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BIG_DADDY
06-08-2001, 10:27 AM
http://news.iwon.com/home/news/news_article/0,11746,133804|top|06-08-2001::09:10|reuters,00.html

God bless the victims of this senceless slaughter. That being said I think the problem is these EVIL knives and bats. I think that the government should be the only ones allowed to have these instruments of destruction. At the very least we should have to register them and do background checks on those that have them. Ex-felons should not be allowed to have them either. No telling what one of those wackos might do with a Louisville Slugger.

BIG DADDY

What do you propose to do Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi you finger pointing self riteous fool. Register every rock & stick you freaking a-hole.

BIG_DADDY
06-08-2001, 10:33 AM
This guy is such a punk. He has always stated that we are a barbaric society. Their system being as rigid as it is was a much superior model. I can't even begin to tell you how much I would rather live in this country. Even with these Liberal-socialist pieces of sh!t throwing away all of our freedoms so they can have that warm fuzzy feeling.

BIG DADDY

God bless America

bkkcoh
06-08-2001, 10:36 AM
Big Daddy,

Why don't you really tell us how you feel about the subject???:D

old_geezer
06-08-2001, 12:33 PM
Big Daddy

Incredible! I just posted an almost identical topic at The Pen at Pigskin Park. If I had read this first I wouldn't have had the nerve to post my article, cause it looks like plagerism. I wasn't copying, please believe me; but we certainly feel the same way. :D

Rick Stephens
06-08-2001, 12:36 PM
Diane Fineswine's solution would include the follwing:

1.All baseball bats sold to the public will be made of balsa wood.
2.All wooden bats must be turned in at the local police department who will give you one dollar in the buy back program. Possession of a wooden bat would make you a felon in possession of an "assault weapon."
3.You would have one year to get rid of an aluminum bat or become a felon in possession of an "assault weapon."
4.All knives sold to the public would be made of plastic if the blade is over 2 inches in length.
5.No knives sold to the pubic would have a blade made of metal if it were over 2 inches.

"These are no brainer laws to protect the public." Where have I heard that before?

We won't have Little League Baseball anymore instead we will have Little League Whiffleball.

After all we can't have children with "assault weapons" in their hands, can we?

bkkcoh
06-08-2001, 12:38 PM
Rick,

Maybe Di-Fi would trade baseball tickets for baseball bats!!!! :D :D :D

gh4chiefs
06-08-2001, 12:45 PM
Oh this story must be wrong. I mean, we all KNOW that a murder can't possibly be committed with anything other than a gun. Why there wouldn't be any murders if we just got rid of all the guns. Isn't that right guys?

Wrasse
06-08-2001, 01:03 PM
I feel for the victims in this tragedy...

Thank god he didn't have access to a gun or more might have been killed *smiles* (I had to throw that in since everyone was using this event to justify their stance on gun control...hehe).

I'm not against guns...just dumb people with guns...and, unfortunately, I wouldn't trust 90% of the population of the U.S. with a toothpick.

gh4chiefs
06-08-2001, 01:08 PM
I agree this is indeed a tragedy. I hated using this bad situation to make a point, but actually I was trying to make two points.

First anytime there's a shooting here in the US, before the bodies are even cold, the gun-control advocates are out in full force clamoring for more gun control. I'm sure those same people would have been shocked to read my post. To them, I say "See, how does it feel to have a tragedy used for politcal purposes?"

My second point is bad things happen because of bad people. We can blame all the inanimate objects we want, but it boils down to the people involved, not their weapon of choice.

May God bless the families of these children.

Bob Dole
06-08-2001, 01:17 PM
The attack never would have happened in the U.S., because some student would have whipped out his 9mm and capped his ***.

Wrasse
06-08-2001, 01:20 PM
Gary,

I totally see your point and agree with you completely. I think people *feed* off of events like this. They claim that they are hurting for the victims when, in reality, they are the vultures perched up on a limb nearby waiting to feast on other's misfortune just so they can prove a point. I, personally, do not hate guns. I just hate what they can do when in the wrong hands (and when they are automatic or semi-automatic...hehe). This type of behavior reminds me of when I was in college and ready to join up with any group and fight for some purpose (I was a little rebellious in college). Now I realize I'm still ignorant and want to find answers...you can usually pick out the rebels without a clue because they are the ones screaming for someone's head before they even have all of the facts in...I can see how you would want to turn the tables a bit and show the *others* how it feels :)

Take care!

...and use your guns but just don't point them at me ;)

Lightning Rod
06-08-2001, 01:20 PM
Well as long as the Royals have the Bats it would be safe.

They never beat anyone

Wrasse
06-08-2001, 01:22 PM
LOL@Mr. Dole :)

Good point.

BIG_DADDY
06-08-2001, 01:36 PM
wra_sse,

Trust? Let's see. We must trust people or government. Hmm, BIG DADDY will take people every time. Here is a neat stat for ya. Out of the 30,000 INNOCENT people the left wing extremeists claim are killed by guns every year. 2/3 are suicide. A great deal of the rest are gangbangers killing each other or law enforcement officers killing criminals. This leaves no more than 3,000 who are truely innocent people killed by guns in this country annually. 2.5 million Americans successfully defend themselves with guns every year. Doesn't sound like they needed your trust. Looks like they trusted themselves. But you really don't want want to know the TRUTH do you?

BIG DADDY

Anything for that warm fuzzy feeling of safety. I got news for you, it's an illusion.

BIG_DADDY
06-08-2001, 01:42 PM
Want stats? OK www.gunfacts.org Start there and let me know if you want some more. I am glad to see that you actually WANT to look for the answers. Here is one of my favorites. :)

Death and Injury Statistics/Accidental

Accidental Death / Children / International /

In 1994, there were around 1,300 unintentional deaths related to firearms.
Center for Disease Control web site

In 1995, there were 1,225 accidental deaths related to firearms.
National Safety Council, Accident Facts: 1998 Edition, at 10, 121.

In 1997, 4,051 people drowned.
Center for Disease Control web site

In 1997, 16,189 alcohol-related traffic fatalities.
Center for Disease Control web site

In 1996 5,412 pedestrians died.
Center for Disease Control web site

In 1995, 13,986 people died from falls.
National Safety Council, Accident Facts: 1998 Edition, at 10, 121.

In 1995, 8,461 people died from poisoning.
National Safety Council, Accident Facts: 1998 Edition, at 10, 121.

In 1995, 3,761 people died from fires and burns.
National Safety Council, Accident Facts: 1998 Edition, at 10, 121.

In the United States, you are nearly 3 times more likely to die from 'Doctor Negligence' than from all gun deaths combined, including homicide, suicide and accidental.
Compilation of figures from National Safety Council, Accident Facts: 1998 Edition, at 10, 121, and Harvard Medical Practice Study (1990)

While the number of privately owned firearms has quadrupled since 1930, the annual number of fatal firearm accidents has declined 65%. Firearms are involved in only 1% of accidental fatalities nationwide.
National Safety Council, National Center for Health Statistics, 1996 data.

old_geezer
06-08-2001, 01:44 PM
RCGChief

Reminds me of an old joke. A child went before the judge at the divorce case of his parents. "Do you want to stay with your father?" the judge asked. "No, wailed the child," he beats me." "Well," asked the judge, "do you want to stay with your mother?" "No," wailed the child even louder, "she beats me too."
"Well" asked the frustrated judge, "Who do you want to stay with?"
"I want to stay with the Missouri Tigers; they never beat anybody" responded the child. :p

Clint in Wichita
06-08-2001, 02:03 PM
I'll bet the number of homocides in Japan per capita is miniscule compared to the U.S.

Guns are banned there, yet the govt. isn't oppressing it's people at all, and not even criminals can get their hands on guns. How amazing.

Wrasse
06-08-2001, 02:04 PM
Big_Daddy,

I'm not arguing here...in fact, I'm not sure I disagree with you. I don't trust most people and their common sense/mental stability and people run the government. So this includes everyone. I realize that you are adamantly (or seem to be) against gun control. I'm all for freedom and may be considered more of a libertarian but people still do scare me and I wrestle with this every day. There is no perfect form of government and this is why it has been hard for me to choose whom I should align with. I want my freedom to act out any consenual crime I wish to act out. I also would like the right to bear arms if necessary. I don't completely trust the people running our government but I believe in some of the laws that have been set out by these people (and I'm hoping I had something to do with it by my vote :) ). I'm aware of some of the *stats* that go along with deaths by guns...I've seen those before and I don't necessarily feel as if I'm on the *other* side. I still can't help the fact that I DO NOT, in any way, trust many people out there because most have the IQ of a carrot. I'm sorry but this is just how I feel and it is not, in any way, implying that I think we should have more gun control. I'm all for freedom and this is one risk that I feel has to be taken. Unfortunately I can't call myself a Republican because of all of the religious sh!t they throw my way...and the whole throw 'em back and kill them when they are older double-standard :) So I'm just torn but I'm not against you on this issue :)

I'll tell you one thing...you got some fire in you boy! :)

Take care!

Clint in Wichita
06-08-2001, 02:08 PM
If the govt. runs amok and decides to oppress us, your handgun and huntin' rifle will be of no use. Just ask David Koresch.

MrBlond
06-08-2001, 03:18 PM
Clint,

I disagree. Just ask King George.

BIG_DADDY
06-08-2001, 03:18 PM
Wra_sse,

Sorry, I don't mean to come across so intense it's just that this subject really does fire me up. If 3,000 innocent people are killed by guns and the legal citizen population of this country is 288M the percentage of people killed by guns is .00001 or 1 10,000th of a percent. Where is the freaking crisis being perpetuated on our citizenry by the media? 3000 deaths vs2.5M successful DGUs, how come we never see these stats? IMHO there is MAYJOR agenda being pushed here. No agenda gets pushed anywhere near this level unless there is a reason. What I don't understand is why all of these scaredy cats are not scared of that.:confused:

BIG DADDY

Just exposing the illusion of that warm fuzzy fealing.

Clint in Wichita
06-08-2001, 05:55 PM
Mr. Blond,

Back then, you and King George's army would've been equipped with the same weaponry.

Try fending off an M-1 tank with a .38.

Clint in Wichita
06-08-2001, 05:57 PM
Big Daddy,

It's more like 10,000 per year, at least.

The same could be said for food poisoning. Only a few thousand people a year would die without FDA regulations...why all the fuss?

b_cson
06-09-2001, 05:03 AM
2.5 million people succesfully defend themselves with guns a year out of a population of only about 300 million. That's statistically impossible. Where did you get this information from?

Rick Stephens
06-09-2001, 06:07 AM
Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves againt criminals as many as 2.5 million times each year-or about 6,850 times a day.
Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, Armed Resistence to Crime

Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time , a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.
Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, Armed Resistence to Crime

As many as 200,000 of the 2.5 million are by women defending themselves against sexual abuse.
Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, Armed Resistence to Crime

Bob Dole
06-09-2001, 10:06 AM
Bob Dole doesn't have a problem believing that 2.5 million people defend themselves with a firearm. We've had one from our community here do so within the past 2 weeks.

(Bob Dole has done so twice in Bob Dole's 37 years, and neither time was Bob Dole in what one would consider a "high risk" area.)

BIG_DADDY
06-09-2001, 07:29 PM
Clint,

The Liberals actually claim 30,000. The problem is 2/3 are suicide. Much of the rest is either gang bangers shooting each other or cops killing criminals. Leave us with no more than 3,000 that actually are innocent victims.

AustinChief
06-09-2001, 07:49 PM
Some more stats...


Current estimates show that up to 2.45 million criminal acts are thwarted by firearms every year in the U.S., most without a shot being fired ("Should You Own a Gun," U.S. News and World Report, Aug. 15, 1994, p. 27.)

Don B. Kates Jr., at the St. Louis University School of Law, found that while police were successful in shooting or driving off criminals 68 percent of the time, private citizens did so 83 percent of the time.

Private citizens in urban areas encounter and kill up to three times as many criminals as law enforcement personnel ("Gun Control and the Subway Class," Wall Street Journal, Jan. 10, 1985.)

The National Institute of Justice commissioned the most exhaustive study of gun laws ever made. The researchers, Professors James D. Wright and Peter Rossi, started with a bias in favor of "gun control", but were forced to conclude that there is no reliable evidence that any of America's 20,000 gun laws reduced criminal violence. Even outright bans, such as in Washington, D.C., have no discernible impact on criminal acquisition of guns. On the other hand, they found 56% of incarcerated criminals surveyed said they would not attack someone they thought was armed.

...more to follow...

AustinChief
06-09-2001, 07:58 PM
more fun stats....

Handguns are used up to five times more often to protect against criminals than to commit crimes(source:"the frequency of defensive gun use" in Don b. Kates and Gary Kleck, The great American gun debate-1997)

According to the 1988 "Internation Crime Rates," published by the U.S. Department of Justice, England/Wales and Switzerland have exactly the same homicide rate: 1.1 per 100,000. However, every Swiss male is required by law to keep a fully automatic rifle in their home. (seems that having access to an assult rifle doesn't cause any problems...)

And now my favorite cheap shot at gun control...
"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing."
-- Hitler's Secret Conversations - 1941-1944 - Farrar, Straus and Young - 1953 Pg. 345


--Kyle

Rick Stephens
06-10-2001, 07:15 AM
I think you all of you who like guns as much as I do will find humor in the following quote in todays Los Angeles Times article on Tim McVeigh,

"When he was stopped north of Oklahoma City he had a coal black .45 caliber Glock 21 military assault pistol under his jacket."

The Glock 21 is only a Semi-automatic .45 caliber pistol.

I get tired of the Liberals who think that all AK's, AR-15's and all so called "assault rifle's" are machine guns and wouldn't know one from the other.

I would like to know the definition of an assault pistol by their standards.

These Liberal reporters are not very smart. Geeesh!!!!!!!