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Mecca
04-20-2009, 03:54 PM
TNA can't do it because they have Vince Russo writing their shows and they're more worried about "big names" and stroking egos than building their own stars, focusing on the WRESTLING, and pushing the right guys.

They're the new WCW...and that's not a good thing.

When WCW was in full swing no show featured more great wrestling than that company...

Their undercards were full of awesome. That was part of what made WCW a great hook, the NWO hooked casuals the great undercard hooked the hardcores.

chiefscafan
04-20-2009, 03:56 PM
the new WCW of the last two years before that when Bishoff was running the show they almost bankrupt the wwe

chiefscafan
04-20-2009, 03:57 PM
the wcw was able to create new superstars too which to be honest neither TNA or WWE are able to do that

Jerm
04-20-2009, 03:57 PM
When WCW was in full swing no show featured more great wrestling than that company...

Their undercards were full of awesome. That was part of what made WCW a great hook, the NWO hooked casuals the great undercard hooked the hardcores.

Agreed, that's when they were great.

TNA just eerily reminds me of the WCW when Russo was running wild with the New Blood vs. Millionaires crap, Goldberg turning heel, David Arquette winning the WCW Title, etc.

It's going downhill and FAST.

Mecca
04-20-2009, 03:57 PM
No one books like that now because WCW went under, now everyone books like it's WWE 1998 where the show focuses on 3 guys and you get 15 minutes of wrestling in a 2 hour show.

Mecca
04-20-2009, 03:58 PM
Agreed, that's when they were great.

TNA just eerily reminds me of the WCW when Russo was running wild with the New Blood vs. Millionaires crap, Goldberg turning heel, David Arquette winning the WCW Title, etc.

It's going downhill and FAST.

There is a huge list of little things TNA could do that would hook them a decent audience but they'll never do it because it's far to logical.

Jerm
04-20-2009, 04:01 PM
There is a huge list of little things TNA could do that would hook them a decent audience but they'll never do it because it's far to logical.

Agreed.

I really don't know why they don't try to mold their shows after a company like ROH. Let the guys go out there, put on crazy and awesome matches, and base the storylines off of the in ring action instead of vice versa.

Sadly, the TNA brass thinks the way to compete with the WWE is to bring in old, over the hill names and have kooky storylines.

Mecca
04-20-2009, 04:04 PM
Agreed.

I really don't know why they don't try to mold their shows after a company like ROH. Let the guys go out there, put on crazy and awesome matches, and base the storylines off of the in ring action instead of vice versa.

Sadly, the TNA brass thinks the way to compete with the WWE is to bring in old, over the hill names and have kooky storylines.

I don't think they should try to do that either that's to far to the other side. A pure wrestling program like that will not draw nationally it's a niche product. It can be part of your show but it can't be all your show is.

Reaper16
04-20-2009, 04:29 PM
I don't think they should try to do that either that's to far to the other side. A pure wrestling program like that will not draw nationally it's a niche product. It can be part of your show but it can't be all your show is.
Well, TNA doesn't draw nationally, either. At worst it would be a lateral move. ;)

Mecca
04-20-2009, 04:30 PM
Well, TNA doesn't draw nationally, either. At worst it would be a lateral move. ;)

TNA is really dumb...I don't think they understand how many people that ring turns off the minute they flip it on.

Also Samoa Joe for as nice a worker as he is, his look is a huge problem.

keg in kc
04-20-2009, 04:57 PM
Looks like Orton wins tonight, which wouldn't normally bode well for him winning Sunday.

There were more problems with the Shane/Blahtista/HHH team, though.

Jerm
04-20-2009, 06:03 PM
I watch crap like TNA and today's HHHWWE and I still wish we had this.....

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That titantron and theme is still EPIC haha I remember they would play the entire thing too, would piss the fans off so bad...God I miss guys like Rock, Austin, Eddie, etc.

When the WWE was watchable lol.

Mecca
04-20-2009, 07:16 PM
I believe I just encountered the funniest wrestling video ever on youtube..

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Swanman
04-20-2009, 07:25 PM
I don't think they should try to do that either that's to far to the other side. A pure wrestling program like that will not draw nationally it's a niche product. It can be part of your show but it can't be all your show is.

ROH does storylines pretty well. They've actually done some extremely compelling feuds in the recent past (Cabana vs. Homicide, Danielson vs. Morishima, Aries vs. Jacobs, Whitmer vs. Jacobs, etc.). And they have done some incredible slow burn storylines that take place over months (helps they only run like 4 shows a month at most). Their storyline centers around some fairly simple premises, mainly these 2:

1) 2 guys just don't like each other for some simple reason or
2) 2 guys fighting over a title (or 4 for tag teams)

It's amazing what you can do if you keep it simple.

Mecca
04-20-2009, 07:47 PM
ROH does storylines pretty well. They've actually done some extremely compelling feuds in the recent past (Cabana vs. Homicide, Danielson vs. Morishima, Aries vs. Jacobs, Whitmer vs. Jacobs, etc.). And they have done some incredible slow burn storylines that take place over months (helps they only run like 4 shows a month at most). Their storyline centers around some fairly simple premises, mainly these 2:

1) 2 guys just don't like each other for some simple reason or
2) 2 guys fighting over a title (or 4 for tag teams)

It's amazing what you can do if you keep it simple.

You like actual wrestling, right away you have to understand that makes you a minority. Nationally speaking ROH and what it caters to is a niche audience and they realize it.

There's a reason some of the biggest draws this country has ever seen couldn't work at all or were marginal type workers. They didn't draw because they could work...

unothadeal
04-20-2009, 08:03 PM
Seriously, what's the point of having a draft when Smackdown! superstars are gonna appear on Raw?

Mecca
04-20-2009, 08:04 PM
Seriously, what's the point of having a draft when Smackdown! superstars are gonna appear on Raw?

I think they basically have to do it till the next PPV because of some of the matches they are running.

chiefs1111
04-20-2009, 08:10 PM
oh brother

chiefs1111
04-20-2009, 08:13 PM
of course he does

Mecca
04-20-2009, 08:13 PM
This really doesn't have anything on the NWO days.

chiefs1111
04-20-2009, 08:20 PM
That was an awesome match!

Mecca
04-20-2009, 08:22 PM
At this point I honestly get more enjoyment out of digging up stuff online from 10-12 years ago and watching that.

chiefs1111
04-20-2009, 08:23 PM
At this point I honestly get more enjoyment out of digging up stuff online from 10-12 years ago and watching that.

Same here,that was really a great time period for me in wrestling

Mecca
04-20-2009, 08:27 PM
Same here,that was really a great time period for me in wrestling

When WCW really started to take off in 96 I was 15 almost 16...

chiefs1111
04-20-2009, 08:33 PM
I really wish Kane would go back to wearing his mask

chiefs1111
04-20-2009, 08:34 PM
What a great main event for tonight :Lin:

Mecca
04-20-2009, 08:38 PM
Why do they insist on booking Mysterio against guys 8 times his size?

Oh yea I forgot since they hate cruiser wrestling they don't have more than 3 guys he can really work with.

unothadeal
04-20-2009, 08:38 PM
Solution (http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=5646175&postcount=3932)I really wish Kane would go back to wearing his mask

Mecca
04-20-2009, 08:39 PM
Kane supposedly is retiring pretty soon so it won't matter before long.

chiefs1111
04-20-2009, 08:40 PM
Kane supposedly is retiring pretty soon so it won't matter before long.

Really??? didn't know that

Mecca
04-20-2009, 08:42 PM
Really??? didn't know that

Well he's older than all hell now.....

I think sometimes we forget how old some of these guys are now since they've managed to make well no new stars.

chiefs1111
04-20-2009, 09:13 PM
Jericho with the codebreaker but of course Cena will some how pull it out for the win

Mecca
04-20-2009, 09:18 PM
Edge killed him.

chiefs1111
04-20-2009, 09:31 PM
damn,I think Big Show killed Rey

Ultra Peanut
04-20-2009, 09:50 PM
Punk's not even champ again yet and they're already booking him like Rey Rey.

THEY DON'T HAVE STARS.

The only reason WCW ever competed was they had Turners wallet to go sign away huge names.

TNA basically does everything wrong you can imagine when it comes to trying to compete with the WWE.TNA has stars. Just... really old ones that most people assume have retired, and Kurt "oh god he gon' die" Angle.

BryanBusby
04-20-2009, 10:05 PM
Oh shit, Randy looks legitimately hurt or he's selling it very very well.

Mecca
04-20-2009, 10:07 PM
Well Orton goes down at the PPV now.

Ultra Peanut
04-20-2009, 10:16 PM
Hey guys, join my meme and make fun of Twilight fans at the same time. Participate in a joke that 0.4% of the Planet will get.

TEAM MORRISON
http://j.photos.cx/avatar699_106-771.gif

TEAM MIZ
http://j.photos.cx/teammiz-99f.jpg

Someone's going to have to take one for the team and be a Miz fan, though.

keg in kc
04-20-2009, 10:20 PM
Punk's not even champ again yet and they're already booking him like Rey Rey.They've had him running 15-20 minute matches with Jericho the whole european tour, so hopefully that's what we get after Jericho/Steamboat.

BryanBusby
04-20-2009, 11:48 PM
Was a pretty disappointing Raw overall. I was actually pretty mad they had Edge run in and stop the Cena/Jericho match. Chris was doing a pretty good job carrying Cenar through it and was on pace to be Johns likely best match of the year. I don't hate it though because Edge is fucking awesome.

Ultra Peanut
04-20-2009, 11:52 PM
I paid very little attention to the main event, or really much of any Raw.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-21-2009, 12:10 AM
Didn't watch it, Xtremewrestling torrents seems to be down...yet I'm strangely unaffected.

Ultra Peanut
04-21-2009, 12:18 AM
It's amazing how quickly WWE went from "This is going to be awesome!" to "Fuck it, I'm going to read a book." after No Way Out.

Buck
04-21-2009, 12:20 AM
It's amazing how quickly WWE went from "This is going to be awesome!" to "**** it, I'm going to read a book." after No Way Out.

It sucked that bad, huh?

Ultra Peanut
04-21-2009, 12:24 AM
It sucked that bad, huh?This week was just boring, but the only things I've cared about in the past eight weeks have been:

1) HBK-Taker (which needed no build and delivered with an amazing match)
2) Jericho-Steamboat (which still included a horrible mess of a build getting there)
3) Morrison-Bourne (which was a one-off match on the third-tier show)

Everything else has been uninteresting at best and largely counterproductive. TNA literally made more strides than the WWE over the past couple of months, no matter how terribly they paid things off.

BryanBusby
04-21-2009, 12:29 AM
This week was just boring, but the only things I've cared about in the past eight weeks have been:

1) HBK-Taker (which needed no build and delivered with an amazing match)
2) Jericho-Steamboat (which still included a horrible mess of a build getting there)
3) Morrison-Bourne (which was a one-off match on the third-tier show)

Everything else has been uninteresting at best and largely counterproductive. TNA literally made more strides than the WWE over the past couple of months, no matter how terribly they paid things off.

Foley as your World Champion is not what I'd consider to be making strides.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-21-2009, 12:33 AM
Foley as your World Champion is not what I'd consider to be making strides.

That's just crazy to me. He's pretty old by now. Is he still doing the Mr. Socko finisher? He could progress into something where he humps the guys face in an up and down motion and call it the Wooden Rollercoaster.

BryanBusby
04-21-2009, 12:36 AM
That's just crazy to me. He's pretty old by now. Is he still doing the Mr. Socko finisher? He could progress into something where he humps the guys face in an up and down motion and call it the Wooden Rollercoaster.

At first I was surprised, then I remembered it was TNA. Vince Russo would have sex with a prostitute that is loaded with STD's if it brought ratings. The sad part is they think the average wrestling fan even cares about Foley anymore.

Hell, they think they can make something out of Lashley.

Ultra Peanut
04-21-2009, 12:39 AM
Foley as your World Champion is not what I'd consider to be making strides.The operative word being made. Then... well, then they TNAed everything up.

BryanBusby
04-21-2009, 12:42 AM
The operative word being made. Then... well, then they TNAed everything up.
I'm almost afraid to tune in now a days. With my luck, I'd tune in just in time for "Somoa Joes penis tattoo etch-a-sketch outline on a pole" match.

Mecca
04-21-2009, 01:09 AM
Alex Shelley is literally the only person on TNA I like at this point...

The WWE basically took all this awesome build they had and flushed it right back into status H's.

BigRock
04-21-2009, 01:12 AM
This week was just boring, but the only things I've cared about in the past eight weeks have been:

1) HBK-Taker (which needed no build and delivered with an amazing match)
2) Jericho-Steamboat (which still included a horrible mess of a build getting there)
3) Morrison-Bourne (which was a one-off match on the third-tier show)

Everything else has been uninteresting at best and largely counterproductive. TNA literally made more strides than the WWE over the past couple of months, no matter how terribly they paid things off.

You left off TAKER WANTS THE HOT TAG.

http://i41.tinypic.com/wr1761.gif

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-21-2009, 01:29 AM
What the fuck is Calaway doing there?

Mecca
04-21-2009, 01:30 AM
He looks like he's lost his mind.

Ultra Peanut
04-21-2009, 01:34 AM
I was looking for the right opportunity to post that. Truly a legendary image.

http://j.photos.cx/insanetaker-1d5.gif

Alex Shelley is literally the only person on TNA I like at this point...James Storm also rules.

That's about it.

Reaper16
04-21-2009, 01:36 AM
That clip of Taker is amazing.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-21-2009, 02:01 AM
I was looking for the right opportunity to post that. Truly a legendary image.

http://j.photos.cx/insanetaker-1d5.gif

James Storm also rules.

That's about it.

If we draft Sanchez or Stafford, you can interpolate that with the Tech Bell Ringer and you'll have my attitude down cold.

Reaper16
04-21-2009, 02:20 AM
Its been like an hour and I'm still audibly laughing at that Undertaker clip.

Oh, and

If we draft Sanchez or Stafford, you can interpolate that with the Tech Bell Ringer and you'll have my attitude down cold.

-- concur'd

Mecca
04-21-2009, 02:23 AM
the wcw was able to create new superstars too which to be honest neither TNA or WWE are able to do that

Since I didn't address this post earlier, I'll do it now, WCW never really made new stars....

They were really good at signing everyone else stars though. One thing I'll give a guy like Bischoff credit for was immediately noticing when someone had it and signing them. He jumped all over guys like Jericho and Mysterio after they'd only worked shortly in ECW.

He assembled probably the greatest talent roster ever put together at 1 point.

Mecca
04-21-2009, 02:59 AM
If you ever wanna have an interesting wrestling convo me and a friend of mine tried to figure this one out...

In WCW's heyday how in the fuck did Diamond Dallas Page get so popular and so over? It's something that no one can figure out, it was just very very weird.

Ultra Peanut
04-21-2009, 03:07 AM
If you ever wanna have an interesting wrestling convo me and a friend of mine tried to figure this one out...

In WCW's heyday how in the fuck did Diamond Dallas Page get so popular and so over? It's something that no one can figure out, it was just very very weird.I was a DDP mark when he was still a lower-midcard heel, so I'm the wrong person to ask.

He was really one of the first people to stand up to the nWo, though. They kept teasing the turn for months and months, slowly building towards it, and in the end he rejected them (until everyone was in one of the fifty nWo factions), turned face, feuded with Savage for what felt like years, and got super over as a lanky guy who had tons of charisma and kept taking beatings from heels.

The slow burn had literally been going on for like six months at this point, in January '97:

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'Hamas' Jenkins
04-21-2009, 03:15 AM
If you ever wanna have an interesting wrestling convo me and a friend of mine tried to figure this one out...

In WCW's heyday how in the fuck did Diamond Dallas Page get so popular and so over? It's something that no one can figure out, it was just very very weird.

He was largely helped by his friendship with Bischoff, which led to him getting pushed. How he stayed over? I have no idea. Maybe it was the succinctness of his name and his finisher.

Mecca
04-21-2009, 03:55 AM
I always wondered if his mullet and general white trash appeal helped him immensely in staying over...

Even I found myself enjoying DDP for awhile...and yes his finisher was very cool, still better than the RKO.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-21-2009, 03:56 AM
and yes his finisher was very cool, still better than the RKO.

Blasphemy.

Orton gets 5 feet off the ground and has a lagging snap when he executes the move. DDP just kind of fell down with it. It was like a rear facelock into a collapse.

Orton may not have invented the Ace Crusher, but he perfected it.

Mecca
04-21-2009, 04:00 AM
Blasphemy.

Orton gets 5 feet off the ground and has a lagging snap when he executes the move. DDP just kind of fell down with it. It was like a rear facelock into a collapse.

Orton may not have invented the Ace Crusher, but he perfected it.

Sure he jumps higher but what made DDP's cooler was the 8 million different ways he'd hit it. He literally put everything he had into really making that "you never saw it coming line" true.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-21-2009, 04:02 AM
Sure he jumps higher but what made DDP's cooler was the 8 million different ways he'd hit it. He literally put everything he had into really making that "you never saw it coming line" true.

I don't think I ever saw DDP hit it on a guy who was jumping from the top rope or doing a springboard.

It's not like Orton hasn't hit it from a series of chain wrestling moves, reversals, and counters.

Mecca
04-21-2009, 04:04 AM
I watched some shoot with DDP where he said he told Orton on his way out "you're the future of the business you're looking for a finisher take my move"

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-21-2009, 04:10 AM
I watched some shoot with DDP where he said he told Orton on his way out "you're the future of the business you're looking for a finisher take my move"

A much wiser choice than when he used the overdrive.

Couple of other DDP notes:

1) I always wonder how he landed his wife when she was at her apex.
2) I loved the story about how Steiner whipped his ass
3) His wife's performance in the 40 Year Old Virgin was priceless.

Mecca
04-21-2009, 04:14 AM
A much wiser choice than when he used the overdrive.

Couple of other DDP notes:

1) I always wonder how he landed his wife when she was at her apex.
2) I loved the story about how Steiner whipped his ass
3) His wife's performance in the 40 Year Old Virgin was priceless.

A better story is in the shoot he says looking back he wishes he would have not come in to work the Taker program and would have held out for a peoples champion vs peoples champion program with the Rock because that was what he really wanted to do.

Mecca
04-21-2009, 04:16 AM
And this is probably the sweetest version of the move...

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'Hamas' Jenkins
04-21-2009, 04:22 AM
That was a tight move.

Mecca
04-21-2009, 04:32 AM
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There's a pretty awesome one right around 3:10 in that video.

Ultra Peanut
04-21-2009, 04:43 AM
The DDP-Eddie stuff was pretty awesome. Just another example of WCW's ridiculously great undercard.

BigRock
04-21-2009, 06:11 AM
1) I always wonder how he landed his wife when she was at her apex.

DDP was a playa. Lord only knows how he pulled it off. He ran these nightclubs and scored lots of tail. You gotta tip your hat to the man, doing so much with seemingly so little.

I still can't believe Kimberly got her implants taken out. Because she wants to be taken more seriously as an actress or some such. Yeah. Good luck with all that.

LEAVE THE MAMMARIES ALONE :(

2) I loved the story about how Steiner whipped his ass

There are so many great DDP stories, one hardly knows where to start.

Some of my favorites:

- DDP had a habit for completely scripting out his matches and giving the script to his opponents so they could memorize it. Prior to the DDP/Raven/Benoit three-way in WCW, wrestlers started to realize that DDP was going to try giving Benoit a script. They wanted to watch it happen, figuring Benoit would tear into him for being a moron.

On the day of the PPV, DDP goes up to Benoit backstage and gives him a move-by-move account of the match they're about to have. Wrestlers are grinning and laughing, just waiting for DDP to get embarrassed.

Instead, Benoit seems overly cheerful, smiling and nodding as he glances through the script. They shake hands and DDP leaves. The second he turns around, Benoit crumples up the script, throws it over his shoulder, and walks away while the wrestlers crack up*.

- Wacky "DDP in WWE" story #138,284: shortly after his debut, DDP invented something he called "Braveheart bumping", supposedly inspired by the movie, which basically involved not falling down and taking a normal bump. In other words, hardly selling anything.

He went around the locker room telling everyone about his new invention, predicting that everyone would be copying him within a few months. He debuted it during a series of house show matches with Taker, and during the second match on the tour, Taker stopped everything and just stood there staring at him until he got the hint to stop doing it.

- Currently lives with a black woman who looks like Shaq**.

- Liked to watch the bigger, freaker wrestlers bang Kimberly, except no one would agree to do it while DDP was there watching. So they'd make tapes that Page would watch. Sex tapes of Kimberly with Big Show and Ice Train have specifically been mentioned in reference to this story**.

(*story became somewhat less amusing as of June 2007)
(**told by longtime DDP hater Mark Madden, so take with as much salt as you so choose)

Jerm
04-21-2009, 08:45 AM
BTW for even more evidence of how much of a joke TNA is, I present this.....

Bobby Lashley's debut on TNA's Lockdown PPV last night in Philadelphia brought up the obvious questions as to his future in MMA.

According to sources in the Lashley camp, he has not signed a contract with TNA but did the show to get both sides acquainted with each other. If he does sign with TNA, his goal would be to do both pro wrestling on a limited basis and continue MMA, as TNA taping for a few days once a month would give him at least the time to train MMA.

Lashley (2-0 in MMA), who had been negotiating a deal with Strikeforce, is looking over a contract for a June 27 fight against much larger Japanese marketing legend Bob Sapp, that would be held in Biloxi for Prize Fight Promotions (a boxing promotion that would be doing its first MMA card) at the Mississippi Gulf Coast Coliseum that would also feature Pedro Rizzo vs. Gilbert Yvel.

Lashley could sign the contract for the fight as early as later today.

Sapp has not signed for the fight, but confirmed earlier today he's reviewing the contract and "Hopefully, I'll be there."

That's according to Meltzer. Dude hasn't even signed yet and they have him show up at a PPV...gotta love it.

keg in kc
04-21-2009, 11:40 AM
Apparently the goal of superstars this week is to make sure the young talent knows its place. So far we have Kane pinning punk in a tag match and Edge beating Kofi.

Hopefully they both get to show enough that it isn't a total loss.

BigCatDaddy
04-21-2009, 11:44 AM
He was largely helped by his friendship with Bischoff, which led to him getting pushed. How he stayed over? I have no idea. Maybe it was the succinctness of his name and his finisher.


I think it was his Nirvanna based theme song.

Ultra Peanut
04-21-2009, 12:04 PM
I don't really have a problem with Edge beating Kofi.

Because Edge is awesome.

keg in kc
04-21-2009, 12:32 PM
I don't really have a problem with Edge beating Kofi.

Because Edge is awesome.Me either, a loss going into the PPV wouldn't make sense.

My question is more about why they were in a match in the first place.

keg in kc
04-21-2009, 06:13 PM
You guys have got to see this:

http://www.officialmorphoplex.com/

Video link on the bottom of that page

Mecca
04-21-2009, 06:21 PM
Well it's nice to see Larry Zybyzko find a job.

chiefscafan
04-21-2009, 07:46 PM
yeah ddp did have an awesome finisher but he got the push because he was bischoffs friend.


agreed mecca about developing what I meant was what you said besides steve austin

bishoff was awesome at developing allready great talent. While Vince at that time was all about the big steroid muscular wrestlers missing out on guys like Jericho and Mysterio but later seeing them work out in wcw and stealing them.

I also agree the other day I sat at coffee bean and watched all the old NWO videos on u tube.

ONe of my favorites was when nash picked up a diving rey and used him as a spear and threw him into the tv truck classic.

the other one was classic scott hall when buff joined NWO and took out scott riggs and Nash said "Either you join us or.."
gave the mic to Hall and he said "Or you get punked"

those were the days nothing has come close to the enjoyment of the NWO early beatings of the WCW. Thats when wrestling was cool.

Mecca
04-21-2009, 07:48 PM
WCW never really made those guys stars. They gave them a national american tv audience and let them do their thing but once they got to a certain level they never moved.

Jericho left because he couldn't move any more because WCWs pecking order was even stronger than the WWE one one of today.

chiefscafan
04-21-2009, 08:16 PM
but there were some great talents with WCW in those days I was kind of bummed when I heard Bischoff was trying to put the money to buy wcw but vince out bid him.

Just think if Bischoff had gotten controll with the money to compete it makes me sad because I'm almost guaranting that wwe would be a heck of a lot better.

but vince was also famous for stealing talent from organizations changing their names and giving them a new gimick and proclaiming that he developed them. He is a joke when people give him all this credit.
Ask the old promoters if they like what vince did.

keg in kc
04-21-2009, 08:17 PM
So I've been thinking about backlash.

Apparently on smackdown, batista/shane beat diabiase/rhodes, teasing more conflict. I think orton goes over sunday.

I think edge goes over cena, although having him standing over his body an hour into raw would usually make me think otherwise. But I think they'll use that beatdown as Cena's excuse, and it gets a title back on sd.

I can't imagine two heels going over on the same card, which is why I think that match looks like a setup for punk to cash in. He's not on the card, he'll be coming off a weak victory and two losses (tag matches on superstars and smackdown) and it's a direct open for a program with edge. And disregarding the fact that it's a shit ppv that nobody will watch, storyline-wise, what better possible opportunity would he have to cash in than after a last man standing match?

All that said I think it's too soon to do it, because even with his win last year, they haven't done much to build him up. Maybe have Jericho challenge him on SD, lose the belt in Chicago at Judgement Day and then have him eventually regain later in the summer to establish him.

Mecca
04-21-2009, 08:18 PM
All promoters steal talent.....but when they want to the WWE makes new stars.

Bischoff basically used Turners money to compete. He had 1 good idea and when that idea finally faded out the company died.

big nasty kcnut
04-21-2009, 09:14 PM
Bastista will turn on vince and join legacey. Bank on it.
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Reaper16
04-21-2009, 09:15 PM
Bastista will turn on vince and join legacey. Bank on it.
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Batista is a 2nd or 3rd generation wrestler?

big nasty kcnut
04-21-2009, 09:17 PM
No but it'll make legacey evolution
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Mr. Flopnuts
04-21-2009, 09:19 PM
No but it'll make legacey evolution
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LEGOLUTION FTW!!!!

It could happen.

chiefscafan
04-21-2009, 09:34 PM
nope I'll state what I said earlier shane is third generation he'll get disqualified and turn on hhh and batista. Become the mouth piece of the group stating he is taking over the wwe from stephanie and vince bank on it.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-21-2009, 10:31 PM
nope I'll state what I said earlier shane is third generation he'll get disqualified and turn on hhh and batista. Become the mouth piece of the group stating he is taking over the wwe from stephanie and vince bank on it.

I could EASILY see that happen. We're about due for another McMahon family fued. WWE philosophy is even if it's broke, don't fix it.

BigRock
04-21-2009, 10:41 PM
LEGOLUTION FTW!!!!

It could happen.

Batista joining them would make Legacy a lot stronger. The whole second-generation thing is nice, but it's only going to mean a stable of guys that nobody cares about outside of Orton. I mean, what if Harry Smith joins. Whoopie?

Batista joins up with Orton's group, HBK returns to reform DX to feud with them, and then my long awaited dream... THE RETURN OF X-PAC.

chiefscafan
04-21-2009, 10:54 PM
well at least that would be exciting Bigrock not the crap they are rolling out now LOL

Mecca
04-21-2009, 10:57 PM
Batista joining them would make Legacy a lot stronger. The whole second-generation thing is nice, but it's only going to mean a stable of guys that nobody cares about outside of Orton. I mean, what if Harry Smith joins. Whoopie?

Batista joins up with Orton's group, HBK returns to reform DX to feud with them, and then my long awaited dream... THE RETURN OF X-PAC.

Harry Smith is gonna be on ECW probably pairing up with his good buddy TJ I mean Tyson Kidd.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-21-2009, 11:08 PM
Batista joining them would make Legacy a lot stronger. The whole second-generation thing is nice, but it's only going to mean a stable of guys that nobody cares about outside of Orton. I mean, what if Harry Smith joins. Whoopie?

Batista joins up with Orton's group, HBK returns to reform DX to feud with them, and then my long awaited dream... THE RETURN OF X-PAC.

X-Pac sucks.

Mecca
04-21-2009, 11:11 PM
X-Pac sucks.

He had sex with Chyna that alone should earn him something, that is a very brave thing to do.

Xpac was cool many years ago.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-21-2009, 11:13 PM
He had sex with Chyna that alone should earn him something, that is a very brave thing to do.

Xpac was cool many years ago.

I was just trying the mimic the crowd back in the day.

Mr. Flopnuts
04-21-2009, 11:13 PM
1-2-3 KID FTW!!!!1!!!

Mecca
04-21-2009, 11:21 PM
I thought he was amusing in the NWO.

Mecca
04-22-2009, 01:11 AM
Everyone HAS to read this, Jim Cornette writes possibly the most awesome commentary ever.

THE "WRITE" STUFF
Posted April 24, 2009

I can't count the number of times over the last 10 years that someone, usually not connected to professional wrestling in any way except as a fan, has asked me, "How do I get a job as a writer?" or given me a package of "scripts" as an audition for a "writing position". This usually gives me the sour belches. It's not these folks' fault that they want the position, it's the fault of the idiots who actually HIRE idiots like these that gives others the idea they, too, can get the jobs with no experience whatsoever. So the inaugural Cornette's Commentary deals with what a "booker" is, what a "writer" is, and the difference between the two.

The inspiration for this column was a paragraph in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter from several months back. I quote that here verbatim, as an example of the intellect of people who "write" wrestling in some places these days:

"It started with Marella and Phoenix out. Marella talked about the three perverts he might face at Cyber Sunday, two crossdressers, Rodney the Piper and Goldendust, and a third pervert in Honky Tonk Man. He called "Johnny Knockville" to the ring. He was out there plugging his website about 50 times, so it was no subtlety as to why he was there. He made a remark about Phoenix's tallywacker and implying she was a guy in drag (I mean, she doesn't exactly look like Nicole Bass or even Chyna to make that joke work), so she bodyslammed him. This was just about the worst bodyslam in history, all his fault. She gave him an extra boot out of frustration and I'm sure she was glad her time in this skit was up. Hornswoggle ran in for a tadpole splash. Then Chris Pontius, who was with him, came to the ring. Christopher DeJosephs (a WWE "writer") as Big Dick Johnson then showed up, peeled off his clothes and started dancing. Pontius then peeled off his clothes, so you had two guys running around in jock straps dancing. I'd hate to think who this was trying to appeal to at this point. But we weren't done. Out came the Boogeyman.. DeJosephs ran away, but Boogeyman gave Pontius a lousy looking clothesline and spit worms all over his face. Almost none went in Pontius' mouth, but one or two may have and they were selling it like a ton did. But we STILL weren't done. Knoxville got up and said he'd been blown up before, and finally since this was all building to it, out came Khali. They started laughing and Khali gave Knoxville the head squeeze, picked him up and dropped him with a slam from the head squeeze. There have been mercy killings less painful than this segment. Houston Mitchell of the Los Angeles Times, there live, said "I've never seen a segment die live quite as bad as that Jackass segment did. And it seemed to go on forever." There were people internally quietly saying the segment was awful, and Brian Gewirtz (WWE "writer") was very defensive of it, saying those people just don't understand good comedy."

Apparently that stupid son of a bitch Gewirtz doesn't understand good WRESTLING, either.

Let's clarify our terms at the start. Pro wrestling doesn't have "writers", it has a BOOKER. "Sports entertainment" has "writers". Since Toots Mondt laid the groundwork for the position of booker back in the 20's and 30's, the booker in wrestling served as the matchmaker, deciding who would wrestle who, who would win, constructed the finishes to lead to rematches if applicable, and set up the "programs", or series of matches between two opponents. He determined the talent roster by hiring and/or firing the wrestlers who wrestled in the particular territory he was booking. As the TV era began, the booker also laid out the TV formats, came up with the angles to be worked, and gave the talent ideas for what to say in their promos.

The promoter, or owner, of the territory the booker was in charge of was the only person the booker answered to. He might have assistants to carry out his instructions, but he had sole control over any decisions relating to talent. If business was good, he stayed in the position. If business was bad, the promoter replaced him. The wrestlers, especially the main event talent, had great leeway in their performance as long as they carried out the booker's basic instructions. The booker gave the finish and any important spot, the rest of the match was up to the talent. The booker told the talent the subject and time of their TV promos, content and delivery was up to talent. As an example, Dusty Rhodes' instructions to me might be, "You've got 3 minutes, you're wrestling the Rock & Roll Express in Charlotte, last show there you interfered with the racket so this time they've asked for a cage match, and it's for the Tag Title. Go sell me some tickets."

If the talent performed the booker's angles, finishes and promos properly while getting their individual personalities and style over, they drew money. If they didn't, they were replaced with someone who did. So, in summation, a booker assembled a crew of wrestlers that he felt were unique, charismatic and talented, gave them direction and a platform on which to get over, built up their won-loss records, and then manipulated them into personal issues or title matches with other stars he felt were compelling enough that fans would pay to see them. The talent did the rest, and that's why main event stars got reputations as being able to "draw money". You often hear these days that "so and so has never drawn any money." In TODAY's environment, few particular talents "draw money", because few are put in positions to do their own thing and prove it's THEM, not the "writing", that people are paying to see.

Great talent can sometimes take mediocre booking and make it work, but it's hard for great booking to draw money with subpar talent. Being a great booker was an art form, possibly the hardest job in wrestling, because it not only required great knowledge of and experience in wrestling, but the ability to spot and feature great talent as well. Many of the greatest bookers were also top stars in the ring. The reason for this is because only a proven money-drawing talent with a track record of success and years of experience would be trusted by a promoter with the most important job in his company. In many cases, only a top star known for his accomplishments would have the respect in the eyes of the talent to be able to tell a locker room full of stars and tough guys what to do.

Of course, there was often a problem with the booker also being a wrestler, in terms of ego, overpushing himself or his friends, etc., but there was also an upside in that the booker knew he wouldn't walk out on himself, hold himself up for more money, and the like. So how did you become a booker in the "old days?" Every story is different, but the gist is the same.Unless you had some outstanding accomplishment on your resume, such as being a standout amateur champion, former pro athlete, local sports hero, or physical giant that made a promoter come to you, you generally followed a path something like this:

You were a fan of wrestling who hung around the matches, set up the ring, ran errands, etc. until your presence became accepted in the "closed society" of wrestling. An established wrestler took a liking to you and agreed to train you in the basics. After getting the crap kicked out of you in training, you started as a TV job guy or a "curtain-jerker", got beaten like a drum, losing to everyone wherever you could get booked. You suffered through long trips and low payoffs until, IF you had any talent, you began moving up the cards, and MAYBE you would get a break if you impressed someone in power, and you would get to be involved in an angle or program. If that went well, you MIGHT get booked in a decent spot somewhere else. Over a period of years, working in many different territories, IF you were really good, you MIGHT establish yourself as a top talent.

IF you showed an interest in or aptitude for the booking end of wrestling, you might begin to get input in your own programs and angles, and IF that worked well, you MIGHT be offered a spot as an assistant to an established booker who had taken an interest in you and wanted to mentor you, and if that worked out, a promoter somewhere MIGHT have enough faith in you to give you a shot as his booker. So as you can see, it was fairly easy.

In my case, I was a fan for 5 years, a photographer/ring announcer/gofer for 6 years, and a manager for 7 years before I was given an opportunity to be an assistant to WCW booker Ric Flair at the age of 28, and THAT raised eyebrows as I had so "little" experience. I also had to overcome the fact that I was not a wrestler, but "only" a manager. Still, I had been a performer, and that was the key. Not only was it almost unheard of for a person without many years of experience to be given a booking spot, but it was even rarer for someone to book if they had not been a performer of some kind.

You needed the experience of actually performing angles, finishes, promos and the like to know, through trial and error and on-the-job training how these things were laid out and implemented, how crowds would react, and how slight variations would lead to the success or failure of anything you were trying to accomplish.

Contrast the old system, where idiots like the aforementioned Gewirtz couldn't have gotten a job popping popcorn, with today. "Sports entertainment" started in the mid 80's, as a term coined by Vince McMahon to con major advertisers into thinking they were buying something other than professional wrestling, which many considered "low-class" programming. Of course, it was really still wrestling, as fans have never said, "There's sports entertainment at the Coliseum tonight", or "Did you get your sports entertainment tickets". But, especially over the last 10 years, the WWE has spearheaded major changes which have resulted in wrestling being possibly the only product of any kind where the fans, or the consumers, know more about the product than most of the people in charge of producing it.

The WWE executives and higher-ups have deluded themselves into thinking that they really AREN'T in the wrestling business, that they have created something better than "rasslin' ", as they condescendingly refer to it. Even though they owe their homes, their savings, possibly everything they own to pro wrestling, they are so ashamed of being in the business of promoting wrestling that they refuse to even call it that. Over nearly a generation of hiring new employees, most of whom don't know the true story, they have created an atmosphere in the company whereby many there genuinely believe they have created a new genre of entertainment out of something that was seedy and small time, never successful before Vince got ahold of it. Nowhere is this more prevalent as on their "creative team", which is what they optimistically call their "writers".

For years, the head of the creative team has been Stephanie McMahon, the boss' daughter. While an intelligent, college-educated woman, her credentials qualifying her to be the head "writer" of a wrestling promotion remain the three words "the boss' daughter." Her knowledge of wrestling history, especially of how her father put the territories out of business, is nil, as evidenced by her testimony before Congress. Her experience as a performer has been limited to what she wrote for herself. It's not her fault entirely, as until she came to work at the WWE after college, she attended the matches sporadically, and certainly no one was going to teach the boss' daughter anything that might be politically imprudent. Her husband, Triple H, a student of the game, is certainly not going to rock his marriage boat, and much more important to him, his position as the heir to the throne, by telling her any of the negative effects her father has had on the pro wrestling industry in general while building his personal empire.

So Stephanie, as head of creative, hires people like her.Young people with college degrees in writing, many with experience writing scripted television, comedy shows in particular, with little or no respect for wrestling, and little if any experience performing ANYTHING. As a matter of fact, being a fan of wrestling is not even a requirement for the job, and God forbid if you DO admit to being a wrestling fan, and having watched any other wrestling besides WWE, you will at best be viewed as a "mark" and your days numbered.

These sitcom writers and comic book/video game enthusiasts don't apply for WWE jobs out of a lifelong love of wrestling, they do it to add to their resumes for the day they can get jobs in "real" TV and feed their dreams of winning an Emmy. They write things to amuse themselves and/or Vince, because seemingly 80% or better of "sports entertainment" has to be funny, usually involving stripper pillow fights, fart jokes, crossdressers, fat oily guys, inside jokes only a small portion of the audience understand, and midgets. When the fans who actually watch wrestling because they like it don't enjoy this crap, they are called "smart marks", "spoiled", and mocked and made fun of for not being "with the program", because in the WWE the customer is NEVER right.

While the WWE employs some of the greatest in-ring talent of the past as agents, like Arn Anderson, Ricky Steamboat and others, not only do they not have a hand in actually writing the shows, but they know better than to ruffle feathers by giving their true opinions, so they are forced to sit in muzzled silence while one of the writers sacrifices his dignity with gusto by slathering oil on his repulsive, 300 pound frame and parades about in a G-String, taking up time that could be used to get a hardworking young wrestler over. They know that Vince and his minions love to embarass and humiliate his loyal wrestling staff on TV if they step up with a dissenting opinion. It's no wonder that Michael Hayes, the last remaining person out of the revolving door staff of "writers" who has actually BEEN a pro wrestler, has had public issues with alcohol. After watching these amateur Shakespeares barge into the front door of my profession, wipe their feet on the rug, and turn the business into a clown show resembling the Harlem Globetrotters on acid, I feel like taking up a Mexican black tar heroin habit.

In this process, all the individuality has been taken from the talent. As the RAW script which was recently leaked on the internet shows, every word, every bit of business, even every gesture is scripted and only the upper echelon of talent has the liberty of any improvisation. Wrestling has been homogenized, pasteurized, and "sanitized for your protection" like a cellophane wrapper on a toilet seat at a cheap motel. The "writers" have become so absorbed in self-aggrandizement that every page of the detailed script is headed with "You are watching the longest-running weekly episodic television show in history", as if they are on the level of Gunsmoke, Bonanza or I Love Lucy. I don't recall Marshall Dillon spouting bad jokes like a standup comic in the Poconos, or Fred Mertz giving Ricky Ricardo a piledriver.

If the material succeeds, the creative team pats itself on the back. If it fails, they blame the wrestlers, saddled with silly gimmicks and lame scripts they don't have the power to refuse, for not being able to "draw money". If stars of the past like Dick Murdoch, the Sheik, Abdullah the Butcher, or even Dusty Rhodes, were to come along today, they couldn't even get jobs in developmental because they don't fit the cookie-cutter mold of what "stars" are supposed to look like. They would sound the same as everyone else because they wouldn't have the power to "go into business for themselves" and get themselves over with their unique personalities.

The matches themselves, the very basis of how wrestling sells tickets, are minimized in importance because, from bell to bell, the matches are the one thing that's hardest for the "writers" to control. The overwritten, overproduced skits take precedent because, as the old saying goes, if the "writers" ever walked into an athlete's locker room, they'd be whistling "Stranger in Paradise." The passion and emotion has been drained from the promos, as instead of colorful personalities speaking their own words from the heart, the talent recite memorized promos handed to them in a script, so everyone sounds the same. Credibility has been sacrificed as instead of two men fighting over a championship or personal issue easily understood and believed by the viewer, they are mired into an overwritten, convoluted soap opera that is obviously contrived. Injury rates soar as people who have never been in a match come up with ridiculously complicated stipulations and gimmick-laden bouts that are impossible to perform safely, all the while knowing THEY'LL never have to risk their necks actually executing the shit.

I've made a lot of money in wrestling over the years, but I'd have a lot more if I had a dime for every time someone has recognized me in public and told me they USED to watch wrestling, but they don't anymore because it got so (pick one) A) Show biz B) Fake C) cartoony D) offensive or E) variations on A-D.

And who suffers? Besides the fans who have to sit through so much of this hokey shit to see the great matches and promos the top talent are still capable of delivering when given the chance, it's the wrestlers. The aspiring rookies are handicapped by having no territories left to gain experience in, as well as the WWE's butchering of their own developmental system. The guys who do make the main roster are forced to sacrifice their dignity and self-respect by doing the silly things that hamper their ability to get over but amuse the writers. The more physically demanding style combined with the mainstream knowledge that pro wrestling is a complete work means they now have to hit each other twice as hard to get half the response. Careers last 5 or 10 years instead of 20 or 30. I won't even go into the drug issues caused by the cosmetic look needed to fit the WWE's hiring practices or the resulting depression experienced by those who get a brief taste of stardom, then have it taken away when the gimmick or spot they are given turns out to be a short-term success with no legs and they are "typecast" in the fans' eyes and cannot reinvent themselves. Additionally, the wrestler is the one who takes the blame if he grows a set of balls one day and says, "No, the Boogeyman is NOT going to spit live worms in my mouth tonight."

Wrestling is a talent-driven industry.The stars are ultimately the ones the fans pay to see, or watch on TV. But never in our sport's history have people who have no experience and background in or respect for our industry had so much control over those who do. And that's sad, for the wrestlers AND the fans.

I'm Jim Cornette, and that's my opinion.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-22-2009, 01:17 AM
I just had to make this gif. I'm 26 years old, and I still do this dance sometimes when I get excited or hear techno music.

http://i42.tinypic.com/25i82va.gif

Mecca
04-22-2009, 01:20 AM
Did you do that when you read the Cornette commentary?

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-22-2009, 01:22 AM
hold on, i'll read it really quick.

Reaper16
04-22-2009, 01:31 AM
Bravo @ Cornette's commentary.

Mecca
04-22-2009, 01:32 AM
He says some of the things some of us have been saying forever, especially the stuff about everything being overly scripted and ring work being heavily toned down so it's not important anymore.

chiefs1111
04-22-2009, 01:36 AM
That was a great read...

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-22-2009, 01:43 AM
That was full of win.

Great article. It's nice when someone can be bitter with a reason. I do love the way he was able to snipe on HHH as caring more about being heir to the company than his wife, and his evisceration of the WWE writing staff was top notch.

If anyone wants a good parallel to the modern E, I suggest you read Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

Ultra Peanut
04-22-2009, 01:47 AM
I can't imagine how many things he wants to say about TNA.

And considering it's Cornette, I'm kind of disappointed there weren't many F-bombs or just a paragraph of him typing "CUUUUUUUUUNT!"

Mecca
04-22-2009, 01:49 AM
That was full of win.

Great article. It's nice when someone can be bitter with a reason. I do love the way he was able to snipe on HHH as caring more about being heir to the company than his wife, and his evisceration of the WWE writing staff was top notch.

If anyone wants a good parallel to the modern E, I suggest you read Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

The only difference being the WWE has enough of a base that will always watch to continue to make money so they'll never really fall.

Plus everyone else in the business is just as dumb so they book the same way.

Man TNA should give Cornette the book.

'Hamas' Jenkins
04-22-2009, 07:45 AM
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Ultra Peanut
04-22-2009, 08:01 AM
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Mr. Flopnuts
04-22-2009, 10:07 AM
Awesome piece by Cornette.

Jerm
04-22-2009, 11:10 AM
I just had to make this gif. I'm 26 years old, and I still do this dance sometimes when I get excited or hear techno music.

http://i42.tinypic.com/25i82va.gif

ROFL What about Berlyn??? What an awesome character that was.

That dance does pwn though. :D

BTW, Cornette shoot interviews are the best...his rants crack me up.

big nasty kcnut
04-22-2009, 11:58 AM
Good read.
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Jerm
04-22-2009, 01:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=WorstWrestlingThemes&view=videos

Some hilarious shit there...worst themes, titantrons, etc.

Jerm
04-23-2009, 12:18 PM
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KAMALA FTW~! LMAO

Jerm
04-23-2009, 12:20 PM
And who can forget this gem....

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LOL Regal had to have been on a coke binge or something to agree to that.

So funny.

chiefscafan
04-23-2009, 09:40 PM
TNA: first Mick foley is annoying and boring


Now you find out sting is gone TNA is going down big time

Main event Steiner vs jarett? This impact was god awful

BigRock
04-24-2009, 12:00 AM
TNA'S SLAMMIVERSARY 2009 PAY-PER-VIEW IS COMING TO DETROIT

TNA’s “Slammiversary 2009” pay-per-view event will celebrate seven years of Total Nonstop Action in the Motor City of Detroit. “Slammiversary” will be held at The Palace of Auburn Hills Sunday, June 21 at 8 p.m. ET live on pay-per-view. Tickets for “Slammiversary” will go on sale Friday, May 8 at 10 am at all Ticketmaster locations and charge by phone (248-645-6666).

What the shit? That's like a 25,000 seat arena. They could double their all-time attendance record and the building will still be 70% empty.

Ultra Peanut
04-24-2009, 12:14 AM
I will bet money that the MCMGs don't even get a dark match on that card.

Farzin
04-26-2009, 11:31 AM
GO CHRISTIAN!

BigRock
04-26-2009, 12:30 PM
BACKLASH PREDICTIONS

Edge vs. Cena - This is interesting because Smackdown has no champion. And supposedly Cena is supposed to do another movie here sometime. But he just won it at 'Mania, are they going to keep bouncing the belts around that much? And they're billing this as THE FINAL ENCOUNTER, so logic would suggest a babyface victory.

But if Cena wins, the belt stays on Raw. We could get into some fancy CM Punkian fantasy regarding MITB and the other title match, but I don't see how a guy winning a 6-man tag would be ripe for a MITB cash-in. Whereas the winner of this one is likely to be pretty beaten up.

But if they did MITB here on Cena, it has to mean a heel turn for Punk. And that just seems odd. Who's he going to feud with as a heel champ? Jeff Hardy for a month? Rey?

Prediction: Edge wins when Jericho, Christian, Test, Tyson Kidd, and Harry Smith lay out Cena, forming a new Hart Foundation. Then Bret will come back to lead it. Then Bret will beat Shawn at WM26 in Shawn's retirement match. This will bring about a new bond between WWE and the Harts, leading to Blade and Beans Hart joining Legacy and Oje Hart ending the Undertaker's streak.

HHH/Batista/Shane vs. Orton/DiBiase/Rhodes - This could probably end any number of ways. There has always been talk of Shane (or Stephanie) joining Legacy, but that really makes no sense at this point since Orton has repeatedly beaten them both up.

Batista turning is also an option, although that wouldn't seem to make a lot of sense either since this whole thing is about how bad he wants to get his hands on Orton. But it IS wrestling, where on occasion things don't make sense.

Nobody could turn and the good guys could win, but that seems boring. Given that Orton did beat HHH on Raw, and thus he wouldn't look like a total chump if he won the belt without ever beating the champ, they could convicably do something wonky where Ted DiBiase pins Shane or something like that to give Orton the belt. Then there's a rift between Orton and DiBiase because Ted, and not Randy, won the match. This seems way too soon to do that, but they did sorta suggest tension between the two of them on Raw.

What would be good is if anyone on Orton's team could win the belt, and say DiBiase ended up winning it. Then Orton could lay him out on Raw, much as HHH did to Orton when Orton won the belt in Evolution, which Orton hated. Ad yet he'd be doing the same thing to Ted. I don't know that this would actually be all that interesting, but circles of life and all that.

Prediction: Batista turns and joins Legacy, revealing that Orton fake-punted him and his 4-month absense was actually to clear up some nagging injuries, get his wisdom teeth out, and learn a new language with Rosetta Stone. Also, his mother was a legendary pro wrestler in the Philippines, so he is second-generation and fits perfectly in Legacy.

To combat this group, HBK returns to reform DX, except they're still two men short. So X-Pac and Chyna return to boost the sales of their 2nd sex tape that came out a few months ago.

After the DX/Legacy feud concludes, DX and the New Hart Foundation begin their war, leading to the aforementioned Bret/Shawn match. And somewhere along the line, HHH drugs Martha Hart and marries her.

TOP THAT, RUSSO

keg in kc
04-26-2009, 12:37 PM
lmao, I love the hart foundation stuff.

You're right about the 6-man tag, and I don't see them doing a heel turn with Punk.

I don't think they cash in MitB tonight, I think Punk somehow gets involved in the Jericho/Steamboat match, or the aftermath.

(Although I still think the LMS match is a perfect setup for him, and I don't know how long they can go without a title on SD)

Hopefully Orton goes over and then the entire McMahon family, including HHH, gets blown up in a limo and vanishes off TV for 2 months. At which time they come back and don't acknowledge that it ever happened.

Farzin
04-26-2009, 12:39 PM
BACKLASH PREDICTIONS

Edge vs. Cena - This is interesting because Smackdown has no champion. And supposedly Cena is supposed to do another movie here sometime. But he just won it at 'Mania, are they going to keep bouncing the belts around that much? And they're billing this as THE FINAL ENCOUNTER, so logic would suggest a babyface victory.

But if Cena wins, the belt stays on Raw. We could get into some fancy CM Punkian fantasy regarding MITB and the other title match, but I don't see how a guy winning a 6-man tag would be ripe for a MITB cash-in. Whereas the winner of this one is likely to be pretty beaten up.

But if they did MITB here on Cena, it has to mean a heel turn for Punk. And that just seems odd. Who's he going to feud with as a heel champ? Jeff Hardy for a month? Rey?

Prediction: Edge wins when Jericho, Christian, Test, Tyson Kidd, and Harry Smith lay out Cena, forming a new Hart Foundation. Then Bret will come back to lead it. Then Bret will beat Shawn at WM26 in Shawn's retirement match. This will bring about a new bond between WWE and the Harts, leading to Blade and Beans Hart joining Legacy and Oje Hart ending the Undertaker's streak.

HHH/Batista/Shane vs. Orton/DiBiase/Rhodes - This could probably end any number of ways. There has always been talk of Shane (or Stephanie) joining Legacy, but that really makes no sense at this point since Orton has repeatedly beaten them both up.

Batista turning is also an option, although that wouldn't seem to make a lot of sense either since this whole thing is about how bad he wants to get his hands on Orton. But it IS wrestling, where on occasion things don't make sense.

Nobody could turn and the good guys could win, but that seems boring. Given that Orton did beat HHH on Raw, and thus he wouldn't look like a total chump if he won the belt without ever beating the champ, they could convicably do something wonky where Ted DiBiase pins Shane or something like that to give Orton the belt. Then there's a rift between Orton and DiBiase because Ted, and not Randy, won the match. This seems way too soon to do that, but they did sorta suggest tension between the two of them on Raw.

What would be good is if anyone on Orton's team could win the belt, and say DiBiase ended up winning it. Then Orton could lay him out on Raw, much as HHH did to Orton when Orton won the belt in Evolution, which Orton hated. Ad yet he'd be doing the same thing to Ted. I don't know that this would actually be all that interesting, but circles of life and all that.

Prediction: Batista turns and joins Legacy, revealing that Orton fake-punted him and his 4-month absense was actually to clear up some nagging injuries, get his wisdom teeth out, and learn a new language with Rosetta Stone. Also, his mother was a legendary pro wrestler in the Philippines, so he is second-generation and fits perfectly in Legacy.

To combat this group, HBK returns to reform DX, except they're still two men short. So X-Pac and Chyna return to boost the sales of their 2nd sex tape that came out a few months ago.

After the DX/Legacy feud concludes, DX and the New Hart Foundation begin their war, leading to the aforementioned Bret/Shawn match. And somewhere along the line, HHH drugs Martha Hart and marries her.

TOP THAT, RUSSO

ROFLROFL:clap:

keg in kc
04-26-2009, 02:37 PM
I didn't realize until I watched the second match on superstars that punk has a match against kane on backlash.

That should be brutal.

Not expecting MitB now. Wonder if they'll turn this into a feud over the briefcase.

keg in kc
04-26-2009, 03:46 PM
So here's the final card for the PPV none of us will be watching, much less buying:

World Heavyweight Title Match (Last Man Standing)
John Cena (c) vs. Edge

WWE Championship Match
Stipulation: If anyone on Triple H’s team loses, Triple H loses the Championship
Triple H(c) & Batista & Shane McMahon vs. Randy Orton, Ted Dibiase & Cody Rhodes

ECW Championship Match
Jack Swagger(c) vs. Christian

I Quit Match
Jeff Hardy vs. Matt Hardy

Singles Match:
Kane vs. CM Punk

Singles Match:
Chris Jericho vs. Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat

“Santina” Marella will be a special guest on Khali’s Kiss Cam.



In unrelated news, JR said in his latest blog that WWE is going to be "serious" about their brand split after the PPV tonight. Which would mean the end of the Cena/Edge and Hardy feuds.

Farzin
04-26-2009, 03:50 PM
I'm looking forward to this PPV. Hopefully it won't be a disappointment like WM.

Captain Obvious
04-26-2009, 07:04 PM
Anybody have a good link to a stream?

keg in kc
04-26-2009, 07:44 PM
So christian beat swagger (:() and then got into an argument with edge?

This is shaping up to be wacky.

chiefs1111
04-26-2009, 07:45 PM
wow,I forgot all about Backlash

Farzin
04-26-2009, 07:50 PM
Christian is the new ECW champion! INSTANT CLASSIC!!

keg in kc
04-26-2009, 07:58 PM
Kane beats Punk, crowd dead the whole match. Do they cash him in in front of a dead crowd after a loss?

keg in kc
04-26-2009, 08:37 PM
I'm not watching a stream (I'm at work), but I think the six man is about to go on. Shockingly HHH does not end the show.

Ultra Peanut
04-26-2009, 09:11 PM
OH MEES RANDY HAVE BEEN KILL HUNTER

What was the point of a retarded six-man that nobody cared about if Orton was just going to pin him clean?

Better still, why not just have him destroy Trips in a Last Man Standing match at the biggest show of the year and really make him a star, you fucking retards?

keg in kc
04-26-2009, 09:17 PM
Are there really "hey hey hey goodbye" and "please retire" chants post match?

I might've paid to see that. rofl

2 titles changes already. Cena retaining?

Ultra Peanut
04-26-2009, 09:27 PM
Are there really "hey hey hey goodbye" and "please retire" chants post match?

I might've paid to see that. rofl

2 titles changes already. Cena retaining?I definitely heard a "na na na na."

Ultra Peanut
04-26-2009, 09:51 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mecca
04-26-2009, 09:53 PM
They chanted that really?

RUSH
04-26-2009, 09:58 PM
wow Big Show chokeslammed Cena through the spotlight. It went on fire haha. That was pretty cool. Lookin like a Cena and Big Show feud for the next couple of months.

keg in kc
04-26-2009, 09:59 PM
So Cena/Edge was good with Edge going over? Good call.

Love to see the heels win two in a row, just to be different. HHH and Cena both out long-term storyline, hopefully.

Punk doesn't cash in, but helps the EMTs with Cena post-match? That really happen?

RUSH
04-26-2009, 10:09 PM
They were fighting near the jumbo tron and Edge hits Cena over the head with a chair. He gets up at 9 and then Big Show comes out and choke slams Cena off the stage into the spotlight. He went through the glass and it exploded. He was out cold and didn't beat the count. They took him out on a stretcher with a neck brace on. It was a good match, considering Cena was in it.

Cena also gave Edge an attitude adjustment into the crowd, that was pretty cool as well.

Ultra Peanut
04-26-2009, 10:52 PM
John Cena just got drafted to WSX.

Boris The Great
04-27-2009, 12:41 AM
Are there really hey hey hey goodbye and please retire chants post match?

Didnt hear the last one at all. Definitely the former, but not loud or anything. Probably the same handful of people booing Punk for no reason just before the end of that match.

Punk and Christian came out to help Cena, but they hardly showed it and made no mention of it. Both guys were in normal clothes, so it was hard to tell it was even them. I couldnt tell it was Punk until they did a closeup on Cena and Punks tattoos were visible.

BigRock
04-27-2009, 12:57 AM
That was a good show, although one can't quite put into words the deflating feeling of seeing Big Show run-in on what had been a really good match. That was kinda cool with the spotlight, though.

When Edge and Christian talked, I was like OH MAN HART FOUNDATION.

keg in kc
04-27-2009, 02:15 PM
Matt Hardy supposedly broke his hand last night and will be out 4-6 weeks.

Ultra Peanut
04-27-2009, 09:38 PM
- MVP YEE YEE YEE YEE YEE
- Hahahaha, Matt gets a cast gimmick! Orton is going to cunt punt him for gimmick infringement on his dad.

Ultra Peanut
04-27-2009, 09:45 PM
I just realized that we've lost like a third of the posters in the wrestling thread thanks to the rampant retardation on the Planet. Fuck.

Ultra Peanut
04-27-2009, 09:51 PM
OH MY FUCKING GOD. GO AWAY, SHANE.

/fifty minutes behind

Reaper16
04-27-2009, 09:57 PM
I just realized that we've lost like a third of the posters in the wrestling thread thanks to the rampant retardation on the Planet. Fuck.
Its a savage loss on numerous levels.

I forsook watching RAW in favor of writing a final exam. Did I miss anything?

Ultra Peanut
04-27-2009, 10:00 PM
Its a savage loss on numerous levels.

I forsook watching RAW in favor of writing a final exam. Did I miss anything?ehhhhhn

MVP was going to look legit against Orton, but then Shane got high and decided that what Raw really needed was more Orton vs. McMahons.

Haha, Miz with the tease (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7DOcHRgQMo&feature=related) using Cena's theme. "I can't see you, because your movies aren't in theaters long enough."

This is Jericho vs. Goldberg redux, hopefully allowed to conclude properly this time rather than seeing it go 95% of the way and shuffling Miz off to face the Gambler.

RUSH
04-27-2009, 10:08 PM
Orton vs. Shane next week...ooooo im soooooo excitedddd.

Raw was ghey.

Batista vs. Big Show was one of the worst matches I have seen in a while.

Ultra Peanut
04-27-2009, 10:13 PM
Oh my god, The Colons vs. Chavo/Noble (huh?) may be the most dead crowd I've seen since Braden Walker's illustrious debut.

Ultra Peanut
04-27-2009, 10:16 PM
Wow, Batista's kind of a dick. Why did he spear Show after the match was over?

Brock
04-28-2009, 04:22 PM
Looks like the Nature Boy took parenting advice from the Hulkster.

Reid Flair Arrested Again: Felony DWI, Heroin Found In His Car
By Michael Bluth
Apr 27, 2009 - 4:37:35 PM


Richard Reid Fleihr, better known as Reid Flair (son of WWE Hall of Famer Ric Flair), is in trouble with the law once again.

According to WSOCTV.com, he was arrested on Sunday and faces felony charges after Charlotte-Mecklenburg police say they found heroin inside his car. The 21 year old is also charged with driving while impaired and driving with a revoked license. He posted bail and was released on Sunday.

This is Reid Flair's third arrest in the past 2 years. He was previously arrested on on March 4th, 2009 in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina for Driving Under the Influence. He was also arrested back on June 23, 2007 for assault and battery.

Ultra Peanut
04-28-2009, 04:25 PM
Was it REALLY worth all that trouble to go see this fuckup's wrestling match, Naitch?

BigRock
04-28-2009, 04:32 PM
http://i44.tinypic.com/2zqyo36.gif

Reaper16
04-28-2009, 04:37 PM
http://i44.tinypic.com/2zqyo36.gif
I predict that this .gif will be used to great effect here on ChiefsPlanet.

Ultra Peanut
04-28-2009, 06:09 PM
Starting... NOW!

BigRock
04-28-2009, 07:12 PM
I wish it wasn't so washed looking.

chiefscafan
04-28-2009, 07:24 PM
I'm not a fan of the Miz but that writing last night where he said you're right john I can't see you cause your movies don't last long enough in theatres was priceless.

BigRock
04-28-2009, 09:52 PM
I wish it wasn't so washed looking.

I took matters into my own hands!

The difference is hardly worth the effort, but it's a little crisper looking.

http://i43.tinypic.com/244qrrl.gif

BigRock
04-29-2009, 01:24 AM
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Ultra Peanut
04-29-2009, 05:22 AM
I didn't realize why you posted that.

BigRock
04-29-2009, 09:21 AM
He's been blown away. :(

Brock
04-29-2009, 09:26 AM
Oh man, not that guy. I've been watching AWA on ESPN classics, and was always amused by Buddy Rose.

Ultra Peanut
04-29-2009, 09:26 AM
Hey BR, great job on optimizing the amazing Miz gif. I love the Miz even more now than when he was in MNM part deux.

Ultra Peanut
04-29-2009, 09:27 AM
Oh man, not that guy. I've been watching AWA on ESPN classics, and was always amused by Buddy Rose.The fuckin' beetis. :(

BigCatDaddy
04-29-2009, 09:49 AM
Oh man, not that guy. I've been watching AWA on ESPN classics, and was always amused by Buddy Rose.

I remember the WWF running some viginette advertisting the Playboy Buddy Rose diet plan. They posted the number 1-800-lard-ass to get the plan. When I called, it was some company called MARS or something.

Edit- I just called it and MARS still exist 20 years later.

Brock
04-29-2009, 10:13 AM
He was a hell of a ring technician too. Very underrated wrestler.

BigRock
04-29-2009, 12:15 PM
Hey BR, great job on optimizing the amazing Miz gif. I love the Miz even more now than when he was in MNM part deux.

I think you may be backing the wrong horse, Team Morrison. Though I've yet to see Morrison in his new home on Smackdown, and this week's show sounds pretty great.

I actually downloaded Raw and made a gif myself. I was also going to make one of where Hornswoggle popped out between the Bella twins, although I'm not sure how that would be useful in any way.

I remember the WWF running some viginette advertisting the Playboy Buddy Rose diet plan.

That sounds hilarious! Can anyone post a video?

BigRock
04-29-2009, 12:59 PM
I was also going to make one of where Hornswoggle popped out between the Bella twins, although I'm not sure how that would be useful in any way.

The changing camera angle kills it. If they'd had a constant close-up of where he pops out, this would work a lot better.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2repfrl.gif

unothadeal
05-02-2009, 01:23 PM
It's Dwayne Johnson's birthday today.

Ultra Peanut
05-02-2009, 02:31 PM
DJ here!

chiefscafan
05-02-2009, 02:42 PM
So did punk lose his case??

Way to screw over cm punk in order to push hardy I don't think wwe knows what they are doing anymore :(

chiefs1111
05-02-2009, 02:44 PM
So did punk lose his case??

Way to screw over cm punk in order to push hardy I don't think wwe knows what they are doing anymore :(

They haven't known what they're doing for about five years now at least...

Ultra Peanut
05-02-2009, 02:50 PM
The Grish said, "Since the bell never rang, CM Punk hasn't lost his shot!"

But it's Grisham, so

chiefscafan
05-02-2009, 03:02 PM
I'm so sick of jeff hardy most of the fans love CM punk but wwe doesn't reward him WWE is stale.

Ultra Peanut
05-04-2009, 09:33 PM
When Matt hit Kofi with the cast and Lawler said, "That had to hurt. That had to hurt Matt's arm BAD," I completely lost my shit.

That had to be a nod to Hogewood, right? I will accept no other reality.

Ultra Peanut
05-04-2009, 09:36 PM
Hahahaha "OOH, CHAVO!"

Ultra Peanut
05-04-2009, 09:47 PM
Lord Steven William Man's Man Regal, you are a jerk!

Also, I can't help but laugh at the "JUDGMENT DAY: 2 WEEKS AWAY" banner. Oh boy!

Ultra Peanut
05-04-2009, 09:57 PM
It makes me sad that they're going to can the Miz-Cena feud even less ceremoniously than Jericho-Goldberg because the fans didn't instantly latch onto it.

MIZ 2, CENA 0. He's gonna need a bigger armband.

Oh, balls. If Big Show attacking Cena was the big payoff I'm going to cry.

BryanBusby
05-04-2009, 10:05 PM
What a god awful Raw.

chiefs1111
05-04-2009, 10:09 PM
don't touch it man lol

Swanman
05-04-2009, 10:17 PM
I just watched the first 10 or so minutes of Raw while on the treadmill at the gym. Wow, way to bury a champ. He is having all kinds of trouble with a pudgy faggot then his boys need to make the save, and said pudgy faggot almost fought both of them off.

I really wish Orton would have just potatoed him at the beginning of the match and knocked him cold just to end the insanity with that booking.

Ultra Peanut
05-04-2009, 10:19 PM
I just watched the first 10 or so minutes of Raw while on the treadmill at the gym. Wow, way to bury a champ. He is having all kinds of trouble with a pudgy faggot then his boys need to make the save, and said pudgy faggot almost fought both of them off.No, no. You see, Legacy has made such great strides in only two months. Now they can actually subdue a pudgy 40-year-old non-wrestler when they have a two-on-one advantage! That's progress!

Swanman
05-04-2009, 10:26 PM
No, no. You see, Legacy has made such great strides in only two months. Now they can actually subdue a pudgy 40-year-old non-wrestler when they have a two-on-one advantage! That's progress!

Yeah, I guess he was whipping both of their asses earlier, so that is progress. They've gone from the bronze to the silver in the special olympics of wrestling booking.

Ultra Peanut
05-04-2009, 11:00 PM
Yeah okay, this Raw was pretty shit.

BryanBusby
05-04-2009, 11:02 PM
They had something nice going with The Miz and just had to bring in the Big Show to put the crowd to sleep with him beating on Mummy Cena. Mix in a "SURPRISE ITS JARED FROM SUBWAY LOL" and you have a rather awful show.

BigRock
05-05-2009, 12:34 AM
HOW CAN HE DO THE SHANE O'MAC DANCE WITH A BROKEN FOOT

ORTON, YOU SON OF A BITCH

Ultra Peanut
05-07-2009, 09:13 PM
There's a commercial for a prayer cross on during Impact right now. I guess their strategy is to hope that people buy them in order to pray that TNA stops being so stupid.

Ultra Peanut
05-07-2009, 09:28 PM
The only image that comes to mind when I see Christopher Daniels' mustache is him in a leather jacket at a gay BDSM club.

chiefscafan
05-07-2009, 09:30 PM
So much potential in TNA and Russo doesn't know how to book.

Ultra Peanut
05-11-2009, 09:02 PM
"It's just an exhibition, Cena, not 12 Rounds. People are actually going to see this!"

He is the Miz, and he is awesome.

Ultra Peanut
05-11-2009, 09:06 PM
3-0

Reaper16
05-11-2009, 09:09 PM
3-0
/blows nose

chiefs1111
05-11-2009, 09:18 PM
Batista wanted some alone time with Cody lol

Ultra Peanut
05-11-2009, 09:20 PM
Raw is so fucking bad these days.

chiefs1111
05-11-2009, 09:24 PM
This whole thing with"Santina" is really getting old already

big nasty kcnut
05-11-2009, 09:27 PM
I like the miz knocking cena down a peg or two.
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chiefs1111
05-11-2009, 09:31 PM
Hey did you here that? Cena said "He's gonna win!"

big nasty kcnut
05-11-2009, 09:33 PM
Great speech he sound like a bitch that cena.
Maybe he can borrow that dress of santina.
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Reaper16
05-11-2009, 09:35 PM
"... and you're black."

big nasty kcnut
05-11-2009, 09:48 PM
Ace orton told matt hardy your a pussy suck it up.
Posted via Mobile Device

big nasty kcnut
05-11-2009, 09:49 PM
Posted via Mobile Device

Ultra Peanut
05-12-2009, 09:38 PM
Next Gen Hart Foundatioooooooon

Ultra Peanut
05-12-2009, 09:45 PM
Okay, the new Zack Ryder is awesome.

BigRock
05-13-2009, 02:02 AM
All of a sudden it seems like there's potential for some decent tag matches. Well, on Superstars I guess, since few of the teams are on the same brand together.

I was like OMGZ for the Hart Attack, but really, has any tag finisher ever been lamer? Wouldn't it hurt worse just to get clotheslined and fall sharply to the mat, rather than being gingerly lowered down by the guy holding you?

big nasty kcnut
05-13-2009, 06:15 AM
El dandy i think is a hell of a technico wrestler. I wll fight him anytime
Posted via Mobile Device

Ultra Peanut
05-13-2009, 05:46 PM
Who am I to doubt him?

keg in kc
05-13-2009, 05:50 PM
I don't have much to say about wrestling right now other than Smackdown is now the A show, regardless of what Vince wants. That show's so much better than anything else WWE puts on the air right now, it's not even funny.

I just hope they don't do the rumored thing and bring Big Show and Matt Hardy back because they don't think Morrison and Punk can be established babyfaces.

That show's been money the last two weeks, either way.

Ultra Peanut
05-13-2009, 05:57 PM
Morrison being face is still such a strange concept, though.

keg in kc
05-13-2009, 05:59 PM
Morrison being face is still such a strange concept, though.It didn't help that they rushed it. He should've feuded with Miz for weeks before turning.

If they'd gone forward with the Jericho feud it might have worked better, but Jericho wanted to work with Mysterio.

Ultra Peanut
05-13-2009, 06:17 PM
It's pretty funny. On Monday night, he was as cocky and arrogant as ever. By "Friday" night, he was trying to pump up the crowd.

Ultra Peanut
05-14-2009, 09:26 PM
So they have the big reveal that Daniels isn't Suicide with Daniels running down to keep him from having his mask taken off by the MCMGs and Lethal Consequences, and Tenay's reaction is a completely deadpan sentence needling Don West about being wrong.

Even The Grish's "It's Christian. *crickets*" was more enthusiastic.

Ultra Peanut
05-14-2009, 09:42 PM
Why is Murdoch having an "I Quit" match against Booker? He's been on the show for like TWO WEEKS.

Ultra Peanut
05-14-2009, 09:45 PM
Murdoch needs to start singing.

Hey, isn't Cade coming to TNA sometime soon? I don't understand why, but I really want to see the rednecks team again. Even in that shithole company.

Ultra Peanut
05-14-2009, 09:56 PM
Showing a tour of the rinky dink place where they had most of their shows for a while really puts TNA over as a big time promotion.

Ultra Peanut
05-14-2009, 10:23 PM
Also, there's a Rev Theory ad at the bottom of this page for me. Google ads are scary.

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Reaper16
05-15-2009, 06:34 PM
BTW: http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/dirtsheet/2009/may15-21/10213768?cid=2009EP-00

Despite being on different shows, The Dirt Sheet still lives. LMAO

keg in kc
05-15-2009, 06:54 PM
How in the fuck can they have a dirt sheet with one of them heel and one of them face roflmao

Reaper16
05-15-2009, 06:59 PM
How in the fuck can they have a dirt sheet with one of them heel and one of them face roflmao
Miz: "Didn't you lose to Jericho?"

Morrison: "Didn't you lose your mom to Evan Bourne's dad?

keg in kc
05-15-2009, 07:00 PM
That was pretty funny, but the shilling for castrol was annoying.

Ultra Peanut
05-15-2009, 07:09 PM
I can never fucking see anything from WWE.com. :(

Morrison and Punk teaming is like peanut butter and something that should taste pretty good with peanut butter but also tastes pretty weird. WGTT woop woop.

Mecca
05-15-2009, 07:23 PM
Starship Pain.

Ultra Peanut
05-15-2009, 07:26 PM
My50 blows. Go HD already you low-rent fucks. This is the A-show.

Starship Pain.STARSHIP PAIN!

Morrison brings the Planet together.

Ultra Peanut
05-15-2009, 07:30 PM
Did people just pop for EDGE interrupting a promo?!

Holy shit, Jericho is god.

Reaper16
05-15-2009, 07:33 PM
"Well, I'm a 9-time world champion!" Pwnage.

Ultra Peanut
05-15-2009, 07:35 PM
Part of me really wants to see Edge turn face simply because Jericho keeps annoying the fuck out of him, and then the two could feud for a few months.

"Well, I'm a 9-time world champion!" Pwnage.Part of me was like, "DAAAAAAMN!" and part of me was like, "Aww, Jericho's the best. He deserves so many more reigns. This is bullshit. :("

Mecca
05-15-2009, 07:35 PM
Those tights make Jericho look like he's fat....trunks=not a good look.

Reaper16
05-15-2009, 07:37 PM
Part of me really wants to see Edge turn face simply because Jericho keeps annoying the fuck out of him, and then the two could feud for a few months.

Its the part that just wants to see good matches and good wrestling programming. Thankfully, Smackdown has plenty of options for those things.

Ultra Peanut
05-15-2009, 07:38 PM
Those tights make Jericho look like he's fat....trunks=not a good look.It's not that he looks fat, but his torso looks so thick with the trunks.

also wb homebwoi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC9O4hzzuHc)

Reaper16
05-15-2009, 07:41 PM
I still hate Jeff's facepaint. He looks like an associate of ICP. He could form a new Oddities stable.

Mecca
05-15-2009, 07:41 PM
When did Hardy join the ICP?

Mecca
05-15-2009, 07:41 PM
I still hate Jeff's facepaint. He looks like an associate of ICP. He could form a new Oddities stable.

We just made...the same joke at the same time.

Ultra Peanut
05-15-2009, 07:42 PM
I'd completely forgotten about Ricky Ortiz being drafted to SD.

And holy shit, the SD/ECW in Memphis in two weeks is the fucking go-home show for Extreme Rules. What a completely superfluous PPV.

Reaper16
05-15-2009, 07:42 PM
We just made...the same joke at the same time.
"Everyone come see the greatest show!"

Ultra Peanut
05-15-2009, 07:44 PM
Man, I hate ICP. Man, I hate Vampiro.

keg in kc
05-15-2009, 07:44 PM
I'd completely forgotten about Ricky Ortiz being drafted to SD.

And holy shit, the SD/ECW in Memphis in two weeks is the ****ing go-home show for Extreme Rules. What a completely superfluous PPV.Wait. Isn't there a ppv sunday? There's another one in two weeks?

Mecca
05-15-2009, 07:45 PM
This WWE has 14 PPVs instead of 12 this one coming up and Cyber Sunday basically get sandwiched in.

Ultra Peanut
05-15-2009, 07:47 PM
Wait. Isn't there a ppv sunday? There's another one in two weeks?Yes.

April 26, 2009 - Backlash
May 17, 2009 - Judgment Day
June 7, 2009 - Extreme Rules
June 28, 2009 - The Great American Bash

4 PPVs in 63 days, or roughly one PPV every two weeks.

keg in kc
05-15-2009, 07:48 PM
Good god. People who actually buy these must be in tears.

You know, I really hope Jericho wins Sunday.

Ultra Peanut
05-15-2009, 07:50 PM
Holy crap, a non-obese Hardy fan.

I think I need to go pray.

Reaper16
05-15-2009, 07:50 PM
"All these people who appreciate what I stand for"

Meth use?

Farzin
05-15-2009, 07:51 PM
My little brother just commented saying Hardy's face paint looks like one of the masks from The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask

keg in kc
05-15-2009, 07:52 PM
You know, this entire show had to be re-scripted on the fly Tuesday because Mysterio was injured, so this is as close to an unscripted WWE product as we're likely to see....ever. Jericho and Edge basically just went, as I understand it.

And it's 1000000 times better than Raw.

I wish they'd learn something from that.

But they won't.

Ultra Peanut
05-15-2009, 07:54 PM
You know, Smackdown! feels a lot like watching the first hour and a half of Nitro, with JR calling the action.

I hope Raw stays terrible forever if it means this show stays so good.

You know, this entire show had to be re-scripted on the fly Tuesday because Mysterio was injured, so this is as close to an unscripted WWE product as we're likely to see....ever. Jericho and Edge basically just went, as I understand it.

And it's 1000000 times better than Raw.

I wish they'd learn something from that.

But they won't.Seriously? This show is so pure, so bereft of bullshit, and SO GOOD.

Mecca
05-15-2009, 07:56 PM
Holy crap, a non-obese Hardy fan.

I think I need to go pray.

Ha I saw one earlier problem was I think she was about 15.

Reaper16
05-15-2009, 07:56 PM
WTF?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo_World_Order

Ultra Peanut
05-15-2009, 07:58 PM
ugggggh JCW