Question.

Smith should make it to the HOF... Okay so maybe not first ballot. But he should be there.

Reerun_KC
10-07-2007, 10:27 AM
This, IMO, is a travesty.


Agree....

the Talking Can
10-07-2007, 10:33 AM
Imagine Tony's numbers if he spent a career with John Elway instead of Bono, Grbac, Huard....

milkman
10-07-2007, 10:37 AM
Imagine Tony's numbers if he spent a career with John Elway instead of Bono, Grbac, Huard....

Then again, imagine Tony's numbers if he wasn't the only receiving threat throughout most of his career in KC.

Craqhead
10-07-2007, 10:37 AM
Tony G the best damn TE too eva play the game >> . << (thats a period) And he will be for years too come. But like all things eventually there will be someone too come along and take that title from him.

milkman
10-07-2007, 10:40 AM
Tony G the best damn TE too eva play the game

Sorry, but no, he's not.

BCD
10-07-2007, 10:47 AM
Imagine Tony's numbers if he spent a career with John Elway instead of Bono, Grbac, Huard....Hey, wait a minute. Huard is the greatest ever. Just ask Goat and Hoot...
:)

BCD
10-07-2007, 10:49 AM
Sorry, but no, he's not.Who is, then? I don't measure a great player by championships. Thoes are won by teams.

Deberg_1990
10-07-2007, 10:49 AM
Tony G the best damn TE too eva play the game

Hes definately top 3-5. But hes not the best of all time.

milkman
10-07-2007, 10:51 AM
Who is, then? I don't measure a great player by championships. Thoes are won by teams.

Winslow

BCD
10-07-2007, 10:58 AM
WinslowWinslow played in five Pro Bowls, was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1995, and the College Football Hall of Fame in 2002. In his nine NFL seasons, Winslow caught 541 passes for 6,741 yards and 45 touchdowns. Kellen was a consensus All-Pro in 1980, 1981, and 1982. He is also a member of the NFL's 75th Anniversary All-Time Team. His jersey has not, as yet, been retired by the San Diego Chargers and his #80 is currently worn by wide receiver Malcolm Floyd. Winslow is currently working as a college football announcer with Fox Sports Net. One of the all-time greats, no doubt. I disagree he is the GREATEST of all time.

BCD
10-07-2007, 10:59 AM
Hes definately top 3-5. But hes not the best of all time.Who do you think is the greatest?

BCD
10-07-2007, 11:39 AM
WinslowHe also had Fouts throwing to him.