View Full Version : Hey Cody, How bout dem Lakerz?????
06-06-2001, 11:21 PM
06-06-2001, 11:28 PM
Thats sorta weak JP..I know you are a Jazz fan though so I understand.....
06-06-2001, 11:31 PM
Did I come on the BB and predict the Jazz to win it all?
You must be mad at me because of my anti-Holmy remarks on another thread.
Joe Seahawk fan:D
06-06-2001, 11:32 PM
I have to say what little I saw was sort of interesting, of course I thought they made diving in with your shoulder illegal, but I guess some rules only count for some players...
06-06-2001, 11:33 PM
:eek: HELLUVA GAME!!! :eek:
That was well worth watching...glad the Sixers take it, I'd like a team I respect to win the NBA's big dance this year. Don't like the Lakers ever since Shaq left my team Orlando...that a$$:mad: Still wish we had Penny though, I miss that guy...:( .......
06-06-2001, 11:41 PM
Living in southern California and not being a Lakers fan I was glad to see Alan Iverson take them apart. Now maybe the Sixers will get a little bit of respect.
06-06-2001, 11:43 PM
Calling out Cody like that? you are cold :) (sarcasm on)
BTW..I would be glad to see Philly upset the mighty Lakers...Highly doubtful though...
I missed the anti Holmy remarks...I will search .....Joe
The Bad Guy
06-06-2001, 11:44 PM
It takes a lot of guts to mock a Laker fan when your Jazz have made a history of choking.
When you find a real team, let me know. I'd be interested to hear what you have to say then.
Speaking of choking, how did that Mavericks win in game 5 feel?
Probably the same as the rest of the Jazz playoff appearances. It had a choking effect.
06-06-2001, 11:55 PM
Good point Frank...A Jazz fan calling out a Laker fan and Laughing in his face after they suffered their first post-season loss...In the FINALS..
Ironic indeed...Sorry Johny, but..You sorta set yourself up for some good ole Jazz bashing....:)
06-06-2001, 11:56 PM
I gotta tell ya, even though I think the Lakers take it in 6, Philly won me over in the Milwaukee series. I like that team, I like Allen Iversen, and Larry Brown kicks ***. Go Philly...
06-07-2001, 12:10 AM
It was your smaq that was really weak.
Being a Lakers fan I'll just take my championship when it gets here whether in 5, 6, or 7. That will make how many total Championships for the Lakers vs. how many for the Jazz and that oaf Karl MORON.
What would that ratio be.
Oh yeah since they have zero that would make the ratio inifinite.
To infinity and beyond - Buzz Lightyear
06-07-2001, 12:30 AM
True that. Hell, I'm a Warriors fan, and even we have more championships than the Jazz. 'Nuff said...
06-07-2001, 12:39 AM
You obviously haven't been paying attention to my signature line these past 3-4 weeks.
If the NBA play-offs were like the Super Bowl then you would have something to crow about.
Last time I checked it was a best out of 7.
BTW: My Sixers buddy scored 3rd row seats on the floor for Game #2. The bastard screwed me out of his extra seat after promising it to me IF the Sixers/Lakers metin the Finals.
He gave it to a Philly buddy of his. Not to worry, I've NOW got guilt working on my side and I plan on snagging Game #6!!!!
06-07-2001, 01:53 AM
I have my money on Philly for this one, they have the young talent, and something you don't see on the Lakers....heart, the Lakers are all Ego trippin....big headed....cocky guys who don't even get along. Philly has chemistry and heart, Iverson may be cocky, but he does have heart, unlike Kobe. Mutumbo has a heart.....Shaq, pretends to. 76ers in 7.
06-07-2001, 08:47 AM
I shouldn't have laughed at you because of what the Lakers didn't get done. I was just trying to fun with ya since you are so sold on the Lakers.
As for the rest of you:
I never claimed that the Jazz were the best team in the NBA. I stick by my favorites: Chiefs, Jazz, Orioles, come hell or high water. Too bad I can't say the same for some of you.
Loyal even to losing teams (BTW, the Jazz are NOT losers)
The Bad Guy
06-07-2001, 09:34 AM
If this was a slam on me claiming I'm a bandwagon Laker fan, then I want to inform you that you are wrong.
I took an immediate liking to the Lakers when I was 4 years old. My mom bought me a small Magic Johnson jersey, and even got me my own hoop with Magics name all over it.
From that point on, I loved Magic Johnson and everything about the Lakers.
I have stuck with them since I was 4, or way back in 1984. Granted I wasn't a big fan until I was around 9 or 10, but I still never hoped on the Lakers bandwagon just because they had Shaq or Kobe. I was a diehard fan during the Van Exel days when they missed the playoffs and all the Cedric Ceballos vanishing acts.
I also stick with my team regardless of win, lose or draw. But I also don't slam another team that is obviously superior over mine.
06-07-2001, 10:42 AM
I have been a fan of the Chiefs since 64 even during the darkest times
Became a Lakers fan when Wilt joined Jerry Westand have been one ever since
Was a Royals fan from day one but pretty much hate baseball after that last strike (Players union can kiss my ***)
So what is this about a bandwagon fan?
06-07-2001, 10:57 AM
They lose 1 game and they don't have any heart.:confused: You are going to see how much heart this team has. Lakers WILL win this series, there is no doubt.
Waiting for Shaq to break Mutumbo in two.
06-07-2001, 11:16 AM
Per my comments on loyalty:
If the shoe fits, wear it. If not, eat the meat and spit out the gristle.
You know who you are. And somebody below suggested I switch my team or something like that. That's what got my dander up. I was taught that you dance with the one that brought ya. Some of you guys need to belly up with a Cubs fan and learn about team loyalty.
BTW, when I was in my mother's womb, she brought me to Arrowhead Sta...nah, let's not go there :p ....
Looking for his E.J. Holub pablum spoon in the attic...
06-07-2001, 04:50 PM
BIG DADDY finds it amusing that everyone was dogging AI when he did his rap sh!t and was calling him a hoodlum. Now there is all these 76er fans. If you ask me the bandwagon fans are on that side of the equasion.
keg in kc
06-07-2001, 04:59 PM
Now this is classic, ahahahaah!!!
Had the Lakers won, there would have been a post on here within 30 seconds talking about how great the they are and how they've won 20 games in a row and how they'll never lose to a pathetic team like Philly and how they shouldn't even bother playing and just give them the d@mn trophy already.
But (GASP!) the Lakers get beaten and someone decides to come on and laugh about it and BANG! Watch out! Laker fans on the rampage!
Now, I will say that if I'm rooting for anyone, it's Philly. Not because I like them or dislike the Lakers. I don't care an iota for the NBA to be honest but I always root for the underdog, unless, of course, my team is playing. But I have no NBA team, so I guess I root for Philly. I turned on last night's game about halfway throught the third quarter and actually watched until the end, although I did channel-surf a bit. Hey, it's probably a good thing the Sixers won: it makes the series more interesting. People like me, who don't normally watch, might actually turn it on again.
So, Laker fans, and you know who you are, take your medicine like a man, just grin and bear it. You know you'd be on here gloating like the proverbial cock of the walk if you'd won last night. Besides, tomorrow's a new day and you're still the favorite anyway. ;)
GO SIXERS! :D
06-07-2001, 05:00 PM
I am not a bandwagon fan of the Sixers, I just HATE the LAKERS:D
06-07-2001, 05:25 PM
Not a huge fan of basketball anymore, was while back, but I guess I just lost the time to watch games when I dedicated most of my free time to soccer. Bigdaddy said that all the people on here rooting for the 6ers are bandwagoners, no, just don't like the cocky Lakers, and I know Iverson got game. As for the comment directed towards me about Lakers losing one game and not having any heart, I never thought they had heart, winning....losing, what not and what have ya.
06-07-2001, 06:54 PM
Whoa, whoa whoa...back the truck up fellas, the only reason I didn't log on (I didn't even see the game, I had to study for an exam) was that I had to study and I didn't hear about the game until 1am in the morning when I turned on ESPN and found out they lost:( . Thats why, Kyle, that I didn't log on to this BB last night, I had to study for an exam, that I passed!:D yes!
And Proctor, the Lakers have won Championships...what has Utah done?:D so..."hahahahahahaha"
Besides, the Lakers are going to win it in 6. The league has notified the Lakers to not kick their tails...yet. The league wants some ratings after they found out that this series isn't going to be a "must see" series because of the mismatch. Conspiracy? Yes. Could it be true? Course.
Now, people will talking about "hey, the Lakers lost" "really, wow, I thought the Lakers were going to kill em, I'm gonna watch this series"
Its all business.
its all apart of the game, The Bulls did it in 96 when they were up 3-0 against the Sonics. The Bulls dropped 2 straight to Seattle, and there was speculation that the Bulls were doing this on purpose to get more ratings (not me saying this, I seen this on MSNBC after the game). because the league informed them to, in SportsCenters words "take it easy on the Sonics these next two games..."
The only thing I don't like about the NBA anymore is that it, of somewhat, is being mixed with the WWF, aka fake.
keg in kc
06-07-2001, 06:59 PM
Cody, I was speaking generally, and not to you in particular. You hadn't even responded yet that I remember, anyway. It was the response from the Laker fans that I found so ironic/humorous. ;)
Good job passing that test.
06-07-2001, 07:06 PM
I didn't mean for the reply to sound vulgur or rude, I was just responding to your reply. Thats why I like talking (voices) better, because you can tell if someone is serious, mad, etc.
Sorry if you thought I was being rude of somewhat, buddy:D
I do think that the NBA is becoming more and more like the WWF, its starting to get all my nerves, and something tells me that this game was fixed.
paranoia? Maybe. But its an excuse;) :D Even though I didn't see the game, but my friend thought it was fixed.
keg in kc
06-07-2001, 07:10 PM
Nope, didn't think you were being rude. Just thought I'd clarify my own earlier statement.
06-07-2001, 07:53 PM
The Bulls throwing 2 games to the Sonics for ratings?
As if the Lakers going undefeated the entire play-offs wouldn't have garned ratings?
And how do the Lakers get labeled "cocky" and have "no heart" while the Sixers are "cocky" and "have heart?"
All this win did was pull in the average Joe for Games #2 and #3 hoping for Philly to put a scare into the Lakers by going up 2-1.
It's not like the Sixers pounded the Lakers this game. What will happen when Kobe shows up?
Matt Geiger going 5 of 7 for 10 points?
Christmas came in June for Philly fans....
keg in kc
06-07-2001, 08:03 PM
Injun, I'm much more likely to turn the finals on again now that the Lakers winning streak is over. Maybe that's just me.
06-07-2001, 08:33 PM
Most people had underestimated the 6ers, myself included. Got to give them their props, that is a team with heart and grit.
But now that the Lakers know that they're in a real series (finally), we'll all get to see the hearts of champions.
06-07-2001, 09:14 PM
This is just an aside-but something ocurred to me last night after watching Allen Iverson for four quarters of a game (about 3 and seven-eighths more quarters than I watch a regular-season game)-but does he bear a striking resemblance to the bad guy (I think his name was Howard Ganz, no relation to Frank) in 48 Hours? Subsitute the cornrow with slicked-back dirty blond hair and presto! Could have a 48 Hours III in our future.
06-07-2001, 09:38 PM
Congrats on your scholastic endeavors.
Condolences on your (ridiculous, Gen X) conspiritorial speculations.
06-07-2001, 10:57 PM
Thanks for the congrats.
Johnny and Cali,
I'm not the one saying that about the Bulls "taking it easy" on the Sonics for a couple games, I think its rediculous (I was kidding about the Lakers/Philly game being fixed, BTW. Poor attempt at humor, I guess:D) I heard that on MSNBC after the that game, but the in the news the next day, everything was hush, hush. Not a word about it. Oh well.
Like noted on this thread, its a 7 game series. Not a 1 game, win it all, Super Bowl.
LA in 5...hopefully:confused:
06-07-2001, 10:59 PM
Oh yea-48 Hours notwithstanding, watching that game last night, if the Sixers play like that over the course of the series, they may win it (by the way, an ESPN viewer poll said that 38.7% of those that responded had the Sixers winning it), but it may take them until early December to recover.
06-07-2001, 11:17 PM
I don't think Allen Iverson has respect for the game. Theres something about him, I don't know, he just seems like a punk.
I could be wrong though, because I do not follow the Allen or the 76ers, my opinion is based soley on my "first" impression of him when I see how he acts. And to me, he acts kind of like a punk.
Is this guy actually a good guy, or is he a punk?
06-07-2001, 11:56 PM
He's as good a guy as Kobe "My Team" Bryant.
06-08-2001, 12:18 AM
38.7% have the 76ers beating the Lakers after one game?
Poor East Coast media.....
Want to know how biased it is?
Just listen to Marv "Mr. Knick" Albert describe the game;
"Iverson pulls up for 3...... YES!!!!!!!"
"Shaq in the lane.... SHAQUILLE O'NEAL with a huge dunk!"
Albert says "YES!!!" for the East and just names the players on the West.
He was just as bad as Dick "Mr. Celtic" Stockton in the 80s on CBS.
But us Cali's are use to listening to that weak "Beat LA" chant.
Dynasties have a way of creating such hatred...
06-08-2001, 12:20 AM
Corn rows and tatoos make you no more of a punk than dropping nearly 50 on the Fakers at home does. What's not to love about this guy's game? He's a great role model for those of us under six feet who have a passion for the game. If the Lakers can come out with a tenth of the heart that AI plays with every night, they should dominate these finals.
06-08-2001, 12:39 AM
I'm just curious on this one thought..
The Lakers reel off an incredible 19 game winning streak that included sweeping the Western Conference. Every one of the teams they swept was sporting 50 + wins.
They were down by 15 points in the 3rd quarter in Game #1 to Philly and stormed back to force an overtime. They were even up by 5 points with 2:30 to go before losing it in the final minute.
So they lose for the first time since April 1st and NOW they are a team with "NO HEART?"
Do you guys make this stuff up or are you just parroting the media bandwagon?
Originality works if you give it a try....
06-08-2001, 01:10 AM
At college today my friend told me that at one time the Lakers were up 22-5, what happened?
didn't see the game
06-08-2001, 09:12 AM
AI and turnovers. Let them right back in, it sucked.:mad:
06-08-2001, 10:12 AM
There was also a very controversial call when the Lakers were up by 5 and had the ball in OT. They called a foul on Horry who had not done anything but get shoved and that gave the ball the the 76ers. AI followed up witha 3 pointer. That was a VERY bad call that could have quite simply changed the game.
06-08-2001, 10:15 AM
I expect (hope) the Sixers to come out a little flat tonight. They've already accomplished more than most people expected.
I also expect Kobe to play more like Kobe.
Also, if I were Phil Jackson, Lue would be starting in place of no-show Fisher.
06-08-2001, 10:19 AM
Scoreboard Big Daddy, scoreboard.
If Shaq hits his throws they win, he didn't and they lost.
Let's not blame it on the Refs. Thats just sour grapes.
all this conspiracy and bad calls by the refs stuff is ludicrous. I mean, we could say that Shaq gets away with offensive fouls practically every time down. His backing into a stationary defender should be a charge but, they don't call very many fouls on the superstars in the NBA. Anyway, nice job and a gritty effort by the 76ers. Al has plenty of heart or he wouldn't have all the scores, steals, assists, etc. that he gets. Tyrone Lue seemed to shut him down but I wonder if he just wasn't getting tired. He said after the game that Lue was holding him every time. IMO, Lue just got into his head.....not to mention the fact that he's just as quick as Iverson. I would like to see Philly win the title but, that's not likely. Phil Jackson is a future hall of fame coach and he will get his team back into it. Hell, if it wasn't for Phil, the Lakers might not have even made the playoffs. He had a similar situation that he took care of in Chicago. Anyway, Philly seems to know how to play in these close games and they might take it to 7 games.
Damn, what happened to the good ole days when the Jazz would sweep the Lakers in the playoffs? To all you Jazz bashers, They did go to the Finals 2 years in a row in 96 &97. That's not too shabby. They just ran into a dynasty in the Chicago Bulls that nobody would've been able to beat when MJ was there.
06-08-2001, 10:44 AM
No excuses, the 76ers should never have been anywhere near the Lakers so the Lakers deserved to lose. I was just recapping what had happened for Cody.
BTW, that was a VERY BAD call is what all the supposed experts were talking about last night.
06-08-2001, 07:28 PM
Yes that call against Horry was a bad call, but the previous time down the court, he should have been Teed up for his unsportsman like conduct, when he drew a fist as if to punch Motumbo.
I'm not going to blame the refs. I think they called the game evenly and fairly.
My take on the reason for the Lakers loss. when the game got underway, they had all this energy to expend from the long layoff, and shot out to an early lead, but by about the 6 min. mark, they lost their legs, also due to the long layoff. It took them to half time to get back into it.
Philly is not going to just go away. The Lakers will have to play with heart to win this series, and tonight the Laker heart will match the heart that Philly has shown throughout these playoffs.
06-08-2001, 08:18 PM
To me, basketball just doesn't seem like a big deal anymore. It's the FINALS, and not much hoopla. Ever since Jordan left, it's like fans don't care. Football is going down a similar road, now that elway and Marino are gone. In fact , I think that sports in general is getting way overrated, and its athletes way overpaid. Unless there is some "superstar", fans are bored. And I don't blame them. Every year it's more about the money and the players than the game.
What the hell is happening to us? The US? Hell, Anna doesn't have to win, because she looks good? That is WEAK.
Honestly, how high does the bar go for salaries? 20 mill? 30?
Philly in 7! ;)
06-09-2001, 07:39 PM
I taped the game last night due to a previous engagement with the girlfriend. (It was VERY tough call but it was only Game #2 so I bit my lip and pushed the record button)
For a lark, I brought a pen and paper to notate the number of times Marv and Collins spewed the following phrases;
"This Philly team has heart"
"This Philly team just won't go away"
"You have to admire this 76ers team."
"YES!!!" (For a Sixers basket)
"YES!!!" (For a Lakers basket)
Comments about 76ers players being injured.
Comments about Lakers being tested under adversity.
# of times the anti-Lakers contingent sported woodies THINKING the 76ers will actually beat LA in a 7 game series?
6,000 and counting......... at least until the Lakers slap the 76ers in Game #3 tomorrow.
06-09-2001, 07:48 PM
I have to say, this is some of the worst coverage I have ever seen. I thought the officiating was a D and the coverage had to be an F. I cannot stand Jim Grey either. I would love to strangle that little rodent.:eek:
06-09-2001, 08:01 PM
I just think Marv is trying to schmooze the East Coast fans again after his tawdry little panty raid a few years back.
It is bad enough the man continues to sport that rug on his dome but to keep ejaculating over this Sixers team is pathetic.
These so called "injuries" are chicken scratches compared to what the NHL players go through.
Have you ever seen how big one of your hairs are? BUT Eric Snow has "a FRACTURED ankle!!"
Mckie's not only has a problem with his ankle but NOW his hammy is causing him problems? It sure affects his defense of Kobe doesn't it? And how about those 3s he keeps knocking down?
And then there is poor, poor Dikembe and that broken finger. It doesn't seem to affect him when he packs Kobe and any other Lakers who drives the lane for a monster dunk does it?
Of course Iverson had his injuries telestrated last night for everyone to see. Hell, if he was 50% healthy he'd average 82 points a game instead of his 35-40, right?
The ONLY man truly injured is George Lynch because, get this now, he doesn't suit up!!!!
So when the Lakers take this "gutty, little team with the huge hearts" down in 6, it will be discounted because the Sixers were "hurting".
06-09-2001, 08:18 PM
I loved it when Fisher dunked on Iverson last night!!!! Did anyone else see that???!!!!!!!
that was classic!!!!:D
06-09-2001, 08:22 PM
I loved it when Fish drained that back-breaking 3 after the Sixers collapsed on the Big Fella late in the 4th..
That was almost as gratifying as when Fish kept raking Iverson faces with his hands the entire night....
06-09-2001, 08:26 PM
Did you see Iverson clapping at the end of the game last night? Why? Was he in denial or something?
was confused and doesn't like Iverson, and the more and more I see him ACT the more I don't like him, he has no respect for no body, IMO
06-09-2001, 08:45 PM
If you really like the NBA then sign up for League Pass next season (requires a DirectTV set up).
Anyways, you get up to 8 games a night and during the play-offs they take you right to the post-game press conferences as they are happening. Talk about stupid questions from reporters!!!
All ESPN shows are the sound bites but with nba.com you get the entire thing.
Iverson was clapping as a gesture to his teammates that they put on a great effort and should be proud. His jaw-boning with Kobe was Game #3 pre-game smack.
Larry Brown even pulled this "I had my Summer League team out their in the 3rd quarter and they were holding their own" smack. He moaned about Allen not getting to the FT line yada, yada.
The stupid questions for each player focused on "What was going on between Kobe and Iverson at the end of the game?"
Phil Jackson was getting irritated at the moderator as this guy controls the # of questions each has to answer. The guy would say "2 more questions" but after two he said "1 more question".
So Phil turns to the guy and starts getting in his face about his ability to count to 2 and what was his purpose being a moderator if he couldn't count to two.
Iverson continues to pimp his two small girls whenever he does these interviews. As if wearing a "G" (Gangsta) hat and his shades is going to be overlooked?
06-09-2001, 10:12 PM
I don't know Cody.
I think your perception of Iverson is colored by his tats, and the way he dresses off court. He does look like he's in the hood.
But he gives the game 100% effort, 100% of the time. I still think he's somewhat overrated (His shooting % for the season was the lowest for an MVP since '57 [Bob Cousy]) but he leaves it all out on the floor. How can you not respect that?
06-09-2001, 11:25 PM
I think it would be a heck of a lot easier to respect Iverson if the media didn't keep pimping the guy. Just because he is 6 feet tall doesn't mean Shaq or Kobe aren't leaving it on the floor each night.
Allen created this gangsta image all by himself. Look at his one commercial he has running? Contrast that with the numerous commercials featuring Kobe.
I enjoy watching the guy play basketball. It's too bad I won't appreciate until after this series.
06-09-2001, 11:31 PM
I agree with what you're saying Injun.
I am not a fan of Iverson, or of the way he looks, but I think that Cody is basing his opinion on appearence, and that's a mistake, IMO.
People don't always fit into the box that we sometimes want to put them in.
06-10-2001, 12:25 AM
No, no, no, no, Milkman.
I am NOT basing my opinion on AI by his looks, go back down to my last reply, it says "ACT" and the reason why I said "ACT" was to avoid what your saying right now about how I'm basing my opinion on his looks, and yada yada. I could care less if the guy wore really nice clothes, if his attitude is the same as it is now, then I'm still not going to be big fan of the guys.
my point is that I'm not judging him by his "tats", but by his attitude. A bad one, at that, IMO.
06-10-2001, 12:40 AM
BTW, I think he's overrated too. And I'm tired of the media "super sizing" him up. The guy's got game, but not as much as the media hypes it up to be, IMO.
06-10-2001, 05:21 PM
I just don't see any anything at this point that strikes me as a display of bad attitude.
Last season, and during the offseason, I would have agreed. But, IMHO, the controversies that surrounded him during last offseason have helped him to grow as a person and a player. He's working with his coach, giving his teammates respect, providing leadership, and playing with competitive fire, desire and heart.
Where's the 'tude?
06-11-2001, 01:17 AM
Well I am just thrilled with the Lakers 2nd victory, one more on Wednesday and this series is really just history. Right now the refrigerator door is starting to close and the milk is starting to get cooled off.
06-11-2001, 01:34 AM
I feel the V tonight made Philly history. They had their shots in game 2, but they couldn't get it done. Tonight was a must win. They were at home, Shaq and Fisher both fouled out, they are within 1, and they still couldn't get it done. It is over.
Robert Horry never ceases to amaze me when it comes to clutch shots in the finals...
06-11-2001, 05:44 AM
How about that slam dunk by Horry? I can't remember the last time he took it to the rim with that kind of authority.
The refrigerator door ain't closing just yet. The 6ers won't give up.
The Lakers must continue to play with the defensive intensity they have been playing with, or else the milk could get sour, and the butter soft.
06-11-2001, 09:10 AM
Out of the mouth of babes......
Last night my son came up to my room and announced....
"Mom!! The Fakers won again!!!!!" He wasn't trying to be funny, just a little confused.
06-11-2001, 10:59 AM
The Sixer's had a nice run, but I think we saw which team has "heart".
It wouldn't suprise me to see L.A. finish this up Sunday.
06-11-2001, 02:52 PM
That slam by Horry was awesome. Right over Mutombo's flopping arse. Two more games to go. I sure hope none of the Lakers slip on the floor with all of the crying going on out there. The Lakers have truly being a class act throughout this series.
Getting ready to celebrate.
06-11-2001, 03:50 PM
The only thing I hate is that to enjoy the game I have to turn off the sound. I tried the radio but the coverage was just as slanted towards Philly and the announcers could not keep up with the action.
You would think the radio announcer would actually have to be better than the TV announcers at play by play, but they definitely are not. Part of the problem is all their use of superlatives, by the time they run off the superlatives the ball has changed hands three or four times.
Oh well, I hope the NBA is paying attention for next year. Cover the action, the game will tell its own story.
06-11-2001, 04:58 PM
Did anyone hear what Kobe said after the game about Philly and their heart? When asked about something concerning Phillys heart he said, kind of impatiently, "We don't care if they have heart, we could give a damn about that, were out there to beat them, enough of this heart crap" or something like that.
I don't know what to make of those comments, but I thought (seeing it happen live) it was funny! He realized that the media keeps PRing the Sixers like beating a dead horse!
Lakers in 5...
06-11-2001, 05:36 PM
A couple good quotes:
Bryant said: "As a unit, we really don't care. I mean, it's good for everybody else to hear that. I think the city of Philadelphia likes to hear that. I think it's very inspirational. For us, we don't [care]. We just want to beat you"
"I didn't think the best defensive player in the game would be flopping like that," O'Neal said of Mutombo, who was voted the league's defensive award this season. "It's a shame that the referees buy into that. I wish he'd stand up and play me like a man instead of flopping and crying every time I back him down. It's just a shame."
And just to make sure everyone knew his words were calculated to deliver a message, O'Neal added, "And you can quote me on that. And underline it three times."
O'Neal also wanted to make sure everyone knew he felt the behavior was one-sided.
"We have a very tough team," he said. "We play hard, we play good, clean basketball, we play good defense. There's no floppers on our team."
06-11-2001, 05:50 PM
I just think that they are getting tired of hearing how much heart the other team has when they are beating them. Not only are they beating them but they are not whineing and crying about the officiating either and the 6ers have turned into huge flopping crybabies. (with heart though) It's not like they don't have their own injuries. Everyone is hurting come this time of year. But they are not crying about that either. To be fair to the 6ers they have not been using them for an excuse. The one sided announcers sure are though.
Ready for the Lakers to shut the door.
06-11-2001, 06:16 PM
The 76ers have not complained but the replay's clearly show that the Laker's do get the benefit of the questionable calls from the referee's. The basket given to the Laker's after the 24 second clock expired in game 3 was a big call in a close game. I do feel it may have changed the out come of the game.
06-11-2001, 08:07 PM
In the NBA Finals, almost everyone gets the benefit of questionable calls.
On that slam, Motoumbo damn near took Horry's head off. No foul call.
Every time Kobe took it to the hole, Motoumbo fouled him, especially when Kobe was going in for the slam dunk, and Motoumbo got him on the arm, just above the elbow.
You think the officials don't see that?
The only player that got anything from the refs is Iverson. Calling fouls on Fisher, even on plays when there clearly wasn't any contact.
And Philly is crying? Give me a break.
When this series is over the 6ers will be exposed as pretenders by these "Fakers", just like the Blazers, Kings and Spurs before them.
06-11-2001, 08:42 PM
I thought Marv covered the Knicks and Collins is the head coach of the Wizards....
Could've fooled me!!!!
These two knuckleheads are making a mockery of this Finals with their bias towards the Sixers. The ENTIRE game they were plotting strategy on how the Sixers "must have a stop here" OR "if they can get this basket they'll be right back in this thing".
Want to talk about what is "Fake"?
It's these injuries the 76ers have!!! PUULLEEZEE!!!
How does Aaron McKie play Kobe straght up with a busted ankle and a jammed thumb? (Which NBC showed on replay at least 5 times).
How is Eric Snow able to drive to the hole with a "fractured ankle"?
And bringing up that Shaq basket at the end of the game to create the thought that the Lakers got away with something.
My freaking backside!! The Lakers lead the game since 28-27 early in the second quarter. They were an average of 8-10 points ahead until the final frantic minutes after Shaq picked up his 6th.
4 offensive fouls on Shaq IN THE SECOND HALF????????
But leave it to the New Basketball Collusion commentators to pull up that WEAK replay about Shaq's basket IN THE FIRST HALF to lessen the Lakers accomplishments last night.
This anti-Laker slant has dampened my apprecation for how tough the Sixers are playing the Lakers. Why not let the viewers enjoy the games for what they are and not try to feed us what they want to see happen.
06-11-2001, 08:49 PM
Being both a Chief fan and a Laker fan, like you, I've grown accustomed to the media bias against the teams I root for.
But every now and then, I just want to reach through the TV screen, shake these A-Holes and tell them to shut the F up.
06-11-2001, 09:05 PM
First we had to endure Dick "Mr. Celtic" Stockton but these two take the cake.
I haven't seen this much barking by a team, well since the Bucks got it doggy-style the series before.
But I like to see Shaq-Daddy getting pissed. It makes him that much better.
Did you catch the replay on Horry's shot with Iverson's pained look as he walked towards the bench for the TO? The networks broke it up with two different shots but if you taped this game, rewind it and look towards the top of the screen.
Coulda sworn I saw his "heart" being cut out and it lying there on the hardwood.
Horry is just money in the 4th. He does some really stupid things but the man nads up when it counts.
I still call him "Stupid Horry" out of habit after watching him make so many boneheaded fouls (Game #1) and poor passes.
But the man won this game and surgically removed the "guts" from this 76ers team. His new name?
06-11-2001, 11:33 PM
"Want to talk about what is "Fake"?
It's these injuries the 76ers have!!! PUULLEEZEE!!!"
How does Aaron McKie play Kobe straght up with a busted ankle and a jammed thumb? (Which NBC showed on replay at least 5 times)."
First off, Saying the injuries are fake is nothing but stupid. Secondly, Aaron doesn't have a "busted ankle" he has a stress fracture and yes, he jammed his thumb... so what, he can't play with a jammed thumb? And they didn't " show it on replay at least 5 times". Didn't you say you taped it? What are you smoking?
The Sixers are not paradeing their injuries to the press. They're actually sick of talking about it. In every series the media tries to find their slant. Something they can write about, and that's the one they've chosen to amplify. Are the Sixers beat up? Hell yes. You missed the fact that Aaron has a torn rotator cuff and will have surgery when the series is over. Snow doesn't have a "fractured ankle" like you said, he has a high ankle sprain and a fractured foot and he's playing like sh#t. And your busting on Lynch because he's sitting out with a broken leg? WTF's up with that?
You're so sick of hearing about the Sixers heart because you're not used to seeing any. The Sixers have a TON of heart. The Lakers are the better team out there but NEVER in this series will you see Philly lay down the way the weak a$$ teams did in the Lakers previous series. They will play this right to the end.
BTW, The only people I see crying and whining about fouls are you guys on this board... Oh ya, and Shaq after game 3.
06-12-2001, 06:38 AM
I tried to keep the officiating out of my posts. I've tried to give Philly the credit it deserves for their play. My posts regarding officiating have been in response to the people here rooting for the 6ers and claiming that the Lakers have gotten the benefit of bad calls, and that the Lakers are whining.
I'm here to tell you that is staright up bull.
And who's the guy that is always shown crying to the officials, claiming he's been fouled over and over again.
Is it Shaq? Is it Kobe?
No, it's the Answer, Iverson.
Clint in Wichita
06-12-2001, 08:46 AM
I'm not a fan of either team, but this much is obvious: The Lakers will win this series in 5 games. Possibly 6 if Philly can pull another game out of their arse.
Any team that can't finish off the Lakers with Shaq on the bench doesn't deserve to be called "the best".
06-12-2001, 11:05 AM
If the only people you see complaining about the officiating are on this board then you are obviously not watching the games. If the 6ers cried anymore they would have to take an official timeout every 5 minutes to dry the floor. On the other hand the Lakers haven't complained at all, especially Bryant who probably should. I personally liked ESPNs take on it. " And there goes Iverson shoving Fischer and taking the shot." For a guy who cries the entire game about the officiating the little rodent sure pushes off more than anyone I have ever seen.
It just doesn't matter. The Lakers can beat the the 6ers and the officials. No complaints here.
06-12-2001, 12:04 PM
YOU GOTTA LOVE CROCE FOR THIS THOUGH:
Pat Croce wasn't impressed.
Not even the former president could get into the private box of the Philadelphia 76er owner for Game 3 of the NBA Finals.
"I don't have any room," Croce said. "No way."
Croce also turned down a request from Clinton to sit courtside in the second half.
"I'm not moving any of my season ticket-holders," Croce said.
Another luxury suite was made available for Clinton and his party of about 50.
"The only people in my box are family and friends," Croce said. "We get about 25 people in there. And I rotate so I get my biker friends in there, my karate dudes, my shore [presumably the Jersey shore] dudes.
"You never know, one of my biker friends might try to welcome the president and get shot by the Secret Service."
Did Croce hesitate about snubbing Clinton?
"I don't care," Croce said. "He never called when we were losing. In my box, I only want people who support us."
So Croce, who never has met Clinton, didn't care about shaking his hand?
"I don't think he wants to shake my hand," Croce said. "He just wants good seats."
Would Croce, who wouldn't reveal his party affiliation, have the same attitude if President Bush had called?
"I don't answer hypothetical questions," Croce replied.
At least Croce can't accuse Clinton of wasting his ticket.
After getting in the spirit by stopping off for a cheesesteak sandwich while en route to First Union Center, Clinton arrived before the opening tipoff and stayed past the final buzzer.
And it was clear he paid attention.
He allowed a reporter to briefly join his Secret Service escort out the door so that he could analyze the game.
"The key was Robert Horry," Clinton said. "You've got to give it to him. He played a great game and he hit those two big three-pointers. And Kobe Bryant had a great first half."
So is Clinton a 76er fan or a Laker fan?
That much he wouldn't reveal.
Clint in Wichita
06-12-2001, 12:53 PM
He'd probably refuse Bush tickets right now.
06-12-2001, 04:32 PM
Headline from the June 11 Edition of the Manhattan (KS) Mercury:
Lakers defy odds to hang on for 96-91 win
I thought they were the favorites? Now you know why I call it the Manhattan Misprint. And they rarely have ANY Chiefs coverage.
06-12-2001, 08:04 PM
I'm an avid NBA fan as well as a die-hard Lakers follower. What the 76ers are doing against the Lakers is incredible to watch.
The Sixers play the entire 24 seconds on defense and contest just about everything the Lakers throw up there. This is the way the game is meant to be played.
My appreciation gets severely diluted when the media starts slating the games. Now, instead of enjoying the play I find myself disliking the 76ers which is hypocritical because the media have painted the Lakers as "Golaith" and the Sixers as "David"
None of the Sixers are complaining about their injuries (at least I don't hear them saying anything) but NBC has them hooked up to I.V.s with a priest hovering nearby whispering last rights.
Iverson is playing to the refs that he is getting held and this has resulted in ticky-tack fouls being called 25 feet from the basket. In Tha Hood, a player starts barking like that and he gets a forearm shiver to his grill.
Yet, Iverson is "fearless" when he takes it to the hoop. If the man cannot shake Tyronn Lou and Fisher and needs the help of the zebras then where is his heart?
Shut your yaps and play ball. If the refs bail you out on a tough drive to the hole then thank them for the call.
If Philly wants to make this a street brawl then play by the rules of the street.
As Kobe put it: "We don't care about who has heart and all that stuff. We just want to beat you."
06-12-2001, 10:09 PM
Well said, Cali.
06-13-2001, 01:46 AM
I tried to keep the officiating out of my posts. My posts regarding officiating have been in response to the people here rooting for the 6ers and claiming that the Lakers have gotten the benefit of bad calls, and that the Lakers are whining.
Your posts have been honorable and clean for the most part. You lost it a bit with post #74 though. But the rest of your statement doesn't fit this thread. I've been gone for a week and read this thread through yesterday... Here's what you'll find...
Post #3 from a nuetral poster. Slight complaint but legitimate.
Post #45 same take as above but only in response to numerous posts by Lakers fans complaining... That's it.
But if you read this thread through you will find a minimum of 30 posts by Lakers fans either crying about the Sixers play, the biased refs or the homer announcers. Add another 4 or 5 for conspiracy theories... Serious... check it yourself my friend and feel free to tell me if I'm wrong.
06-13-2001, 02:14 AM
You say "the 6ers" but the only guy you mention is Iverson. What other 6ers are "crying" to the refs? Iverson campaigns for his calls. I don't like the way he does it but getting to the line is a big part of his game. It's the way he does it I don't like. He's an emotional player and he displays that in his campaigns. But if you think the Lakers arn't lobbying for their calls to the refs during breaks and time outs and their more suttle pleads during the game or Coby's patented floor slide after the perimeter shot then it's you who is obviously not watching the games.
I personally liked ESPNs take on it. " And there goes Iverson shoving Fischer and taking the shot."
Sorry but ESPN didn't say that. They said "creating space" big difference.;)
It just doesn't matter. The Lakers can beat the the 6ers B]and the officials[/B] . No complaints here.
Hmmmm... Sorta sounds like a complaint to me.:cool:
06-13-2001, 04:16 AM
Get ready for more heart stories when George Lynch and his fractured foot suits up tonight... :D
06-13-2001, 07:49 AM
#74 was a direct response to Rick Stephens, who suggested that the replays show that the Lakers get the benefit of questionable calls. I gave specific incidents where that clearly is not the case.
As a 6er fan, you could point out the same to show that the Lakers are benefiting from questionable calls.
That would prove what I said. In the NBA finals, both teams get the benefit of questionable calls.
I also mentioned Iverson's crying, which he is doing a lot of.
I respect his game. Heck I could even be a fan of his game, if he would just shut the hell up, and stop crying.
I haven't seen this much crying since Bill Lambeir.
06-13-2001, 09:53 AM
I've really had only two instances where the officiating is questionable in this series.
1 - The moving screen on Horry in Game #1 in OT. (Huge call)
2 - The difference on calls for Shaq at Staples vs. on the road.
Shaq plays the same way every single game and quite frankly could foul out by the first half on some of his moves. Conversely, the refs let him get away with it because he gets butchered on the offensive end.
Now his beef is to call it the same on both ends and don't go for the flopping. Mutumbo is not a weak player yet he has reverted to a Sabonis/Divac clone each time Shaq backs in. He realizes he cannot match up after the first game and so he now flops.
Brown is not sending anyone over to help out (smart move) because this would free up a shooter on the perimeter or worse, allow Kobe space to penetrate on a dish off.
So the Defensive Player of the Year is reduced to looking like a shopping cart getting hit by a Mack truck. (This is why I think the refs are letting him get away with those obvious hacks on all the Lakers attempting to dunk the ball.)
It is a check and balance system with the zebras.
Iverson may get the ticky-tack holds called but he loses crucial ones when driving to the hoop. (Have you noticed the lack of whistles in the lane?)
The keys to the Sixers car will always be with the Answer. Phil Jackson has realized this after the first half in Game #1. Allen has been harrassed ever since with Fish and Lou.
Philly has Hack-A-Shaq, the Lakers have two Questions for the Answer.
06-13-2001, 06:00 PM
Big games tonight. BIG DADDY can't wait to see boo hoos and crying. Kobe's going to go off tonight, 42 points.
There is blood in the water. Watch out.
06-14-2001, 12:23 AM
The refrigerator door is definitely closing, the butter is setting and the milk is getting cold.
This series is over the only thing left is for the refrigerator light to go out.
06-14-2001, 09:52 AM
"This series is in the refrigerator. The door is closed, the lights are out, the butter's getting hard, the eggs are coolin', and the jello is jigglin" (apologies to Chickie Baby)
- Looks like Croce's gonna have to scale Mt. Everest to inspire his team this Friday.
- Mutumbo played Shaq like a man last night. Props to him.
- Iverson has assumed the role of flopper. This is in addition to his role as a whining Aretha Franklin "we still don't get any R-E-S-P-E-C-T."
- Calling out Tyrone Hill. "Dude, there is a Finals going on!"
- Tyronn Lou and Derrick Fisher co-MVPs for getting into the head of Iverson this series. I never thought the MVP of the league would let that happen to him.
Sixers lead Trophy Finals 4-0 at this point.
Lakers hope to get just one this Friday for playing TEAM basketball.
Oh well Lakers fans, looks like Jerry West's record for # of shots taken in a Finals series gets erased by Iverson Friday.
With the way The Answer is shooting, I hope he shatters it!
06-14-2001, 10:09 AM
The Lakers came out last night and established their dominence.
Their defense, since game 1, has been suffocating.
Iverson's shooting in game 1 was the exception. His shooting in the rest of the series is closer to his norm, in light of the fact that defenses become more intense in the playoffs.
His overall playoff shooting percentage is probably hovering around 35% overall. In the Milwaukee series, until the 7th game, his % was at 29%.
He's an outstanding player, but anyone that throws up 35-40 shots a night is going to score points. That is why he is overrated, IMO.
How many points would Shaq or Kobe be scoring if thay put up that many shots?
06-14-2001, 10:38 AM
Did anybody catch all Iverson's crying in the post game interview. Cry me a river. "We don't get no respect out there" and I thought he had been talking about the media all this time:confused: "They decided who was going to win this series before we ever got here." Now he is the victim of an NBA conspiracy:rolleyes: "SO just sits in the paint all day without a 3 second violation, they let him do anything." Simply not true. Also gotta love that AI flop on the Derek Fischer steel, give me a break. The whole team was playing to get fouls the whole game. It must take a lot of heart to play like that.
With one more AI quote : Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
06-14-2001, 10:44 AM
After searching, I found Iverson's shooting % is at 38.6% for the playoffs. Compare that to Kobe's 47.4%, which player would you have on your team, shooting with the game on the line?
I'll take Kobe.
He hasn't had a graet series, but he is making big plays and clutch shots.
AI just keeps throwing the rock at the basket. Occassionally the rock hits it's mark.
06-14-2001, 04:11 PM
"Whole lotta Shaquille O'Neal," said Allen Iverson, also cheerful enough despite the circumstances. "That's all it was, whole lotta Shaquille O'Neal.
"Guy that big, sittin' in the middle of the lane, what can you do? Never moves out of position. Not one illegal defense call the whole series. But he's the most dominant on both ends of the court. He's just too big, too strong and when he's allowed to do whatever he wants to on the court, nobody can stop him.
"Never seen nothing this dominant. When you let him get away with stuff, he's like Wilt Chamberlain out there. Just too big and strong. . . .
Whu Whu whu Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Really doesn't have a problem with the b!tchen. Just given philly a hard time.
06-14-2001, 07:21 PM
How bout dem Lakers!!! Wheeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrssssssss Johnny :confused:
Just wanted to see the Lakers thread hit 100 ;)
06-14-2001, 07:24 PM
Any comments, since this is your thread?
Darn Big Daddy you beat me to it, same goal even!
06-14-2001, 08:11 PM
You guys pretty much said everything, this series is over.
Dynasty yall...is comin!!!!! the, the rock, the, the, the rock!
Like Redman would say... "Lets get dirty!!!!"
06-15-2001, 09:31 AM
Game #5 tonight.
I still think it is going back to LA as I stated originally.
Where's that Redskins fan that started this thread?
06-15-2001, 07:42 PM
I'd be pleasantly surprised to see it go any further. PHILLY was completely out of gas in game #4. A.I. was mortal, McGEE was a total non-factor and no one else stepped up. Bringing LYNCH of the bench was a mistake IMO. He had nothing to give. They will have to reach down for something that's bigger than they are in order to keep this going. :(
You asked the question about where some were getting the idea that the Lakers had no class. Well, you got your answer in the last 5 seconds of the game when Fox passed to Shaq for a dunk. The Lakers had the series won and they just couldn't pass up the opportunity to exhibit NO class with that last display of showmanship. They are a GREAT team no doubt, but they have much to learn about sportsmanship. That's why IMHO there will be an * when viewing them as truely great. A great team does NOT need to rub things in.
Just imagine how you would feel if you were watching some team whip our beloved Chiefs at ARROWHEAD and then score with 5 seconds left!
Answer it honestly and I bet you will understand what NO CLASS means! ;)
Congrats to your boys for winning the NBA Crown. Now if we could only SKIP baseball season and get on to FOOTBALL!
06-16-2001, 12:53 AM
The Lakers had one insignificant pass at the end of the game and they have "no class"?
How about Iverson blowing off the press after the game?
How about the incessant whining The Answer displayed the entire series about "no respect"?
Coulda sworn the 76ers won the Championship with the post-game (mortem?) show put on by NBC.
Forget that fact the Lakers won 23 of their last 24.
Forget the fact the Lakers went 15-1 in the play-offs.
Forget the fact the Lakers went 8-0 on the road.
Forget the fact they beat four teams with 50+ records to get the crown.
Forget the fact that this team will DOMINATE until 2010, which is what the NBA needs to gather ratings. (It got all you Laker-haters to watch didn't it?)
But alas, this team has no class because of a last second pass into the rim for the Diesel to throw it home.
Back-to-Back Laker haters.
Victory parade on Monday at Staples....
06-16-2001, 01:02 AM
I think that last pass went in, I agree Shaq jumped as if to dunk it but I believe the announcers said the lob dropped through.
If it was a dunk then lets look at it this way. I believe it was more of an in your face to the media and the announcers for all their hyperbole about the heart of the Sixers, the poor banged up Sixers, about Shaq getting away with everything.
Come on lets be real they were starting their celebration. Not one of them bad mouthed the Sixers in the post game and NBCs last shot was of two Lakers hugging Larry Brown in what appeared to be condolences.
Woo hoo what a great Championship, hopefully the second of many for this team.
I challenge you to find anyting that I've ever written to suggest that Philly had class! I NEVER said such a thing. I did say that the Lakers had NONE and I can give you many examples throughout the season if you'd like. Quit looking through your HOMER GLASSES! The Lakers are a great team for all those reasons that you mentioned and they are also CLASSLESS IMHO, but trying to get you to see that would be futile. Enjoy the win and the RIOTS!
Funny that when my Rockets won BACK - to - BACK CHAMPIONSHIPS they did it with CLASS and WITHOUT RIOTS!
06-16-2001, 10:55 AM
As if the Lakers were the first city to experience riots after a Championship?
That "riot" was limited to the Staples parking lot and if you are equating a bunch of drunk homies with the rest of the Lakers fans then you need to be a bit more educated.
Just like you throw out the ENTIRE play-off run by this Lakers team over one stupid last second pass by Fox.
But please give me your numerous examples of where the Lakers were classless this season.
Coming from your own Rockets homer glasses, this should be enlightening.
06-16-2001, 12:57 PM
Congrats to the Lakers and their supporters.
06-16-2001, 03:15 PM
Yahooooooooooooo!!!! Repeat baby! <IMG SRC="http://www.latimes.com/sports/reports/2001/nbaplay/shaq300_gf0am3ke.jpg";
Celebrated with a litlle scotch and a cigar :) In Phil Jackson style.
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