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Iowanian
06-07-2001, 08:37 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,26604,00.html

First, I'm not saying that it was a good thing that the dog died, or that this guy is an angel.

The guy could get three years in jail for throwing a dog 5'....If I really threw a small dog that bit me, I think It would go 105'......sounds like he tossed it, and it ran into traffic.

The lady got on Oprah for this? and the public raised $120,000 to find the guy????good lord. maybe he should use the "abortion defense"...the dog bit him, and was an "inconvenience" and small lap dogs can't support themselves. :rolleyes:

~can think of alot more important things to use $120,000 than a friggin dead dog....

bkkcoh
06-07-2001, 08:50 AM
What about the time in California in which a woman jogger was killed by a mountain lion and the public raised more money to help with the care of the lion cubs than they did for the care of the kids.

That is really screwed up.....:confused: :eek:

Iowanian
06-07-2001, 08:55 AM
my solution to that would have been some mountain lion skin mittens for her kids :)


I just don't understand that the same people who sit still while missing and killed children are reported give more money to find a guy that chased a friggin anke biter into traffic.

bkkcoh
06-07-2001, 08:58 AM
Easy, the value of a human life has been decreased to point that a lot of people think an animal's life is worth more.

I am sure you can agree, I have met some animals that I would take in a heartbeat over some humans.;)

Iowanian
06-07-2001, 09:03 AM
the same girls/boys that coax each other into "spin the bottle" and truth or dare are sqealing about teasing? rumors?...

when are we going to let kids be kids....boys/girls are awkard in elementary/jr high....who doesn't remember the "if she kicks/hits you, it really means she likes you" speech.....it takes practice to learn how to interact.....

~had my pants dropped a couple times in JR High by girls....wondering if I should get Johnny Cochran to releive my suffering?

seclark
06-07-2001, 09:03 AM
the pooch should have been wearing a safety belt if it's going to ride in a moving vehicle. i think they're a distraction.

i was driving in morning traffic in downtown st.louis a couple weeks ago, and some gal passes me and she's got some kind of freaking little monkey jumping all around in her car...what's that all about?
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Iowanian
06-07-2001, 09:05 AM
she probably carried some banana spread and it was her "personal relaxation therapy" tool.

my buddy has some cohabitating ladies accross the street...with dogs named "peanutbutter" and "jelly"....wonder why?

Mark M
06-07-2001, 09:14 AM
Okay ... I'm an animal lover (no, not in that way you sick pervs) and would never do anything to hurt an animal. I don't even hit my own animals.

But this is just f*cking ludicrous. How did the dog get out of the car? Why didn't the owner have it secured? How is it this guys fault?

I understand laws agains animal cruelty ... there are some sick f*cks out there. But in this case it has gone entirely too far.

MM
~~Tired of people blaming others for their problems.

bkkcoh
06-07-2001, 09:17 AM
It is a shame that he would get more jail time for doing that to a dog than he would if he would have hit a child or another adult.

Twisted priorites.

:confused:

Clint in Wichita
06-07-2001, 09:33 AM
That damn mutt probably deserved it.

Cook the little bastard up and send him to starving children in Bangladesh!!

keg in kc
06-07-2001, 10:13 AM
Sorry, but I say fry the guy. My @ss he "dropped" the dog and it happened to get hit, much to his surprise. He threw the d@mn thing into traffic. And judging by that article, it looks like there's plenty of other reasons to keep the guy behind bars too. You know, he's a crook after all...

We had another thread on this the other day, and I'm serious when I say my dogs are part of my family. If that guy had done that to one of my girls (not really possible, they're big dogs...) I'd have thrown his sorry @ss into traffic after her. That's just the way it is. You don't mess with my family, which includes my fiance and my dogs.

I'm not a PETA freak. I don't chain myself to trees to protect owls. I don't watch Oprah either. But there is a serious relationship between a person and his/her dog that you can't discount. And those people who sent $120K did it on their own accord. It's their money and they can do what they want with it. I wouldn't give her a cent (and you see how much I love dogs...) but, hey, if they thought she was a worthy "charity" who are we to criticize? It's not like it was government funds from taxes or something...

bkkcoh
06-07-2001, 10:16 AM
Citizens and well-wishers collected $120,000 in reward funds for information leading to an arrest of Leo's killer.

Is the remains of the funds that were collected, tax-free? ;)

Iowanian
06-07-2001, 10:20 AM
...the anal probe episode where the "visitors" were slaughtering cows....

"this is a people train, not a cow train...this train is only for people...no cows...you have to take a cow train, not a people train."

Ok Kyle,
Dogs jumping around in a car are more destracting than cell phones and cause accidents...note that the woman rearended him not once, but twice.

DOGS AREN'T PEOPLE. Witnesses' testified that he tossed the dog 5'....not 2 human steps....Last time I was bitten by a cat, I'm guessing it was stopped at 30' by the wall on the other side of the room.....I seriously doubt if the dude pile drived the poor innocent puppy into the grill of an oncoming car....witnesses said the dog RAN INTO Traffic....

I'm not necessarily saying this guy is right....but to say he should fry or go to the "overcrowded prisons" that you don't think druggies should go to is rediculous.

~its just a friggin dog.....save some needy children....and if a dog bites me..it will soon find out if "all dogs go to heaven"

BigMeatballDave
06-07-2001, 10:29 AM
Whatever. Dogs get runover every day. Three years for this is ludicrous! Keg- I respect that you are a dog lover, but if that dog would`ve biten me, I`d have kicked the $h!t out of it!

BIG_DADDY
06-07-2001, 10:38 AM
I am going to go against the grain on this one. I don't believe this guy for 2 seconds. I am in the bay area and this has been big news forever so will fill in some of the blanks.
1. First of all there were witnesses that he threw the dog into traffic.
2. He left the scene abruptly.

3. The media did a ridiculouse job of over covering this story. It was the top story for like two or three weeks. Everyone in the bay area was looking for this guy. If that was you and you had been bitten wouldn't you make sure you covered your arse.

4. This guy has a huge rap sheet for losing it.

5. If he did that to BIG DADDY'S dog he wouldn't have to worry about the 3 years.

BIG DADDY

Does agree that there are way too many animal rights wackos though. The spotted owl ended up crushing the economy of Southern Oregon where BIG DADDY's Ps are.

Iowanian
06-07-2001, 10:44 AM
I'm not for a second saying this guy isn't a tub of juicy poop.....or that he is innocent.

I just see so many more things of significance that should require more attention, but are swept under due to crap like this....ex. Little girl gets head cut off and found in woods in KC....big news for a week and now nothing...

starving people, disease, missing children, etc......murderers, rapists, theifs etc....and these people are making a big deal over a friggin ankle biter.

If the guy threw my dog into traffic or my mom's i guess....I'd have dealt with it instead of calling down the Peta whackos.....I think 3 years in prison for killing anything non human is rediculous...

I hate to see anyone starve animals etc....and have given hay to starving horses and cows myself because the owner didn't...i think they should be taken away....but not 3 years in prison....save that spot for some child molester to recover after his public castration.

BigMeatballDave
06-07-2001, 10:50 AM
The next thing you know, the ASPCA or PETA will be trying to prosecute exterminators!

keg in kc
06-07-2001, 10:57 AM
Iowanian, that much I agree with. I think there are more important stories.

However, like Big Daddy said, I don't believe the dog bit him, there were witnesses that he threw it into traffic and the guy has a bad rap sheet, which is why he gets the three years. If he didn't have a history, it would be different...

The woman did rear-end him. He should have dealt with it like someone other than a violent bastard who decided to throw her dog into traffic. Maybe, I don't know, wait for the police and let them handle it. She needs to answer for what she did, as well, but that doesn't excuse, IMHO, his actions...

Maybe I came off a little overzealous in my last post. Okay, definitely I came off a lot overzealous, but there is method to my madness.

Calling out the PETA wackos on Oprah I'd never have done, though...

Mark M
06-07-2001, 11:03 AM
Okay ... I could've been wrong. I didn't have time to read the article word for word due to big brother ... just got the tidbits (my fault. I apologize for my hasste).

I was under the impression that the dog was half out of the car and the guy just reacted to getting bit by throwing the dog away from him, not into traffic. If he did toss the pup into oncoming cars then he should be punished in some way. BUT the owner should also be held responsible for not controlling her dog. But 3 years in prison for the guy???? That's a bit steep, IMO.

And I'll tell you why: Rapists, robbers and thugs regularly get off without any jail time. If this guy goes to the slammer for this while the guy who raped someone is put on probation it is a very sad day in America.

And another thing about this bothers me: They can raise $120,000 for a dog, but what about the little girl here in KC that was decapitated? Where is the huge reward to find her killer?

I, too, consider my dogs part of my family. Hell, I even call them my "kids." If they were to bite someone I'd be more upset at the person than the dog, because most (but not all) dogs bite for one reason: fear. I'd also be upset at myself because, as an owner, it is my responsibility to control my dog.

In this case, both parties are at fault IMO.

MM
~~Knows that there are few bad dogs but many bad owners.

DanT
06-07-2001, 11:31 AM
Each of us is responsible for the reasonably forseeable consequences of our actions. There was absolutely no reason for the young hothead to even have his limbs anywhere within biting range of a dog that tiny nor for him to be behaving like a hysterical little biotch. If he really did get bit, then that only underscores what kind of overreacting loser he is. He then takes the pooch out of the car--which means he REACHED INTO the car to grab the very same dog that supposedly had wounded his punkass--and throws it out into traffic, something that every and any normal person knows is a very dangerous place for a dog to be, especially in airport traffic that apparently was so distracted that even big biotches in SUV were vulnerable, let alone tiny biotches shorter than every tire on that road.

He sounds guilty to me if that's the best his defense attorney can come up with for an opening statement. 3 years sounds like a short amount of time for him to be locked up, too, for his behavior--which, even without killing the dog, was worth at least a month or two in the lockup, as young men do not need to act like that around any woman who accidentally dings their trucks. A lot of dogs are sold for more than $300 each--and that is when they are puppies and before the buyers have established a bond with them--you can't destroy other people's expensive property like that and think you're not going to do some time.

stevieray
06-07-2001, 04:42 PM
At least in the US...Pet Cemetarys? If you have a falling out with a roomie, whatever, the cops enforce that 1, you get your clothes, and 2, your pet. Pets are "children" for many people. I would bet money that dog was in her LAP. I think that should be against the law. Period.

Sounds to me like a classic case of road rage that went over the line.

Rick Stephens
06-07-2001, 05:55 PM
I posted an article on this the other day. This story has been in the news in California since it happened. This guy should have not reached into her vehicle and grabbed the dog. This guy can't be believed in his statements. I believe the witnesses that I have seen on the news who say he threw the dog into oncoming traffic. He fled the scene immediately afterward. I do not believe that the dog bit him.

I believe that he should get the full three years for actions. People who commit this type of crime start with a defenseless animal and progress to children. The next time it could be someone's child he throws into oncoming traffic.