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keg in kc
11-28-2011, 11:39 PM
Not a bad show at all. I liked what they did with Punk. A smart babyface win.

If they're trying to make everybody hate Cena, they're doing a good job so far.

keg in kc
11-29-2011, 12:08 AM
Wish it could be Jericho coming back. The whole 1/2/2012 can be spun into spelling out Y2J. Hell, I'd rather see him and Rock. Fuck Cena. Of course Cena's where they munchkin money is. And the promo's not Jericho. Word is still that there's been some major falling out.

keg in kc
11-29-2011, 09:06 PM
If the point of that was to reinforce to the audience that Bryan is not a title contender, than job well done, WWE. Job well done.

big nasty kcnut
11-29-2011, 09:13 PM
I thought they booked him strong considering he lost the match. You did see the crowd reaction they love him so watch for him to be in a good fued before his wrestlemania match.

58kcfan89
11-30-2011, 01:09 PM
Not a bad show at all. I liked what they did with Punk. A smart babyface win.

If they're trying to make everybody hate Cena, they're doing a good job so far.

Loved the Eddie reference during the Punk-Del Taco match. Thought it was a good match and I can see that they're trying to do a mini-Austin vs. McMahon thing with Punk/Funkman.

I actually love what they're doing with Cena. Thought that segment with Piper was great and I hope they're doing a slow-burn heel turn with him. Even if it doesn't pay off with a heel turn, it's nice to see some kind of character development with the guy. Much better than "CENA ANGRY, CENA WANT TITLE!"

Wish it could be Jericho coming back. The whole 1/2/2012 can be spun into spelling out Y2J. Hell, I'd rather see him and Rock. **** Cena. Of course Cena's where they munchkin money is. And the promo's not Jericho. Word is still that there's been some major falling out.

Damn. I was really hoping to see Punk vs. Jericho at Mania. Still think Punk vs. Rock would be much better than Rock-Cena.

Punk's BITW shirt is outselling any of Cena's shit. At least it was before he came out with the new shirt, not sure if it still is.

If the point of that was to reinforce to the audience that Bryan is not a title contender, than job well done, WWE. Job well done.

I didn't watch Smackdown, I'm assuming he got smashed by Henry? I really liked the segment on Monday with D-Bry, Cole & Henry. Guess it was a fluke....

Swanman
11-30-2011, 02:12 PM
This video brought to you by the best tag team in the business:

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Reaper16
11-30-2011, 02:46 PM
"Del Taco?" I mean, really?

58kcfan89
11-30-2011, 02:57 PM
"Del Taco?" I mean, really?

He's a walking stereotype and I calls em like I sees em.

When he was talking with Laraunitis on Monday, you could hear him talking without the Mexican accent, then a few seconds later he turned on the Mexican accent.

58kcfan89
12-05-2011, 09:20 PM
This hasn't been a great show, but I'm actually liking what they're doing with Cena. It's unpredictable and I've got a feeling they're actually going somewhere with it.

And I haven't even seen Punk yet....

NJChiefsFan
12-13-2011, 03:31 AM
Did anybody else think Punk's part at the podium was really bad tonight? He seems off recently.

The entire show was really bad overall, not really shocking. Kane with a mask, only took how many years to get the better Kane back...

big nasty kcnut
12-13-2011, 04:51 AM
i liked the punk bit finally exposing mr. excitement.

loochy
12-13-2011, 09:42 AM
Wow the new double masked Kane looks pretty badass!

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NJChiefsFan
12-16-2011, 12:23 AM
i liked the punk bit finally exposing mr. excitement.

The video itself was funny. The set up to it was awkward. Punk had the balls comments going for a while, but he doesn't have the gold timing he thinks he does. I like him, don't get me wrong. Personally, after watching the video of all his sayings all year, R-Truth was my favorite wrestler this year.

58kcfan89
12-16-2011, 12:34 AM
Did anybody else think Punk's part at the podium was really bad tonight? He seems off recently.

The entire show was really bad overall, not really shocking. Kane with a mask, only took how many years to get the better Kane back...

Wasn't any worse than the rest of the show IMO.

i liked the punk bit finally exposing mr. excitement.

I thought it was funny, too. Loved the video.

The video itself was funny. The set up to it was awkward. Punk had the balls comments going for a while, but he doesn't have the gold timing he thinks he does. I like him, don't get me wrong. Personally, after watching the video of all his sayings all year, R-Truth was my favorite wrestler this year.

Truth had an underrated year, no doubt.

As for Punk, take into account what he's working with right now. He's been working with Del Rio (who's boring as hell and the feud just sucks in general), Miz (who no one can take serious as this badass heel) and Lauranitis (who, while the perfect authority figure for Punk, they can't really cut a promo of any worthwhile length together).

If they give Punk an actually decent wrestler to feud with & see if you enjoy it a bit more. Personally, I think he's fine. But I'm also biased....

BTW, watched Impact off & on tonight. Holy jeez it was bad. Not sure how anyone watches that consistently.

NJChiefsFan
12-16-2011, 12:48 AM
Wasn't any worse than the rest of the show IMO.



I thought it was funny, too. Loved the video.



Truth had an underrated year, no doubt.

As for Punk, take into account what he's working with right now. He's been working with Del Rio (who's boring as hell and the feud just sucks in general), Miz (who no one can take serious as this badass heel) and Lauranitis (who, while the perfect authority figure for Punk, they can't really cut a promo of any worthwhile length together).

If they give Punk an actually decent wrestler to feud with & see if you enjoy it a bit more. Personally, I think he's fine. But I'm also biased....

BTW, watched Impact off & on tonight. Holy jeez it was bad. Not sure how anyone watches that consistently.

Thats true about who he has been working with. My friends and I gave Impact a try for a while but once the Hogan turn happened we couldn't take it anymore.

"just sit around the conspiracy table, conspiring." Truth

58kcfan89
12-16-2011, 12:52 PM
When Little Jimmy comes marching home.... Probably the most I've ever laughed at a Raw segment.

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NJChiefsFan
12-16-2011, 02:27 PM
When Little Jimmy comes marching home.... Probably the most I've ever laughed at a Raw segment.

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LMAO That was the segment that sealed it for me. After that I was all in on Truth. The fact that its how he interupts Austin is even better. Listening to the entire thing he says makes me laugh my ass off.

Superturtle
12-16-2011, 02:34 PM
Im pretty sure no one else could pull that off so perfectly.

58kcfan89
12-16-2011, 03:24 PM
I GOT OKIE DOKED BY LITTLE JIMMY!

Pisses me off that they made this hilarious character, gave him some credibility & just fed him to Cena in like 5 minutes at the worst PPV of the year. Would love to see him with a WHC run on Smackdown when he gets back from the suspension.

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58kcfan89
12-16-2011, 11:56 PM
Retarded Henry, bad guy lawyer hair, beating the living shit out of Twitter, cmpgofuckyourself

Awesome.

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Ultra Peanut
12-18-2011, 09:56 PM
So the WWE title match was the first wrestling I've seen in like two months, but apparently CM Punk and Bryan Danielson are the WWE's top two champions. YAY INTERNET

Also, Punk/Del Rio/Miz was entertaining and made me contemplate watching more! Hurrah.

Superturtle
12-18-2011, 10:12 PM
Yeah, internet champions galore. Ryder, Punk, and Bryan are all champions now.

keg in kc
12-19-2011, 12:27 PM
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58kcfan89
12-19-2011, 12:38 PM
Figures. That was the first PPV I didn't watch (except the very beginning) in awhile and all the reviews seem pretty positive.

Glad Punk retained, glad D-Bry gets a title run, really happy Ryder finally got his, too. Just hope this isn't a 3-week pity reign for Bryan & Ryder (I think at this point, WWE is firmly behind Punk, I'm not so confident they think very highly of Bryan & Ryder).

Really surprised Cena & Kane didn't do anything last night, but maybe it showed that they don't need frickin' Cena in the main event of every show to get people interested.

Reaper16
12-19-2011, 01:33 PM
I hope that Ziggler losing the U.S. title means a promotion to the main event scene.

58kcfan89
12-19-2011, 02:08 PM
I think it does. They've been giving him a lot more time, both on the mic & in the ring (before last night, he wrestled 2 matches at like 4 of the last 5 PPVs or something) and he seems to be getting over quite a bit (although Vickie definitely helps).

I don't know if he'll be in a world title match at Mania, but it wouldn't totally shock me.

keg in kc
12-19-2011, 06:34 PM
I don't think they'll ever position Danielson to be a real main eventer, but it would be great if they could use this as a move toward making an upper-mid-carder out of him. He could be a great Benoit-style heel, I think. Although I assume he'll just get fed to Orton for his twelve-hundredth title reign.

Don't really care about Ryder. Hopefully they do elevate Ziggler. Although he still has a stupid ****ing name.

Nice to see Punk retain, sounds like it was a fantastic match.

I think I may actually watch Raw tonight.

chiefscafan
12-19-2011, 09:03 PM
I'm sick of the PG cena he needs to turn heel won't happen though

Superturtle
12-19-2011, 09:13 PM
Kane is awesome.

chiefscafan
12-19-2011, 09:16 PM
Yep dominating Kane is so much better

Superturtle
12-19-2011, 09:32 PM
I think Cena legitimately was about to pass out.

Freekofnature
12-19-2011, 11:03 PM
just wow at this thread...

keg in kc
12-19-2011, 11:14 PM
Beginning and end tonight were all sorts of awesome.

chiefscafan
12-19-2011, 11:18 PM
Loved the end exciting and not the same boring crap Cole is still anoying

Superturtle
12-19-2011, 11:21 PM
Cole needs to GTFO. He isn't booed because he is a good heel, he is legitimately annoying. I'm tempted to change the channel every time he splatters his verbal diahrea.

NJChiefsFan
12-20-2011, 01:41 AM
As others have said, hopefully this gets Ziggler up to the main event level, even if it means waiting until after Mania to be full time.

I am not really big on Ryder, but he seems to be a good wrestler and loves the business. With Cena and Punk behind him, I doubt he is going anywhere.

Also, as mentioned, masked Kane. They shouldn't have taken this long. Dark Kane and Taker was one of the best story lines ever. Its not like dark has to be PG 14. No reason it should have taken this long.

Cole needs to GTFO. He isn't booed because he is a good heel, he is legitimately annoying. I'm tempted to change the channel every time he splatters his verbal diahrea.

He is too far over the top. I like a bunch of the guys he does, but he is way too much.

Swanman
12-20-2011, 08:37 AM
Cole needs to GTFO. He isn't booed because he is a good heel, he is legitimately annoying. I'm tempted to change the channel every time he splatters his verbal diahrea.

We are going to have to change the term XPac heat to Cole heat at the current pace.

keg in kc
12-20-2011, 11:19 AM
What Cole does is counter-productive. They're trying to sell these guys as legit and he's constantly burying them. And I've never heard any show, much less a wrestling promotion, bury itself the way he does. He was even calling Ryder a nerd last night because he was a WWE fan growing up. Great message to what they apparently see as their primary audience, the kids. Don't buy our merchandise and don't wear it to school, because it's not cool. Wait, what?

keg in kc
12-20-2011, 11:29 AM
So it looks like the promo last night had the name "chris" x-d out on the cover of the notebook. So the idea that the boy represents jericho and the girl represents punk is building some steam.

That could be an amazing mania program...

Superturtle
12-20-2011, 11:32 AM
So 3 main events are pretty much set for Mania. Cena-Rock, Taker-HHH, and Jericho-Punk for the WWE title. That leaves only the World Heavyweight Championship match and barring Jericho winning the rumble it looks like the challenger will come from there. Will Bryan actually hold the belt that long?

Reaper16
12-20-2011, 11:37 AM
So 3 main events are pretty much set for Mania. Cena-Rock, Taker-HHH, and Jericho-Punk for the WWE title. That leaves only the World Heavyweight Championship match and barring Jericho winning the rumble it looks like the challenger will come from there. Will Bryan actually hold the belt that long?
Taker-HHH? UGH. If I were WWE this is what I'd do (and I think this has a good shot at actually happening):

Taker vs Kane III. It's going to be Undertaker's last match. Might was well be Kane's last match too, though that's not necessary. The match and its build-up can be dark, epic, and still be rated TV-14.

keg in kc
12-20-2011, 12:20 PM
No way Bryan holds the title that long. If they want to build him into something though, have him drop it around or shortly after the Rumble, chase all the way to Mania and then have him win it back there.

Unfortunately I see him in some "also ran" match like the MitB.

Superturtle
12-20-2011, 12:37 PM
I didn't say I liked HHH-Taker but as of now WWE has that penciled in for Mania. I believe it should be Take-Barrett to continue that storyline from nexus. Maybe have Taker cost Barrett the Rumble when he comes back.

58kcfan89
12-20-2011, 12:44 PM
Thought it was a decent show, I love the "New Era" idea, but I have my doubts that Bryan sticks around the ME long-term. Like was mentioned earlier, he can easily be the Benoit-type (minus the obvious...thing...) wrestler of this generation.

So it looks like the promo last night had the name "chris" x-d out on the cover of the notebook. So the idea that the boy represents jericho and the girl represents punk is building some steam.

That could be an amazing mania program...

:drool:

I might actually pay for the PPV just for that match. 2 of my favorites.

Taker-HHH? UGH. If I were WWE this is what I'd do (and I think this has a good shot at actually happening):

Taker vs Kane III. It's going to be Undertaker's last match. Might was well be Kane's last match too, though that's not necessary. The match and its build-up can be dark, epic, and still be rated TV-14.

I'll be honest, I'd just get a young heel who needs some heat (Del Rio, Barrett, etc.) and have them break the streak. Instant credibility & overness. Remember how Jericho was able to bring up the Undisputed Title about 6 or 7 years after the fact?

Won't ever happen, though. At this point, I'm tired of the Undertaker & the "come back for Wrestlemania, leave for the next year" thing... But I guess he won't be around much longer so I can stand it.

No way Bryan holds the title that long. If they want to build him into something though, have him drop it around or shortly after the Rumble, chase all the way to Mania and then have him win it back there.

Unfortunately I see him in some "also ran" match like the MitB.

Yeah, I think this is how a lot of people see him long-term. One thing that I think will help him is the fact that Punk is a good friend. I really think creative/Vince/whoever is getting behind Punk as the #1 face & are starting to take some of his advice.

I'm not saying his friendship with Punk will keep him in the main event long-term, but I don't think this is going to be his only WHC title reign...

Superturtle
12-20-2011, 12:57 PM
Bryan NEEDS to be turned heel. He is an amazing wrestler but his promo skills are awful. He still isn't getting that great of a crowd reaction and they were in Philadelphia.

Swanman
12-20-2011, 01:04 PM
Bryan NEEDS to be turned heel. He is an amazing wrestler but his promo skills are awful. He still isn't getting that great of a crowd reaction and they were in Philadelphia.

He was amazing in his heel title run in ROH several years ago. He had that Flair-like quality where every single title match you really thought he was going to drop the strap but he would come out the victor in the end. And he really had some great chickenshit wins during that reign, a hallmark of a heel champion (as long as you have enough clean wins). Add to the fact that he was positively hatable with his smug demeanor as champ, it all worked perfectly.

chiefscafan
12-20-2011, 01:45 PM
I think Daniel Bryan would be awesome as a heel with Bella twins on each arm. Have him cheat against a good guy and make an apology to Cole and say he was right bout him but now he will wrestle for his respect. That will be enough to turn fans on him.

Ultra Peanut
12-21-2011, 01:17 PM
NEW BLOOD RISING

That was Raw's most satisfying opening segment since, like, 1997. So glorious. The rest of the show was mostly enjoyable, too, and the main event was six promising young guys being treated mostly like a big deal (Cole's bizarreness aside) and then Bryan gets the win MARKING OUT.

I'm sure everyone's seen this by now, but for posterity:

http://i.imgur.com/0PdSp.jpg

big nasty kcnut
12-21-2011, 01:43 PM
Live from Philadelphia the entertainment capital of this state!

58kcfan89
12-21-2011, 02:05 PM
NEW BLOOD RISING

That was Raw's most satisfying opening segment since, like, 1997. So glorious. The rest of the show was mostly enjoyable, too, and the main event was six promising young guys being treated mostly like a big deal (Cole's bizarreness aside) and then Bryan gets the win MARKING OUT.

I'm sure everyone's seen this by now, but for posterity:

http://i.imgur.com/0PdSp.jpg

I never get tired of seeing that. And for those who don't have Twitter/don't give a shit about it, here's what Punk tweeted early Monday morning:

Very proud right now. Proud of @WWEDanielBryan proud of @ZackRyder proud of my crew of young, talented hard workers. @findevan @TrueKofi... ...and a ton of others. Tonight was a great step toward the future of the wrestling business. That change I've been talking about? Started.

My march to Wrestlemania doesn't begin after the rumble. It's starts today. You're in or you're out. If you're out, you'll be left behind.

If you can't get behind this, you will be left behind.

http://twitter.com/#!/CMPunk/status/148656317035327489
http://twitter.com/#!/CMPunk/status/148656782070390784
http://twitter.com/#!/CMPunk/status/148657245092184064
http://twitter.com/#!/CMPunk/status/148939460514562049

58kcfan89
12-24-2011, 01:32 AM
http://taimapedia.org/index.php?title=LOLTNA_History

Just stumbled on it. Holy crap this is hilarious.

NJChiefsFan
12-24-2011, 02:05 AM
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:drool:Won't ever happen, though. At this point, I'm tired of the Undertaker & the "come back for Wrestlemania, leave for the next year" thing... But I guess he won't be around much longer so I can stand it.
...

Thing is that old Kane has so much build up to him. Hard to create that again. I still think, when its said and done, Taker's final Mania match will be against Cena. Next year I suppose, unless Taker can live long enough to make WM30 at MSG. That would be sick for me, since I would be able to go.

58kcfan89
12-24-2011, 02:21 AM
Thing is that old Kane has so much build up to him. Hard to create that again. I still think, when its said and done, Taker's final Mania match will be against Cena. Next year I suppose, unless Taker can live long enough to make WM30 at MSG. That would be sick for me, since I would be able to go.

I dunno, I think this is going to be his last one (28 in Miami) and he'll be done at 20-0. He's obviously wearing down & 20's a nice number to finish on.

If he goes all the way to WM 30, I'm pretty sure he'd be 50. That's a long time to be wrestling, even if it's just 1 match per year...

And if WM 30 is in MSG, I may just say screw it & go. I love NYC & would love to take a visit there to see a WM & MSG in 1 trip.

Ultra Peanut
12-25-2011, 05:41 PM
I watched almost all of Smackdown yesterday, because I wanted to see how they handled Bryan-as-champ. I thought it was Very Competent, and the chemistry between Danielson and Ziggler is off the charts. And they ran a video package that made Team Internet look so darn legit, my god.

Plus Car-KO Jr! Remarkably fun show that made me want to watch wrestling. Or maybe I was just high.

Superturtle
12-26-2011, 09:09 PM
Truth is back. Gave the water bottle of doom to the Miz

keg in kc
12-27-2011, 04:10 AM
The way they ended the Punk gauntlet and then having Cena and Kane end the show was just fucking retarded.

big nasty kcnut
12-27-2011, 04:49 AM
Well Funkman needed to be a real heel and that proves it. Also set up the return of jericho.

Superturtle
12-28-2011, 08:07 PM
Orton is injured and will be out for 6 months. Back injury apparently.

big nasty kcnut
12-28-2011, 08:18 PM
Time for a shemus push and d bry vs. barrett match yes please.

Superturtle
01-02-2012, 08:26 PM
Oh god. R Truth is hilarious.

4th and Long
01-02-2012, 09:41 PM
Jericho lives.
Posted via Mobile Device

Superturtle
01-02-2012, 09:46 PM
Looks like no Brodus Clay.

Simplicity
01-02-2012, 09:48 PM
Everyone does realize everything to do with WWE is setup right?

58kcfan89
01-02-2012, 09:48 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA OMG that was awesome.

I'm pretty sure Jericho's Twitter Trolling is his new gimmick...

chiefscafan
01-02-2012, 10:02 PM
I have a feeling Jericho is gonna be like I own you fans look how I manipulated you. Is it me or is this Memphis crowd dead

58kcfan89
01-02-2012, 10:37 PM
I have a feeling Jericho is gonna be like I own you fans look how I manipulated you. Is it me or is this Memphis crowd dead

Crowd seemed pretty meh, except for Cena, Punk's entrance & the Jericho thing.

But damn, that Jericho segment was awesome. I was hoping if he was going to be a face that we'd get the CM Punk "You stupid old man, I'm a snake" heel turn to feud with him, but this Trolling gimmick could be even better.

Either way, I really hope we get a Jericho/Punk feud going into Mania.

Rest of the show was pretty lame. Love how they book R-Truth's water bottle better than 90% of the roster.

chiefscafan
01-03-2012, 09:18 AM
But how is a plastic water bottle suppose to hurt?? Cena is really starting to annoy me though. They need to do something with him quick.

loochy
01-03-2012, 09:24 AM
But how is a plastic water bottle suppose to hurt?? Cena is really starting to annoy me though. They need to do something with him quick.

Just have someone come out and throw him into Kane's flaming hole in the middle of the ring. :thumb:

chiefscafan
01-03-2012, 09:50 AM
We could only hope that happens. One more time he tells a jole and Jerry lawler has to pretend it's hilarious will be it for me with him. They are really turning what fans he has left against him. Reminds me how hogan was right before the NWO

keg in kc
01-03-2012, 10:03 AM
The Jericho segment was awesome, although I was beginning to wonder if they'd ever figure out what he was doing and start booing.

It should have ended the show though. They won't do the overrun with anybody but Cena now, though, and this Kane stuff is just god awful.

I like what they're doing with Punk and Johnny Ace, but this is two weeks in a row with absolutely horrendous finishes. First he breaks the Anaconda Vice when (logically) he could just hold it forever, and then he can't get back in the ring after a top-rop dive. Which makes him look stupid on one hand, and weak with the other. But it's nit-picking. Ziggler should be in the title picture, and Punk will eventually come out on top, and then somehow start mixing things up with Jericho. I just wish they would smarten-up with the booking.

But Cena, jesus god, enough already. The only hope for any of this is that they're turning him heel at Wrestlemania, where apparently, the plan according to Meltzer is to give him the win over the Rock. And there's no way in the world to do that in Miami without getting booed.

Swanman
01-04-2012, 11:27 AM
The Jericho segment was awesome, although I was beginning to wonder if they'd ever figure out what he was doing and start booing.

It should have ended the show though. They won't do the overrun with anybody but Cena now, though, and this Kane stuff is just god awful.

I like what they're doing with Punk and Johnny Ace, but this is two weeks in a row with absolutely horrendous finishes. First he breaks the Anaconda Vice when (logically) he could just hold it forever, and then he can't get back in the ring after a top-rop dive. Which makes him look stupid on one hand, and weak with the other. But it's nit-picking. Ziggler should be in the title picture, and Punk will eventually come out on top, and then somehow start mixing things up with Jericho. I just wish they would smarten-up with the booking.

But Cena, jesus god, enough already. The only hope for any of this is that they're turning him heel at Wrestlemania, where apparently, the plan according to Meltzer is to give him the win over the Rock. And there's no way in the world to do that in Miami without getting booed.

The booking of Johnny Ace is just maddening. He should be a pure heel GM based on his prior antics with Punk. However, he spends half the show doing face things like booking Miz in a match with Sheamus and talking shit to Miz about Truth. It's almost TNA-like.

58kcfan89
01-04-2012, 01:08 PM
The Jericho segment was awesome, although I was beginning to wonder if they'd ever figure out what he was doing and start booing.

It should have ended the show though. They won't do the overrun with anybody but Cena now, though, and this Kane stuff is just god awful.

I like what they're doing with Punk and Johnny Ace, but this is two weeks in a row with absolutely horrendous finishes. First he breaks the Anaconda Vice when (logically) he could just hold it forever, and then he can't get back in the ring after a top-rop dive. Which makes him look stupid on one hand, and weak with the other. But it's nit-picking. Ziggler should be in the title picture, and Punk will eventually come out on top, and then somehow start mixing things up with Jericho. I just wish they would smarten-up with the booking.

But Cena, jesus god, enough already. The only hope for any of this is that they're turning him heel at Wrestlemania, where apparently, the plan according to Meltzer is to give him the win over the Rock. And there's no way in the world to do that in Miami without getting booed.

I agree with everything for the most part, except the annoying shit with Cena seems to be the point. Trying to make it obvious that he's not universally loved anymore & slowly turning him (or at least I ****ing hope so)... And I liked Kane's promo last week (although it shouldn't have ended the show and it went on too long) but the ZOMG HEZ UNDER TEH RING! thing is way too over the top.

I heard a few fans finally get smart & boo Jericho. But it's Memphis. When it comes to wrestling fans, it's pretty much a bigger Wichita. And I can tell you that Wichita wrestling fans SUCK. I'm willing to bet it'll all get cleared up by the Rumble.

And the booking wasn't great, but I can live with it. They have kinda made Punk look stupid the last few weeks but unless you want Ziggler to go over clean (they don't), it's about the only way to logically have Punk go down. I'm glad Ziggler's getting a main event shot and it wouldn't surprise me to see him in the Rumble match and be one of the final 4 or so, too.

The booking of Johnny Ace is just maddening. He should be a pure heel GM based on his prior antics with Punk. However, he spends half the show doing face things like booking Miz in a match with Sheamus and talking shit to Miz about Truth. It's almost TNA-like.

Haha this is true. I love the way they've had him interact with Punk, but the rest of it is pretty crazy. I think the idea is that in his mind, he's giving the fans what they want while trying to screw over Punk...

NJChiefsFan
01-05-2012, 03:55 AM
I really hope they don't turn Truth full face. He was my favorite character of 2011.

Kinda wanted Jericho to turn full heel at the end there but so-be-it.

Cena certainly is an over-actor with this Kane crap, but man what a thing it would be if Cena turned. They were subtle at first, kinda wish they kept it that way. Long way to go, no need to rush it.

keg in kc
01-05-2012, 07:46 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/gYD-6QbF6Pw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Sofa King
01-05-2012, 09:09 AM
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/screenshots/189146d1322080555-animated-gif-thread-entrance-fail.gif

NJChiefsFan
01-06-2012, 12:45 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/gYD-6QbF6Pw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

That may have been better than the promo itself.

58kcfan89
01-06-2012, 12:57 AM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/gYD-6QbF6Pw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

24 seconds in ROFL

NJChiefsFan
01-06-2012, 03:17 AM
24 seconds in ROFL

Gold.

Captain Obvious
01-09-2012, 10:00 PM
"Somebody call my momma...."

58kcfan89
01-09-2012, 10:54 PM
"Somebody call my momma...."

That was awesome. Pretty stupid. But awesome.

Felt like kind of a meh show. Good match between Thwagger & Punk, but this whole Kane thing is getting a bit overdone. I like his promos, but jeez, it seemed like every other segment involved Ryder, Cena, Eve, and/or Kane...

I kinda like the idea of a Ryder/Eve pairing, but if all they're gunna do is have Kane stalk them the whole time, it'll get really repetitive really quick. Love Jeritroll, though.

And I feel like we've seen this Truth vs. Miz feud before...

Captain Obvious
01-09-2012, 11:14 PM
Truth is the best thing on WWE TV as far as I'm concerned. He just cracks me up.

BigRock
01-09-2012, 11:43 PM
Best censor ever:

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2439/kellybrodus.jpg

NJChiefsFan
01-10-2012, 02:00 AM
Truth is the best thing on WWE TV as far as I'm concerned. He just cracks me up.

And it seems WWE is going to slowly ruin it as he turns more and more face.

big nasty kcnut
01-10-2012, 03:06 AM
I don't think so i think he'll be a tweener. Also Zac ryder need to learn how to change a flat.

NJChiefsFan
01-10-2012, 03:31 AM
I don't think so i think he'll be a tweener. Also Zac ryder need to learn how to change a flat.

Haha yeah my friends and I were yelling at him about that. I liked how Kane waited until he was finished to attack him.

Truth does still mock the "good R-Truth" stuff but I loved his heel character so much. Favorite 2011 wrestler. I just don't even like how he plays along with the "Little Jimmys" or how he has kind of become some-what sane. I want the Confederate R-Truth.

Superturtle
01-10-2012, 07:16 AM
Funkasaurus...

keg in kc
01-16-2012, 08:42 PM
After last week (seriously, that whole episode was like a highlight reel of the shit that embarrasses me as a rasslin fan) today's episode's been great so far. Foley/Ziggler/Punk at the beginning was perfect.

It's like they know football season's over and people will be watching again.

Captain Obvious
01-16-2012, 09:05 PM
I don't know what is better, Truth's segment or Mr. Belding behind the announcers.

"I don't even know if that's PG."

Superturtle
01-16-2012, 09:14 PM
Its toned down, but he can still be an effective lunatic and be face.

keg in kc
01-16-2012, 09:35 PM
I can't stand Truth. I thought he was the low point of the show. Until the girls and Perez Hilton came out. Although I did laugh at the PG line.

I didn't think this last week when he debuted, but Brodus Clay might actually work if they let him keep squashing people.

I actually kind of liked what they did with Cena this week. I feel dirty just saying that. But he's still not turning, which means it's all pointless.

keg in kc
01-16-2012, 09:53 PM
lmao Jericho is awesome.

loochy
01-16-2012, 09:53 PM
ROFL @ Jericho. Also ROFL at the stupid crowd getting played.

keg in kc
01-16-2012, 09:57 PM
I legit wasn't sure what he was going to do. It was perfect, though. Too early to attack Punk.

Speaking of Punk, he's a star now. He's getting huge reactions. House show reports now have him more popular than Cena, and he's moving merchandise, too, although obviously not at Cena's level.

keg in kc
01-16-2012, 09:58 PM
I think I like what they're doing with Bryan, but I don't have any faith they'll stick with it, as underwhelming as his crowd reactions are.

Be nice if they hadn't beaten him constantly for years.

Captain Obvious
01-16-2012, 10:07 PM
Welcome back, interesting CM Punk.

keg in kc
01-16-2012, 10:10 PM
That closing segment was awesome...

...until CM Punk left the ring.

But still didn't end too bad.

loochy
01-16-2012, 10:15 PM
That closing segment was awesome...

...until CM Punk left the ring.

But still didn't end too bad.

I need more "Kane sucking people under the ring" in my closing segments

58kcfan89
01-16-2012, 10:24 PM
I legit wasn't sure what he was going to do. It was perfect, though. Too early to attack Punk.

Speaking of Punk, he's a star now. He's getting huge reactions. House show reports now have him more popular than Cena, and he's moving merchandise, too, although obviously not at Cena's level.

Crazy, considering he's only really been at it for about 6 months, isn't it?

That closing segment was awesome...

...until CM Punk left the ring.

But still didn't end too bad.

Yeah, definitely need more of that Punk instead of the forced face version.

I didn't mind how Johnny snapped, but it woulda been cool if Punk had at least been on the ramp so we could have gotten his reaction. I'm curious to see how Punk keeps the belt at the Rumble.

I'm a big Foley mark, so I'm glad he's back. I'd love to see him put on another great hardcore match (I watch his WM22 match with Edge at least once every couple months) in Miami.

ROFL @ Funkasaurus

and Jericho LMAO ROFL

I don't know who that douchebag was during the divas tag match, but that needs to never happen again. Speaking of divas, where the hell is Beth?

Overall, I thought it was a pretty solid show. Loved the Punk rant, I'll probably be watching it again soon.

keg in kc
01-16-2012, 10:46 PM
Punk's rant was great. They need more of that.

I can't wait until the feud with Jericho starts. Those two might well steal the show.

58kcfan89
01-16-2012, 10:48 PM
Punk's rant was great. They need more of that.

I can't wait until the feud with Jericho starts. Those two might well steal the show.

Might? I'm expecting them to. :thumb:

Reaper16
01-16-2012, 10:49 PM
Johnny Ace has been money.

NJChiefsFan
01-17-2012, 12:37 AM
Well they are killing R-Truth more and more. Why even mess with his great heel character? Ugh that pisses me off. For whatever reason, Lauranitus is growing on me. His delivery, or lack there of, makes me laugh. I think he is playing his part very well.

Jericho with another amusing play on the crowd. I like Ziggler, so happy he is starting to work better on the mic.

Superturtle
01-17-2012, 10:41 AM
Evan bourne got suspended again. 60 days this time. Lol.

loochy
01-17-2012, 11:00 AM
Evan bourne got suspended again. 60 days this time. Lol.

I knew there had to be something up when they made them lose the titles at a house show.

NJChiefsFan
01-17-2012, 06:50 PM
Leeetle Evan Bourne.

By the way, is Mic serious with the name of his kids.

58kcfan89
01-23-2012, 09:17 PM
My God, please tell me someone else saw that stupid Cena seizure at the camera after that 15 minute long SNOOZEFEST Kane-Ryder "match." That was wrestlecrap.


http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/984/cenamadface.jpg


:facepalm:

Simplicity
01-23-2012, 09:32 PM
WWE = Facepalm

58kcfan89
01-23-2012, 09:50 PM
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lya7u83LLY1qhr01io1_400.gif

15 minute or so left & we still need to finish Truth vs. Miz and get Punk-Johnny...

keg in kc
01-24-2012, 12:16 PM
Horrendous raw.

durtyrute
01-24-2012, 12:26 PM
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lya7u83LLY1qhr01io1_400.gif

15 minute or so left & we still need to finish Truth vs. Miz and get Punk-Johnny...

I used to watch Real World a long ass time ago and I remember that guy was on there talking about how one day he wanted to wrestle. He used to do the whole Miz act and all and now he is actually doing. Cool shit!

durtyrute
01-24-2012, 12:26 PM
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lya7u83LLY1qhr01io1_400.gif

15 minute or so left & we still need to finish Truth vs. Miz and get Punk-Johnny...

I used to watch Real World a long ass time ago and I remember that guy was on there talking about how one day he wanted to wrestle. He used to do the whole Miz act and all and now he is actually doing it. Cool shit!

durtyrute
01-24-2012, 12:27 PM
This whole time I thought this thread was about Kyle Orton not WWF/WWE.

loochy
01-24-2012, 01:22 PM
This whole time I thought this thread was about Kyle Orton not WWF/WWE.

Rasslin' Has. A. Neckbeard.

58kcfan89
01-25-2012, 11:07 PM
Hope this works... basically 50 minutes of CM Punk talking. Hell yes.

EDIT: Dammit, can't get it to embed.

http://98kupd.com/podcast-holmbergs-morning-sickness

Click that ^.

Scroll down to the video player. Click "MORE"

"Interviews: Audio"

First video with "CMPunk-instudio"

Ultra Peanut
01-29-2012, 09:02 PM
Ricardowns

Ultra Peanut
01-29-2012, 09:19 PM
That Kofi spot was fun. Also Hacksaw's gut is hypnotic.

Aww man, Kong should've eliminated like six more dudes at least. That was the first time I've seen her in WWE.

58kcfan89
01-29-2012, 09:49 PM
NO!

NO NO NO NO NO!

DAMMIT!

It was supposed to be Jericho!

...


Crap.

Captain Obvious
01-29-2012, 09:49 PM
Meh...I guess Punk-Jericho could set themselves up for a match pretty easily, but Sheamus-Bryan just doesn't excite me. And that about has to be what they go with. Unless Bryan loses in the Elimination Chamber.

58kcfan89
01-29-2012, 09:53 PM
Meh...I guess Punk-Jericho could set themselves up for a match pretty easily, but Sheamus-Bryan just doesn't excite me. And that about has to be what they go with. Unless Bryan loses in the Elimination Chamber.

I'm sure he will. They're not gunna have a Mania where both Cena and Orton aren't in a title match....

Ultra Peanut
01-29-2012, 10:18 PM
Parts of that were pretty decent, I guess!

zonachief
01-29-2012, 10:28 PM
I'm sure he will. They're not gunna have a Mania where both Cena and Orton aren't in a title match....

Yeah...except for last year. And the year before that.....

Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk

NJChiefsFan
01-29-2012, 10:48 PM
I'm sure he will. They're not gunna have a Mania where both Cena and Orton aren't in a title match....

Yeah Orton vs. Sheamus.

Does anyone have a list of the entire RR match. How many freaking crap wrestlers were in it. I wish they spent a moment on it like they did thinking about the final 2 battle.

Great move by Kofi, to me worlds better than Morrison's move. The Morrison move is something any athletic person could do with a bunch of practice(although maybe not on the spot like that). Kofi's move was sick.

58kcfan89
01-29-2012, 10:49 PM
Yeah...except for last year. And the year before that.....

Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk

I meant a Mania where both Cena and Orton are outside the title pictures.

Hell, the last Mania that didn't have Cena in a freaking title match was WM 20. Scratch that, he was in the US Title match...........

I guess Orton hasn't been there nearly as often, but I'm sick of him anyway. And I really have no desire to see Sheamus in one of the main event spots, but I guess he's over so I can understand it. Kinda weird that Sheamus vs. Bryan was the dark match last year at Mania.

If we still get Punk vs. Jericho, I'll be happy. But that was a lackluster Rumble.

keg in kc
01-29-2012, 10:50 PM
Reading the highlights, I'm glad I didn't waste the effort of finding a way to watch that.

Sounds like Vince really mismanaged Jericho in his effort to swerve the internet. Not winning is fine. But saying it was going to be "the end of the world" and then delivering absolutely nothing?

NJChiefsFan
01-29-2012, 10:50 PM
But that was a lackluster Rumble.

Yes. What a weak Rumble card.

58kcfan89
01-29-2012, 10:54 PM
Yeah Orton vs. Sheamus.

Does anyone have a list of the entire RR match. How many freaking crap wrestlers were in it. I wish they spent a moment on it like they did thinking about the final 2 battle.

Great move by Kofi, to me worlds better than Morrison's move. The Morrison move is something any athletic person could do with a bunch of practice(although maybe not on the spot like that). Kofi's move was sick.

http://i43.tinypic.com/34hvqlh.png

10% of it was announcers. Just saying.

EDIT: Unless you're counting Ricardo as an announcer, in which case it was more than 10%....

58kcfan89
01-29-2012, 10:57 PM
Reading the highlights, I'm glad I didn't waste the effort of finding a way to watch that.

Sounds like Vince really mismanaged Jericho in his effort to swerve the internet. Not winning is fine. But saying it was going to be "the end of the world" and then delivering absolutely nothing?

I shoulda posted the stream.

But yeah, you didn't miss much.

Yes. What a weak Rumble card.

No joke. I think they had 3 matches announced prior to the show and then threw in the Brodus squash over McIntyre (who's so much better than jobber material) and the divas match. Not to mention all the random Cena/Rock video packages and wasted Rumble entrants.

Lot of wasted time tonight...

NJChiefsFan
01-29-2012, 10:57 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/34hvqlh.png

10% of it was announcers. Just saying.

Hahaha thats what I said to my friends. I said, "watch Cole will be in on it now and 10% will be the damn announcers."

I love how Cole was shocked Booker was in it when he WASN'T WEARING PANTS!

keg in kc
01-29-2012, 10:58 PM
The rumble lately has just been a highlight reel about how they've done a terrible job at buildiing stars in the last decade. Although I'm not sure any are as blatant in that regard at this year. Somebody on another board called it an over-the-top-rope Superstars match until Orton and then Jericho got in the ring.

Ultra Peanut
01-29-2012, 11:02 PM
That's not inaccurate.

58kcfan89
01-29-2012, 11:05 PM
Hahaha thats what I said to my friends. I said, "watch Cole will be in on it now and 10% will be the damn announcers."

I love how Cole was shocked Booker was in it when he WASN'T WEARING PANTS!

LMAO My thoughts exactly.

The rumble lately has just been a highlight reel about how they've done a terrible job at buildiing stars in the last decade. Although I'm not sure any are as blatant in that regard at this year. Somebody on another board called it an over-the-top-rope Superstars match until Orton and then Jericho got in the ring.

...

That's not inaccurate.

What he said.

Ultra Peanut
01-29-2012, 11:06 PM
what who said

Ultra Peanut
01-30-2012, 08:15 PM
Oh my god, heel Bryan is so magnificent.

This is gonna end so badly, isn't it?

58kcfan89
01-30-2012, 08:28 PM
Oh my god, heel Bryan is so magnificent.

This is gonna end so badly, isn't it?

A 5* match on Raw between 2 internet favorites? Yeah, it's not gunna end well.

Bryan vs. Punk needs to be a Wrestlemania main event one of these years. Love love love the heel Bryan character. That segment was amazing until Sheamus came out to use all the typical face putdowns & ruined it.


And how friggin' many times are we gunna get Orton vs. Barrett? They're supposed to wrestle again on Smackdown...

58kcfan89
01-30-2012, 08:46 PM
Regal has conjoined twins he keeps in the attic? ROFL LMAO

Put him on commentary. Now.


...

Wait, it's 9:00 and they're starting Punk vs. Bryan now? This better be an hour-long match...

Ultra Peanut
01-30-2012, 09:14 PM
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

58kcfan89
01-30-2012, 09:17 PM
Holy God that was an amazing match. Loved the finish, too.

Just think, if Jericho won the Rumble, we could have had a title unification triple threat. Bryan vs. Punk vs. Jericho. Could have been the best match in....ever...

Guess I'll settle for Punk-Jericho though haha

Ultra Peanut
01-30-2012, 09:19 PM
That was pretty perfect.

tredadda
01-30-2012, 09:26 PM
Holy God that was an amazing match. Loved the finish, too.

Just think, if Jericho won the Rumble, we could have had a title unification triple threat. Bryan vs. Punk vs. Jericho. Could have been the best match in....ever...

Guess I'll settle for Punk-Jericho though haha

Yes, it was an amazing match. I just want to see what role Jericho is going to play leading up to Wrestlemania. I find it hard to think Punk is all but going to Wrestlemania as champ to face Shamus. I think he will face Jericho and lose in Wrestlemania.

58kcfan89
01-30-2012, 09:40 PM
Yes, it was an amazing match. I just want to see what role Jericho is going to play leading up to Wrestlemania. I find it hard to think Punk is all but going to Wrestlemania as champ to face Shamus. I think he will face Jericho and lose in Wrestlemania.

If I had to guess, it'll be Punk vs. Jericho, Orton (as WHC) vs. Sheamus and Bryan vs. some other random guy.

But there's obviously still plenty of time between now & then...

tredadda
01-30-2012, 09:50 PM
If I had to guess, it'll be Punk vs. Jericho, Orton (as WHC) vs. Sheamus and Bryan vs. some other random guy.

But there's obviously still plenty of time between now & then...

I do think it will be Punk vs. Jericho, but I don't see Orton as WHC though. I see it as Bryan vs. Sheamus. To me it seems like Jericho will headline as a way to bring him back after the layover. With Bryan vs. Sheamus, this is a good chance to promote others and what better way than Wrestlemania. They are going to want to have a showstopping title events with those four if they want any chance of trumping the Rock vs. Cena.

Ultra Peanut
01-30-2012, 09:52 PM
pfahahaha

tredadda
01-30-2012, 10:22 PM
No shock, the Undertaker is back again. I do still think he has the best entrance and best music entrance in the business.

Captain Obvious
01-30-2012, 10:55 PM
I keep thinking that I will tire of Brodus Clay, but it just hasn't happened yet. "Should I get him?"

58kcfan89
01-30-2012, 11:22 PM
Wasn't a huge fan of the Taker-HHH initial showdown last year and this year's wasn't much different. Part of that is probably because I'm not a huge fan of either guy, but whatever...

I keep thinking that I will tire of Brodus Clay, but it just hasn't happened yet. "Should I get him?"

Brodus is amazing. Dude needs to win MitB or something.

big nasty kcnut
01-31-2012, 03:28 AM
ultra need a gif of bryan and punk hand shake from last night and the one you have now side by side.

keg in kc
01-31-2012, 04:51 AM
That was a pretty great raw after a horrible run of shows lately. Seeing Danielson playing punk's straight edge heel character was awesome. It's only a matter of time: "Vegan means I'm better than you." And finally they've started turning Cole, in that he's starting to say positive things about Danielson. Since, you know, he's a heel announcer. The back and forth between Cole and Jerry about that during the match was hilarious.

Okay, Elimination Changer. The way I would do it is have Jericho win EC. It has to be jericho or punk, no question. miz? r-truth? kofi? dolph? all mid-carders, the guys that will be in the MitB match. None of them are going to carry a title into mania. So the chamber match really comes down to punk and jericho with a bunch of other guys doing spots around them. Jericho wins in some heel-y way, punk chases the title all the way to mania, the two fighting over who the 'best in the world' really is, Jericho playing it from the angle that punk's stolen his entire gimmick, and punk the clear face. Punk gets the belt back at mania, crowd blows the roof off the building.

The other title match, I would guess, probably isn't going to involve Danielson at all. I expect he'll lose the title at EC, probably to Mark Henry, if the guy can even walk by then. Danielson, unfortunately fades into obscurity at this point because Vince sees him how he sees him. That leaves Sheamus and Henry at mania. That's not what I would do, but that's a Vince kind of match, and give Sheamus his giant killing moment. Cause vince loves that kind of shit, Hogan and Andre, and (much) more recently, when Cena used to herc Big Slow up into the FU.

Hope I'm wrong about that, and they somehow keep Danielson a part of it. In fact, with Henry so injured, maybe they can make it a 3-way so he and Sheamus can carry Henry through the match. :hmmm:

Taker coming out at the end, I knew it was going to happen, but you can tell who's in charge, and you can tell who the company really thinks is important. Punk/Danielson/Jericho, as great as they are, are at 9 o'clock. Cena (and Rock) are close to the end of the show, and then, of course, Hun-Tor has to take the spotlight. Honestly, I wouldn't care if neither Taker or HHH were on Mania. Taker's "streak" is played-out, for me at least, and I wouldn't care if we never saw Stephanie's husband again.

And I can't believe I'm about to mention a diva match, but Kharma and Beth Pheonix could be awesome. Kong was great with Gail Kim, and Beth's a much better worker than Gail ever was, bless her heart. Those two could really do something we haven't seen for years in the Diva division. If WWE lets them. Watch Kelly Kelly get thrown into the middle of it, or something equally retarded.

tredadda
01-31-2012, 06:48 AM
That was a pretty great raw after a horrible run of shows lately. Seeing Danielson playing punk's straight edge heel character was awesome. It's only a matter of time: "Vegan means I'm better than you." And finally they've started turning Cole, in that he's starting to say positive things about Danielson. Since, you know, he's a heel announcer. The back and forth between Cole and Jerry about that during the match was hilarious.

Okay, Elimination Changer. The way I would do it is have Jericho win EC. It has to be jericho or punk, no question. miz? r-truth? kofi? dolph? all mid-carders, the guys that will be in the MitB match. None of them are going to carry a title into mania. So the chamber match really comes down to punk and jericho with a bunch of other guys doing spots around them. Jericho wins in some heel-y way, punk chases the title all the way to mania, the two fighting over who the 'best in the world' really is, Jericho playing it from the angle that punk's stolen his entire gimmick, and punk the clear face. Punk gets the belt back at mania, crowd blows the roof off the building.

The other title match, I would guess, probably isn't going to involve Danielson at all. I expect he'll lose the title at EC, probably to Mark Henry, if the guy can even walk by then. Danielson, unfortunately fades into obscurity at this point because Vince sees him how he sees him. That leaves Sheamus and Henry at mania. That's not what I would do, but that's a Vince kind of match, and give Sheamus his giant killing moment. Cause vince loves that kind of shit, Hogan and Andre, and (much) more recently, when Cena used to herc Big Slow up into the FU.

Hope I'm wrong about that, and they somehow keep Danielson a part of it. In fact, with Henry so injured, maybe they can make it a 3-way so he and Sheamus can carry Henry through the match. :hmmm:

Taker coming out at the end, I knew it was going to happen, but you can tell who's in charge, and you can tell who the company really thinks is important. Punk/Danielson/Jericho, as great as they are, are at 9 o'clock. Cena (and Rock) are close to the end of the show, and then, of course, Hun-Tor has to take the spotlight. Honestly, I wouldn't care if neither Taker or HHH were on Mania. Taker's "streak" is played-out, for me at least, and I wouldn't care if we never saw Stephanie's husband again.

And I can't believe I'm about to mention a diva match, but Kharma and Beth Pheonix could be awesome. Kong was great with Gail Kim, and Beth's a much better worker than Gail ever was, bless her heart. Those two could really do something we haven't seen for years in the Diva division. If WWE lets them. Watch Kelly Kelly get thrown into the middle of it, or something equally retarded.

Excellent analysis. I still love the Undertakers entrance although him and HHH have outlived their usefulness as wrestlers. It seems as if the WWE wont let them fade into history and move on. But they do tend to hold on to their superstars past their prime ala Hogan when they bought out WCW. The WWE needs to move in another direction and it needs to be without the "old guard".

keg in kc
02-01-2012, 04:43 AM
So it looks like it won't be mark henry. SDEC is Daniel Bryan vs. Great Khali (replacing injured Mark Henry) vs. Big Show vs. Cody Rhodes vs. Wade Barrett vs. Randy Orton.

God, that just looks awful. Khali and Big Show? Looking at that, my guess is Orton. Although that would make it competing faces at mania. So who knows.

Orton and Danielson match next week.

Ultra Peanut
02-01-2012, 10:00 AM
Mizark has been genuinely fantastic since I started watching again (July). Even his promo work seemed to have improved tenfold. Poor guy. I'm really glad he's getting a rest, it's just too bad it took getting extra injuries and is probably going to miss an unbelievably well-deserved Mania payday as a result.

I can only pray Bryan keeps the built until Mania. His heat could be nuclear by then if they keep this up.

Also, I want Ziggler to retire Taker next year. FUCK YOU I WANT IT.

Reaper16
02-01-2012, 12:15 PM
No Mark Henry at Mania makes me so sad. :(

Ultra Peanut
02-01-2012, 12:35 PM
Also, I wasn't watching wrestling when the Elimination Chamber came into being but I've never really liked the idea of it (the time Edge won was pretty cool, I guess?) and hate that they devote a yearly PPV to it, especially in the PPV after the Rumble of all places (yay, let's do the bunch-of-guys-could-become-champion PPV when we should be building up to WrestleMania!).

This is only made clearer by how hilariously weak both chambers are this year, though at least the Raw one has guys I mostly like.

58kcfan89
02-01-2012, 02:00 PM
EDIT: http://i.imgur.com/w4SiH.gif
http://ilovewrestlinggifs.tumblr.com/page/5

That was a pretty great raw after a horrible run of shows lately. Seeing Danielson playing punk's straight edge heel character was awesome. It's only a matter of time: "Vegan means I'm better than you." And finally they've started turning Cole, in that he's starting to say positive things about Danielson. Since, you know, he's a heel announcer. The back and forth between Cole and Jerry about that during the match was hilarious.

Okay, Elimination Changer. The way I would do it is have Jericho win EC. It has to be jericho or punk, no question. miz? r-truth? kofi? dolph? all mid-carders, the guys that will be in the MitB match. None of them are going to carry a title into mania. So the chamber match really comes down to punk and jericho with a bunch of other guys doing spots around them. Jericho wins in some heel-y way, punk chases the title all the way to mania, the two fighting over who the 'best in the world' really is, Jericho playing it from the angle that punk's stolen his entire gimmick, and punk the clear face. Punk gets the belt back at mania, crowd blows the roof off the building.

The other title match, I would guess, probably isn't going to involve Danielson at all. I expect he'll lose the title at EC, probably to Mark Henry, if the guy can even walk by then. Danielson, unfortunately fades into obscurity at this point because Vince sees him how he sees him. That leaves Sheamus and Henry at mania. That's not what I would do, but that's a Vince kind of match, and give Sheamus his giant killing moment. Cause vince loves that kind of shit, Hogan and Andre, and (much) more recently, when Cena used to herc Big Slow up into the FU.

Hope I'm wrong about that, and they somehow keep Danielson a part of it. In fact, with Henry so injured, maybe they can make it a 3-way so he and Sheamus can carry Henry through the match. :hmmm:

Taker coming out at the end, I knew it was going to happen, but you can tell who's in charge, and you can tell who the company really thinks is important. Punk/Danielson/Jericho, as great as they are, are at 9 o'clock. Cena (and Rock) are close to the end of the show, and then, of course, Hun-Tor has to take the spotlight. Honestly, I wouldn't care if neither Taker or HHH were on Mania. Taker's "streak" is played-out, for me at least, and I wouldn't care if we never saw Stephanie's husband again.

And I can't believe I'm about to mention a diva match, but Kharma and Beth Pheonix could be awesome. Kong was great with Gail Kim, and Beth's a much better worker than Gail ever was, bless her heart. Those two could really do something we haven't seen for years in the Diva division. If WWE lets them. Watch Kelly Kelly get thrown into the middle of it, or something equally retarded.

Agreed on pretty much everything. I'm not surprised that Taker-HHH ended the show, they're returning and fans tend to mark out much more for returns than for amazing wrestling matches.

I'd love to see a Beth/Kharma/Natty Triple Threat at Mania, but Natty seems to be jobbed out every week nowadays. Pisses me off.

I'm curious to see where D-Bry lands, because I don't think he'll be the champ and probably not in the title picture (although he needs to be). I have a hard time coming up with any faces that I really want to see him wrestle, but I guess we'll see.

I have zero interest in Taker, HHH, Sheamus or Orton. Just sayin...

Also, I wasn't watching wrestling when the Elimination Chamber came into being but I've never really liked the idea of it (the time Edge won was pretty cool, I guess?) and hate that they devote a yearly PPV to it, especially in the PPV after the Rumble of all places (yay, let's do the bunch-of-guys-could-become-champion PPV when we should be building up to WrestleMania!).

This is only made clearer by how hilariously weak both chambers are this year, though at least the Raw one has guys I mostly like.

I enjoyed the first Chamber match way back in 2002 when HBK won the belt. It was a good mach, innovative at the time and had a pretty cool story. But yeah, having an entire PPV devoted to it just dilutes the title picture and does nothing for about 4 of the 6 guys in the match. Same with the Hell in a Cell & Money in the Bank PPVs. Overkill.

keg in kc
02-01-2012, 02:28 PM
Also, I want Ziggler to retire Taker next year. **** YOU I WANT IT.Whether it's Ziggler or somebody else, that's what it should be for. Not HHH.

I think the concept of Elimination Chamber sort of represents everything that's wrong with the company right now. You have the royal rumble ostensibly to give somebody a chance at a wrestlemania main event. Yet a month later, 5 guys get a chance at winning the title (and same said main event). Although the reality is that in that match, there are 4 guys who have no chance of winning. The title has no value anymore, they can't turn people into stars (look what they did with Sheamus the year he was supposed to wrestle HHH at mania...). It's just...ugh.

I will say, though, this is looking like one of the best mania cards of all time. Although I almost dread what kind of bullshit "celebrity" angle they're going to come up with. Even if it really is big slow and shaq. But I guess that would beat the 3rd rate reality star of the moment.

keg in kc
02-06-2012, 01:24 PM
By far the best thing on the new youtube channel:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/feov0bmMdXE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

keg in kc
02-06-2012, 08:18 PM
20 minutes of HHH talking himself up.

Shocker.

keg in kc
02-06-2012, 10:07 PM
They're impressing me with their ability to out-retard themselves with this kane bullshit every week.

58kcfan89
02-06-2012, 10:36 PM
They're impressing me with their ability to out-retard themselves with this kane bullshit every week.

No joke. I was on the phone with my friend as the show ended talking about how lame all the video packages were, but how happy I was that they didn't show any of this stupid Kane an-FUCK! He's in the locker room with Eve.

I can't fucking wait for Jericho-Punk though. I'm gunna mark like a bitch every week during that.

Ultra Peanut
02-08-2012, 02:40 AM
So I'm only halfway through watching Raw just now, but:

CHRIS JERICHO IS FEUDING WITH CM PUNK, DANIEL BRYAN IS THE BEST HEEL IN WWE, AND MEMPHIS IS JOINING THE BIG EAST. THIS DERANGED GRIN WILL NEVER LEAVE MY FACE.

I only wish I could go back to 2006 and tell myself all of this stuff would happen someday. And... some other stuff too, I guess.

big nasty kcnut
02-08-2012, 02:42 AM
Also chris hero is in wwe development right now so we could see the kings of wrestling soon.

Ultra Peanut
02-08-2012, 02:48 AM
Ahahaha oh my god, VERY SUBTLE GUYS.

http://i.imgur.com/AAnKi.jpg

Also chris hero is in wwe development right now so we could see the kings of wrestling soon.That finally went through?

big nasty kcnut
02-08-2012, 02:59 AM
Yep it sure did. http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/249299-wwe-signs-former-roh-star-wwe-copies-colt-cabana-show here you go.

keg in kc
02-13-2012, 10:18 PM
Awesome raw until the last 10 minutes. God, this Cena/Kane shit is like the worst thing I've seen in years. Although there is a perverse entertainment to the way they've turned Ryder into Kenny from South Park. And I got to admit I did like the way they had Eve kiss Cena. But then they just destroyed it (yet again) in the final segment.

Michaels and HHH were pretty epic. Even without the Rock, I think this would be a pretty incredible lineup for mania. Jericho has to win Sunday. Danielson has to win Sunday.

Although I'm not sure they'll switch them both up just to swerve everybody. Particularly with Danielson, because I have no faith that they'll be willing to keep him in the main event picture, and leave Orton out.

Still, at least for the first 1:50, really good show.

Captain Obvious
02-13-2012, 10:20 PM
That was an awkward landing for Ryder.

The love triangle is a bit too Saved by the Bell for me.

keg in kc
02-13-2012, 10:31 PM
Yeah, that looked really painful.

I think it's hilarious the way WWE sees things though. This is all designed to somehow make Cena popular as a face. Steal the girl (Eve is now a total heel...), beat up the cripple. Babyface!

Kane's line about "and I thought I was sick" was the only good thing about that segment. LMAO

tredadda
02-13-2012, 10:46 PM
I so hope Jericho does not win Sunday, nor does Punk. The Jericho/Punk feud will last into Wrestlemania, but I am tired (and I hope others agree) of the relics dominating the main events. I mean this year we are having the Rock, HHH, and Undertaker as parts of the main event. Then you add Jericho (possibly) and even possibly Shawn Michaels. Ughhhh. I want to see Daniel Bryan/Sheamus and some combo of R-Truth vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Dolph Zilgler. It is time for new blood to headline.

keg in kc
02-13-2012, 11:09 PM
Jericho would be putting Punk over. That's your fresh champion there.

Ron Killings is, literally, two years younger than Jericho. Maybe people don't realize that. But he's 40 years old. He doesn't belong in the main event, and even if he did, it wouldn't be doing anything for the future of the company.

Take him out of the picture, and you're talking about Ziggler, who isn't ready to main event, Kofi, who also isn't ready, and Miz, who's so far in the doghouse right now that he's probably never getting out. None of those guys belong in a main event program on any PPV at this point, much less wrestlemania. For that to happen, they'd need to be built up over the course of 2012 and then given the ball at the 2013 mania. But not now. None of them have been booked as championship material, and perception is reality. Main events are about moving money, and none of those guys can. Nobody in the world is going to purchase a PPV with the express intent of seeing any of them. Which is why you're seeing Cena/Rock, HHH/Undertaker (HBK reffing), Jericho/Punk and so on highlighting. They're the stars, like it or not.

I would hope it's Bryan and Sheamus, too. I just worry that Orton is lurking out there. In a perfect world Bryan wins sunday and that leads into mania.

Jerm
02-13-2012, 11:57 PM
I think Ziggler could run with the ball if they actually gave him the chance...just get him the hell away from Vickie Guerrero.

Dude is absolute money in the ring, arguably the best overall worker going right now in the E...if Jericho was to win the strap at Mania, I'd turn Ziggler face and start a program with those two.

If not, have him and Punk in a prolonged feud...can watch their matches any time.

This Cena/Kane shit is beyond ridiculous now...they almost have to turn Cena heel with the reactions and heat he's getting now. He used to be able to get away with the goofy aw gee shucks bullshit but now everyone has completely turned on him. He'd better at least work as a heel at Mania against The Rock.

keg in kc
02-14-2012, 01:09 AM
You don't want Jericho winning the strip at mania. You want him winning it Sunday and then have Punk win it back at mania in a career-making moment. If the idea is making him one of the faces of the company moving forward (which it appears to be). You have months of build with Jericho holding the belt in his face, talking about being the best in the world, and then Punk wins in the end.

Ziggler now is where Punk was a couple years back. You don't give him the ball yet, you build him for another year or two. At least that's the way they do things. You certainly don't have him lose a bunch and then just suddenly give him a mania match, which they're doing right now (jobbing him out a lot I mean). To move forward with him, I'd say give him money in the bank and then push him stronger over the next few months. He did okay working the main event with Punk, but it's going to take the crowd a while to get into him (same as it did with Punk, he was only over with the hardcores for a long time).

I don't think Kofi is ever going to get to that level. He's not a very good talker and while he's athletic as hell, he's just not a very good worker. I can't believe how bad he looked in the match with Jericho tonight.

The talk is still that they're going to have Cena go over Rock at mania. I don't know how in the world they expect to get away with that in Miami. And everything they're doing is (in their minds, at least...) designed to get Cena over. I loved tonight, though, when the crowd was chanting "we all hate you". That Florida crowd is going to riot if he wins. They're so terrified of turning Cena because of his merch sales (and maybe there's a contractual thing with Hasbro, I don't know) that they're going to cost themselves in the long run. This feud could write itself if they'd let it. Turn him back immediately after Mania if you have to, but christ, the audience hates him at this point, and they're going to risk turning the crowd against the Rock, too, even in Miami, as crazy as that sounds. Cena's just going to kill this feud if they keep doing it the hogan superface way.

It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out starting next Monday when Rock returns.

58kcfan89
02-14-2012, 02:14 AM
Jericho would be putting Punk over. That's your fresh champion there.

Ron Killings is, literally, two years younger than Jericho. Maybe people don't realize that. But he's 40 years old. He doesn't belong in the main event, and even if he did, it wouldn't be doing anything for the future of the company.

Take him out of the picture, and you're talking about Ziggler, who isn't ready to main event, Kofi, who also isn't ready, and Miz, who's so far in the doghouse right now that he's probably never getting out. None of those guys belong in a main event program on any PPV at this point, much less wrestlemania. For that to happen, they'd need to be built up over the course of 2012 and then given the ball at the 2013 mania. But not now. None of them have been booked as championship material, and perception is reality. Main events are about moving money, and none of those guys can. Nobody in the world is going to purchase a PPV with the express intent of seeing any of them. Which is why you're seeing Cena/Rock, HHH/Undertaker (HBK reffing), Jericho/Punk and so on highlighting. They're the stars, like it or not.

I would hope it's Bryan and Sheamus, too. I just worry that Orton is lurking out there. In a perfect world Bryan wins sunday and that leads into mania.

I'd love for D-Bry to win Sunday. But I'd put the chances only slightly above zero. Agreed on the rest of this.

You don't want Jericho winning the strip at mania. You want him winning it Sunday and then have Punk win it back at mania in a career-making moment. If the idea is making him one of the faces of the company moving forward (which it appears to be). You have months of build with Jericho holding the belt in his face, talking about being the best in the world, and then Punk wins in the end.

I agree that this is the ideal situation (I'd really like if Punk & Jericho don't even touch each other on Sunday TBH), but how is Punk winning the belt back from Jericho after a month & a half really career-defining? I'm all about cementing Punk as the #1 guy (**** you Cena), but I just don't see this being a career-defining thing. If Jericho had come back earlier and this feud had been going on longer, I could see it.

Then again, maybe they'll just have the ****ing amazing feud I hope they will & the rest will take care of itself...

Ziggler now is where Punk was a couple years back. You don't give him the ball yet, you build him for another year or two. At least that's the way they do things. You certainly don't have him lose a bunch and then just suddenly give him a mania match, which they're doing right now (jobbing him out a lot I mean). To move forward with him, I'd say give him money in the bank and then push him stronger over the next few months. He did okay working the main event with Punk, but it's going to take the crowd a while to get into him (same as it did with Punk, he was only over with the hardcores for a long time).

Agreed. Also are gunna have to get him away from Vickie eventually.

Although, I don't know that he ever was really a main eventer before 6/27/10. Sure, he was the WHC on Smackdown, was over with people who know WTF is going on and had a few big matches, but that shoot really put him over the top.

I don't think Kofi is ever going to get to that level. He's not a very good talker and while he's athletic as hell, he's just not a very good worker. I can't believe how bad he looked in the match with Jericho tonight.

Agreed. I see him as a more marketable Shelton Benjamin albeit a bit worse in the ring. Wonderful athlete, great for gimmick matches, but probably won't ever be a legit main-eventer.
/notracist

The talk is still that they're going to have Cena go over Rock at mania. I don't know how in the world they expect to get away with that in Miami. And everything they're doing is (in their minds, at least...) designed to get Cena over. I loved tonight, though, when the crowd was chanting "we all hate you". That Florida crowd is going to riot if he wins. They're so terrified of turning Cena because of his merch sales (and maybe there's a contractual thing with Hasbro, I don't know) that they're going to cost themselves in the long run. This feud could write itself if they'd let it. Turn him back immediately after Mania if you have to, but christ, the audience hates him at this point, and they're going to risk turning the crowd against the Rock, too, even in Miami, as crazy as that sounds. Cena's just going to kill this feud if they keep doing it the hogan superface way.

It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out starting next Monday when Rock returns.

I'm pretty sure the talk going into One Night Stand in '06 was to have Cena go over Rob Van Dam, but they changed the finish as soon as they saw crap like "If Cena wins we riot" signs and wasn't it the same with Money in the Bank last year in Chicago? I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Cena was supposed to go over in both of those matches. Maybe Miami just needs to get really violent.

As for the merchandise stuff, Miz's stuff sells really well. So did Edge's when he was a heel. But they were actually good characters (well, Edge was...) that adults could get behind. They're gunna have to book Cena the right way (winning every match isn't it), but it's very possible to move merchandise as a heel.

I've said it before, but I really can't wait until Punk & Jericho really get at it on the mic. And they better get plenty of time at Mania (unlike Jericho-Edge at WM 26, which could have been amazing).

keg in kc
02-14-2012, 02:51 AM
I agree that this is the ideal situation (I'd really like if Punk & Jericho don't even touch each other on Sunday TBH), but how is Punk winning the belt back from Jericho after a month & a half really career-defining? It probably won't be in the end, but they'd have to do it old school. Have Jericho get the upper hand constantly going into mania, then give them enough time to work a quality match (which the two of them are both capable of doing - they're guys who could feasibly work a 5-star match together). Just build and build and build until April first, have the crowd ready for it, and then pull the trigger.

The speech and the Chicago PPV were his star-making performance, and his work in the meantime has put the crowd squarely behind him. He's clearly the most popular babyface on the card when they don't bring in the michaels and hhh's (which btw, is something that annoyed me - they once again had to say they were the end of an era, effectively burying the entire roster for about the thousanth time, but I digress). Obviously Cena gets bigger reactions, but they're always mixed, and they've become more boos than cheers. If the two of them, meaning Punk and Jericho, work a real classic match, and Punk gets his mania 'moment', it could propel him to that next level. He could be Cena going forward, the way the company wants Cena to be, the babyface star of the company. A lot has changed for Punk in the last 6th months, it's not just the hardcores shouting for him now. You see kids in his merch, you see women in his merch, and you of course see guys between 18 and 40 in his merch. He's the one guy on the roster right now who I think could be this decade's Steve Austin. And they need that right now, desperately.

I expect to be let down.

big nasty kcnut
02-14-2012, 04:33 AM
zack ryder embraced the pimp slap and also eve is a cold hearted bitch. John Cena broke the bro code. Finally R truth for president.

58kcfan89
02-14-2012, 01:49 PM
It probably won't be in the end, but they'd have to do it old school. Have Jericho get the upper hand constantly going into mania, then give them enough time to work a quality match (which the two of them are both capable of doing - they're guys who could feasibly work a 5-star match together). Just build and build and build until April first, have the crowd ready for it, and then pull the trigger.

The speech and the Chicago PPV were his star-making performance, and his work in the meantime has put the crowd squarely behind him. He's clearly the most popular babyface on the card when they don't bring in the michaels and hhh's (which btw, is something that annoyed me - they once again had to say they were the end of an era, effectively burying the entire roster for about the thousanth time, but I digress). Obviously Cena gets bigger reactions, but they're always mixed, and they've become more boos than cheers. If the two of them, meaning Punk and Jericho, work a real classic match, and Punk gets his mania 'moment', it could propel him to that next level. He could be Cena going forward, the way the company wants Cena to be, the babyface star of the company. A lot has changed for Punk in the last 6th months, it's not just the hardcores shouting for him now. You see kids in his merch, you see women in his merch, and you of course see guys between 18 and 40 in his merch. He's the one guy on the roster right now who I think could be this decade's Steve Austin. And they need that right now, desperately.

I expect to be let down.

Damn. Well put.

Not trying to brag, but I've been on the Punk train since his last few months of ROH (waits for one of you to say you were on him in the beginning of FIP or something :p ) and am excited that we're even talking about him in the WWE Title match of WrestleMania (I love you, but dammit Rocky....).

I've also been a Jericho fan since I watched him punk Goldberg in WCW and can't wait to see this go down. I was psyched for Jericho-Edge a few years ago and although it was a decent/good match, it could have been amazing. I just really hope the same doesn't happen with Punk-Jericho.

I had to laugh when HHH said that their era doesn't exist anymore. I guess I can see what he was trying to do, but I hope Punk (or anyone for that matter) takes him up on that for a feud this summer. HHH owes Punk a good match & feud after that crapfest leading up to Night of Champions last year...

keg in kc
02-14-2012, 09:40 PM
I've been a Punk fan since his work with Samoa Joe in, when was that?, 2004?


Randy Orton was apparently hurt during his match with big slow last night, so he's out of the Elimination Chamber. They're bringing Mark Henry back early (again) to take his slot, so now Daniel Bryan will be facing Henry, Show and Khali in that chamber, along with Cody Rhodes and Wade Barrett (is that right?).

I have a sinking feeling we're going to end up with Henry/Sheamus, as I originally predicted a few weeks back.

keg in kc
02-15-2012, 12:09 AM
Some relevant SD spoilers: Uhh. What?Santino Marella won a battle royal to claim Randy Orton's spot in the Elimination Chamber. The final four were Santino, Drew McIntyre, Ezekiel Jackson, and David Otunga. Drew was eliminated first, followed by Zeke. Crowd went nuts for Santino win.Are you frikkin' kidding me?Daniel Bryan cut a promo in the ring about what he did on Raw. He said Big Show and Orton were afraid to come out. He said come Sunday, he would still be World Champion. He told Lilian to announce him the winner of the main event by forfeit, but Teddy Long came out and announce Bryan would face Sheamus instead.

4. Daniel Bryan defeated Sheamus by disqualification. Bryan spit in Sheamus's face and Sheamus went crazy. The ref tried to hold him back, but Sheamus pushed him to cause the DQ.Hopefully that's a sign of things to come.

NJChiefsFan
02-15-2012, 12:55 AM
That was an awkward landing for Ryder.

The love triangle is a bit too Saved by the Bell for me.

I went nuts when he first hit until I realized that he fell on a mat, not cement. They just covered it with carpet the same color as the floor.

Am I the only one that is dissapointed with R-Truth. I thought him as a heel was much funnier than he his now.

58kcfan89
02-15-2012, 02:59 AM
I've been a Punk fan since his work with Samoa Joe in, when was that?, 2004?


Randy Orton was apparently hurt during his match with big slow last night, so he's out of the Elimination Chamber. They're bringing Mark Henry back early (again) to take his slot, so now Daniel Bryan will be facing Henry, Show and Khali in that chamber, along with Cody Rhodes and Wade Barrett (is that right?).

I have a sinking feeling we're going to end up with Henry/Sheamus, as I originally predicted a few weeks back.

'04 sounds about right. That's about when I first heard his name, but didn't really get into him for another year or so after that.

This whole Smackdown situation sounds like a fustercluck. At this point, they'd probably just be smart to let DB keep the belt until Mania.

keg in kc
02-15-2012, 03:27 AM
Yeah, these injuries, sad as it is to say it, may be the best thing for Danielson since he joined the company. Although there's no guarantee at all that he'll be the beneficiary.

keg in kc
02-15-2012, 07:42 PM
2013 Wrestlemania's going to be April 7th at MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ. Ugh.

Interesting tidbit from the Observer:Right now Punk and Cena are neck-and-neck as far as biggest merchandise sellers. Punk is ahead with the Male adult age group. Ryder was also near the top.

58kcfan89
02-15-2012, 07:53 PM
2013 Wrestlemania's going to be April 7th at MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ. Ugh.

Interesting tidbit from the Observer:

Aren't they expected to have WM 30 at MSG? Cause that'd 2 WMs in back-to-back years within like 20 miles of each other... And that could be really a really cold Mania if winter sticks around in the Northeast.

Need to get one at Jerryworld in Dallas before long...

Punk being better than Cena at more & more things doesn't surprise me. I'd expect Ryder's merchandise to go down (at least among adult males) after this Eve storyline, but that's just me.

keg in kc
02-15-2012, 09:08 PM
Ryder's just getting killed by all this I'd imagine.

I've never liked the character to be honest, but I do respect that he was making a name for himself, had a successful youtube show going and was moving merch.

Unfortunately in WWE, that kind of stuff will get you punished.

There was a note on Funkasaurus in there too. :(In a big surprise, Vince McMahon made the call to take Clay off television, feeling his ring work wasn't good enough. This is the guy who made money headlining some of the crappiest main event workers in history. Apparently it was a match with Slater that was taped and pulled from Smackdown that did him in.

big nasty kcnut
02-15-2012, 09:17 PM
I feel that they are testing ryder on this angle see the reduced limelight does to him. If he handle this the right way he'll get a big push.

58kcfan89
02-15-2012, 10:00 PM
Ryder's just getting killed by all this I'd imagine.

I've never liked the character to be honest, but I do respect that he was making a name for himself, had a successful youtube show going and was moving merch.

Unfortunately in WWE, that kind of stuff will get you punished.

There was a note on Funkasaurus in there too. :(

:facepalm: @ Funkasaurus being left off TV. Batista's good enough to main event for 5 years, but Brodus (who IMO works really well for a big man) isn't good enough for freakin' Smackdown?

And I don't know that I was necessarily ever a huge fan of Ryder's character, but I respected the hell out of him & that made me like it more. I don't think I was ever going to buy a Zack Ryder shirt, headband or whatever, but I've turned into a fan of his. At least, before they made him look like a complete bitch in this Kane/Cena/Eve/Zack story...

keg in kc
02-15-2012, 10:51 PM
Brodus' problem probably doesn't have anything to do with the way he works. Too much jiggle and wiggle. (iow he's fat)

NJChiefsFan
02-15-2012, 11:56 PM
Aren't they expected to have WM 30 at MSG? Cause that'd 2 WMs in back-to-back years within like 20 miles of each other... And that could be really a really cold Mania if winter sticks around in the Northeast.

Need to get one at Jerryworld in Dallas before long...

Punk being better than Cena at more & more things doesn't surprise me. I'd expect Ryder's merchandise to go down (at least among adult males) after this Eve storyline, but that's just me.

It was expected that 30 would be there but now who knows. The weather hasn't really been cold in April here for a while. Assuming it doesn't rain, should be fine. Problem is it rains a ton in April, not shockingly.

58kcfan89
02-16-2012, 12:52 AM
It was expected that 30 would be there but now who knows. The weather hasn't really been cold in April here for a while. Assuming it doesn't rain, should be fine. Problem is it rains a ton in April, not shockingly.

Fair enough, I've only been there during the summer.

If you don't mind me asking, where in Jersey are you? I spent the summer of '10 in Mount Laurel.

Sofa King
02-16-2012, 08:35 AM
http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/daily_gifdump_46_10.gif?w=320&h=240

58kcfan89
02-16-2012, 03:47 PM
Per PW Insider:

Former Pro Wrestling NOAH, ROH and IWA Mid-South star Chris Hero was officially added to the WWE developmental roster on the FCW website today. His new ring name is Kassius Ohno.

Uh.... Am I missing something?

Governor Chris Christie stated that Wrestlemania 29 would bring in over $62 million in revenue to the Garden State during the press conference announcing the April 2013 WWE event today at Metlife Stadium.

In speaking at the conference, Dwayne Johnson stated that he would be appearing at the PPV. He did not state he would be wrestling, but certainly teased it.

PUNK VS. ROCKY! GET IT DONE!

I'd seriously do whatever I had to to get to Jersey if Punk vs. Rock happened there.

NJChiefsFan
02-16-2012, 05:17 PM
Fair enough, I've only been there during the summer.

If you don't mind me asking, where in Jersey are you? I spent the summer of '10 in Mount Laurel.

I am about 5 minutes from the NY State border and 45 minutes West of the city. So basically the same distance from the Meadowlands. Their weather is our weather. Now the SB, thats going to be cold as hell. Save for this year, 6pm on a Feb night is going to be 10 to 25 degrees probably.

I am probably about 2 hrs from Mount Laurel, only go to South Jersey when I have baseball games down there, shore, or Atlantic City.

keg in kc
02-16-2012, 05:31 PM
Uh.... Am I missing something?The naming trend must continue. Kassius Ohno and Antonio Cesaro.

TrickyNicky
02-16-2012, 06:42 PM
Ring Ka King, the TNA offshoot in India, recently launched and has a few episodes on youtube. This clip is a promo for Scott Steiner goin' all Stan Hansen on the crowd. Awesome.

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keg in kc
02-16-2012, 07:20 PM
Gotta love canada...

http://digitaljournal.com/article/319730

(just read it, trust me LMAO)

big nasty kcnut
02-16-2012, 08:00 PM
Canada is mark.

keg in kc
02-17-2012, 12:04 AM
This is a veritable comedy goldmine: http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/16/chyna-porn-hulk-hogan/?adid=hero2#.Tz3trrSk98E

NJChiefsFan
02-17-2012, 12:08 AM
Oh dear.

Al Bundy
02-19-2012, 07:07 PM
http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/108805/2/watch-wwe-elimination-chamber-2012.html

keg in kc
02-19-2012, 07:49 PM
That doesn't bode well for danielson.

Still think there must be some shenanigans with punk's title tonight, though. Why open the show with it?

Ultra Peanut
02-19-2012, 07:54 PM
ARE TROOPZ

Didn't expect Raw to be curtain jerkin'. Jericho shenanigans forthcoming.

keg in kc
02-19-2012, 07:57 PM
Just what we needed. Another Cena babyface promo video.

Ultra Peanut
02-19-2012, 08:02 PM
ASK HER

Beth's too good for this bullshit. :(

Ultra Peanut
02-19-2012, 08:06 PM
Beth vs. Kong at Mania (or I slit the entire McMahon family's throats).

Ahahahaha check it out, former World Heavyweight Champion David Arquette.

Ultra Peanut
02-19-2012, 08:11 PM
Face Berto?!

Edit: Awww, probably not.

p.p.s.: eeeeeeeeee

Ultra Peanut
02-19-2012, 09:03 PM
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

edit: NO NO NO NO NO (re: this Nattie shit)

lol filler matchez

[Am I crazy for thinking Santino is over enough and a decent enough worker at this point to become a legit face midcarder? Shit on him getting (uber-cheap, non heat destroying) pins and all, but the crowd was into that shit. And Bryan's a chickenshit heel, I have no problem with any of what happened there. Smarks are going apeshit but I thought it was pretty entertaining considering the alternatives and generally horrible booking leading up to it.]

keg in kc
02-19-2012, 09:16 PM
I thought they did a great job during the match of trying to make santino a legit threat. I was like "if he wins I'm done", which means I thought it might actually be happening. So they worked me real welll. And Danielson took a hell of a beating. I didn't think they'd pull the trigger on him, but they sure as hell have.

That natty shit is the worst ever.

Ultra Peanut
02-19-2012, 09:17 PM
Live report is that building was shaking for last 2 minutes of Bryan vs SantinoYisssssssssssssssssssssssss.

Also, ahahaha:

http://i.imgur.com/JwlxW.jpg

KingPriest2
02-19-2012, 09:36 PM
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I think cena is taking Kane

Ultra Peanut
02-19-2012, 09:46 PM
ok bye kane, hopefully forever

keg in kc
02-19-2012, 09:48 PM
That FU off the ambulance looked hilarious.

Super babyface cena heading into the rock match.

Ultra Peanut
02-19-2012, 09:51 PM
That was such a terrible, pointless angle. Literally the only thing they accomplished was destroying Ryder's heat (how dare he get himself over!).

keg in kc
02-19-2012, 10:24 PM
I'm starting to think they're ****ing over Jericho on purpose. Two PPVs in a row where they've run out of time for him to do his major angle (they teased he'd say/do something later in the show tonight). No excuse for that tonight with the Johnny Ace stuff and the pointless Swagger match.

Ultra Peanut
02-19-2012, 10:26 PM
I kind of expected him to do something and kind of expected him to just say "YOU NEVER BEAT ME, PUNK" on Raw, so I don't mind too much. So much filler on that show, though.

58kcfan89
02-19-2012, 11:19 PM
That was such a terrible, pointless angle. Literally the only thing they accomplished was destroying Ryder's heat (how dare he get himself over!).

No joke. I'm not surprised that super babyface Cena prevailed over evil, but good God I was expecting something to come out of the Ryder/Eve/Cena thing. Like, am I supposed to completely forget that Cena made out with Eve & (I can't believe I'm about to type this) broke Ryder's heart? Hope Rocky calls him out about it on Raw (he's gunna be there, right?).

Fuck you, Cena.

I kind of expected him to do something and kind of expected him to just say "YOU NEVER BEAT ME, PUNK" on Raw, so I don't mind too much. So much filler on that show, though.

Yeah, this is what I said right after I saw it. Only thing that woulda made it better is if Jericho & Punk hadn't touched each other, but I guess they've already wrestled before so it's whatever. I can't wait to see this thing get fully going on the mic, I'm gunna mark like a bitch every week.

keg in kc
02-20-2012, 08:52 AM
Oh, I'm sure Jericho and Punk will be built tonight, but the thing I'm talking about is how this is two ppvs in a row where he's supposed to do something and then gotten sidelined. First it was supposed to be the "end of the world" at Royal Rumble and....nothing. And now he gets "hurt" (which, btw, I thought for sure was a work, and he was going to come in at the end and pin Punk - I'm sure Vince didn't do that because it was "predictable"), there's a backstage segment with him getting medical attention alluding to something more and then...nothing.

It makes me wonder if it's all tied to the difficulties they (supposedly) had getting him re-signed and if he's being punished. Although at the same time, I think those difficulties were probably a work, too. Either way, it doesn't seem like a very main event way to treat a guy. They certainly haven't cut any of this horrendous Cena bullshit that everyone in the world hates to fit in diva matches or backstage fart scetches.

Along that line, I'm sure we'll see plenty of Cena/Kane/Ryder/Eve tonight. Rock isn't due to appear live until next week.

McWickedson
02-20-2012, 12:42 PM
The Attitude Era must come back.

58kcfan89
02-20-2012, 02:21 PM
Oh, I'm sure Jericho and Punk will be built tonight, but the thing I'm talking about is how this is two ppvs in a row where he's supposed to do something and then gotten sidelined. First it was supposed to be the "end of the world" at Royal Rumble and....nothing. And now he gets "hurt" (which, btw, I thought for sure was a work, and he was going to come in at the end and pin Punk - I'm sure Vince didn't do that because it was "predictable"), there's a backstage segment with him getting medical attention alluding to something more and then...nothing.

Yeah, they've made Jericho look pretty bad since the Rumble. I'm just hoping they don't **** this up....

It makes me wonder if it's all tied to the difficulties they (supposedly) had getting him re-signed and if he's being punished. Although at the same time, I think those difficulties were probably a work, too. Either way, it doesn't seem like a very main event way to treat a guy. They certainly haven't cut any of this horrendous Cena bullshit that everyone in the world hates to fit in diva matches or backstage fart scetches.

Along that line, I'm sure we'll see plenty of Cena/Kane/Ryder/Eve tonight. Rock isn't due to appear live until next week.

DAMMIT!

And it seemed pretty obvious after the first match that they were stalling for time with all those stupid Santino segments (although I'll admit, he made the SD Chamber watchable), Cena promo videos and that really stupid Gabriel/Thwagger segment. So I haven't got a clue why they didn't give an update on Jericho until after the show...

Ryder had to go through a bunch of shit to even think about a re-match for the US Title, but Gabriel gets a shot just by defending the little guy backstage? Makes no sense.

Ultra Peanut
02-20-2012, 03:35 PM
It would have been more sensible to just have the match be announced via a graphic on Smackdown, or just happen randomly as an extra championship match (!!!!!), than that idiotic segment leading up to it.

keg in kc
02-20-2012, 04:45 PM
Meltzvarez stuff today (http://www.f4wonline.com/more/more-top-stories/118-daily-updates/24332-monday-update-wrestlemania-celeb-appearance-a-lineup-john-cena-and-jon-jones-unite-more):--Shaquille O'Neal confirmed that he would be at WrestleMania this year on Saturday night. O'Neal was hosting the Cartoon Network Hall Games awards and said he would be there, but didn't say if he would be wrestling Big Show.

--Tonight is the start of the WrestleMania season. Tonight's big angle is to be an Undertaker confrontation with HHH to help build their match. They should also be promoting Rock's return which will be on the 2/27 Raw show and a clear slate for building matches since there are no other major events left to promote, although some of tonight's show will be promoting the live Smackdown tomorrow night in Rockford. They are advertising locally John Cena vs. Kane and C.M. Punk vs. Dolph Ziggler, but one or both could be dark matches.

--For Rockford tomorrow, there is expected to be a Raw presence and C.M. Punk has been advertised locally for the show.

--Both Punk and Chris Jericho were doing videos after the show strongly hinting Punk vs. Jericho will be the Raw title match at Mania.

--On the WWE's annual post-Mania tour of Europe, Kane is working a lot of Smackdown brand shows with Randy Orton. The advertised title matches are C.M. Punk vs. Chris Jericho and Daniel Bryan against either Big Show or Sheamus. There is a Cena vs. Kane last man standing match scheduled for 4/16 in London and Bryan vs. Show in a no DQ and no count out match for the title on 4/17 in London. (thanks to Cohen Morrison)

keg in kc
02-20-2012, 05:12 PM
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58kcfan89
02-20-2012, 08:14 PM
:facepalm: x100 at the first 15 minutes of Raw.

Just give me a 2 hour Punk-Jericho promo. Couldn't be half as bad as the crap they'll show tonight.

keg in kc
02-20-2012, 08:17 PM
This cena shit is the worst ever. I want Kane back.

(I'm sure I'll regret saying that in about an hour)

58kcfan89
02-20-2012, 08:31 PM
This cena shit is the worst ever. I want Kane back.

(I'm sure I'll regret saying that in about an hour)

I'm used to it. He's the exact same character he was in 2003 and has been since. The way of building his character & advancing storylines is to win every match clean & act like a jackass but still get cheered.

Although I liked that Funkman-Teddy segment. What kind of match did they announce for who's gunna face Punk? Missed that part.

keg in kc
02-20-2012, 08:33 PM
Although I liked that Funkman-Teddy segment. What kind of match did they announce for who's gunna face Punk? Missed that part.10 man battle royal.

Talk about screwing over the Royal Rumble.

They're doing everything they can to **** up this angle. Watch them drop Jericho altogether.

58kcfan89
02-20-2012, 08:42 PM
10 man battle royal.

Talk about screwing over the Royal Rumble.

They're doing everything they can to **** up this angle. Watch them drop Jericho altogether.

Punk vs. Orton rematch from last year!

On that note, Bryan vs. Sheamus was the dark match before last year's Mania.... Crazy the difference a year makes.

DAMN.

58kcfan89
02-20-2012, 09:21 PM
Taker-HHH 3 in Hell in a Cell? Didn't see that coming. I'm actually excited for it, cause they'll probably (hopefully) break out the weapons & bloodguts.

And I loved how HHH didn't mind being called a coward, but **** you if you call him 2nd best to HBK (which he is).


...

Now Cena's stealing the lines that Punk pwned him with last summer to crap all over The Rock. FU, Cena.


And Punk needs to be a commentator when he's done wrestling (which, God willing, will be a long long long time from now). This is amazing.

dirk digler
02-20-2012, 10:04 PM
that was a nasty fall...Ziggler and Barret hurt bad

Al Bundy
02-20-2012, 10:09 PM
I think Barrett really did break his arm.

Al Bundy
02-20-2012, 10:10 PM
The way Barrett reacted it sounded like it was no faking, no act.

keg in kc
02-20-2012, 10:17 PM
I think Ziggler was just selling, but Wade appeared to break his arm. You could see his reaction immediately. And then after the match, right when Jericho hit the floor after the stare-down, the first thing he did was ask a ref "what happened to wade?"

The end didn't work quite as well as it should have, Cody seemed to have trouble getting Slow out, but that was a pretty fun battle royal.

For HHH/Taker, if I'm going to be stuck watching them again, I like Hell in a Cell better than Last Man Standing, which had been the rumor.

I hated the Cena stuff. They sound on first glance like they're trying to turn the "universe" on the Rock. Like they forgot that Mania is in Miami. Stupid. But maybe that's how they'll heel up Cena, by having him talk trash to the more popular face. Turn him without turning him.

Rock's going to slaughter him on the mic next week.

I also think it would be a lot better if Cena would just drop the stupid comedy and make it serious and personal. It was kind of interesting how he seemed to be reverting back a few years to the thug stuff.

Ah well, I'm actually going to watch Smackdown tomorrow night, for Punk and Danielson.

I can't believe they're using that match as the big selling point for the show. But I love that they are.

tredadda
02-20-2012, 10:24 PM
While Cena made some good points, I do think this is the only way they can make him the heel in his match with the Rock. As good as Cena is, his star was and may never be as bright as the Rock's. I remember a few years ago before the Rock all but left indefinitely (sans a Wrestlemania here and there) when they tried hard to make him a heel and the fans would not bite. I give him and the WWE credit for trying, but he was such a face by then that making him a heel was all but impossible.

keg in kc
02-20-2012, 10:30 PM
One thing I forgot: I love the way the show was structured. Yeah, I hated the Cena shit at the beginning, and I hated the Cena shit near the end, but the reality is the focus of the show was the last few minutes. Which was CM Punk, Chris Jericho, and the WWE ****ing Championship. So for the first time in I can't remember how long, guys fighting for, among other things of course, the goddamn belt, which should be the biggest deal every week, closed the show. HHH and Taker got the middle of the show. Cena jerked the curtain. The champ and the new number 1 contender got the overrun. Exactly how it should be.

(I honestly thing that could do more for the company than anything else right now: making the titles meaningful again. Storylines are important, but it's so much easier to buy into things if people have real things to feud over. Just simple things, like "I'm better than you." You don't need Kane trying to get Cena to embrace Eve, I mean hate.)

keg in kc
02-20-2012, 10:37 PM
Injuries:Wade Barrett suffered a serious arm injury catching Dolph Ziggler who was thrown over the top rope by Big Show during the main event Battle Royal on Raw.

You could see Barrett holding his right arm and furious immediately knowing he suffered a serious injury. An "X" was signaled and doctors rushed to the scene as the match went on. Making it worse, is that when Santino Marella was thrown over the top, he landed on Barrett's possibly broken arm. Ziggler was also hurt when his shoulder and arm crashed on the table and R-Truth needed help going to the back.

Kofi Kington was probably not hurt but when he was thrown out he had to change his trajectory to avoid Vickie Guerrero and had an ugly crash into the boards.

Cody Rhodes, who came into the match hurt from last night with a right thigh or hamstring injury, was limping badly and was hurt worse when he did a Disaster kick and the leg gave out. However he got up and had several more spots to do including play a hand in helping eliminate Show which allowed Jericho to win the match.

arrowheadnation
02-20-2012, 10:47 PM
He realizes what has happened.
<img src=http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd324/gottagitdemjs/1e3bc9b6.jpg>

Ouch.
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blazzin311
02-21-2012, 01:40 AM
For those who missed it.....

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and then this too......

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In the first clip, you can clearly hear Barrett shouting obscenities immediately upon catching Ziggler. At the time I first saw it, that told me all I needed to know regarding whether that was a botched spot or not. For what its worth, it looked like there were quite a few bad landings during that Battle Royal. Tough luck.

arrowheadnation
02-21-2012, 02:13 AM
Hearing it is a dislocated elbow and not a broken arm.

NJChiefsFan
02-21-2012, 02:26 AM
Hearing it is a dislocated elbow and not a broken arm.

Yeah it looked like an elbow. Really wasn't a point where the actual arm was in trouble. The elbow got bent backwards.

What was up with Taker getting "what'ed". Are you kidding me? Yeah he was off on the mic and the story line isn't everyone's favorite, but give me a break.

I thought they might do the best story line they could do with Taker/HHH but they aren't. Michaels guest ref, HHH wants him to help him and he does. As HHH goes for the pin Michaels has guilt, doesn't count. HHH yells and Michaels Super-Kicks him to even the match back out and leaves the ring.

Hell in the Cell is a decent twist atleast. Wish Taker had to do some "dark side" stuff to get HHH to agree. Whether it be fire, messing with HHH for a few weeks, or even screwing with Stephanie. "Where to, Stephanie?"

58kcfan89
02-21-2012, 01:04 PM
One thing I forgot: I love the way the show was structured. Yeah, I hated the Cena shit at the beginning, and I hated the Cena shit near the end, but the reality is the focus of the show was the last few minutes. Which was CM Punk, Chris Jericho, and the WWE ****ing Championship. So for the first time in I can't remember how long, guys fighting for, among other things of course, the goddamn belt, which should be the biggest deal every week, closed the show. HHH and Taker got the middle of the show. Cena jerked the curtain. The champ and the new number 1 contender got the overrun. Exactly how it should be.

(I honestly thing that could do more for the company than anything else right now: making the titles meaningful again. Storylines are important, but it's so much easier to buy into things if people have real things to feud over. Just simple things, like "I'm better than you." You don't need Kane trying to get Cena to embrace Eve, I mean hate.)

Agreed completely. WWE Title needs to always be the focus of the show, especially when it's almost Mania and a guy who's as over as Punk has the belt. Punk-Jericho needs to close out every Raw from here on out, although I'm sure it won't with Rocky showing up next week...

I sincerely doubt this happens, but I hope they take a page from WM 18. They had Rock vs. Hogan, which was the equivalent of Rock vs. Cena, go on as the 3rd-to-last match of the night. Then the women's match, then the Jericho-HHH match for the Undisputed Title to close the show. Understandably, the belt meant a lot more back then, and they didn't build up Rock-Hogan for a year, but whatever. Punk-Jericho outta end the show.

For what its worth, it looked like there were quite a few bad landings during that Battle Royal. Tough luck.

Or just a lot of dumbassery. I don't understand why they do spots like that around the announcer's table when they could do the exact same spots in front of the ramp, especially when the stretcher/EMTs are out for a guy right there. Change the freaking spot to the other side of the ring.

What was up with Taker getting "what'ed". Are you kidding me? Yeah he was off on the mic and the story line isn't everyone's favorite, but give me a break.

Eh, far as I'm concerned, they bought a ticket & can react however they'd like. Is it that much different than people bringing laser-pointers & shooting them at his face during his entrances during the Attitude Era?

I thought they might do the best story line they could do with Taker/HHH but they aren't. Michaels guest ref, HHH wants him to help him and he does. As HHH goes for the pin Michaels has guilt, doesn't count. HHH yells and Michaels Super-Kicks him to even the match back out and leaves the ring.

I can't believe they won't get HBK involved in this somehow, especially after Taker pulling the "Shawn's better than you" card last night.

Hell in the Cell is a decent twist atleast. Wish Taker had to do some "dark side" stuff to get HHH to agree. Whether it be fire, messing with HHH for a few weeks, or even screwing with Stephanie. "Where to, Stephanie?"

I haven't been able to stand HHH for a long time and frankly am tired of Taker coming back for 1 match at Mania every year, but I'm excited to see HIAC with these 2. I have a feeling they'll kill each other trying to make it as brutal as they can, plus it has a decent story behind it (as opposed to "Hey, we have a PPV named Hell in a Cell. Uhhhh....").

I thought it was a really good Raw last night (save the first 10-15 minutes), and am excited to see what happens tonight, although I'll have to catch up after the fact.

And Bryan vs. Punk needs to main-event Mania one of these years.

BryanBusby
02-21-2012, 02:34 PM
What was up with Taker getting "what'ed". Are you kidding me? Yeah he was off on the mic and the story line isn't everyone's favorite, but give me a break.

This needs to happen again.

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Vince should really consider moving the whole Elimination Chamber thing from before Wrestlemania to after Wrestlemania.

alanm
02-21-2012, 03:01 PM
Hearing it is a dislocated elbow and not a broken arm.Dislocated elbow is worse than a broken arm IMO.
Right now I've heard he's gone 6-8 weeks at best.

loochy
02-21-2012, 03:04 PM
Dislocated elbow is worse than a broken arm IMO.
Right now I've heard he's gone 6-8 weeks at best.

Yeah, it doesn't soundas bad. However, it takes longer for ligaments and tendons to heal than it does for a bone to heal.

Captain Obvious
02-21-2012, 10:14 PM
Minus the Teddy/Laurinaitis aspect of the ending, I thought that was really well done with Punk/Bryan.

Reaper16
02-21-2012, 11:17 PM
I sincerely doubt this happens, but I hope they take a page from WM 18. They had Rock vs. Hogan, which was the equivalent of Rock vs. Cena, go on as the 3rd-to-last match of the night. Then the women's match, then the Jericho-HHH match for the Undisputed Title to close the show. Understandably, the belt meant a lot more back then, and they didn't build up Rock-Hogan for a year, but whatever. Punk-Jericho outta end the show.


In Jericho's latest memoir, he talks about how he wishes Rock v Hogan would have gone on last. He says that the crowd was totally dead for the title match because they spent themselves during Rock/Hogan.

58kcfan89
02-21-2012, 11:32 PM
In Jericho's latest memoir, he talks about how he wishes Rock v Hogan would have gone on last. He says that the crowd was totally dead for the title match because they spent themselves during Rock/Hogan.

I really need to read Jericho's books. That makes sense about the crowd, I just like when the title match finishes the show, but that's just me.


Was Smackdown worth watching? Was watching bball & hockey instead.

big nasty kcnut
02-21-2012, 11:55 PM
58 oh hell yeah punk bryan was great.

keg in kc
02-22-2012, 04:24 AM
Cena and Rock has to go on last. That's what people are paying to see. I got no problem with that, and I'm glad no title's involved there (doesn't need it).

Rare year where I like all the main events. Using last year as a guide, Danielson/Sheamus would open the show like Edge/Del Rio did for WM 27. Then Cody Rhodes and Big Show. Then the GM vs GM tag match. I'm not sure what this year's equivalent of Punk and Orton will be. Maybe that's the Kharma/Beth spot. Then taker/HHH HIAC. Something to cool the crowd needs to follow that. Then Punk and Jericho and then Rock and Cena.

Just a wild guess...

Pretty much a throw-away show last night, although the Punk/Danielson match was pretty great. I loved the ending of it, can't remember the last time I saw that. Perfect way to keep them both strong and to build the Longrenaitis feud.

blazzin311
02-22-2012, 05:33 AM
For those interested here are some of the tweets (in the order they occured) Punk and Chris Brown were sending back and forth. Things is, I can't figure out if this is staged or not.....my gut says no, but I'm still unsure.


CM Punk - "I would like @chrisbrown fight somebody that can defend themselves. Me curb stomping that turd would be a #wrestlemania moment."

Chris Brown - "Positivity regardless of how u feel! @CMPunk contact my assistant and I'll have em send u an autographed pic for my biggest FAN!!!"

Chris Brown - "@CMpunk needs more followers. Hes such a leader! Not to mention the roids hes on has made it utterly impossible for him pleasure a women."

CM Punk - "twitvid.com/4CAPE - This must be said." (twitvid.com link is embeded below)

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Chris Brown - "@CMPunk the video u just posted was cute! It's so funny how defensive u are."

Chris Brown - "And the fact that I really don't know who you are and could give a shit is the funny part!"

Chris Brown - "I miss the real wrestlers! ( Hacksaw Jim duggan, Brett the hitman heart, coco beware, rowdy roddy piper) #Notnopunks"

Chris Brown - "THE ROCK #Notnopunks"

Chris Brown - "Number one trend! IM DONE!"

Chris Brown - "We got them #Notnopunks tshirts on deck! Ask @TwonABMG and @Bighoodboss for yall sizes! Lol"

Chris Brown - @Symbolic_1: Didnt CM Punk start wit @chrisbrown first tho? : they need ratings bruh! I'm generous!"

Chris Brown - "Note:today will be the last day I bring @CMPunk existence up!The confrontations that people continuously bring my way are very amusing."

Chris Brown - "Cuz honestly, that shit is too time consuming to argue wit every person who has their own issues to deal with!"

CM Punk - "#aintnowomanbeater"

58kcfan89
02-22-2012, 06:37 AM
Can't sleep, so I cued up Punk vs. Bryan. Man.... Those 2 are freaking amazing. That has to be a long-term feud down the line (preferably leading into Mania).

And I can't help but think this Chris Brown/Punk thing has something else to it. Just seems so random...

Sofa King
02-22-2012, 08:35 AM
It's pretty clear to me that Chris Brown is the defensive one. Very very defensive.

blazzin311
02-22-2012, 08:40 AM
It's pretty clear to me that Chris Brown is the defensive one. Very very defensive.

Well when you compare the three tweets that Punk sent to the dozen or so that Brown sent, it would certainly seem that way. Time will tell whether this "feud" escalates more so than the point it's already at. I for one would like to see Punk rip Chris Brown a new one. :D

big nasty kcnut
02-22-2012, 08:47 AM
No it's legit he told punk that he was a roid user and punk took offence for that. I know this won't be used for ratings because brown had this problem with andy levy on fox news show red eye.

keg in kc
02-22-2012, 09:09 AM
I was convinced it's all a work for mania as soon as they mentioned brown's tweet on smackdown last night mentioning "the real wrestlers! ( Hacksaw Jim duggan, Brett the hitman heart, coco beware, rowdy roddy piper)"

That reads like a line he was fed.