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jAZ
10-11-2007, 04:15 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071011/ts_nm/religion_scholars_dc

Unprecedented Muslim call for peace with Christians
By Peter Graff
Thu Oct 11, 10:37 AM ET

LONDON (Reuters) - More than 130 Muslim scholars from around the globe called on Thursday for peace and understanding between Islam and Christianity, saying "the very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake."

In an unprecedented letter to Pope Benedict and other Christian leaders, 138 Muslim scholars said finding common ground between the world's biggest faiths was not simply a matter for polite dialogue between religious leaders.

"If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the world cannot be at peace. With the terrible weaponry of the modern world; with Muslims and Christians intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can unilaterally win a conflict between more than half of the world's inhabitants," the scholars wrote.

"Our common future is at stake. The very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake," they wrote, adding that Islam and Christianity already agreed that love of God and neighbor were the two most important commandments of their faiths.

Relations between Muslims and Christians have been strained as al Qaeda has struck around the world and as the United States and other Western countries intervened in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Such a joint letter is unprecedented in Islam, which has no central authority that speaks on behalf of all worshippers.

The list of signatories includes senior figures throughout the Middle East, Asia, Africa, Europe and North America. They represent Sunni, Shi'ite and Sufi schools of Islam.

Among them were the grand muftis of Egypt, Palestine, Oman, Jordan, Syria, Bosnia and Russia and many imams and scholars. War-torn Iraq was represented by both Shi'ites and Sunnis.

Mustafa Cagrici, the mufti who prayed with Benedict in Istanbul's Blue Mosque last year, was also on the list, as was the popular Egyptian television preacher Amr Khaled.

"MAINSTREAM VOICES DROWNED OUT"

The letter was addressed to the Pope, leaders of Orthodox Christian churches, Anglican leader Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams and the heads of the world alliances of the Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist and Reformed churches.

Williams said he welcomed it as "indicative of the kind of relationship for which we yearn in all parts of the world."

"The call to respect, peace and goodwill should now be taken up by Christians and Muslims at all levels and in all countries," he said.

A Vatican official in Rome said the Roman Catholic Church would not comment until it had time to read the letter.

Aref Ali Nayed, one of the signatories and a senior adviser to the Cambridge Interfaith Program at Cambridge University in Britain, said the signatories represented the "99.9 percent of Muslims" who follow mainstream schools and oppose extremism.

"In Islam we have had a problem for some time now where the mainstream voices are drowned out by a minority that choose violence," he said.

Nayed said organizers of the letter had set up an ad hoc network among Muslim leaders that could lead to more cooperation in future.

"These people don't take their signatures lightly," he said. "We are trying to institutionalize this so we don't lose it."

The overture to Christians could be followed by similar letters addressed to Jews or secularists, he added.

Pope Benedict sparked Muslim protests last year with a speech hinting Islam was violent and irrational. It prompted 38 Muslim scholars to write a letter challenging his view of Islam and accepting his call for serious Christian-Muslim dialogue.

Benedict repeatedly expressed regret for the reaction to the speech, but stopped short of a clear apology sought by Muslims.

The new letter argues in theological terms, giving quotes from the Koran and the Bible that show both Christianity and Islam considered love of God as their greatest commandment and love of neighbor as the second greatest.

"The basis for this peace and understanding already exists," it said. "It is part of the very foundational principles of both faiths: love of the one God and love of the neighbor."

SNR
10-11-2007, 04:24 PM
It's a start.

Both sides are required to give something up in order to compromise. I wouldn't call this "giving up" anything on the Muslim side, but at least it will hopefully initiate the start of an agreement.

No clue on how we're going to handle Israel though. Right now there's no way the US is thinking about leaving, sadly.

Jenson71
10-11-2007, 04:35 PM
Pope Benedict sparked Muslim protests last year with a speech hinting Islam was violent and irrational.

Just a reminder that this refers to when, at a university lecture, Pope Benedict XVI was quoting a 14th century emperor that was speaking out against spreading religion through violence. Pope Benedict in no way acknowledged that he agreed with the emperor's comment. To say that he hinted that Islam is violent is false. To say that he hinted Islam is irrational is absurd.

Lecture can be found here:

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg_en.html

trndobrd
10-11-2007, 04:37 PM
Nice to see. A reply in kind would be even better.

I'm getting kind of tired of the "Islam is an inherently violent religion" and "A Muslim can't be a real American" crap.

jAZ
10-11-2007, 04:41 PM
I'm getting kind of tired of the "Islam is an inherently violent religion" and "A Muslim can't be a real American" crap.
But we ARE a Christian Nation!

:p

Adept Havelock
10-11-2007, 04:47 PM
As has been said, it's a nice start.

Now we will have to see the response and where it goes from there.

Nice to see. A reply in kind would be even better.

I'm getting kind of tired of the "Islam is an inherently violent religion" and "A Muslim can't be a real American" crap.

Amen! ;)

Braincase
10-11-2007, 04:52 PM
It would be nice if Christains could pray at the Temple Mount.

Jenson71
10-11-2007, 04:54 PM
The Catholic Church has done so much to bridge the gap. As the article mentions, Benedict praying in the Blue Mosque, and PJPII going to the mosque in Syria was big. And did you see the outcry when Pope John Paul II kissed the Koran? Some very conservative Catholics were angry at the Pope! They thought he was too liberal!

pikesome
10-11-2007, 04:59 PM
The Catholic Church has done so much to bridge the gap. As the article mentions, Benedict praying in the Blue Mosque, and PJPII going to the mosque in Syria was big. And did you see the outcry when Pope John Paul II kissed the Koran? Some very conservative Catholics were angry at the Pope! They thought he was too liberal!

Muslims aren't the only ones who dress their frustrations and anger in the piety of religion.

I don't mean to suggest all do, just that human nature is human nature. A Jewish settler with an AK or a Christian snipping abortion doctors are sitting right next to that Islamic bomber on the express train to the fiery pits.

Jenson71
10-11-2007, 05:00 PM
It would be nice if Christains could pray at the Temple Mount.

It would also be nice to be able to enter Mecca. I hope I'm able to sometime in my lifetime.

Jilly
10-11-2007, 05:03 PM
I love seeing an article like this surface, because I've heard it said too many times that there are no moderate Muslims or that Moderate Muslims should be doing more.... Things like this have been taking place all over the world, it's just nice to finally be hearing about it. And I think it's right, these two faiths are Key to world peace, imo.

Jenson71
10-11-2007, 05:05 PM
I also want to thank the Muslim scholars, and anyone who agrees with their views, who urge peace, love, and understanding.

Adept Havelock
10-11-2007, 05:27 PM
It would also be nice to be able to enter Mecca. I hope I'm able to sometime in my lifetime.


I expect that'll happen about the same time the Vatican opens the Archivum Secretum Apostolicum Vaticanum to the public.

But yeah, I'd like to see both.

Jenson71
10-11-2007, 05:43 PM
I expect that'll happen about the same time the Vatican opens the Archivum Secretum Apostolicum Vaticanum to the public.

But yeah, I'd like to see both.

You can go into the Vatican Secret Archives. There are some real procedures to it, though, of course. Like advanced time, specific things you want to look for, special gloves, I'm sure. I don't know all the details. I wouldn't be surprised if they just grilled questions on you though, really made sure you were a serious scholar.

Adept Havelock
10-11-2007, 05:51 PM
You can go into the Vatican Secret Archives. There are some real procedures to it, though, of course. Like advanced time, specific things you want to look for, special gloves, I'm sure. I don't know all the details. I wouldn't be surprised if they just grilled questions on you though, really made sure you were a serious scholar.


They've got an interesting website, that's for sure. I've heard their tech support is infallible. :p

http://asv.vatican.va/home_en.htm

Jenson71
10-11-2007, 05:58 PM
It is a great website. It'd be even cooler if I knew Latin. Here's the "Proceedings of the trial against Galileo":

http://asv.vatican.va/en/visit/doc/zoom01.html

'Hamas' Jenkins
10-11-2007, 05:59 PM
It is a great website. It'd be even cooler if I knew Latin. Here's the "Proceedings of the trial against Galileo":

http://asv.vatican.va/en/visit/doc/zoom01.html

Jenson, clear out your PMs.

Jenson71
10-11-2007, 06:02 PM
Jenson, clear out your PMs.

Ah - thanks. I didn't know that was the limit.

a1na2
10-11-2007, 06:12 PM
Nice to see. A reply in kind would be even better.

I'm getting kind of tired of the "Islam is an inherently violent religion" and "A Muslim can't be a real American" crap.

A reply in kind? Probably not going to happen.

Islam is not an inherently violent religion but it spawns radical fringe elements that are inherently violent. (see recent history).

I have never heard anyone say that a Muslim can't be a real American. I'd like to see a link that advocates that theme.

trndobrd
10-11-2007, 07:54 PM
A reply in kind? Probably not going to happen.

Islam is not an inherently violent religion but it spawns radical fringe elements that are inherently violent. (see recent history).

I have never heard anyone say that a Muslim can't be a real American. I'd like to see a link that advocates that theme.


I have received an email similar to this on several occasions...

http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/05/can_muslims_be_good.html

SBK
10-11-2007, 08:11 PM
Words are good, action is better.

a1na2
10-11-2007, 08:23 PM
I have received an email similar to this on several occasions...

http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2006/05/can_muslims_be_good.html


You must be a magnet for nut jobs.

I've never seen that one or any like it before today. But then I'm not out looking for them either. Why you might ask? I know that the problems in the world to day are less to do with religion than it does with radical nut jobs.

Sully
10-11-2007, 10:05 PM
Great article.
Couldn't disagree with the title more, though...

Mr. Kotter
10-11-2007, 10:33 PM
Words are good, action is better.


Allah, akbar.

:)

SBK
10-11-2007, 11:15 PM
Allah, akbar.

:)

You need an exploding smiley for that. :p