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keg in kc
01-10-2008, 07:18 AM
I was okay with AJ for a while, but once they did that angle in his house last thursday, I'd had enough. That was maybe the worst segment I've ever seen on any wrestling show, and they kept coming back to it, over and over.

Swanman
01-10-2008, 07:54 AM
Thank god for ROH, that's all I have to say.

ROH is coming back to Chicago on 1/26, and the matches announced so far are:

Nigel McGuinness vs. Roderick Strong
Delirious vs. Adam Pearce in a dog collar match
3-way tag team scramble: Vulture Squad vs. Age of the Fall vs. BJ Whitmer & Brent Albright
Mark Briscoe vs. Necro Butcher - No DQ Match
Claudio Castagnoli vs. El Generico

That is going to be some rasslin' goodness, I can't wait for the show.

Ultra Peanut
01-10-2008, 10:17 AM
I was okay with AJ for a while, but once they did that angle in his house last thursday, I'd had enough. That was maybe the worst segment I've ever seen on any wrestling show, and they kept coming back to it, over and over.Ah, okay. I didn't have the, um, "pleasure" of seeing that.

I guess I'll TiVo tonight's iMPACT!, but only to see Kong.

unothadeal
01-10-2008, 08:09 PM
IM HAVING TROUBLE CONTROLLING THE VOLUME OF MY VOICE

Mecca
01-10-2008, 09:52 PM
There's a rumor circulating that Chris Harris is on his way to WWE.

keg in kc
01-13-2008, 07:11 PM
There's a rumor circulating that Chris Harris is on his way to WWE.Rumor's confirmed I think.

Meltzer's reporting now that Paul Wight's back with WWE, as well, and at a sveldt 440 pounds.

Ultra Peanut
01-13-2008, 07:41 PM
Great news for the Wildcat. The worst case scenario for him now is that he gets dumped by the E and goes back to TNA for his obligatory world title run.

Joe... oh, Joe. Please get out of there.

Simply Red
01-13-2008, 07:47 PM
Great news for the Wildcat. The worst case scenario for him now is that he gets dumped by the E and goes back to TNA for his obligatory world title run.

Joe... oh, Joe. Please get out of there.
Where do they even air wrestling anymore? I never catch it. Does TNT still show it from time-to-time?

keg in kc
01-13-2008, 08:00 PM
I think I also read that Ron Killings signed a deal with double double e, and he's skipping developmental, so we may be seeing him soon.

Ultra Peanut
01-13-2008, 08:08 PM
Yup yup. The Truth is also outta there. Lucky boy.

Also, I love that Double Double E is sticking around a year later even though Koslov was so worthless he never even had a match.

Where do they even air wrestling anymore? I never catch it. Does TNT still show it from time-to-time?Oh, how I wish... :sulk:

Monday - WWE Raw on USA, 8-10:05
Tuesday - ECW on Sci-Fi on Sci-Fi, 9-10:05
Thursday - TNA iMPACT! on SpikeTV, 8-10 (Only watch this if you want/have brain damage)
Friday - WWE Smackdown! on the CW, 8-10

keg in kc
01-13-2008, 08:11 PM
ECW has been really bad the last few weeks. The whole Chavo out of the blue feud with CM Punk and the weak finishes therin have almost turned me off to young Mr. Punk. It makes me wonder if they've decided his reign's gone long enough, or that he's better chasing a title than he is defending one.

Either way, Chavo's obviously beating him Tuesday in one of the more head-scratching and meaningless feuds going on atm.

And god, I wish Big Fatty V would just go away.

Simply Red
01-13-2008, 08:14 PM
Oh, how I wish... :sulk:

Monday - WWE Raw on USA, 8-10:05
Tuesday - ECW on Sci-Fi on Sci-Fi, 9-10:05
Thursday - TNA iMPACT! on SpikeTV, 8-10 (Only watch this if you want/have brain damage)
Friday - WWE Smackdown! on the CW, 8-10
What was significant about TNT? Was the coverage better? err...*shrug*

Ultra Peanut
01-13-2008, 08:15 PM
Yeah, ECW's been a lot less fun lately now that it's less "throw 2-4 of these guys out there and let them have a great match" and basically turned into Velocity with a belt, but on the bright side, Colin's going to win one someday, and damnit, I'm going to be watching!

Ultra Peanut
01-13-2008, 08:20 PM
What was significant about TNT? Was the coverage better? err...*shrug*TNT was the home of WCW Monday Nitro, an often-ridiculous but incredibly fun show. The company died a slow, agonizing, completely avoidable death before being sold to the then-WWF for two bucks and a can of Tab.

Simply Red
01-13-2008, 08:22 PM
TNT was the home of WCW Monday Nitro, an often-ridiculous but incredibly fun show. The company died a slow, agonizing, completely avoidable death before being sold to the then-WWF for two bucks and a can of Tab.
I see.

Ultra Peanut
01-13-2008, 08:24 PM
Oh, and I forgot the current highlight of the wrestling week: UWF reruns are being shown on ESPN Classic at 12 AM (I think) every weeknight, and it's gloriously awful. It really is even worse than TNA, but at least Herb Abrams and Bruno Sammartino were just incompetent when it came to calling the "action" rather than being irritating as ****.

Come one, come all to see Captain Lou Albano, JIMMY MOTHER****IN VALIANT, Cowboy Bob Orton, Cactus Jack, Dr. Death, and more squash matches and non-decisive main event finishes than you can shake a stick at!

Simply Red
01-13-2008, 08:24 PM
And Tab isn't even that tasty.

keg in kc
01-14-2008, 05:42 PM
Figured this would fit better here than in DC:

Monster Kane gets political (http://winnipegsun.com/Sports/OtherSports/2008/01/12/4768914-sun.html)

By TIM BAINES
Winnipeg Sun

The U.S. presidential campaign has fire and brimstone.

WWE star Kane, at one time characterized as a monster, is backing congressman Ron Paul as the Republican candidate.

Said Glenn Jacobs, whose job as Kane is to leave a trail of fallen bodies: "If you're like me, you're tired of unnecessary and exorbitant taxes, you're tired of the (U.S.) dollar constantly losing purchasing power, and you're alarmed when politicians demand that we surrender our constitutionally protected civil liberties, especially the bedrock principles of habeas corpus and due process, in exchange for 'security.' "

The political leanings don't stop with Kane.

Val Venis (Canadian Sean Morley) is also endorsing Paul. But he's not the highest-profile (storyline) ex-porn star taking a political stand. Queen of Porn Jenna Jameson, the main squeeze of UFC star Tito Ortiz, has climbed aboard the Hillary Clinton train (insert Bill Clinton joke here).


And Ric Flair is supporting Mike Huckabee. Hope Huckabee knows that the Nature Boy is the Dirtiest Player in the Game. Just when he doesn't expect it, he'll get the double finger to the eyes.




Not surprised that Venis is backing Paul, he's been a vocal Libertarian for years. I didn't know Kane ever got political.

keg in kc
01-14-2008, 07:41 PM
Lance Storm with maybe the best idea I've heard in ages: http://www.stormwrestling.com/011408.html

unothadeal
01-14-2008, 08:10 PM
Who has bigger tittays? Big Daddy V or JBL?

Ultra Peanut
01-14-2008, 08:30 PM
Lance Storm with maybe the best idea I've heard in ages: http://www.stormwrestling.com/011408.htmlUm, God DAMN.

That would be incredible.

Simply Red
01-14-2008, 08:37 PM
Um, God DAMN.

That would be incredible.
do you have directv? If so; what channel?

Ultra Peanut
01-14-2008, 08:45 PM
242 right now, 244 Tuesday, 325 Thursday (Don't watch this, seriously), and whatever your local CW station is on Fridays.

Simply Red
01-14-2008, 08:48 PM
242 right now, 244 Tuesday, 325 Thursday (Don't watch this, seriously), and whatever your local CW station is on Fridays.
This is comical. We pay close to 200 per month for ten-sets and have all of the movie channels. YET I DON'T GET USA!!!

Ultra Peanut
01-14-2008, 09:27 PM
I'm completely desensitized to pyro now. Jesus.

Captain Obvious
01-14-2008, 10:08 PM
That was f'ing awesome.

Mecca
01-14-2008, 10:10 PM
Jeff Hardy brings nuts.......cool finish though.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-14-2008, 10:15 PM
The look on the ref's face when Orton started the match with a nutshot was classic.

keg in kc
01-15-2008, 08:09 AM
They're turning Jeff Hardy into a major star. Great match with umanga last week, and an awesome ending to this show.

Sfeihc
01-15-2008, 08:50 AM
Hardy is crazy. He's making RAW watchable again, hopefully he won't get buried post RR.

Ultra Peanut
01-15-2008, 09:29 AM
hey guys Raw was kind of b

http://i8.tinypic.com/87asjrr.gif

amazing, amazing

keg in kc
01-15-2008, 10:55 AM
I loved it when miniTista was doing all the Blahtista moves to the midget about as well as Blahtista does to the regular roster guys. Cheers for competent midget wrestlers.

Although Raw is quickly turning into 1:45 minutes of shit, and 15 minutes of Jeff Hardy saving the show.

Mr. Arrowhead
01-15-2008, 12:41 PM
Rumor's confirmed I think.

Meltzer's reporting now that Paul Wight's back with WWE, as well, and at a sveldt 440 pounds.
Yea Mr. Paul Wight ex WSU center

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-15-2008, 01:26 PM
They're turning Jeff Hardy into a major star. Great match with umanga last week, and an awesome ending to this show.

Yeah, but it's only a matter of time before Triple Hay-tch gets the belt.

keg in kc
01-16-2008, 10:48 AM
Just finished watching ECW and it's yet again another WTF show.

So they're slowing building sympathy for Colin Delaney/Olson, and what do they do? Have the always-over Kane smash him. So now the crowd is cheering his beating. Okay.

And the part with Edge and Punk at the beginning was fine, but the whole Chavo thing is stupid. Chavo can't beat him, obviously, because he's lost twice and it takes a count-out after a cheapshot from Edge to get him his title shot. And we're supposed to give a shit about that match next week.

This is slowly turning into TNA.

BigRock
01-16-2008, 03:45 PM
DX on how much clearer and sharper things will appear when WWE starts in HD.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9759/dxye5.jpg

Ultra Peanut
01-18-2008, 09:26 AM
So I'm watching TNA, and uh... uh... the Sharkboy family segment. What the **** am I watching?

I don't know why I'm even using this stupid shit as background noise.

So they're slowing building sympathy for Colin Delaney/Olson, and what do they do? Have the always-over Kane smash him. So now the crowd is cheering his beating. Okay.Yeah, that was dumb. Keep feeding him to heels, morons. How complicated is that?

Ultra Peanut
01-23-2008, 02:11 AM
Raw was pretty solid. The new set is hilariously excessive, and I love it.

On ECW, Kofi and Colin need to team up and be awesome together. And that Tomko-wannabe who jobbed to him should just quit wrestling altogether, because he was unbelievably awful.

The Edguerreros are pretty cool, though I hope Punk gets the title back at the Rumble.

Ultra Peanut
01-24-2008, 09:22 PM
FINALLY, a way to make TNA entertaining:

If you guys want to have fun with TNA you should play the TNA cut game.

It is easy. Everytime they cut to a camera begin counting. 1...2...3... etc. You will almost NEVER get to 5, you will barely ever get to 4, three sometimes happens. Normally it goes, 1... 2... 1... 1... 1... 2... 1... 2... 1..1..1.It doesn't work backstage, of course, but it's ****ing hilarious when they're in the ring.

TNA makes WSX look laid back.

keg in kc
01-24-2008, 09:43 PM
It's like they're building up Punk to go to Smackdown and feud with Edge, which I don't get at all. I think this feud with Chavo's killing him.

I can't wait until Triple Haitch wins on Saturday, so we can see him headline mania. Although maybe they'll bring back big show and have him win it (too soon).

yay.

No lashley comeback either, I guess. Still not sure what the story on his release is.

Apparently we will be seeing KWIK in double double e, however.

Ultra Peanut
01-24-2008, 09:50 PM
What the ****, Babby got released?! Good thing they did Cena-Lashley at the GAB.

Next up: Lashley goes to TNA, squashes Joe, wins the title over Angle, loses the title to Angle, and gets a new gimmick as a beekeeper or some shit.

Oh, I see that he apparently quit. Black Lesnar indeed.

JESUS ****ING CHRIST THEY'RE RUNNING WITH SHARK BOY'S AUSTIN IMPRESSION THIS IS THE WORST COMPANY EVER

keg in kc
01-24-2008, 09:53 PM
It sure didn't sound like he quit judging by the statement on his website yesterday, but I haven't looked up anything new on it tonight.

Impact! is going on my dvr tonight. Sounds like it's going to get erased.

Ultra Peanut
01-24-2008, 09:55 PM
It's the sort of show that sounds hilarious when you're looking at it five years from now, but in reality it's just constant pain.

keg in kc
01-24-2008, 09:58 PM
I didn't see it, but I heard last week's global impact was great.

That's what's so sad about that company. They have the talent to be legit competition for the E. Too bad the folks in charge are morons.

Ultra Peanut
01-24-2008, 10:01 PM
They have the talent to put on amazing shows every week and really grow as a company. Instead, they have three-minute matches (not even an exaggeration) and a neverending barrage of utterly retarded storylines, as well as frequent cries for attention and PPVs designed to promote their TV show, rather than the other way around.

Everything about TNA, except for the wrestling talent, is a complete abomination. The UWF replays on ESPN Classic show what a cluster**** that company was, but TNA is doing less with more.

keg in kc
01-24-2008, 10:03 PM
In my opinion, they need to go back to "we are wrestling" and drop all the soap opera shit. Leave that to the WWE (who's much better at it...), and focus on in-ring work.

Never happen, of course...

Ultra Peanut
01-24-2008, 10:05 PM
Most of the time they're like a backyard version of WWE as written by a severely autistic child, and then other times they want to be like CHIKARA or HUSTLE (see Machismo, Shark Cold). Kind of like Angle's MPD, where he's goofy Kurt and serious badass Kurt AT THE SAME ****ING TIME.

God, I ****ing hate TNA so much it makes my stomach hurt. If I worked for them, I honestly don't know how I'd be able to avoid killing myself.

You're right about leaving storylines to the WWE. They're not always perfect at it, but look at the companies' respective video packages. WWE's video pieces are ****ing INCREDIBLE; they make garbage look like gold. TNA, on the other hand, ranges from mediocre to YOUR FIRED.

What the bloody Jesus is Kendall Gill doing on TNA?

Ultra Peanut
01-24-2008, 10:18 PM
Why do they "fire" Daniels and then bring in a FAKE Curry Man? Jesus Christ, everything TNA does is wrong.

Reaper16
01-25-2008, 12:23 AM
When Shark Boy dropped the Stone Cold Stunnner last night... I had not felt rage to that degree since late December. TNA causes me to suffer actual pain.

keg in kc
01-25-2008, 01:29 AM
I watched it.

All of it.

It's like a car wreck.

I can't turn away.

keg in kc
01-25-2008, 08:46 PM
Can't say I ever thought I'd be watching a CM Punk/Edge main event on Smackdown. This is a bit surreal.

keg in kc
01-25-2008, 09:06 PM
Well, Phil didn't look too bad, botched spot off the top rope aside. Clean loss, but they didn't just job him in 90 seconds. He might do okay in a program with Edge.

unothadeal
01-25-2008, 09:09 PM
That was very anti-climatic.

keg in kc
01-25-2008, 09:09 PM
Random thought: I wonder when we're ever going to see Colt Cabana?

BigRock
01-25-2008, 11:20 PM
Holy crap, Mike Adamle!

As co-host of the original American Gladiators series, Mike Adamle has witnessed his fair share of punches, kicks and body slams. Good thing, too. All the better to prepare him for his latest role: WWE on-air personality.

Best known for his Gladiator role (1989 – 1996), Adamle joins the WWE broadcast team this Sunday at the Royal Rumble, where he’ll get his feet wet interviewing Superstars. From there, Adamle will join team Raw on Monday nights doing, as he describes it, “a little bit of everything.”

Growing up near Chicago, the sportscaster says his ties to wrestling go way back. “I remember going to see matches with my Dad and my sister,” Adamle fondly recalls. “We would watch Bobo Brazil do his move called the Coco Butt, [a head butt].”

Adamle says he appreciates the innovation of Superstars such as “Stone Cold” Steve Austin and current American Gladiators co-host Hulk Hogan.

“Anytime you have an athlete who’s remembered years afterward, that’s special,” he says.

These days, Adamle admires a host of Superstars, but when pressed on which pair he’d particularly be thrilled to see clash, the man who’s covered two Olympic Games doesn’t hesitate.

“Triple H going up against Randy Orton would be a great match,” replies Adamle. “You’ve got two tremendous athletes and a lot of showmanship.”

As a former NFL running back in the early 1970s, Adamle says he’s encouraged by the showier aspects of sports-entertainment.

“Even as a [football player], I always felt I was an entertainer first,” he says. “After I’d make a great play on special teams, I’d try to wave to the crowd. Now, when someone scores a touchdown and celebrates, they’re penalized. In the WWE, they’re encouraged.”

Adamle’s NFL days may be behind him, but that doesn’t mean he’s confined to the couch. Several years ago, after feeling a few aches and pains and having put on some extra poundage, Adamle decided to refocus by training for a triathlon. “I finished in about 14 hours,” recalls Adamle of his first crack at the competition.

Since then, he’s competed in four more triathlons and shaved roughly two hours off his time. Despite being so fit, however, Adamle says he’s more comfortable interviewing Superstars as opposed to battling them.

“I feel like I’m not big enough to compete against these guys,” says the 5-foot-9-inch Adamle, with a chuckle. “They’d have to start me off against Hornswoggle.”

Zeke Ziggle
01-26-2008, 02:26 AM
Random thought: I wonder when we're ever going to see Colt Cabana?
Just a crazy idea but considering that ace steel is also in developmental a edge & the edgeheads against a reformed second city saints would work well. Of course the chances of that happening are slim to none. and alot closer to none

Ultra Peanut
01-26-2008, 03:30 AM
I love Edge. Love him so very much.

But I hate the ****ing Spear more and more every time he uses it.

HolmeZz
01-26-2008, 03:53 AM
BRING BACK THE DOWNWARD SPIRAL

keg in kc
01-26-2008, 03:23 PM
David Lagana get shitcanned yesterday apparently. Guess there'll be some changes on ECW.

Ultra Peanut
01-26-2008, 03:28 PM
David Lagana get shitcanned yesterday apparently. Guess there'll be some changes on ECW.Ohhhhhh ****. But then, I guess Velocity didn't need a dedicated writer, either.

BigRock
01-26-2008, 04:59 PM
No love for Mike Adamle? He was drafted by the Chiefs!

keg in kc
01-27-2008, 01:19 AM
My predictions for tonight:

Jeff Hardy loses and goes straight back to the midcard.
Triple H wins.

I wonder who fills out the 30. I think they were 6 short on the last list I saw.

keg in kc
01-27-2008, 01:20 AM
If you ever wondered whether Vince is insane or not:WWE's Upcoming Incest Storyline Update; Vince's Idea (http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/8195)

Date Added: January 26, 2008
Story By: Steve Carrier
Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Vince McMahon has given his approval for a storyline involving incest. We first reported on the angle tat would involve Ohio Valley Wrestling wrestlers Katie Lea and Paul Burchill last week. The angle would likely take place on either ECW or Raw, because there is some concern that it would get the wrong kind of heat if it were to take place on SmackDown -- which is on network television.

McMahon has wanted to do an incest angle for years. He once suggested that he be the father of his daughter Stephanie's baby. As revealed on the McMahon DVD, Stephanie turned down the angle. According to her, Vince was to reveal himself as the father of her baby; when she said no, he pushed for Shane to be the father, but she turned that idea down as well.

The incest idea was first batted around in 1999 where Ken Shamrock and Ryan Shamrock (his storyline sister) would end up as lovers. Ken nixed the idea and that was the beginning of the end of his push at the time. There is some irony in the angle as Ken and Ryan ended up as a real-life couple at around the same time frame.

Der Flöprer
01-27-2008, 02:29 AM
If you ever wondered whether Vince is insane or not:


I remember watching Raw a few years ago and watching Vince stare lovingly in a very perverse kind of way at Steph's new tits. I thought to myself then that we was a real life nutbag. I mean, acting or not, who the **** plays that kind of a storyline? He made a real show of it, I'm sure you guys remember it. It was definitely creepy.

Boris The Great
01-27-2008, 04:19 AM
I remember watching Raw a few years ago and watching Vince stare lovingly in a very perverse kind of way at Stephs new tits. I thought to myself then that we was a real life nutbag. I mean, acting or not, who the **** plays that kind of a storyline? He made a real show of it, Im sure you guys remember it. It was definitely creepy.
Wanting to be the storyline father of her baby is off the page crazy, but I give him a total pass on the boob thing. Do you remember that dress Steph had on? Good lord. The Pope would have taken a peek at those tits.

I wonder if she breast fed her kid.....

BigRock
01-27-2008, 04:37 PM
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6919/stephmotivatorzw0.jpg

Bowser
01-27-2008, 04:55 PM
LMAO

Brutal, plus just plain gross!

HolmeZz
01-27-2008, 07:47 PM
Any sopcast channel for the Rumble?

dirk digler
01-27-2008, 08:45 PM
Any sopcast channel for the Rumble?

http://www.lovelypk.com/voips/voip-sop.html

BS Hardy deserved the win

keg in kc
01-27-2008, 09:12 PM
Looks like I got the first prediction right. Damn.

dirk digler
01-27-2008, 09:22 PM
Rowdy Roddy Piper and Jimmy Superfly Snuka now in the Royal Rumble

dirk digler
01-27-2008, 09:31 PM
Undertaker and Shawn Michaels both eliminated

I guess this means Triple H will win the RR

keg in kc
01-27-2008, 09:35 PM
HHH 29.

Yeah, he doesn't hold anybody back. Not him.

keg in kc
01-27-2008, 09:37 PM
Oh shit, Cena.

kstater
01-27-2008, 09:37 PM
Cena back

keg in kc
01-27-2008, 09:40 PM
They did a great swerve with that. He was interviewed this week saying there's no way he'd be back before mania.

dirk digler
01-27-2008, 09:46 PM
HAHA CENA IS BACK

keg in kc
01-27-2008, 09:47 PM
Holy shit, lol.

Well, that's going to leave a mark.

Glad I was wrong about HHH winning, either way. I'm genuinely amazed he was willing to job.

dirk digler
01-27-2008, 09:48 PM
YES!!

keg in kc
01-27-2008, 09:49 PM
Sadly, this all but guarantees the end of prediction #1. Hardy gets buried now.

dirk digler
01-27-2008, 09:50 PM
Sadly, this all but guarantees the end of prediction #1. Hardy gets buried now.

Yep. First Jericho and now Hardy. I was really wanting Hardy to win but now it all makes sense.

Orton vs Cena at Wrestlemania and Cena is going to win

keg in kc
01-27-2008, 09:54 PM
Yeah, we're looking at Cena/Orton, HHH/Batista and Edge/Taker. Cause something tells me Cena won't be challenging Chavo.

Sad part is, that puts Jeff Hardy in the MitB match, or up against someone like Kennedy (although it's looking to be Kennedy/HBK...).

Question is, who's going to end Flair's career at WM?

dirk digler
01-27-2008, 09:58 PM
Yeah, we're looking at Cena/Orton, HHH/Batista and Edge/Taker. Cause something tells me Cena won't be challenging Chavo.

Sad part is, that puts Jeff Hardy in the MitB match, or up against someone like Kennedy (although it's looking to be Kennedy/HBK...).

Question is, who's going to end Flair's career at WM?

HHH could win the title at NWO and face Cena at WM. But I doubt it

Reaper16
01-27-2008, 09:58 PM
The rage building up inside of me is immense. It is my dearest hope that the citizens of New York riot and maybe cause Cena to get re-injured and maybe kill everyone who made the decision for Cena to win. That felt like opening up a small explosive where a Christmas present should have been.

keg in kc
01-27-2008, 09:59 PM
Got to give props to them, because nobody saw that coming.

keg in kc
01-27-2008, 10:00 PM
The rage building up inside of me is immense. It is my dearest hope that the citizens of New York riot and maybe cause Cena to get re-injured and maybe kill everyone who made the decision for Cena to win. That felt like opening up a small explosive where a Christmas present should have been.The funniest part is that MSG totally marked-out for him. Then a minute later they realized what they'd done.

ROFL

BigRock
01-27-2008, 10:00 PM
Sad part is, that puts Jeff Hardy in the MitB match, or up against someone like Kennedy (although it's looking to be Kennedy/HBK...).

Question is, who's going to end Flair's career at WM?
They hinted at Flair vs. Kennedy on the show. Switch around your matches and that leaves HBK vs. Jeff Hardy, which would be a big match for Jeff. They could even do a ladder match, which would be great. But they wouldn't do two ladder matches, so Money in the Bank would have to go.

dirk digler
01-27-2008, 10:01 PM
The funniest part is that MSG totally marked-out for him. Then a minute later they realized what they'd done.

ROFL

I totally marked out. I like Cena though and if it wasn't for Hardy the WWE would be pretty boring while Cena was gone.

keg in kc
01-27-2008, 10:01 PM
They hinted at Flair vs. Kennedy on the show. Switch around your matches and that leaves HBK vs. Jeff Hardy, which would be a big match for Jeff. They could even do a ladder match, which would be great. But they wouldn't do two ladder matches, so Money in the Bank would have to go.Hell in a cell maybe.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-27-2008, 10:03 PM
WTF???

Cena was back after f*cking 3 1/2 months??

Talk about a quick healer.

Wow, I guess Mecca must really feel fooled now.

His original prediction was that HHH would beat Orton for the strap at the Rumble, which then turned into HHH winning the Rumble and then beating Orton @ 'Mania.

keg in kc
01-27-2008, 10:03 PM
How much you want to bet we'll get focus on Raw on how Hornswaggle never got eliminated.

unothadeal
01-27-2008, 10:08 PM
I thought there was no DQ in the Rumble.

Ultra Peanut
01-28-2008, 12:50 AM
Having HHH come out at 29 to ensure the IWC's collective groan was a great swerve, and the finish itself was pretty well done (if frustrating, upon the bitter realization it was going to be HHH-Orton or Cena-Orton). On the bright side, they can practically continue Cena-Orton where they left off if they're willing to let Orton be Mr. Headkicking Rapeface again.

I feel pretty bad for Hardy, though I have to admit I marked out at the awesome ReversalKO. Now that Cena's back, the poor guy's never, evvvver getting another shot as a main-eventer. Agayn.

How much you want to bet we'll get focus on Raw on how Hornswaggle never got eliminated.How the hell are they going to squeeze that in along with an hour and a half of Cena and a thirty-minute long Trips promo?

keg in kc
01-28-2008, 12:51 AM
Good point.

Swanman
01-28-2008, 08:13 AM
Just a crazy idea but considering that ace steel is also in developmental a edge & the edgeheads against a reformed second city saints would work well. Of course the chances of that happening are slim to none. and alot closer to none

From what I've read, it sounds like Ace Steel is being buried in OVW, so chances of him making it to the main shows are slim. Colt should make it up at some point. Also, WWE would not recycle an old ROH stable, no matter how great it was or how much sense it would make.

Looks like Matt Sydal is the recipient of a mega-push right now, so we'll probably be seeing him very soon on one of the main shows.

keg in kc
01-28-2008, 02:27 PM
Not sure what to make of this:- According to reports from inside Madison Square Garden last night, head SmackDown creative team writer Michael Hayes and CM Punk watched Ric Flair’s opening promo from the crowd last night. They quietly slipped out to the back once MVP made his way out to ringside.
Just seems a cool, respectful thing to do, but it might have been "school" too. I don't know.

I can't tell what they're doing with Punk. Pushing him? Punishing him?

Reaper16
01-28-2008, 02:38 PM
Not sure what to make of this:Just seems a cool, respectful thing to do, but it might have been "school" too. I don't know.

I can't tell what they're doing with Punk. Pushing him? Punishing him?
They're sure as heck punishing me with this Chavo title reign BS.

Swanman
01-28-2008, 03:46 PM
They're sure as heck punishing me with this Chavo title reign BS.

The only way I'll be happy with Punk losing the title is if they are grooming him to make a run at Edge on Smackdown.

keg in kc
01-28-2008, 03:56 PM
The only way I'll be happy with Punk losing the title is if they are grooming him to make a run at Edge on Smackdown.That's what's confusing about it. Edge beat him clean Friday without any outside assistance. That doesn't seem like the beginning of a push or a feud.

And I think this Chavo run has hurt him more than it's helped him, and it hurts the brand, too (which wasn't all that hot to begin with).

It's making me wonder if he isn't in the doghouse again. But I haven't heard anything.

keg in kc
01-28-2008, 04:11 PM
Tonight's Raw

- John Cena will also open the show tonight and discuss his victory at Royal Rumble last night.

- Triple H and a partner of his choice vs. Snitsky & Umaga

- WWE champion Randy Orton & JBL vs. WWE Intercontinental Champion Jeff Hardy & Chris Jericho

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-28-2008, 08:32 PM
God, I love the elimination chamber.

Mecca
01-28-2008, 08:49 PM
Watch...Big Show costs Cena at No Way Out....

HHH wins the chamber..

So H goes onto mainevent mania and win while Cena gets stuck with Big Show...when it comes to H the company will buck all tradition and even hose Cena who at this point is more important than H is.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-28-2008, 09:03 PM
Watch...Big Show costs Cena at No Way Out....

HHH wins the chamber..

So H goes onto mainevent mania and win while Cena gets stuck with Big Show...when it comes to H the company will buck all tradition and even hose Cena who at this point is more important than H is.

Do you really think they would bring back Cena 4 months early just to swerve the crowd for one night?? Vince is dumb at times, he's reckless at others, but he's not grotesquely retarded.

He's winning at Wrestlemania. End of story. Whether it is in a triple threat match of Cena-HHH-Orton, or Cena-HHH, he's winning.

I hate it, but that would be an abysmal business decision not to do so.

Mecca
01-28-2008, 09:14 PM
Well the original mania plans didn't involve Cena maineventing....so I wouldn't be surprised...

Either way H is going to weasel his way into the mainevent at the expense of someone. And if he were to go over Cena it would be pretty typical WWE.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-28-2008, 09:17 PM
Well the original mania plans didn't involve Cena maineventing....so I wouldn't be surprised...

Either way H is going to weasel his way into the mainevent at the expense of someone. And if he were to go over Cena it would be pretty typical WWE.

These original plans you've spoken of have been wrong at every step. We already went over this before.

Dirt sheets can't be trusted.

First it was HHH beats Hardy---Wrong
Then it was HHH beats Orton---Wrong
Then it was HHH wins the Rumble---Wrong.

Here's a ? I have, if HHH does mainevent, do they turn him heel or Cena, cause one of them will have to be unless both Cena and HHH wrestle Orton in a triple threat. Then you can keep them both face. Otherwise, your *plan* requires more convoluted booking than a 2000 version of Nitro.

kstater
01-28-2008, 09:22 PM
Cena vs Hornswaggle at WM

Mecca
01-28-2008, 09:25 PM
These original plans you've spoken of have been wrong at every step. We already went over this before.

Dirt sheets can't be trusted.

First it was HHH beats Hardy---Wrong
Then it was HHH beats Orton---Wrong
Then it was HHH wins the Rumble---Wrong.

Here's a ? I have, if HHH does mainevent, do they turn him heel or Cena, cause one of them will have to be unless both Cena and HHH wrestle Orton in a triple threat. Then you can keep them both face. Otherwise, your *plan* requires more convoluted booking than a 2000 version of Nitro.

Because they didn't do the same thing last year with HBK and Cena....

Also when you read plants you have to gauge off them because shit changes every 5 minutes. People get all up in arms about what Meltzer says and call it smarkbait or some shit like that, as quick as plans change it's hard to keep up...

But when I said original plans I was talking all the way back to their long term plans back before Cena was injured. With everyone available they were prepared to go into Mania without him maineventing. Now things change but just pointing out they had those thoughts at 1 time.

Mecca
01-28-2008, 09:26 PM
Cena vs Hornswaggle at WM

And this crowd lost all cool points, if you wanna gain them for booing Cena you lose all of them for cheering the midget.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-28-2008, 09:38 PM
Because they didn't do the same thing last year with HBK and Cena....

Also when you read plants you have to gauge off them because shit changes every 5 minutes. People get all up in arms about what Meltzer says and call it smarkbait or some shit like that, as quick as plans change it's hard to keep up...

But when I said original plans I was talking all the way back to their long term plans back before Cena was injured. With everyone available they were prepared to go into Mania without him maineventing. Now things change but just pointing out they had those thoughts at 1 time.

One of the main forms of counterintelligence is disinformation. It benefits the WWE to do things like toss false dirt sheets to the smarks.

Mecca
01-28-2008, 09:41 PM
One of the main forms of counterintelligence is disinformation. It benefits the WWE to do things like toss false dirt sheets to the smarks.

Well it depends who you are reading, I think some people think if they aren't right 100% of the time then it means they are stupid and never right.

Meltzer and Alvarez tend to be more credible than say Wade Keller. Now I expect Cena to mainevent and go over because it is by far the right thing to do, but this is a company that has screwed up more times than can be counted.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-28-2008, 09:54 PM
JBL has bigger tits than Maria.

keg in kc
01-28-2008, 11:00 PM
I'm kind of glad the WWE has put (or tried to put) the ixnay on newsleaks, because it allows something like Cena's return last night.

It's something I've learned over the years from spoiler sites on movies: knowing what's going to happen can really take the magic out of it sometimes.

keg in kc
01-28-2008, 11:03 PM
JBL is like a vacuum that sucks all life out of Raw. The show was really entertaining up until the main event, then it's 3 good wrestlers and jiggly out there.

All-in-all not a bad show, though.

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-28-2008, 11:15 PM
Ok, I'll definitely look at it, and spill seed while looking at it, but is anyone else a little bit disappointed that Maria posed nude?

It must be the GND thing. Once again, not a bad thing, but it seems more like something Mickie (again) or Melina would do.

keg in kc
01-28-2008, 11:16 PM
Not that she's particularly 'classy' to start with, but it does kind of kill any class and/or mystique she might have, yeah.

At least she won't be spreading the open stab wound the way Mickie did (not that I didn't enjoy that, either).

keg in kc
01-28-2008, 11:33 PM
Another thought is that Ron Killings may show up around NWO. Although unlike big show, I think he may need some build; I'm not sure anybody outside of a million or so people that follow TNA will have any idea who the random black dude that just showed up is.

Mecca
01-29-2008, 12:47 AM
Killings will probably end up a part of the SD/ECW crew and I don't expect him till after Mania since they consider that "the start of the new year"

BigRock
01-29-2008, 01:05 AM
Either way H is going to weasel his way into the mainevent at the expense of someone.
Every scenario for the main event has involved HHH being in it. So how would he be weasling his way into something he's always been in?

About the sheets, Meltzer tells the exact same story every year, starting in around August about how "the plan for Mania is for the belt to go to HHH". When was the last time that actually happened? Everyone was convinced he was beating Cena when they wrestled two years ago because it's all Meltzer was saying for months on end. Not only didn't he beat him, he never got the belt at all.

And about the "original" Mania plans, it wasn't a fact that Cena wouldn't be in a title match. When Meltzer first talked about it, he said HHH vs. Kennedy (when Kennedy was going to be Vince's son) would be for the title. But he said a week or two later on his audio show that he was just assuming, because Cena vs. Batista (the pre-injury plan) was a big enough match that he didn't think it needed a world title involved to draw.

But he said Cena/Batista could easily be the title match and HHH/Kennedy could be the big McMahon jerk-off with Vince dragging the whole family out again. He said they probably hadn't thought far enough ahead yet to know who they'd have the titles on by then, and at that early stage they just had ideas for matches they wanted.

And if he were to go over Cena it would be pretty typical WWE.
How's that? Cena has been booked like Superman for 3 years straight. The last two endings of WrestleMania have been Cena defending his title and winning. He's not an up and comer trying to break though. HHH is not holding him down.

Regardless of who he wrestles, he can stand to lose a match. Cena defending the title AGAIN and winning AGAIN is not going to do anything for WWE's business, except annoy the legions of people who already think he's being shoved down their throats. And I like Cena. But further making him look unbeatable isn't going to suddenly start a big ratings upswing.

I can't see them changing the world title twice in about a month, though, from Orton to Cena and then Cena to whoever. So I would guess either Cena wins at Mania or he's not in the title match.

Mecca
01-29-2008, 01:27 AM
In fairness the guy is their biggest draw and those guys rarely lose at Mania, faces almost always go over at Mania and top draws as well.

How many times did Hogan do a Mania job?

I like to take shots at Triple H because the guy in all fairness completely bucks things that everyone else went with. Here's an example...an incoming heel champion has only won at Mania 3 times in a mainevent match...H has 2 of those wins...

I've been to shows, Cena is the most over guy out there. He moves the most product he makes them the most money, so apparently a good majority of their audience doesn't reject him. He usually only gets that reaction in the smarky towns who think it's cool to boo the face wrestler.

I'm not even a Cena fan but he shouldn't be jobbing very often. His counterparts are Randy Orton who is a younger guy but isn't in his class..and a couple 40 year olds hangin on. Then there's Jericho who the WWE will never push as a top guy...Jeff Hardy who is major over but will probably always be stuck in the between spot and then there's JBL..the fat man titty havin guy that is treated like he was a huge star..that one I don't get.

keg in kc
01-29-2008, 01:37 AM
It was kind of funny last night at the rumble when it came down to triple h, batista and cena. It was like "which guy's going to blow a tire first?"

It amazes me that Cena's back. I'm not sure it's the smartest thing to do, but you have to respect a guy that's really putting himself on the line for a job he legitimately seems to love. Guys like hhh and batista give off this vibe that they're in the business for some other reason, maybe for themselves, but Cena doesn't. At least not to me.

I've said it before, but I absolutely hated the guy three years ago. But he's really grown on me.

He's going to be protected, too, backstage. Stephanie essentially "discovered" him. He has the big guns behind him.

Hell, can you see HHH doing the job he did Sunday for anybody else? Guy returns early from injury and Hun-Tor takes the fall. And then the next night on raw they have no kind of confrontation at all, no setup to prove Hun-Tor's supremacy...

Mecca
01-29-2008, 01:52 AM
The only guy I ever think has a chance to go over HHH is Cena because Vince will never allow Cena to be buried everyone else is fair game though....

As for the other things you said, other than his 1 injury Cena has been one of the more durable guys they've had. He's had 1 injury in the entire time he's been pushed. The other 2 guys are extremely injury prone though...

I think Triple H is in the business because he loves it but his agenda's will always be questioned. He idolized Flair growing up but the way he acts about himself and the way he does things speak more of Hogan. He's also put himself by marrying Stephanie in a position to still be relevant to wrestling for the rest of his life and possibly even longer. H is one of those guys who I think because of what he's into wrestling wise and all that has a great future when he retires. I think his mind for the business is outstanding just not when he's involved as being an active participant.

It's kind of weird to say this but when Vince is gone..the future of that company is going to rest more on Triple H than anyone, he's more right minded to the business than any of Vince's kids.

Batista got into it late for the money and women nothing more nothing less.

But I must post this..

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd132/robfrules/hhhpaper.jpg

Reaper16
01-29-2008, 01:55 AM
If Cena wasn't pushed as the end-all, be-all, Superman, Overcome-the-odds, never lose at all, excruciatingly long reigning champion whose gimmick consists entirely of being "Tha' Champ," then he'd be a lot more palatable.
You can tell that he cares about the industry, and despite his tendency towards 5 moves of doom, was involved in some of 2007's best matches.
If Cena was allowed to actually lose sometimes it'd be a lot better situation.

keg in kc
01-29-2008, 01:57 AM
No doubt, the future of the business is Levesque and Stephanie. It's a matter of when, and not if.

I think part of the reason I tire of him is because he's been doing the same gimmick for a decade. Which says something for his longevity, obviously. But eventually enough is enough.

keg in kc
01-29-2008, 01:58 AM
I don't know why, but I got the vibe watching Raw tonight that Cena's losing at No Way Out.

Mecca
01-29-2008, 02:02 AM
Triple H doesn't even have a gimmick anymore...sometimes he's DX guy other times he's bad ass other times he's just there...I couldn't even tell you what his gimmick is.

To what Reaper said, here's the only problem with that. If you want someone to get over you have to book them dominantly. If Cena loses matches now it's a huge deal because he never loses. You get to the point where just him jobbing can make someone a star.

The other thing is, this doesn't really apply to Cena now because he is already a star. But I hate 50/50 booking more than I hate star power booking. If you book everyone 50/50 no one really gets over you have a roster of just guys and no stars, TNA has a severe issue with this kind of booking.

keg in kc
01-29-2008, 02:19 AM
Triple H doesn't even have a gimmick anymore...sometimes he's DX guy other times he's bad ass other times he's just there...I couldn't even tell you what his gimmick is.At the core of it all, he's always the same guy. Hun-Tor the Barbarian. The King of Kings.

BigRock
01-29-2008, 04:22 AM
In fairness the guy is their biggest draw and those guys rarely lose at Mania, faces almost always go over at Mania and top draws as well.

How many times did Hogan do a Mania job?
That's just it, it's not 1987. If Hulk Hogan hadn't come along until 2005, and every show was ending with him kicking out of the other guy's finisher, dropping the leg, and posing, he'd be getting booed just like Cena is. Probably much worse, 'cause at least Cena's not that bad where it's the same formula every time.

But it's gotten to the point where there's no odds he can't overcome, no wrestler he can't beat. And, good lord, he just came back in 4 months from something they said would keep him out a year. Who is he, Jack Bauer? Does he have the healing ability of Wolverine?

And like I said, I like Cena. I'm not one of these too-cool-for-school guys in the crowd who dump on him. I think he's entertaining and better in the ring than a lot of people give him credit for. I've never cared when he wins. I thought the Rumble surprise was great.

But it's kinda gone from it being "cool" to hate Cena to the point where there's comparisons out there between Sunday's Rumble finish and WrestleMania 9 where they shoe-horned Hogan back in as world champion out of nowhere. This resentment like "Oh God, not Cena again".

Is it a horrible decision if he wins the belt and then wins at Mania? Not at all. But he could stand to lose, that's all I'm saying. Not all the time, not even again for the rest of 2008. Just once in a major match.

keg in kc
01-29-2008, 10:29 PM
OMFG, that was the greatest moment in the new ECW right there.

Reaper16
01-29-2008, 10:35 PM
http://i31.tinypic.com/sy87dj.gif

keg in kc
01-29-2008, 10:40 PM
Don't f*ck with the straight edge mariachi.

Reaper16
01-29-2008, 11:08 PM
"Welcome to Cabo San Lucas, mother****er!"

keg in kc
01-29-2008, 11:09 PM
All-in-all, excluding the fast-forward over the lost minutes known as the "diva segment" that was a pretty solid ECW.

Although I'm mixed on Colin Delaney. I'm not sure I liked the tease of him beating M&M, and I don't like Tommy Dreamer coming out.

Reaper16
01-29-2008, 11:14 PM
Basically, I want to see more Kofi Kingston. An Elijah Burke/Kofi Kingston program would give me a stiffy.

keg in kc
01-29-2008, 11:17 PM
Basically, I want to see more Kofi Kingston. An Elijah Burke/Kofi Kingston program would give me a stiffy.They need to form a stable and feud with CM Punk and Colt Cabana. Miz and Morrison (or at least Miz) need to disappear.

Reaper16
01-29-2008, 11:43 PM
They need to form a stable and feud with CM Punk and Colt Cabana.

:drool:

'Hamas' Jenkins
01-30-2008, 12:21 AM
In fairness the guy is their biggest draw and those guys rarely lose at Mania, faces almost always go over at Mania and top draws as well.

How many times did Hogan do a Mania job?

I like to take shots at Triple H because the guy in all fairness completely bucks things that everyone else went with. Here's an example...an incoming heel champion has only won at Mania 3 times in a mainevent match...H has 2 of those wins...

I've been to shows, Cena is the most over guy out there. He moves the most product he makes them the most money, so apparently a good majority of their audience doesn't reject him. He usually only gets that reaction in the smarky towns who think it's cool to boo the face wrestler.

I'm not even a Cena fan but he shouldn't be jobbing very often. His counterparts are Randy Orton who is a younger guy but isn't in his class..and a couple 40 year olds hangin on. Then there's Jericho who the WWE will never push as a top guy...Jeff Hardy who is major over but will probably always be stuck in the between spot and then there's JBL..the fat man titty havin guy that is treated like he was a huge star..that one I don't get.

You're right about Jericho, he's not big enough physically for Vince to ever push as *the* guy. He doesn't have "the look".

However, it's cherrypicking to say that HHH won the ME @ mania twice as a heel, because his match w/ Booker T at WM 19 was far more of a midcard match, and was one of those throwaway PPV matches that the champ needs to build his resume.

Angle-Lesnar, Hogan-Vince, and Rock-Austin were all built bigger and placed better on the card.

No, Cena shouldn't be jobbing often, but he's jobbed clean once in the last, what 4 years?? Hell, even Hogan would lay down for guys from time to time (I believe he was willing to job to the JYD @ one point but was overruled by a booker).

Seriously, he didn't lose clean to Edge when he lost the title (Elim. Chamber), or RVD (Edge). Michaels beat him with the Fluker Kick where he falls unconscious onto Cena, which basically replicates the finish from Rocky II every time.

Hardy shouldn't be champ. I'm sorry. The guy just can't talk at all. At all. It's embarrassing to hear him on the mic. He makes Benoit look like Santino in comparison. His inflection and voice are off the charts awful.

The fact of the matter, is that if they were smart, they'd build Cena and Orton up like Ali-Frazier. They are the two young guys who should be cornerstones of that company. If Cena ME's at 'Mania, it's a huge mistake, because Cena-Orton deserves a 4 month build, not this cobbled together, "Oh, shit WELLNESS" type of build they've done.

Oh, and JBL is the antithesis of Hardy. Slow, prodding, awful in the ring, gold on the mic.

keg in kc
01-30-2008, 01:09 AM
It looks like we're going to have the best and worst of chamber matches at no way out:

(this is a spoiler for friday...)

Long announced that No Way Out will feature an Elimination Chamber match with Undertaker vs. Batista vs. MVP vs. Finlay vs. Great Khali vs. Big Daddy V to determine who will challenge for the WWE World championship at Wrestlemania 24

Jesus, that just looks brutal.

keg in kc
01-30-2008, 01:12 AM
Makes me wonder if we're getting an ECW extreme! elimination chamber.

keg in kc
01-30-2008, 01:57 AM
I find this very interesting in the light of the ongoing Cena debate. It's from f4wonline.com (http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/4848/105/):Cena tore his pec muscle completely off the bone on the October 1, 2007 edition of Raw. He was working a main event with Mr. Kennedy and did a routine sit-out hiptoss, and upon landing totally blew out the pec. It was very clear he was hurt as he executed a poor armdrag and immediately began talking to the ref. The decision was made for him to continue the match, which at the time seemed awfully stupid because he could have done even more severe and possibly permanent damage. He finished up with one arm, often using his left arm to hold his right in position (including during the STFU finish), and then afterwards was beaten up and laid out as scheduled by Randy Orton. At first they thought it was an injured shoulder, but then the next day during a visit to James Andrews they determined that he'd torn the pec. Cena had been the longest-reigning champion since Hulk Hogan in the 80s and he very much wanted to drop the belt in the ring at the PPV the following Sunday, but the doctor told him if he wanted it to heal right they had to do surgery immediately.How ironic is that, if accurate.

keg in kc
01-30-2008, 02:10 AM
Possible answer on Phil, too, from the same newsletter:Regarding his loss to Chavo, clean loss to Edge a few days later in the big revenge match, and elimination by Chavo in the Rumble, we're told that Punk is in the dog house of late. The story is that he isn't listening to the agents and his house show matches are considered "indy level sloppy". He's botched a lot of stuff and the agents claim he comes to the back and laughs about it. There also may have been another political issue of some sort recently involving hitting on the wrong person.

Mecca
01-30-2008, 02:29 AM
Former TNA star since the company's inception in June 2002, Chris Harris, announced just minutes ago on his website that he has officially signed with WWE.

-- Meltz

Ultra Peanut
01-30-2008, 05:29 PM
Okay, I was wrong. Hulk Hogan is awesome.

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keg in kc
01-30-2008, 09:30 PM
God I hope they don't kill this angle:- Tommy Dreamer & Colin Delaney vs. The Miz & John Morrison has been announced for next week's ECW On Sci-Fi from Corpus Christi, Texas.

Swanman
01-30-2008, 11:40 PM
God I hope they don't kill this angle:

Tommy Dreamer & Colin Delaney vs. The Miz & John Morrison has been announced for next week's ECW On Sci-Fi from Corpus Christi, Texas.


Looks like they're going back and re-doing the Mikey Whipwreck/Mick Foley angle from ECW's early days. Not a bad angle to re-hash.

keg in kc
01-30-2008, 11:55 PM
It's classic booking, it's just the Tommy Dreamer part that I don't like. He's nothing special, really, as a wrestler, aside from the fact that he's a name so many people associate with "ECW". It worries me in that I hope that doesn't overshadow Delaney to the point that it becomes about Tommy Dreamer and not about the new geek...

BigRock
01-31-2008, 01:26 AM
I hope that doesn't overshadow Delaney to the point that it becomes about Tommy Dreamer
Dreamer is literally the last person that will ever happen with. He had to raise a stink in his column on WWE.com just to get added to the Royal Rumble match in his hometown.

Ultra Peanut
01-31-2008, 03:56 AM
Honestly, D&D vs. M&M seems fine to me. Anything that gets Colin on my TV.

Also, I loved Mariachi Punk. The face wearing a costume to ambush the heel has been done to death over the years, but it was still worth it for the amazing mustache.

Mecca
01-31-2008, 04:53 AM
Just so you guys know Colin isn't signed to a WWE deal and is just doing pay per appearance stuff so it's anyones guess where that goes...

Here's the whole F4W report this week...

Bobby Lashley is finished with WWE. We don't know the entire story yet because it's very complex, and of late Lashley has opted out of talking much about it because he has not officially been released and he wants to make sure he gets that release without any problems. This is what I know. Lashley was very upset with the handling of his girlfriend Krystal and her departure from the company several months back.

She had gotten a reputation as being difficult to work with, and in particular I believe she had ixnayed a storyline that would have put her in the Vickie Guerrero role as Edge's love interest. I know that Lashley is the one who wanted out of WWE and not vice versa, and he didn't want out to go to UFC or EliteXC or TNA or anywhere else, he just wanted out of WWE. On his website last week, he wrote: "I am sorry to everyone here but I am serious when I say I won't be back. Everyone wants to come here and hear the real story and I am telling you the real story. Circumstances which are out of my control left me no decision but to leave the WWE. I can't go into details of this now but like I said before sometimes people will hate you personally and try to destroy you which has happened here. Evil has prevailed however like I said before if you continue your struggle doors will open around these people. You have not scene the last of me so please don't stop your support. Add Bobby Lashley to the list of RECENTLY RELEASED!"

There were people who doubted that Lashley actually posted this, so he went on his message board and said if anyone didn't believe him they could PM him their number and he'd call them personally to verify it. Believe it or not, he called several people. The aspect of this that WWE does not want to talk about is that it may have had to do with an old-school "racist" mentality by some of the older agents and power brokers in the company. I put "racist" in quotation marks because, as someone who has been around this business in some form for over a decade, including in the ring and backstage, there is, dating back decades, a tendency for older wrestlers to really go heavy on the racial slurs. I don't know if any of these people are actually racist, although the odds are that some of them are.

But I have known older wrestlers who have flippantly thrown slurs around and I can tell you that they were not racist, it was just the way they were brought up on the road in the business. The point is that there are individuals in WWE who still throw slurs around, maybe not so much to people's faces but behind their backs, and a few of them when they get drunk got at it really hot and heavy. I'm told the original reason for Mark Henry being called the "Silverback" was because one of the writers was constantly referring to him as King Kong. Whether that was a racial jibe or not, who knows, but the writer in question is one of those known to throw these terms around. The belief is that the reason Krystal balked at the Edge storyline was because she was concerned that a racial element would be brought into the story, and she was vigorously against that. Shortly thereafter she was released, which did not sit well with Bobby.

I don't know if something was heard or said recently, but there is certainly a belief by some that this in some way, perhaps minor and perhaps major, played into the Lashley departure. It should be noted that Lashley was upset with a number of things for quite awhile now, and it may be a situation where a bunch of little things added up and something big may or may not have broken the camel's back. What he'll do now is anyone's guess. Had he come along a few years later he almost certainly would have gone into MMA instead of pro-wrestling. In fact, he was training at the American Kickboxing Academy in 2004, but that was before UFC exploded and so when he got the WWE offer he took it. He currently lives in Colorado and trains with the Army wrestling squads, and has also trained quite a bit in an Octagon with a friend who does MMA locally. He's a big UFC fan and would obviously be interested in giving it a shot, but unlike Brock Lesnar he doesn't have the name yet that would make such a thing financially viable at the start.

He'd have to pay for all of his own training, and even Brock has been training full-time for two years prior to his debut this Saturday. In two years, what will Lashley's name mean? He'd pretty much have to start at the bottom like anyone else for a few thousand bucks a shot and work his way up from there. Of course, there are all sorts of upstart groups, including the new YAMMA, who may want to throw big money at him, particularly if Brock destroys Mir on Saturday.

At 31 he's starting awfully late, though he does have the strong wrestling background (two-time Armed Forces champion, NAIA wrestling champion in 1997 and 1998, and a Missouri Valley College National Champion in 96, 97 and 98). TNA is obviously salivating at the chance to bring him in, but my gut tells me that would be a last-case scenario for him, although I could be wrong.

Among the tentative plans for WrestleMania, and I can guarantee that this will probably change 100 times: Cena vs. Hunter for the title, which means the plan right now is for Cena to win the belt from Orton at No Way Out. I have also heard it may end up a three-way with Orton, Cena and Hunter.

Either way, the chances of Hunter not fighting for the belt at WrestleMania appear to be about zero. It's said he has been politicking like crazy ever since Sunday night; Edge vs. Undertaker for the belts and the Mania streak, which has been the plan pretty much forever. They're doing TWO Elimination Chambers at No Way Out, so obviously Taker wins the other;

Flair vs. Kennedy, MVP vs. Matt Hardy for the US Title, which has been the plan forever; the remaining big stars (Hardy, Orton if he's not in the title match, etc.) in Money in the Bank; and something involving Vince and Finlay, though not necessarily a singles match. I have also heard Vince vs. Foley, Foley vs. Shane, or Finlay & Foley vs. Vince & Shane.


ECW writer David Lagana, who had been with the company for years and was at one point the head writer of Smackdown, was fired this past week. This had been something in the works for probably around two years or so. Stephanie fired him while he was on vacation and sent a one sentence terse e-mail to all the other writers saying that he had been terminated. It was said to be very cold unlike most e-mails where they at least put over the contributions of a dude who is leaving the company.

The gist of the story is that Stephanie believed that Lagana was responsible for leaking creative and management information to newsletters and websites. They had been watching him closely for years but could never prove it. The beginning of the end for him took place in May of 2006 during a creative meeting. The meetings take place at the building prior to TVs and PPVs, and the way it works is everyone gets together in a room with desks and such, very similar to a classroom layout.

Vince, Kevin Dunn, Steph and the lead writers are at the front of the class and all the low-level writers and agents sit at the desks. The writers go over the show and they do a read-through of the script, and then Vince makes all his comments/changes, etc. The agents also give their advice. So Lagana was sitting there at one of the desks on his laptop, and he usually sat in such a position where nobody could see his screen. But on this particular day there were people that could see his screen, and allegedly he was seen sending an e-mail with creative info to one of the major wrestling websites.

Nobody said anything at the moment, but after the meeting Stephanie was approached and told the entire story. She immediately confronted him and almost fired him on the spot, but he insisted he was innocent and managed to get off the hook. The key was, he was the tech guy in the company, where if anyone had a problem they went to him and he took care of it. He was very computer savvy and was able to permanently delete e-mails, likely hide IPs, whatever. The next week, however, he was immediately demoted from Smackdown to ECW. The picture that was painted was that it was a positive move, but it wasn't and he knew it.

He was working under Paul Heyman, who he'd known dating back to ECW. Still, he wasn't head writer and would basically just type up the scripts that Paul recited to him. Life got tough for him as he had a bad reputation from the Smackdown days of speaking down to the wrestlers (whether justified or not, that's what people believed), and people would make fun of him for his look (a dead ringer for the dude on Blue's Clues) and his voice ("Dr. Evil from Austin Powers").

Worse, when the Paul/Vince split went down he expected to be moved up to the head writer position of ECW but instead they moved Dusty into that spot. People said his confidence really started to erode at that point and things got really bad over the holidays. There were a great number of leaks, including stories about the viral campaign for Jericho and Mr. Kennedy being planned to be Vince's illegitimate son (and I should note, I got neither story from Lagana).

Stephanie blew a gasket and had a meeting with the agents saying there were to be absolutely no leaks and if you were discovered revealing information you would be fired on the spot. Without saying so directly, she said she thought she had a pretty good idea who was responsible and even looked directly at Lagana when saying it. That same afternoon, all the writers got laptop upgrades (everyone has a WWE-purchased laptop and Internet phone). The laptops, as it turned out, had shadowing software. Very shortly afterwards, Lagana was fired. The belief among the rest of the crew was that Steph had been feeding him false info on very specific information to see if it would get out, and it did.

There was also an incident a few weeks ago where Brian Gewirtz went into Lagana's office and sticking out of his laptop bag were a bunch of newsletters. Lagana tried to hide them but failed, then claimed that he wasn't actually reading them but they kept showing up because his subscription was yet to run out and he'd just happened to pick his mail up from home. Gewirtz then made snide remarks over the next several days about how he wasn't surprised that news kept getting leaked. Michael Hayes, who hates newsletters and websites, also began to really bury him right and left, apparently in a really demoralizing manner.

The level of paranoia in the company is truly astounding. Not sure if Stephanie realizes that people have home computers, home phones, private cell phones, pay phones, stamps and paper, etc. Still, because of the misinformation deal, writers are likely to be more leery about what information they share for the foreseeable future.

Regarding his loss to Chavo, clean loss to Edge a few days later in the big revenge match, and elimination by Chavo in the Rumble, we're told that Punk is in the dog house of late. The story is that he isn't listening to the agents and his house show matches are considered "indy level sloppy". He's botched a lot of stuff and the agents claim he comes to the back and laughs about it. There also may have been another political issue of some sort recently involving hitting on the wrong person.

American Gladiators goes to 90 minutes on February 4th

Nick Hogan had a pretrial hearing this week and the judge waived his right to a speedy trial. He's back in court on February 6th.

There are casting calls for the next season of Gladiators all this week and next week throughout America.

New announcer Mike Adamle, besides being part of the original season of American Gladiators, worked at WBBM in Chicago for four years and was said to be, and I quote, "TERRIBLE live." He was so bad that radio disc jockey Steve Dahl would encourage fans to tune in to see him mess up, and they actually had several compilation tapes of his smurf-ups on newscasts.

Torrie is still out with a back problem. She told Yahoo that she'd just gotten four big shots in her back for a nerve block. "I've got two herniated discs and a bulging disc. And that's just me. I'm just a girl that doesn't wrestle half the amount that the guys wrestle. Some people's bodies take it better than others. I guess I'm just a little more fragile than most people".

Apolo (German Figueroa), who signed recently with WWE, is in jail for a month after missing a court hearing in Puerto Rico regarding his domestic abuse case with wife Habana (who also works as a valet). This is a grand level of stupidity because both sides had agreed to dismiss the case and all Apolo had to do was show up to court. But he'd missed a few court dates and this one set the judge off, so he ordered him imprisoned until the next court date on February 25th.

credit:F4W Newsletter

BigRock
02-01-2008, 02:31 PM
NSFW: http://www.sinsationpictures.com/movieinfo.php?id=697

Atta girl, Shelly. :thumb:

Now comes the next step: something in your butt.

unothadeal
02-01-2008, 11:17 PM
What's the word on Taker at Wrestlemania? My guess is He defeats Big Daddy V and Mark Henry in a handicap match.

keg in kc
02-01-2008, 11:26 PM
As far as I know, the word is still Taker/Edge, streak vs. streak. Who knows, though.

The bizarrity with CM Punk continued this week. He gets the shot on Chavo Tuesday and then gets in the pin to end a decent tag match tonight. And Cole was slobbering all over him early on, building him up as a guy good enough to headline not just ECW, but Smackdown, and pointing to his Rumble appearance as justification (?). All this within a couple weeks of losing clean to Edge, losing his title to Chavo and then getting eliminated by Chavo at the Rumble.

I have no idea where they're heading with him. And I'm not sure they do, either.

Mecca
02-01-2008, 11:29 PM
They're not going to bury Punk, I think his jobs were just a way to show "look cut it out" like a quick punishment but also not to take away his entire push.

Mecca
02-01-2008, 11:29 PM
NSFW: http://www.sinsationpictures.com/movieinfo.php?id=697

Atta girl, Shelly. :thumb:

Now comes the next step: something in your butt.

If you type her name into google you can get way better pics than that my man.

Zeke Ziggle
02-01-2008, 11:33 PM
As far as I know, the word is still Taker/Edge, streak vs. streak. Who knows, though.

The bizarrity with CM Punk continued this week. He gets the shot on Chavo Tuesday and then gets in the pin to end a decent tag match tonight. And Cole was slobbering all over him early on, building him up as a guy good enough to headline not just ECW, but Smackdown, and pointing to his Rumble appearance as justification (?). All this within a couple weeks of losing clean to Edge, losing his title to Chavo and then getting eliminated by Chavo at the Rumble.

I have no idea where they're heading with him. And I'm not sure they do, either.
I think the problem with their lack of ideas is that he wasn't meant to be pushed heavily. He is very Jericho-like in the way that he doesn't have the build that vinny mac likes but just has so much charisma that it is impossible for him to not get a reaction

Mecca
02-01-2008, 11:38 PM
They've always pretty much planned to push Punk he just tends to rub people the wrong way...

BigRock
02-01-2008, 11:47 PM
If you type her name into google you can get way better pics than that my man.
Oh, sure. But those are just teaser pics for the video. Which, if the trailer is accurate, features things like Jewel licking Shelly's big ol' pancake nipples.

And I think Shelly's boobs are quite a bit bigger now than when she did her pre-WWE topless stuff.

Mecca
02-01-2008, 11:52 PM
Well she has fake boobs now where as she didn't before...

I enjoy how she was very much denying that the vid she was was porn...it's pretty close I'd say...

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-02-2008, 12:57 AM
Seriously, how stupid are some people?

If you are Lagana, and you're tech savvy, and you are leaking info, wouldn't you know that disinformation is the easiest way to catch a rat?

Secondly, wouldn't you find it a little odd that all of a sudden you all get new laptops and phones after you've been accused of leaking shit? Besides, if he was that savvy, he'd just wipe the HD with a program like WipeDrive, and then reinstall XP Pro (most likely) back onto it.

Mecca
02-02-2008, 02:09 AM
So anyhow, who's everyones favorite indy worker?

Zeke Ziggle
02-02-2008, 03:17 AM
So anyhow, who's everyones favorite indy worker?
Can we consider TNA indy? If not probably Bryan Danielson, Chris Hero and the Briscoes

Jim Jones
02-02-2008, 05:23 AM
Bryan Danielson.

And heck yeah TNA is Indy.

Mecca
02-02-2008, 05:27 AM
I like most of those guys..

I like Human Tornado but that's mostly because of his gimmick.

Mecca
02-02-2008, 11:09 PM
Bobby Lashley hasn't yet agreed to the terms of the release WWE sent him. He had been medically cleared to return, but asked to be let go after talking to Johnny Ace. There's some heat on Ace for all the people who've left under his tenure with bad things to say about him.

Lashley was upset about the size of his Mania payoff which was 250,000 dollars because the match brought in big money and he'd heard stories about other wrestlers getting over a million for Mania ME payoffs. A lot of workers felt he was just lucky to be on that spot on the card to begin with at that point of his career though. It also says he was mad that the company supported Michael Hayes, who had issues with Kristal.

The stories about Kristal being upset about potential "racial overtones" in the Edge storyline was likely blown out of proportions, and whether there would have been racial elements to a Edge-Kristal pairing is unknown.

Also, company souces said Lashley had become a PR problem for the company in the sense that local promoters were claiming he was difficult to work with when asked to do PR stuff and promote shows.

His contract is a long term one, so WWE is in a position of power when it comes to Lashley's immediate future. Since he's the one who asked to be released and he had a long term contract, he'll probably have to sit at home and do nothing athletically for a while once he gets his release, which is why some think he may have to consider returning to the company.

wrestling observer newsletter

It's great how a new guy who worked 15 minutes actually complained about getting 250 grand.

keg in kc
02-02-2008, 11:12 PM
It's great how a new guy who worked 15 minutes actually complained about getting 250 grand.Seriously. And does he really think that he had much to do with the draw of that match?

Mecca
02-02-2008, 11:16 PM
Someone forgot to tell him that he isn't Hogan, or Rock or Austin or Cena and really has no place bitching about money at this point in his career..

Ah well good riddance he was just another overpushed undertalented roid head.

Have you guys seen the new pics of him? He seriously looks 100lbs lighter and he also bitched about the wellness policy..I wonder if that plays into him not coming back.

keg in kc
02-02-2008, 11:18 PM
That's no shock. It was always funny looking at the shots at him wrestling in college next to his pro wrestling shots. It's like Bruce Banner and the Hulk.

Mecca
02-02-2008, 11:21 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/omegarvd/Lashleythin.jpg

http://www.bobbylashleyonline.com/gallery/albums/95/LashleyNik.jpg

Those are some recent pics, he looks well doesn't he?

BigRock
02-02-2008, 11:21 PM
And does he really think that he had much to do with the draw of that match?
I know I was sold on buying the PPV when I heard Donald Trump talk about "my large black friend Lindsey" in several media interviews he did.

Mecca
02-02-2008, 11:23 PM
I know I was sold on buying the PPV when I heard Donald Trump talk about "my large black friend Lindsey" in several media interviews he did.

He was facing a big beastly man named UTERUS.

Reaper16
02-03-2008, 02:00 AM
Wow, Bobby does look quite a bit smaller in those pics.

BigRock
02-04-2008, 06:10 PM
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/heyman/article762131.ece

Paul Heyman's first interview of any real merit since he left WWE. If nothing else, it's interesting the way he talks about Stephanie McMahon, since the sheets have always pitted them against each other. According to Paul, she was the one trying to get him to stay.

Of course, he is a huge liar, so who knows.

jlscorpio
02-04-2008, 08:22 PM
"For example, a finish in most every match. Simple thought. A winner and a loser. And a story with it that makes sense."

This sentence states perfectly everything that was right about the REAL ECW (and World Class and Mid-South in the 80's), and everything that is so wrong in modern day WWE, and too an infinitely greater degree, TNA. What also made ECW great was that it never forgot that it was always essentially an indy promotion, ala always developing new stars, and giving fans great storylines with a real payoff at the end. Heyman was a genious/visionary, and the biz is tremendously worse off without him.

Swanman
02-04-2008, 08:48 PM
So anyhow, who's everyones favorite indy worker?

Bryan Danielson
El Generico
Kevin Steen
Jimmy Jacobs
Davey Richards
Jigsaw
Mike Quackenbush (wish he had more open dates to work ROH)

Mecca
02-04-2008, 08:53 PM
Observer put the kay-bosh on the Punk in the doghouse rumors, saying that in actuality Punk is in a better position now that Lagana was fired as he was his main detractor and was pushing for Morrison to get the title back right away before and was the person who put the title on Chavo. Dusty is a big Punk fan and Hayes has been trying to get him on SD! for awhile. Ed Koskey(sp) is booking ECW now, with Dusty's help, however Hayes has a TON of political power right now and is likely overseeing both ECW and SD!

BigRock
02-10-2008, 08:58 PM
NSFW: http://www.sinsationpictures.com/movieinfo.php?id=697

Atta girl, Shelly. :thumb:
The movie is probably at your favorite torrent site by now, assuming your favorite torrent site has porn on it. Pretty lame, really, but Shelly gets spanked and licked and whatnot. So it has that going for it.

Ultra Peanut
02-10-2008, 10:54 PM
So apparently, TNA once again failed to provide a clean finish for their PPV main event.

I've gone from actually hoping for improvement to not even considering the idea of looking for a stream. What a worthless ****ing company.

unothadeal
02-17-2008, 09:22 PM
Well, Big Show's back

Marty Mac Ver 2.0
02-17-2008, 11:05 PM
Big Show got bloodied pretty bad by Pretty Boy Floyd. It was a work, supposedly, but damn it was real. The Orton-Cena match was bullsheet. They are booking the HHH-Orton-Cena for Mania but they went about it wrong with Orton and Cena.

Ultra Peanut
02-18-2008, 02:02 AM
No Way Out sounded like it was pretty nice. I can't wait to see the Mayweather-Show footage and fallout, because it seems awesome and it's going to be such a great angle for everyone involved.

Also, with Smackdown! leaving the CW this fall, TVweek is reporting that the two leading candidates to pick it up are MyNetwork TV (which you would have to think would be a last resort for the E) and WGN.

For some bizarre reason, I've always wanted WGN to have wrestling programming of some sort.

BigRock
02-18-2008, 03:41 AM
Big Show got bloodied pretty bad by Pretty Boy Floyd. It was a work, supposedly, but damn it was real. The Orton-Cena match was bullsheet. They are booking the HHH-Orton-Cena for Mania but they went about it wrong with Orton and Cena.
If they're doing a 3-way, they may as well just throw in Hardy. And then he'll end up winning, ala Rey a few years ago, when he wasn't originally planned to be involved.

I figured Mayweather would do some boxing thing with Big Show, since Show was training for boxing during his time off. But the new prowrestling.net site (offshoot of the Torch) says Mayweather is actually going to wrestle. Probably a tag match with Rey against Big Show and maybe Shane McMahon, assuming Rey can go.

Valiant
02-18-2008, 11:27 AM
Umm yeah.. This thread needs to be moved to the media section where it belongs.. Unless you want to bring out the Lost and Heroes threads from there..

Ultra Peanut
02-18-2008, 08:53 PM
GET THE **** OUT OF MY HOUSE

unothadeal
02-18-2008, 09:21 PM
lol-Floyd-lol

unothadeal
02-18-2008, 09:46 PM
Midget tossing is back!

Reaper16
02-18-2008, 10:12 PM
Umm yeah.. This thread needs to be moved to the media section where it belongs.. Unless you want to bring out the Lost and Heroes threads from there..
Wrestling is sports-entertainment. OK, that wasn't a very good excuse. And I agree that the popular Heroes and Lost threads shouldn't have been moved. Which means I think this thread shouldn't be moved either.

Mecca
02-18-2008, 10:22 PM
Lindsay Lohan is/was backstage at Raw, there's some kind of humor in that.

Ultra Peanut
02-18-2008, 10:37 PM
Finlay made the destruction of Hornswoggle disturbing, rather than ridiculous. Amazing.

Also, these new themes ****ing suck.

Bowser
02-18-2008, 10:47 PM
Lindsay Lohan is/was backstage at Raw, there's some kind of humor in that.

Great. What's the over/under on how long until she's in the ring against Stephanie?

Ultra Peanut
02-18-2008, 10:55 PM
OH GOD TRIPLE H IS SO AWESOME HE TRULY IS THE GAAYUMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Ugh.

Hardy was red ****ing hot, but no, Triple H just has to be main eventing WrestleMania.

unothadeal
02-18-2008, 10:57 PM
Triple H really showed Cena with that Pedigree....Even though he gave him his shot at WM......But he really showed Cena!

Mecca
02-18-2008, 11:01 PM
OH GOD TRIPLE H IS SO AWESOME HE TRULY IS THE GAAYUMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Ugh.

Hardy was red ****ing hot, but no, Triple H just has to be main eventing WrestleMania.

No matter what the WWE is never going to thrust someone like Hardy into the mainevent spot at Mania. He'll probably get the MITB win however.

unothadeal
02-18-2008, 11:06 PM
No matter what the WWE is never going to thrust someone like Hardy into the mainevent spot at Mania. He'll probably get the MITB win however.

Speaking of which, what's the point of these "qualifying" matches. Let's see, Mr. Kennedy vs. Val Venis. Hmmmmmmm. Tough call.

Mecca
02-18-2008, 11:12 PM
Speaking of which, what's the point of these "qualifying" matches. Let's see, Mr. Kennedy vs. Val Venis. Hmmmmmmm. Tough call.

To make it "seem" important, because they had to win a match to get in it. Generally it's pretty easy to see which guys will get in it, like Shelton Benjamin likely has a spot in it also.

Bowser
02-18-2008, 11:18 PM
To make it "seem" important, because they had to win a match to get in it. Generally it's pretty easy to see which guys will get in it, like Shelton Benjamin likely has a spot in it also.

I kind of lost track of wrestling when Shelton Benjamin was coming on. IIRC, he and Triple H had the beginnings of a rivalry where SB was getting the best of HHH. Did Benjamin get hurt at some point? The little bit I watched in, he was never shown or mentioned, that I noticed.

Ultra Peanut
02-18-2008, 11:32 PM
Shelton, you say? He's currently in a program with Kane on ECW/Smackdown, and he's getting a bit of a push. He's a bit of a botcher, but he can be so, so good.

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Mecca
02-18-2008, 11:42 PM
I kind of lost track of wrestling when Shelton Benjamin was coming on. IIRC, he and Triple H had the beginnings of a rivalry where SB was getting the best of HHH. Did Benjamin get hurt at some point? The little bit I watched in, he was never shown or mentioned, that I noticed.

If you cant memorize and cut pages worth of promo the WWE doesn't like to push you at the top of the card. He's gotten in the doghouse for that and they think he's lazy and doesn't work that hard.

Bowser
02-18-2008, 11:55 PM
Heh. Nice match. "He's quick as a hiccup", plus a Ricky Steamboat reference!

Hopefully they don't screw him around, and move him on up. He's exciting enough a wrestler to pull off being a headliner, imo.

Bowser
02-18-2008, 11:56 PM
If you cant memorize and cut pages worth of promo the WWE doesn't like to push you at the top of the card. He's gotten in the doghouse for that and they think he's lazy and doesn't work that hard.

Too bad ability in the ring doesn't weigh more heavily into that thought process, eh? But I guess I understand that sentiment, from their point of view.

Ultra Peanut
02-19-2008, 12:05 AM
Shelton really was godawful on the mic until he moved over to ECW. Now, he's not great or really even good, but he's a LOT better.

Then again, Morrison was horrendous as Johnny Nitro. Now he's the Goddamn Lizard King; the Shaman of Sexy; the Portal to the Infinite. So there's hope for young Shelty yet.

'Hamas' Jenkins
02-20-2008, 09:51 PM
I really, really f*cking hate Triple Haitch.

keg in kc
02-24-2008, 11:08 PM
Colin Delaney officially signed!

KC Tattoo
02-26-2008, 11:38 AM
Just heard on ESPN that Floyd Mayweather broke Big Shows nose.


& they are suppose to fight at Wrestle Mania

:thumb:

Ultra Peanut
02-29-2008, 05:42 PM
So where do you guys go for the latest and greatest in TOTAL NONSTOP ACTION news and results?

Me, I always choose WWE.com (http://www.wwe.com/inside/industrynews/6548604)!

BigRock
02-29-2008, 07:41 PM
Sucky scans of Maria's naked pics: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=180982

Ultra Peanut
03-10-2008, 09:00 PM
CHRIS JERICHO IS ONCE AGAIN THE KING OF THE MIDCARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Simply Red
03-10-2008, 09:05 PM
I love me some Mexican Rasslin! Caught some this w.e. on deportes.

Simply Red
03-10-2008, 09:06 PM
Correction, It was actually on the Espanol channel.

Ultra Peanut
03-14-2008, 09:37 AM
Tuesday's ECW was OUTSTANDING. Seriously, if you skipped it you should watch it on WWE's site.

- Hot crowd throughout (Chicago, natch).
- Great Miz-n-Morrison vs. Colin/Dreamer street fight that actually had me rooting against the Shaman of Sexy.
- Kofi vs. Deuce (BO! BO! BO!)
- Elijah Burke!!! vs. Festus, thankfully not a squash and some really nice stuff from Elijah.
- Punker vs. Big Daddy Five in a MITB Qualifier.

I'm ashamed of myself for waiting three days to watch it. It was, however, a much-needed tonic after exposing myself to the continuous retardation of TNA. The crowd made me look forward to Smackdown for the first time in months, too.

eazyb81
03-14-2008, 08:55 PM
When the hell did Vickie Guerrero become GM of Smackdown? Damn it's been awhile since I've watched. It's sad that she can't let this go.

I wonder if Flair's forehead busts open when his wife kisses him on it? The dude juices like none other.

Mecca
03-14-2008, 09:09 PM
Let what go? She's basically employed by them as a favor to her by Vince so she can continue to bring in a good amount of money since Eddie died.

Also everyone should be watching the dirt sheet segments Miz and Morrison do online they are great.

Deberg_1990
03-14-2008, 09:15 PM
If you cant memorize and cut pages worth of promo the WWE doesn't like to push you at the top of the card.

Its almost more important these days to be a better actor than wrestler in the wresting biz.

Mecca
03-14-2008, 09:18 PM
Its almost more important these days to be a better actor than wrestler in the wresting biz.

It helps, you can be the best worker on that roster if you have no charisma or ability to speak you won't be on top.

eazyb81
03-14-2008, 09:31 PM
Let what go? She's basically employed by them as a favor to her by Vince so she can continue to bring in a good amount of money since Eddie died.

Also everyone should be watching the dirt sheet segments Miz and Morrison do online they are great.

Dude, her husband is dead because of what he did for this industry. I think she would want to stay away, rather than continue to stay involved and make jokes.

Mecca
03-14-2008, 09:43 PM
Well you go one way or the other, I doubt she complains about the money she makes for it.

Ultra Peanut
03-15-2008, 03:32 AM
Also: JEFF HARDY IS ****ING RETARDED

I'm surprised that I'm surprised.

jlscorpio
03-15-2008, 10:18 AM
Vince did the right thing by hiring Vicki. Vicki is supporting her family in the business that Eddie lived and died for. Its a shame Benoit didn't just kill himself first, so Nancy could have gotten the same treatment as Vicki.

Reaper16
03-15-2008, 10:22 AM
I'm surprised that I'm surprised.
That was my reaction as well. I guess I thought that maybe he'd smarten up now that he's gotten the brass to notice his immense popularity and place him in the main event picture. :doh!:

Ultra Peanut
03-15-2008, 10:26 AM
Vince did the right thing by hiring Vicki. Vicki is supporting her family in the business that Eddie lived and died for. Its a shame Benoit didn't just kill himself first, so Nancy could have gotten the same treatment as Vicki.She was awesome. :(

Jesus Christ that still hurts so much.

keg in kc
03-15-2008, 01:04 PM
That was my reaction as well. I guess I thought that maybe he'd smarten up now that he's gotten the brass to notice his immense popularity and place him in the main event picture. :doh!:He's screwed himself as much as anybody possibly could, twice in the last year. Both times when he was probably on the way to a title. I don't see any way they'll ever give him a push again, because one more fail (which everybody knows is just a matter of time) and he's gone.

Even Kennedy didn't f*ck up quite that bad.

I thought ECW was pretty bad this week, after a great opening match. Putting Punk against Big Fatty V had to be about the stupidest MitB qualifyer I've ever seen, and, of course, they couldn't let him find a way to win clean, or at least in a way that built him as strong (which isn't a surprise, the way they've been putting Chavo over him).

And no way he wins MitB. If you noticed last night, on the promo shot that had a belt-toting Jericho in the front, the two guys in the back were...MVP (who's inevitably going to lose his belt to Blahtista) and Punk. You could barely even see them behind such greats as Carlito, the afformentioned Kenney, Morrison and Shelton Benjamin. Hell, if you look at that lineup, I don't see how it's going to be a good match this year, anyway. Jericho's the only legit "star". Shelton usually comes through, but there's no edge, no hardy, just a bunch of mid-card guys. And since the winnner gets an "anytime, anywhere, any title" shot, I don't see how they give it to any ECW guys, which means Punk, Morrison and Benjamin are out, unless they've moving one of them to a main show. Carlito? They're not putting a belt on him. That leaves Jericho and (ugh) Kennedy, who won last year as you'll recall, knocking Punk off the ladder. Oh, and MVP.

Anyway, as much as I didn't like the last 45 minutes of ECW, Smackdown last night was all but unwatchable.

Der Flöprer
03-15-2008, 05:00 PM
I haven't watched much lately. I admit it. I do flip it on every now again and usually stay captivated for no more than 5 minutes. My question is this, why? I have some ideas. Rock, Stone Cold, Angle, and others are gone. Although, there are other guys that could take their place IMO.

I think that they killed wrestling with the brand extensions. They just don't have enough main event quality guys to fill shows. They need to let their top tiered stars run the main events on each show. What do you think? Why is wrestling less watched now? Is it the stars? Is it the brand extensions I mentioned? Could it be stale story lines? What's your opinion?

Ultra Peanut
03-15-2008, 05:14 PM
I thought ECW was pretty bad this week, after a great opening match. Putting Punk against Big Fatty V had to be about the stupidest MitB qualifyer I've ever seen, and, of course, they couldn't let him find a way to win clean, or at least in a way that built him as strong (which isn't a surprise, the way they've been putting Chavo over him).

And no way he wins MitB. If you noticed last night, on the promo shot that had a belt-toting Jericho in the front, the two guys in the back were...MVP (who's inevitably going to lose his belt to Blahtista) and Punk. You could barely even see them behind such greats as Carlito, the afformentioned Kenney, Morrison and Shelton Benjamin. Hell, if you look at that lineup, I don't see how it's going to be a good match this year, anyway. Jericho's the only legit "star". Shelton usually comes through, but there's no edge, no hardy, just a bunch of mid-card guys. And since the winnner gets an "anytime, anywhere, any title" shot, I don't see how they give it to any ECW guys, which means Punk, Morrison and Benjamin are out, unless they've moving one of them to a main show. Carlito? They're not putting a belt on him. That leaves Jericho and (ugh) Kennedy, who won last year as you'll recall, knocking Punk off the ladder. Oh, and MVP.

Anyway, as much as I didn't like the last 45 minutes of ECW, Smackdown last night was all but unwatchable.God damn, imaginary slights ahoy.

Punk's the scrappy face who's been getting screwed by Chavo and is trying to get his title back. Until they have a definitive plan and an opponent for when he gets it back (Morrison's probably headed to Smackdown, and I guess they're not certain of Shelton yet), there's not much they can do beyond keeping him chasing. So he's going to get knocked around a bit. That's essentially the role. Just because Cena loses the week before the PPV doesn't mean he's not going to be coming out on top, you know?

And MITB looks awesome. Jericho, Punk, MVP, Morrison, and Benjamin? Sign me the **** up, regardless of who's going to win and where they're going with it.

keg in kc
03-15-2008, 06:56 PM
Punk's the scrappy face who's been getting screwed by Chavo and is trying to get his title back.No, he's not. I don't know what they're doing, but reality is that he's lost clean twice to Chavo, first at the PPV and then two weeks ago. This goes back a month. No interference, no cheating. Clean pins. They set it up great with all the antics and then have him do the job. To f'n chavo, of all people.

This is Punk in 2008, sad to say. My guess is that they don't know what they're doing with him, either. It's really bizarre. They treat him like he's a star, put his face/shirts on the merch ads, had him highlighted as one of the stars on the promo for last week's 3 hour raw, and then they don't follow through.

I don't know about Morrison going to SD. I know Umaga is, for a longer program with Batista, but I haven't heard anything about morrison. Actually, the most logical move would be Punk. They'd started to set it up for a feud with Edge weeks ago. I know you like him, but at this point, Morrison's a lower midcarder. The fact that he and the Miz have the tag titles shows just how meaningless the WWE thinks the tag division is (who has the other pair, Cody Rhodes and Bob Holly? Or did they lose them?). Anyway, right now, Morrison's just another guy on the C show. Although that trashcan moonsault was great.

(I thought they should've put Delaney and Dreamer over them on Tuesday, I think that crowd would have made it meaningful).

Ultra Peanut
03-16-2008, 01:04 AM
Yeah, the crowd would have exploded if Dreamer and Delaney had won Tuesday night.

And don't even mention a Punk-Edge feud, because it's too awesome to even imagine.

Ultra Peanut
03-17-2008, 08:36 PM
Did they just ****ing break up the Hooliganz?

Their best tag team?

Which hasn't even been on TV as a team in months?

Reaper16
03-18-2008, 02:01 AM
RIP, Londrick.
RIP, tag-team division.

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 03:41 PM
HA HA! YOU LOSE! I stole your delicious Subway sandwich, Jerry Stupid Lawler!

Also, what do you think Paul Heyman would say if you went back to 1997 and told him that, just over ten years from now, Vince McMahon would be caning Ric Flair in a WWF ring before Flair did a table spot from the top rope?

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-18-2008, 04:27 PM
HA HA! YOU LOSE! I stole your delicious Subway sandwich, Jerry Stupid Lawler!

Also, what do you think Paul Heyman would say if you went back to 1997 and told him that, just over ten years from now, Vince McMahon would be caning Ric Flair in a WWF ring before Flair did a table spot from the top rope?

Not as shocked as if you would have told him Triple H would be two weeks away from his 12th World Title

:shake:

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 04:35 PM
Not as shocked as if you would have told him Triple H would be two weeks away from his 12th World Title

:shake:
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His pants were pretty rad, though.

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 05:52 PM
Hahahahaha, this is wonderful in so many ways:

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I guess WCW did manage to find people who could pull of the Razor's Edge and Jackknife after all, though.

keg in kc
03-18-2008, 06:14 PM
I guess WCW did manage to find people who could pull of the Razor's Edge and Jackknife after all, though.Oh shit, I remember that.

God, the 90's were great.

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 07:07 PM
The '90s WERE great.

Ringmaster vs Matt Hardy (http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/xccqz_staledogg_wwf-1996/video/x4k1g1_the-ringmaster-vs-matt-hardy_sport)

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-18-2008, 07:13 PM
UP:

300 Casino bucks says you can't find a Terra Ryzin clip.

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 07:31 PM
While I search, enjoy this: Jean Paul Levesque speaks with Gordon Solie on his WCW aspirations (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3kqvw_jean-paul-levesque-interview_sport) (Get a load of the champions they mention.)

Plus Damon Striker (sans God Pyro) vs. THE REAL KILLER on {Pro} (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x30dXi7kGG8
) (it's no Muddaship, but it'll do)

And this Billionaire Ted spot, which includes Vince Russo talking about disloyal, greedy has-beens (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4k1xr_smoking-gunns-vs-the-spiders-billio_sport). Lesson learned, I guess.

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 07:39 PM
Terra Ryzing ON THA MUDDASHIP (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/wcw%2B1994/video/x1t87n_larry-zbyszko)

One Night in Larry Land.

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-18-2008, 07:58 PM
Terra Ryzing ON THA MUDDASHIP (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/wcw%2B1994/video/x1t87n_larry-zbyszko)

One Night in Larry Land.

I am humbled.

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 08:03 PM
I am humbled.So is Trips.

keg in kc
03-18-2008, 08:06 PM
So is Trips.He probably thought he'd destroyed all those tapes.

keg in kc
03-18-2008, 08:08 PM
On a tonight note, why the f*ck do f*cking idiotic Jesse and Festus keep showing up on ECW, and why the f*ck is Punk teaming with them.

I mean, Shelton Benjamin gets the tag team champs, and Punk gets retards.

WTF.

And why the f*ck isn't it Delaney and Dreamer with Punk? I guess they need to sell JBL's beatdown (itself pointless, although that's Delaney's job).

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-18-2008, 08:08 PM
I went to transfer cash and got a database error. I'll pay up shortly, or offer my left arm for you to break.

Bowser
03-18-2008, 08:08 PM
Come on. There's no shame being pinned by Larry Zybysko. After all, he learned from Bruno Sammartino.


LMAO

'Hamas' Jenkins
03-18-2008, 08:13 PM
Shit, it sent 6 hundy? Can I have three back? (All part of my Casino Cash money laundering scheme).

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 08:35 PM
On a tonight note, why the f*ck do f*cking idiotic Jesse and Festus keep showing up on ECW, and why the f*ck is Punk teaming with them.

I mean, Shelton Benjamin gets the tag team champs, and Punk gets retards.

WTF.

And why the f*ck isn't it Delaney and Dreamer with Punk? I guess they need to sell JBL's beatdown (itself pointless, although that's Delaney's job).Eh, Jesse's a pretty solid worker and Festus is super over, so I don't have a--BISCUITS AND GRAVYYYYYYY

Shit, it sent 6 hundy? Can I have three back? (All part of my Casino Cash money laundering scheme).Hello you have reach Yan Cooking Can! I take orders?

keg in kc
03-18-2008, 09:04 PM
Eh, Jesse's a pretty solid worker and Festus is super over, so I don't have a--BISCUITS AND GRAVYYYYYYYI really hate rednecks...

I know, that sounds funny on a rasslin thread, but what can I say.

Ultra Peanut
03-18-2008, 09:06 PM
Just pretend Jesse is Owen Hart. It's not too hard, and it makes you like him a lot more.

Ultra Peanut
03-25-2008, 10:12 PM
Wow. ECW was really, really, really borizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

alanm
03-25-2008, 10:31 PM
Eh, Jesse's a pretty solid worker and Festus is super over, so I don't have a--BISCUITS AND GRAVYYYYYYY

Hello you have reach Yan Cooking Can! I take orders?
I confess I've watched rassling for years. So I feel stupid asking you this question. But what does it mean for a wrestler being over? :hmmm:

Ultra Peanut
03-25-2008, 10:40 PM
I confess I've watched rassling for years. So I feel stupid asking you this question. But what does it mean for a wrestler being over? :hmmm:Put simply, being over means that the crowd gives a good reaction to you. If you're over as a face, the crowd pops (cheers loudly) when your music hits, and so on. If you're over as a heel, the crowd rains down the boos when you show up, and so forth.

alanm
03-25-2008, 10:43 PM
Put simply, being over means that the crowd gives a good reaction to you. If you're over as a face, the crowd pops (cheers loudly) when your music hits, and so on. If you're over as a heel, the crowd rains down the boos when you show up, and so forth.
So basically it's whom ever they save the good story lines for.

Ultra Peanut
03-25-2008, 10:48 PM
So basically it's whom ever they save the good story lines for.Well, not always. Take Chris Jericho, for instance. He was basically left to his own devices in WCW, and due to his cleverness, charisma, and innate ability to draw incredible heat, he got super-over even as management paid little to no attention to him. The Motor City Machine Guns in TNA are a similar case of midcarders who managed to win the crowd over on their own, without needing much support from the bookers.

On the flip side is someone like X-Pac, after whom "X-Pac heat" was named. People just did not give a shit about him no matter what he was doing. Lots of guys who get nice opportunities still fail to get over due to their own shortcomings or just bad luck.

alanm
03-25-2008, 11:02 PM
Well, not always. Take Chris Jericho, for instance. He was basically left to his own devices in WCW, and due to his cleverness, charisma, and innate ability to draw incredible heat, he got super-over even as management paid little to no attention to him. The Motor City Machine Guns in TNA are a similar case of midcarders who managed to win the crowd over on their own, without needing much support from the bookers.

On the flip side is someone like X-Pac, after whom "X-Pac heat" was named. People just did not give a shit about him no matter what he was doing. Lots of guys who get nice opportunities still fail to get over due to their own shortcomings or just bad luck.
What ever happened to him? Didn't he start out as the 1 2 3 Kid?