Al Gore wins Nobel Peace Prize. To share with UN Panel..

[memyselfI]

It's time, Al. Announce you are running at your acceptance speech. :clap:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071012/ap_on_re_eu/nobel_peace

Gore, U.N. body win Nobel Peace Prize By DOUG MELLGREN, Associated Press Writer
21 minutes ago

OSLO, Norway - Former Vice President Al Gore and the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change won the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize Friday for their efforts to spread awareness of man-made climate change and lay the foundations for counteracting it.

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"I am deeply honored to receive the Nobel Peace Prize," Gore said. "We face a true planetary emergency. The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity."

Gore's film "An Inconvenient Truth," a documentary on global warming, won an Academy Award this year and he had been widely expected to win the prize.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee said global warming, "may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the earth's resources. Such changes will place particularly heavy burdens on the world's most vulnerable countries. There may be increased danger of violent conflicts and wars, within and between states."

Gore said he would donate his share of the $1.5 million that accompanies the prize to the Alliance for Climate Protection, a bipartisan nonprofit organization devoted to conveying the urgency of solving the climate crisis.

"His strong commitment, reflected in political activity, lectures, films and books, has strengthened the struggle against climate change," the Nobel citation said. "He is probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted."

Gore supporters have been raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for petition drives and advertising in an effort to lure him into the Democratic presidential primaries. One group, Draftgore.com, ran a full-page open letter to Gore in Wednesday's New York Times, imploring him to get into the race.

Gore, 59, has been coy, saying repeatedly he's not running for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, without ever closing that door completely.

He was the Democratic nominee in 2000 and won the general election popular vote. However, Gore lost the electoral vote to George W. Bush after a legal challenge to the Florida result that was decided by the Supreme Court.

Peace Prize committee chairman Ole Danbolt Mjoes said a possible Gore presidential run was not his concern.

"I want this prize to have everyone ... every human being, asking what they should do," Mjoes said. "What he (Gore) decides to do from here is his personal decision."

However, when asked about the 2008 U.S. elections, he said: "I am very much in support for all who support changes."

The last American to win the prize or share it was former President Carter in 2002.

The Nobel committee cited the Panel on Climate Change for two decades of scientific reports that have "created an ever-broader informed consensus about the connection between human activities and global warming."

Members of the panel, a network of 2,000 scientists, were surprised that it was chosen to share the honor with Gore, a spokeswoman said.

"We would have been happy even if he had received it alone because it is a recognition of the importance of this issue," spokeswoman Carola Traverso Saibante said.

The panel forecast this year that all regions of the world will be affected by climate warming and that a third of the Earth's species will vanish if global temperatures continue to rise until they are 3.6 degrees above the average temperature in the 1980s and '90s.

"Decisive action in the next decade can still avoid some of the most catastrophic scenarios the IPCC has forecast," said Yvo de Boer, the U.N.'s top climate official.

He urged consensus among the United States and other countries on attacking the problem.

Climate change has moved high on the international agenda this year. The U.N. climate panel has been releasing reports, talks on a replacement for the 1997 Kyoto Protocol on climate are set to resume and on Europe's northern fringe, where the awards committee works, there is growing concern about the melting Arctic.

Jan Egeland, a Norwegian peace mediator and former U.N. undersecretary for humanitarian affairs, also called climate change more than an environmental issue.

"It is a question of war and peace," said Egeland, now director of the Norwegian Institute of International Affairs in Oslo. "We're already seeing the first climate wars, in the Sahel belt of Africa." He said nomads and herders are in conflict with farmers because the changing climate has brought drought and a shortage of fertile lands.

The committee often uses the coveted prize to cast the global spotlight on a relatively little-known person or cause. Since Gore already has a high profile some had doubted that the committee would bestow the prize on him "because he does not need it."

Gore's climate change effort has had its share of criticism.

A British judge said in a ruling published Wednesday that some assertions in his documentary were not supported by scientific evidence. The case involved a challenge from a school official who did not want the film shown to students.

The ruling detailed High Court Judge Michael Burton's decision this month to allow screenings of the film in English secondary schools. The judge said that written guidance to teachers, designed to ensure Gore's views are not presented uncritically, must accompany the screenings.

In recent years, the Nobel committee has broadened the interpretation of peacemaking

[stevieray]

Hillary pimps a BJ, Gore pimps Nature...

...and both will pimp the American public...and we deserve it.

[penchief]

Hillary pimps a BJ, Gore pimps Nature...

...and both will pimp the American public...and we deserve it.

That's funny coming from somebody that can't recognize when they've been pimped big time by George Bush.

You're right about one thing, though.....we deserve it.

[stevieray]

That's funny coming from somebody that can't recognize when they've been pimped big time by George Bush.

You're right about one thing, though.....we deserve it.

We aren't talking about Bush, so your gradeschool, but my sister did it too BS doesn't wash.

My kids understand this better than you.

I will say I'm impressed that you aren't trying to blame the gov't for our citizens actons and choices... :clap:

[GoBobDole]

Whether one buys the global warming concept at all, it's really stretching it to twist it to the point where anyone can claim it has any tangible impact on peace.

[Jenson71]

In recent years, the Nobel committee has broadened the interpretation of peacemaking

I guess so!

Wouldn't a Gore nomination really split things up? It seems Hilary already has the Democrat support. And only getting stronger. Maybe Gore will be a vice president under a Clinton again. :)

[tiptap]

Whether one buys the global warming concept at all, it's really stretching it to twist it to the point where anyone can claim it has any tangible impact on peace.

Yes the potential displacement of millions of people will go off without a fuss. There will be absolutely no wrangle about water rights from dwindling sources for lack of snow or glacial pack. Agricultural production shouldn't see any effect so to cause tensions.

[Radar Chief]

In recent years, the Nobel committee has broadened the interpretation of peacemaking

Gee, ya think? ROFL :shake:

[BigRedChief]

I guess so!

Wouldn't a Gore nomination really split things up? It seems Hilary already has the Democrat support. And only getting stronger. Maybe Gore will be a vice president under a Clinton again. :)

Poll on MSN
If Al Gore were added to the current group of candidates seeking the Democratic nomination, who would you vote for? * 10994 responses

Joe Biden
1.5%

Hillary Clinton
9.6%

Chris Dodd
0.1%

John Edwards
3%

Al Gore
55%

Mike Gravel
0.2%

Dennis Kucinich
0.8%

Barack Obama
5.2%

Bill Richardson
1.5%

None of the above
23%

Draft Al Gore website:
http://www.draftgore.com/

[Ultra Peanut]

We aren't talking about BushWe weren't talking about Clinton either, dumb****. But yeah, he's been doing all of this just to "pimp the environment," which is far worse than sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALANOTHAPPENINGLALALA."

And you hyper-religious types certainly haven't been pimped, or anything.

Gee, ya think? ROFL :shake:Yeah, working to prevent something that would lead to an incredible amount of upheaval and deaths isn't "peacemaking" at all.

[ClevelandBronco]

As long as everybody stays the hell off of Al Gore's "peace" of this planet he'll deserve the prize.

[Radar Chief]

Yeah, working to prevent something that would lead to an incredible amount of upheaval and deaths isn't "peacemaking" at all.

So, there’s no one working for peace in the world that we currently live in? The Nobel Peace Prize should go to some guy “working for peace” for some theorized world we might live in a few centuries from now?

[stevieray]

We weren't talking about Clinton either, dumb****. But yeah, he's been doing all of this just to "pimp the environment," which is far worse than sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALALANOTHAPPENINGLALALA."

And you hyper-religious types certainly haven't been pimped, or anything.

Yeah, working to prevent something that would lead to an incredible amount of upheaval and deaths isn't "peacemaking" at all.

do you ever get tired of deflecting? I didn't say it GW is true or not...

Clinton is running for president, this article mentions his possible bid.

dumb****? thank you for continuing to show just how fake the liberals compassion for others truly is.

take your repressed anger and deal with it in a more constructive manner, it's already caused you enough pain for ten people, and to be honest, is getting really old.

[Ultra Peanut]

Do you think there weren't deserving people who got passed over in favor of other nominees in previous years? This doesn't diminish their efforts, it just recognizes the efforts of a man and an organization that have worked to make an incredibly important issue more visible to the world at large.

[Ultra Peanut]

dumb****? thank you for continuing to show just how fake the liberals compassion for others truly is.I've never claimed to be a liberal, and I fail to see how calling an idiot an idiot is all that terrible.

take your repressed anger and deal with it in a more constructive manner, it's already caused you enough pain for ten people, and to be honest, is getting really old.OH GOD I'M HURTING SO BAD RIGHT NOW SEND HALP

[stevieray]

I've never claimed to be a liberal, and I fail to see how calling an idiot an idiot is all that terrible.

OH GOD I'M HURTING SO BAD RIGHT NOW SEND HALP

thanks for provng my point.

[trndobrd]

According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses".

Disregarding the accuracy of the claims in the movie Gore narrated, a Nobel prize for science or literature would have been more appropriate.

[tiptap]

When you get on the committee you can steer the interpretation of the will.

[Ultra Peanut]

Hey, these people who think about the Nobel Peace Prize (maybe) once a year are totally more qualified than those morons.

[Ultra Peanut]

thanks for provng my point.That's it, really?

[jeffrho68]

They've done it again!!

U.S. Supreme Court Steals Gore's Nobel Peace Prize (http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2730)

[pikesome]

The Noble peace prize has turned into a global version of Homecoming Queen. Mostly a popularity contest.

[Radar Chief]

When you get on the committee you can steer the interpretation of the will.

How about I just sit back and laugh at the pushing of an agenda other than what the organization was created for.

[Ultra Peanut]

Yeah. I hate it when they vote for assholes like the Grameen Bank, Muhammad Yunus, the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed El Baradei, Wangari Maathai, and Shirin Ebadi on name recognition alone.

They've practically turned into Hillary Clinton supporters.

[tiptap]

Yes, all the upper classmen/statesmen try to get the freshman to vote for their friend. It is JUST like Homecoming.

[Radar Chief]

This doesn't diminish their efforts, it just recognizes the efforts of a man and an organization that have worked to make an incredibly important issue more visible to the world at large.

And how has that effected peace in the world today or over the past year? :shrug:

[tiptap]

How about I just sit back and laugh at the pushing of an agenda other than what the organization was created for.

And of course your Radar is able to channel the thoughts and wishes of Noble on the issue of Global Warming and it potential effect on peaceful existence.

[Ultra Peanut]

And how has that effected peace in the world today or over the past year? :shrug:It's not the ****ing Cy Young Award.

[tiptap]

The Noble Prize isn't awarded every year or for the previous year.

[pikesome]

When you get on the committee you can steer the interpretation of the will.

The Norwegian Parliament appoints the Norwegian Nobel Committee, which selects the Laureate for the Peace Prize. The Committee chairman, currently Dr. Ole Danbolt Mjøs, awards the Prize itself.

Sounds like it might be a bit hard to get on the committee. I'm guessing that most of them are Norwegian.

[Radar Chief]

And of course your Radar is able to channel the thoughts and wishes of Noble on the issue of Global Warming and it potential effect on peaceful existence.

:hmmm:

[Radar Chief]

The Noble Prize isn't awarded every year or for the previous year.

So, when did you start “channeling the thoughts and wishes” of the Nobel organization?

[tiptap]

The interesting thing is that Norway has a large income from the North Sea Oil production. The Parliament sees as much influence of oil as any other producing state. But the their judgment all around is based upon the best understanding and not capitalistic interest groups.

[Radar Chief]

It's not the ****ing Cy Young Award.

Right, it’s a socialist elite popularity contest. I thought we established that already. ;)

[tiptap]

The committee states explicitly their reasoning in awarding the prize. Look it up. I don't have to channel anything just the web site.

[HolmeZz]

dumb****? thank you for continuing to show just how fake the liberals compassion for others truly is

Those warmongering, torture-loving, death penalty-supporting motherf*ckers.

[Radar Chief]

The committee states explicitly their reasoning in awarding the prize. Look it up. I don't have to channel anything just the web site.

Well, were you going to do that at some point, or were you just making threats? ;)

[Laz]

Al Gore is doing more in the private sector ..... he's not running.

i'm mean why sign up for the abuse? :shrug:

[memyselfI]

Al Gore is doing more in the private sector ..... he's not running.

i'm mean why sign up for the abuse? :shrug:

I know. A girl can dream can't she???

[Ultra Peanut]

Well, were you going to do that at some point, or were you just making threats? ;)Or you could just read the article.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee said global warming, "may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the earth's resources. Such changes will place particularly heavy burdens on the world's most vulnerable countries. There may be increased danger of violent conflicts and wars, within and between states."

"His strong commitment, reflected in political activity, lectures, films and books, has strengthened the struggle against climate change," the Nobel citation said. "He is probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted."

[banyon]

The Noble peace prize has turned into a global version of Heisman Trophy. Mostly a popularity contest.

Altered your post, but you were right too. :thumb:

[SBK]

Why does the Nobel Peace Prize even matter? They've awarded the prize to a terrorist, and this year they passed over a woman that risked her life to save the lives of 2500 children.

[Radar Chief]

Or you could just read the article.

Maybe, if I was interested enough. Thanks though. ;)

Why does the Nobel Peace Prize even matter? They've awarded the prize to a terrorist, and this year they passed over a woman that risked her life to save the lives of 2500 children.

Pretty much.

[pikesome]

Altered your post, but you were right too. :thumb:

I like your analogy better, it's recipients aren't without merit but...

[stevieray]

Those warmongering, torture-loving, death penalty-supporting motherf*ckers.

more deflection.

don't you have to back up your threat of knocking somone's dick in the dirt?

[HolmeZz]

DEFLECTION... DON'T YOU HAVE TO THREATEN SOMEONE ABOUT KNOCKING THEIR DICK IN THE DIRT?

Holy crap, what a n00b.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/jrc6248/negrep.jpg

[stevieray]

Holy crap, what a n00b.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/jrc6248/negrep.jpg

you said it...do you want me to prove it? or can you man up and admit it, instead of acting like a little girl crying about your neg reps?

[HolmeZz]

you said it...do you want me to prove it? or can you man up and admit it, instead of acting like a little girl crying about neg reps.?

No shit I said it. I was mocking him for having said it to me first.

You're the one who's deflecting here by bringing up some random post I made over a month ago that has nothing to do with anything.

[stevieray]

No shit I said it. I was mocking him for having said it to me first.

:deevee: he did it first! :deevee:

funny how you tried to blame others for your actions...like children do.

[HolmeZz]

This is the most retarded conversation I've had on CP and that's saying something.

[stevieray]

No shit I said it. I was mocking him for having said it to me first.

You're the one who's deflecting here by bringing up some random post I made over a month ago that has nothing to do with anything.

still the victim..? shocking!

it just reinforces the point made for the conversation you butted into.

don't worry, I don't think you've ever knocked anyones dick in the dirt.

[stevieray]

This is the most retarded conversation I've had on CP and that's saying something.

keep proving the point.

[HolmeZz]

still the victim..? shocking

Nobody's a friggin' victim. This is just the silliest thing anyone's ever gotten on me for. You need a sense of humor. Badly.

it just reinforces the conversation you butted into.

You made it into a group conversation with your broad generalization.

[Ultra Peanut]

Nobody's a friggin' victim.Stevie was playing the "ablooblooblooooo you called me a name" card earlier, though.

[stevieray]

Stevie was playing the "ablooblooblooooo you called me a name" card earlier, though.

ROFL ...keep telling yourself that UP...by your logic, it's not "terrible" for anyone to call you a homosexual if they believe it to be true.

[stevieray]

Nobody's a friggin' victim.



You made it into a group conversation with your broad generalization.
Nobody except you, you keep blaming others for your choices.

I think you butted in because the shoe fit.

[HolmeZz]

Nobody except you, you keep blaming others for your choices.

What choices? I mocked him for what he said to me. What the hell is your point?

I think you butted in because the shoe fit.

I butted in because you made an unintelligent generalization.

[stevieray]

What choices? I mocked him for what he said to me. What the hell is your point?



I butted in because you made an unintelligent generalization.



"I butted in because you"... :deevee:

[tiptap]

I would like to bring this discussion back to the Nobel Prize. The precedent for awarding Gore this prize would be the Linus Pauling win for his work against Nuclear Weapons. It is not that Nuclear Weapons were used. It was the need to make clear and strong the consequence of their use. Global Warming is equally a human controlled action that must be addressed in order to avoid large human displacement and the associated turmoil.

[Ultra Peanut]

"I butted in because you"... :deevee:He should apologize for having the gall to post on SteviePlanet.

[banyon]

I would like to bring this discussion back to the Nobel Prize. The precedent for awarding Gore this prize would be the Linus Pauling win for his work against Nuclear Weapons. It is not that Nuclear Weapons were used. It was the need to make clear and strong the consequence of their use. Global Warming is equally a human controlled action that must be addressed in order to avoid large human displacement and the associated turmoil.

Global Warming isn't a weapon though like a Nuke designed for War. It's not clear that having a global catastrophe might not unify in a common struggle. If countries were CFC bombing other countries to render their ecosystems uninhabitable, then it would be a direct analogy (although now that I say that, there probably is some DARPA basement somewhere with thatplan lying around).

*edit* also, what do you mean that they hadn't been used?

[stevieray]

He should apologize for having the gall to post on SteviePlanet.

:deevee:

[penchief]

more deflection.

don't you have to back up your threat of knocking somone's dick in the dirt?

And what did you do to my opinion when I responded to your opinion? It's not unreasonable at all to believe that this country got pimped by George Bush in a way that was far more profound than the petty shit you were referring to.

All I was pointing out is that if you are going to mock Gore for wanting peace and environmental integrity while also pimping Bush's war-mongering and environmental exploitation, someone has to point out the hypocricy of your attack on someone who truly has been a public servent (Gore) while supporting the acts of someone who has been nothing more than a lackey for elitist interests no matter how detrimental to America or humankind (Bush).

[penchief]

still the victim..? shocking!

I see you've moved on to using this tactic against others besides me. Just because somebody stands for something other than what you and Bush stand for doesn't mean they're playing the victim card.

[penchief]

Nobody except you, you keep blaming others for your choices.

Why does this sound familiar? Still playing the same game, huh? It's time to get a new schtick, stevieray. I think you are the one playing the victim because you are incapable of understanding how anyone can disagree with you or your idol, George W. Bush.

[stevieray]

And what did you do to my opinion when I responded to your opinion? It's not unreasonable at all to believe that this country got pimped by George Bush in a way that was far more profound than the petty shit you were referring to.

All I was pointing out is that if you are going to mock Gore for wanting peace and environmental integrity while also pimping Bush's war
mongering and environmental exploitation, someone has to point out the hypocricy of your attack on someone who truly has been a public servent (Gore) while supporting the acts of someone who has been nothing more than a lackey for elitist interests.


blahblahblah..8 out of ten times it doesn't matter what the topic is, you deflect back to Bush...you want to talk about Bush, start a thread. Something tells me you won't.


Al Gore couldn't even carry his own state. He mentions being president in the fisrt minute of his "movie". Just like this article...if the main concern was truly GW, those points are moot.

It's going to be fun watching you become what you claim to despise. not surprising though, most people become the monster so the monster won't break them.

[stevieray]

Why does this sound familiar? Still playing the same game, huh? It's time to get a new schtick, stevieray. I think you are the one playing the victim because you are incapable of understanding how anyone can disagree with you or your idol, George W. Bush.

I didn't originally address anyone in this thread, it's butthurt people like you who can't handle my opinion and act accordingly.


btw, thanks for proving my point....

funny how you have to make Bush my "idol".... :deevee:

Bush isn't my idol, he's our President.

[penchief]

blahblahblah..8 out of ten times it doesn't matter what the topic is, you deflect back to Bush...you want to talk about Bush, start a thread. Something tells me you won't.


Al Gore couldn't even carry his own state. He mentions being president in the fisrt minute of his "movie". Just like this article...if the main concern was truly GW, those points are moot.

It's going to be fun watching you become what you claim to despise. not surprising though, most people become the monster so the monster won't break them.

Here we go again. Little stevieray thinks somebody else is playing the victim and blaming others for their own shortcomings just because they point out how ****ed we are because of this administration.

Little stevieray gets mad because people like Gore get praise for serving in ways that benefit mankind while his hero, George Bush, comes under fire for being a fascist asshat.

So what does little stevieray do? He takes potshots at people like Gore while propping up greed and aggression in the name of Christ. Then when somebody answers his potshots with the obvious, he psychoanalyzes them for pointing out his hypocricy.

IMO, it's time for you, stevieray, to take a long hard look at what you profess to believe compared to what you espouse. I think that if you somehow did you would find a huge disconnect. But that must be why you take the tact you do. Personal attacks against those who see things differently than you is so much easier than admitting that you're a huge hypocrite.

[stevieray]

Here we go again. Little stevieray thinks somebody else is playing the victim and blaming others for their own shortcomings just because they point out how ****ed we are because of this administration.

Little stevieray gets mad because people like Gore get praise for serving in ways that benefit mankind while his hero, George Bush, comes under fire for being a fascist asshat.

So what does little stevieray do? He takes potshots at people like Gore while propping up greed and aggression in the name of Christ. Then when somebody answers his potshots with the obvious, he psychoanalyzes them for pointing out his hypocricy.

IMO, it's time for you, stevieray, to take a long hard look at what you profess to believe compared to what you espouse. I think that if you somehow did you would find a huge disconnect. But that must be why you take the tact you do. Personal attacks against those who see things differently than you is so much easier than admitting that you're a huge hypocrite.

I didn't address anyone with my initial comment. please keep ignoring the facts.

And keep proving my point. I'd have to make at least 1000 comments on Gore before I even come close to your unhealthy obssession.


I've read your repetitive BS for years...one comment on Gore and you can't handle it...shocking!

little stevieray? helllo kettle! have another drink....

[Fishpicker]

I didn't address anyone with my initial comment. please keep ignoring the facts.

And keep proving my point. I'd have to make at least 1000 comments on Gore before I even come close to your unhealthy obssession.


I've read your repetitive BS for years...one comment on Gore and you can't handle it...shocking!

little stevieray? helllo kettle! have another drink....

:deevee:

[stevieray]

:deevee:

are you here to get owned again?

oh wait, you can't even acknowledge your own posts.

[Fishpicker]

are you here to get owned again?

nope.

so quit your :deevee:

[stevieray]

nope.


good, I felt bad for you last time. I'm guessing you were drunk.

[penchief]

I didn't address anyone with my initial comment. please keep ignoring the facts.

And keep proving my point. I'd have to make at least 1000 comments on Gore before I even come close to your unhealthy obssession.


I've read your repetitive BS for years...one comment on Gore and you can't handle it...shocking!

little stevieray? helllo kettle! have another drink....

According to you everbody is:

1. Playing the victim,

2. Blaming others for their own shortcomings,

and

3. Proving your point for you.

You're like a broken record that never offers anything of substance. In fact, it's amazing how you can't recognize how shallow your arguments are or how you always attack the other person's motives instead of their points.

[Fishpicker]

According to you everbody is:

1. Playing the victim,

2. Blaming others for their own shortcomings,

and

3. Proving your point for you.

you're like a broken record while never offering anything of substance. In fact, it's amazing how you can't recognize how shallow your arguments, let alone how you attack the other person's motives instead of their points.

oh, you are going to get it, now. you walked right into stevieray's snare.

prepare yourself....




the :deevee: is coming. And soon

[stevieray]

.

you're like a broken record while never offering anything of substance. In fact, it's amazing how you can't recognize how shallow your arguments, let alone how you attack the other person's motives instead of their points.

you just described yourself, and then committed the same act you are accusing me of...shocking!

I never said shortcomings...but I find it very telling that you chose that word.

I just said that certain people on this board blame others for their own choices.

Now I know how you like to get the last word in...you go ahead and do that..

I'm going to take the family to cold stone creamery... :) bbl...

[stevieray]

oh, you are going to get it, now. you walked right into stevieray's snare.

prepare yourself....




the :deevee: is coming. And soon

back to riding other's waves again...?

ROFL

[penchief]

you just described yourself, and then committed the same act you are accusing me of...shocking!

I never said shortcomings...but I find it very telling that you chose that word.

I just said that certain people on this board blame others for their own choices.

Now I know how you like to get the last word in...you go ahead and do that..

I'm going to take the family to cold stone creamery... :) bbl...

How convenient of you to leave out the reason I think you're a broken record. But of course you don't want to answer to that charge because you know it's true. You never make an argument without attacking the motives of the person you disagree with. And you never address the specifics of the other person's argument.

All you ever seem to do is make those three accusations that I cited. Why is that?

While I may also be a broken record, at least I'm addressing issues and criticizing policies. You never address anything of substance but always make insinuations against the other person. IMO, that's not only uncool but it's not very Christianlike, either.

[Fishpicker]

honestly stevieray, I cant keep up with you. I dont have any interest in doing so. I can try and try to decipher your multi-worded posts but I'll never get it. (i could try to read between the lines if you ever posted more than a sentence) your posts are too abstract for me.

hey Stevieray , do you know of a smiley that could sum that up? :ZZZ: doesnt quite cover it.

[headsnap]

this thread ROCKS!!!!

pen, peanut, and Fish battle stevie all the while interrupting tiptap's wet dream... ROFL

[Fishpicker]

this thread ROCKS!!!!

pen, peanut, and Fish battle stevie all the while interrupting tiptap's wet dream... ROFL

do you close threads all the time or just when stevieray has familial obligations?

[headsnap]

do you close threads all the time or just when stevieray has familial obligations?
by all means, please continue the pissing match...


it's great fun seeing tiptap's wet dream get hijacked! ROFL

[Fishpicker]

by all means, please continue the pissing match...


it's great fun seeing tiptap's wet dream get hijacked! ROFL

continue the pissing match with whom? you? I dont know anything about you other than you show up when stevieray takes leave.

[headsnap]

continue the pissing match with whom? you? I dont know anything about you other than you show up when stevieray takes leave.

with stevieray you dumbass!!!



wow, the 2nd thread and my second post as such in over 10,000...



you should venture out of DC once in a while...

[Ultra Peanut]

with stevieray you dumbass!!!



wow, the 2nd thread and my second post as such in over 10,000...



you should venture out of DC once in a while...
:deevee:

[headsnap]

:deevee:
ROFL

[penchief]

Right, it’s a socialist elite popularity contest. I thought we established that already. ;)

Accusing the process of being socialist is a rationalization, IMO. And I don't ever remember establishing that it was an elitist popularity contest.

Deriding Gore (ala, Bushies) is one of the only things left to do if you're a conservative. One might even say that it is a habit or a knee-jerk reaction. Personal derision and public contempt have long been a major prong in their efforts to win and consolidate power. Gore has been a target of that tactic many times, unfairly.

IMO, their willingness to appeal to our darker side in that way only shows who they are. And I think they've been pretty successful at manipulating our base emotions in order to advance their agenda. They've succeeded in dividing us in the process.

George Bush has been nothing but a salesman for those who are now running our country. They are people who have seen fit to corrupt our government in order to defy the laws of our land. They are crooked businessmen who have been given the keys to the kingdom.

You should be praying for someone like Al Gore right now. This is something we should agree on. If you want to keep Hillary out of office, Gore is going to be your best bet. I don't want Hillary because she's already sold out to the status quo. If we both really want change, Gore is probably our best bet. He's the most qualified person to run this country right now. He knows the job, he's smart, he's dedicated, and for the most part, he's principled.

Good Lord, just compare Bush with Gore and what they've accomplished since Florida 2000. One has taken America for a joy ride to the bank while the other has tried to raise awareness about issues vital to human existence.

After Bush, anybody will do. But we would be Lucky to have Gore cleaning up Bush's mess.

[CRONUS]

:deevee: he did it first! :deevee:

funny how you tried to blame others for your actions...like children do.
ROFL

You sound like DEnise.

[stevieray]

That's funny coming from somebody that can't recognize when they've been pimped big time by George Bush.

You're right about one thing, though.....we deserve it.

let's see, no differing opinion about gore, just an ad hominem coupled with deflection to Bush and an accusation of motives...

[stevieray]

And what did you do to my opinion when I responded to your opinion? It's not unreasonable at all to believe that this country got pimped by George Bush in a way that was far more profound than the petty shit you were referring to.

All I was pointing out is that if you are going to mock Gore for wanting peace and environmental integrity while also pimping Bush's war-mongering and environmental exploitation, someone has to point out the hypocricy of your attack on someone who truly has been a public servent (Gore) while supporting the acts of someone who has been nothing more than a lackey for elitist interests no matter how detrimental to America or humankind (Bush).

let's see, now we are making gore the victim because someone thinks he's a fraud and has a contrary opinion. Again, penchief can't make his point without mentioning Bush. He needs to paint Bush in a bad light to prop up Gore. like tiptap, if you applaud Gore for his efforts, you are entitled to your opinion.

...plus the false accusation of pimping bush's war "mongering" and supporting a "lackey"...more ad hominem..

[stevieray]

Why does this sound familiar? Still playing the same game, huh? It's time to get a new schtick, stevieray. I think you are the one playing the victim because you are incapable of understanding how anyone can disagree with you or your idol, George W. Bush.

More ad hominem and deflection to Bush.

"your idol"

[stevieray]

I see you've moved on to using this tactic against others besides me. Just because somebody stands for something other than what you and Bush stand for doesn't mean they're playing the victim card.

More ad hominem about a post that has nothing to do with Gore.


"you and bush"

[stevieray]

Al Gore couldn't even carry his own state. He mentions being president in the fisrt minute of his "movie". Just like this article...if the main concern was truly GW, those points are moot.

points made to back up my opinion..does penchief address these points?

not a chance.

[stevieray]

Here we go again. Little stevieray thinks somebody else is playing the victim and blaming others for their own shortcomings just because they point out how ****ed we are because of this administration.

Little stevieray gets mad because people like Gore get praise for serving in ways that benefit mankind while his hero, George Bush, comes under fire for being a fascist asshat.

So what does little stevieray do? He takes potshots at people like Gore while propping up greed and aggression in the name of Christ. Then when somebody answers his potshots with the obvious, he psychoanalyzes them for pointing out his hypocricy.

IMO, it's time for you, stevieray, to take a long hard look at what you profess to believe compared to what you espouse. I think that if you somehow did you would find a huge disconnect. But that must be why you take the tact you do. Personal attacks against those who see things differently than you is so much easier than admitting that you're a huge hypocrite.

This is my favorite..tells me I'm mad because gore got praise... he can't prove that., so he then is reduced to calling bush my "hero"

Tells me i'm taking potshots at gore while calling our President a fascist asshat.

Then tells me I'm pyschoanalyzing while that's all he's done with my posts...then describes himself in this thread.

a thread where almost every reply is focused on the poster, not the points made.

[stevieray]

How convenient of you to leave out the reason I think you're a broken record. But of course you don't want to answer to that charge because you know it's true. You never make an argument without attacking the motives of the person you disagree with. And you never address the specifics of the other person's argument.

All you ever seem to do is make those three accusations that I cited. Why is that?

While I may also be a broken record, at least I'm addressing issues and criticizing policies. You never address anything of substance but always make insinuations against the other person. IMO, that's not only uncool but it's not very Christianlike, either.

still waiting for the specifics and adressing the points I made, but get more insinuations..

[stevieray]

According to you everbody is:

1. Playing the victim,

2. Blaming others for their own shortcomings,

and

3. Proving your point for you.

You're like a broken record that never offers anything of substance. In fact, it's amazing how you can't recognize how shallow your arguments are or how you always attack the other person's motives instead of their points.

everybody...nope just a select few.

still no counterpoints, just more insinuations.

[stevieray]

honestly stevieray, I cant keep up with you. I dont have any interest in doing so.

true, that's why you didn't offer anything up about gore, as usual, just jumping on another bandwagon.

[stevieray]

this thread ROCKS!!!!

pen, peanut, and Fish battle stevie all the while interrupting tiptap's wet dream... ROFL


It's funny isn't it? tip tap thinks it's deserving and that's ok, even though I disagree.

[Ultra Peanut]

My dearest Stevie,

Shut up.

xoxo

[stevieray]

My dearest Stevie,

Shut up.

xoxo

rep.

[banyon]

Well tiptap, I disagreed earlier because I don't think you should hand someone an award based on what *might* happen. And I still think that's my position. But, this weekend I heard something that at least made me think twice.

In 1963, Lake Chad was about 25,000 sq km in area. Now it has shrunk to less than 1500 sq km. Consequently people who depended on that water packed up their bags and moved elsewhere. Can anyone guess where they wound up?

[tiptap]

This is exactly what we will be seeing as lakes dry up and rivers with glacial sources are impacted (note the lake in Andean Chile recently). In the US we have a record low level for Lake Superior. Most people live close to shores and if water levels rise (and warmer water expands) then many of these areas will be impacted. Many island nation already see this.

And these events are now. Are attributable to higher temperatures and should we wait until we see greater effects? It not like we don't gain from getting off the oil tit so we don't feel the need to fund a war in the Middle East to meet our energy needs. That too would decrease the incentive to go to war over those carbon assets.

[Jenson71]

Well tiptap, I disagreed earlier because I don't think you should hand someone an award based on what *might* happen. And I still think that's my position. But, this weekend I heard something that at least made me think twice.

In 1963, Lake Chad was about 25,000 sq km in area. Now it has shrunk to less than 1500 sq km. Consequently people who depended on that water packed up their bags and moved elsewhere. Can anyone guess where they wound up?
Didn't Gore bring this up in An Inconvient Truth?

[patteeu]

According to you everbody is:

1. Playing the victim,

2. Blaming others for their own shortcomings,

and

3. Proving your point for you.

You're like a broken record that never offers anything of substance. In fact, it's amazing how you can't recognize how shallow your arguments are or how you always attack the other person's motives instead of their points.

Speaking of broken records, how fresh was this take:

That's funny coming from somebody that can't recognize when they've been pimped big time by George Bush.

You're right about one thing, though.....we deserve it.

Your first statement in a thread about Al Gore's Nobel Peace Prize boils down to "Bush sucks!" No mention of Gore, global warming, or the Nobel Peace Prize at all.

In fact, up to this point in the thread, you've made 5 posts and you've only mentioned Al Gore in two of them. Not surprisingly, you're 5 for 5 with mentions of Bush though. Very fresh!

[banyon]

Didn't Gore bring this up in An Inconvient Truth?

Did he? I only saw it once and don't remember that.

[Jenson71]

Did he? I only saw it once and don't remember that.

Yeah, I'm 100% sure Gore's film brings attention to this. I thought it was an interesting point.

[penchief]

Speaking of broken records, how fresh was this take:



Your first statement in a thread about Al Gore's Nobel Peace Prize boils down to "Bush sucks!" No mention of Gore, global warming, or the Nobel Peace Prize at all.

In fact, up to this point in the thread, you've made 5 posts and you've only mentioned Al Gore in two of them. Not surprisingly, you're 5 for 5 with mentions of Bush though. Very fresh!

And his reference was toward not only Gore but also toward Clinton (equally irrelevant as mine toward Bush). So what's the difference? His main point was pimping and being pimped and so was mine.

That's why I inititally responded the way I did.

[banyon]

Yeah, I'm 100% sure Gore's film brings attention to this. I thought it was an interesting point.

Yes it is. I think these issues to get to a point where they affect war and peace in a significant way, I just don't think we are anywhere close yet.