Tommy Thomposon endorses Rudy! [Archive]

recxjake

10-12-2007, 07:54 AM

Rudy Giuliani Picks Up Endorsement For President From Former Rival Tommy Thompson

The Associated Press

October 12, 2007
By Liz Sidoti

Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani will pick up the endorsement Friday of former GOP rival Tommy Thompson, a one-time Midwestern state governor.

“Rudy Giuliani has shown that he is a true leader. He can and will win the nomination and the presidency. He is America's mayor, and during a period of time of great stress for this country he showed tremendous leadership,” Thompson, the former Wisconsin governor, said in a statement obtained by the Associated Press.

The former New York mayor is to accept the endorsement in South Carolina later Friday.

Thompson is the first former 2008 Republican presidential candidate to endorse in the race, and officials familiar with details of the political courting involved said Giuliani's top rivals also sought his support. But Thompson recently told Giuliani he'd get the nod after several weeks of conversations. …

recxjake

10-12-2007, 07:55 AM

This should help Rudy in Iowa where Tommy had a pretty good ground game for someone polling 1% nationwide.

Direckshun

10-12-2007, 07:05 PM

amazing

banyon

10-12-2007, 07:23 PM

nychief

10-12-2007, 07:25 PM

Well, might as well swear him in... sheesh.

SNR

10-12-2007, 08:05 PM

PRINT'EM!

Silock

10-12-2007, 09:17 PM

http://www.seanet.com/~jimxc/Politics/dewey_defeats_truman1.jpg

penchief

10-12-2007, 09:35 PM

Once he realized he couldn't be the next "Ronald Reagan" he decided to endorse the next George W. Bush.

Bowser

10-13-2007, 09:56 AM

Who the **** is Tommy Thompson?

Adam

10-13-2007, 10:09 AM

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Perfect.

Nightwish

10-13-2007, 01:32 PM

Who the **** is Tommy Thompson?
My question exactly! If anyone outside his home state had heard of the guy, his endorsement might be meaningful.

recxjake

10-13-2007, 01:41 PM

My question exactly! If anyone outside his home state had heard of the guy, his endorsement might be meaningful.

In Iowa, everyone knows him... he visited all 99 counties... He is the first Presidential Candidate that has dropped out to endorse a candidate. He is also very popular in Wisconson.

Taco John

10-13-2007, 01:47 PM

He didn't drop out to endorse a candidate. He dropped out because he visited 99 counties in Iowa, and STILL couldn't drum up any support.

recxjake

10-13-2007, 02:04 PM

He didn't drop out to endorse a candidate. He dropped out because he visited 99 counties in Iowa, and STILL couldn't drum up any support.

Iowa Straw Poll Results

1 Mitt Romney 4,516 31.6%
2 Mike Huckabee 2,587 18.1%
3 Sam Brownback 2,192 15.3%
4 Tom Tancredo 1,961 13.7%
5 Ron Paul 1,305 9.1%
6 Tommy Thompson 1,039 7.3%

Wow, your guy did a lot better ROFL!!!

Nightwish

10-13-2007, 02:11 PM

In Iowa, everyone knows him... he visited all 99 counties... He is the first Presidential Candidate that has dropped out to endorse a candidate. He is also very popular in Wisconson.Okay, so two states have heard of him, one of which (Wisconsin) is his home state. And it doesn't say much for him that he is the only candidate to visit all 99 counties in Iowa, and still polled in the lower six (but not nearly as low as Rudy, who finished in 8th place at 1.3%). And no, he didn't drop out to support another candidate, he dropped out because he polled poorly in Iowa, something he had previously indicated would determine whether he stayed in the race. In short, he dropped out because he had hung his hat on polling high in Iowa, and it didn't work.

Really, in the GOP field, it seems the only candidates who are actually gaining any real momentum are Romney, Huckabee and Paul. The rest are sliding, or just kind of there.

Bowser

10-13-2007, 02:14 PM

Iowa Straw Poll Results

1 Mitt Romney 4,516 31.6%
2 Mike Huckabee 2,587 18.1%
3 Sam Brownback 2,192 15.3%
4 Tom Tancredo 1,961 13.7%
5 Ron Paul 1,305 9.1%
6 Tommy Thompson 1,039 7.3%

Wow, your guy did a lot better ROFL!!!

Jesus, has either the democrats or republicans looked as weak in candidates, ever? There is hardly a name on either side that gets me excited. Ron Paul has good ideas from what I've seen, but I think he is too extreme to make a serious run at the White House.

Adept Havelock

10-13-2007, 02:17 PM

Jesus, has either the democrats or republicans looked as weak in candidates, ever? There is hardly a name on either side that gets me excited. Ron Paul has good ideas from what I've seen, but I think he is too extreme to make a serious run at the White House.

No kidding. I'm expecting it'll be Hillary/Fred or Hillary/Rudy, with Ron Paul and Nader as third party candidates.

Ought to make for a very bloody (but amusing) political season. As long as it ends up with a power split between the Repubs and the Dems I'll be fairly content.

recxjake

10-13-2007, 02:39 PM

Okay, so two states have heard of him, one of which (Wisconsin) is his home state. And it doesn't say much for him that he is the only candidate to visit all 99 counties in Iowa, and still polled in the lower six (but not nearly as low as Rudy, who finished in 8th place at 1.3%). And no, he didn't drop out to support another candidate, he dropped out because he polled poorly in Iowa, something he had previously indicated would determine whether he stayed in the race. In short, he dropped out because he had hung his hat on polling high in Iowa, and it didn't work.

Really, in the GOP field, it seems the only candidates who are actually gaining any real momentum are Romney, Huckabee and Paul. The rest are sliding, or just kind of there.

The poll numbers don't agree with you.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html

recxjake

10-13-2007, 02:39 PM

Bowser

10-13-2007, 02:44 PM

Ron Paul said he will not run 3rd party.

Who is he going to join up with? I don't think his ideologies sync up very well with democrat or rebublican.

SNR

10-13-2007, 02:46 PM

SNR

10-13-2007, 02:48 PM

recxjake

10-13-2007, 02:50 PM

Guess how much time Ron Paul spent in Iowa and how much money?

>>> Rudy

recxjake

10-13-2007, 02:50 PM

Actually, that's wrong too. Tom Vilsack dropped out and endorsed Hillary Clinton on the Dem side a long time ago.

I don't care about Democrats.

Bowser

10-13-2007, 02:51 PM

I don't care about Democrats.

Why do you hate your fellow Americans?

Nightwish

10-13-2007, 04:25 PM

The poll numbers don't agree with you.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html
With the exception of the fact that I left out Fred Thompson in the list of upward trending GOP candidates, that data does seem to agree with me. It shows Rudy on a slight downward trend, McCain on a sharp downward trend, and Romney, Huckabee and Fred Thompson trending upwards. The chart only shows the front runners, but if it included Ron Paul, I strongly suspect you'd see an upward trend there, as well.

recxjake

10-13-2007, 04:27 PM

With the exception of the fact that I left out Fred Thompson in the list of upward trending GOP candidates, that data does seem to agree with me. It shows Rudy on a slight downward trend, McCain on a sharp downward trend, and Romney, Huckabee and Fred Thompson trending upwards. The chart only shows the front runners, but if it included Ron Paul, I strongly suspect you'd see an upward trend there, as well.

What the hell are you talking about... can you read? Rudy went from a 6 to almost 11 point lead in a week...

Notice that Rudy is in the 30's... there is NO candidate in the 20's.

HolmeZz

10-13-2007, 04:29 PM

I don't care about Democrats.

Nobody cares about Tommy Thompson.

recxjake

10-13-2007, 05:31 PM

Nobody cares about Tommy Thompson.

Almost as many people in Iowa care about Tommy Thompson as they do Ron Paul.

Nightwish

10-13-2007, 05:37 PM

What the hell are you talking about... can you read? Rudy went from a 6 to almost 11 point lead in a week...

Notice that Rudy is in the 30's... there is NO candidate in the 20's.Rudy has dropped significantly from where he was six months ago. Over the past five months, his polling numbers have changed only very slightly, up and down. Momentum that ain't. The jump in his lead is more from a drop in Thompson's numbers than from an increase in his own. It's also about the only drop Fred has experienced since he joined the race. Notice that I didn't say Rudy lost the lead, I said he's lost momentum, and that Romney, Huckabee and Paul (and Thompson) are showing the most momentum (in other words, upward trending) in the polls among GOP candidates. If all the present trends continue, Rudy will be knocked out of the lead within the next couple months, and won't even be considered a contender come next fall.

Nightwish

10-13-2007, 05:38 PM

Almost as many people in Iowa care about Tommy Thompson as they do Ron Paul.
Which is interesting, considering that Tommy Thompson put in considerably more money and effort into the Iowa Straw Poll than Paul, yet still finished behind him.

recxjake

10-13-2007, 06:04 PM

Rudy has dropped significantly from where he was six months ago. Over the past five months, his polling numbers have changed only very slightly, up and down. Momentum that ain't. The jump in his lead is more from a drop in Thompson's numbers than from an increase in his own. It's also about the only drop Fred has experienced since he joined the race. Notice that I didn't say Rudy lost the lead, I said he's lost momentum, and that Romney, Huckabee and Paul (and Thompson) are showing the most momentum (in other words, upward trending) in the polls among GOP candidates. If all the present trends continue, Rudy will be knocked out of the lead within the next couple months, and won't even be considered a contender come next fall.

ROFL... for since March political pundints have been saying this... yet here in mid October Rudy has a double digit lead nationwide, and is leading in almost every state.

Romney is trending downward after his lawyer talk... Fred is nothing but a flop.... Huckabee has momenttum, but not enought to win the nomination, he has 600,000 in the bank.

I'm not sure how rising poll numbers for Rudy = him losing the nomination?!@

banyon

10-13-2007, 06:08 PM

No kidding. I'm expecting it'll be Hillary/Fred or Hillary/Rudy, with Ron Paul and Nader as third party candidates.

Ought to make for a very bloody (but amusing) political season. As long as it ends up with a power split between the Repubs and the Dems I'll be fairly content.

I'm still waiting for Bloomberg to jump in waving around his mad cash and then the Religious Right to introduce another 3p pro-life candidate. That'll really f*** this thing up good.

recxjake

10-13-2007, 06:27 PM

I'm still waiting for Bloomberg to jump in waving around his mad cash and then the Religious Right to introduce another 3p pro-life candidate. That'll really f*** this thing up good.

Bloomberg just said a few weeks ago he was not running forsure, and the whole thing about him running was completely media driven.

Rudy will have a pro-life, southern VP... Huckabee, Thompson, Crist, Sanford, Barber just to name a few.

banyon

10-13-2007, 06:34 PM

Bloomberg just said a few weeks ago he was not running forsure, and the whole thing about him running was completely media driven.

Rudy will have a pro-life, southern VP... Huckabee, Thompson, Crist, Sanford, Barber just to name a few.

It's important to note that no one has ever changed their mind about running for President as well. :hmmm: A couple of pollsters who look at the numbers behind a Giuliani/Hilary split (two pro-war candidates) might convince him to switch back.

Also, I don't think having the token religious VP will satiate the far right.

recxjake

10-13-2007, 06:46 PM

It's important to note that no one has ever changed their mind about running for President as well. :hmmm: A couple of pollsters who look at the numbers behind a Giuliani/Hilary split (two pro-war candidates) might convince him to switch back.

Also, I don't think having the token religious VP will satiate the far right.

I think Mike Huckabee would make an excellent VP.

Nightwish

10-13-2007, 07:53 PM

I'm not sure how rising poll numbers for Rudy = him losing the nominationYou're mistaking a momentary dropoff in the poll numbers of his competition, as "rising" poll numbers for Rudy, because it opened up the gap for one week, a gap that had been steadily closing. If you have two drivers on the road that are traveling five car lengths apart, and the front car stays at 60 mph, but the back car speeds up to 70 and gets closer, then suddenly drops back to 50 mph, the gap will shorten then widen again, but that front car is still only going 60 mph. Unless the front car speeds up, it owes its position largly to the performance of the second car. That's Rudy. The gap doesn't mean he's picking up speed. Look at the line graph below the first chart, that'll show you how the candidates have been trending. You appear to be looking only at the numbers on the first chart, which really don't mean much of anything. If you look at the line chart, Rudy has been less than impressive.

recxjake

10-13-2007, 08:49 PM

Rudy has been less than impressive.

ROFL

A pro-choice, twice divorced, candidate leading the Republican field for 9 straight months... and throw in a double digit lead, and the most cash in the bank....

Nope, not impressive.

Nightwish

10-13-2007, 09:50 PM

ROFL

A pro-choice, twice divorced, candidate leading the Republican field for 9 straight months... and throw in a double digit lead, and the most cash in the bank....

Nope, not impressive.The fact that he can't seem to widen the gap on his own, and usurp some of the support from slipping competitors is not impressive. While some of his competitors are on a steady rise, he has been hovering for months in that 28-30% range, and can't seem to get over it. With the way his competitors have been on the rise over the past couple months, and the way he has pretty much been stagnate during that same time, coupled with the length of time still remaining, if he doesn't pull a rabbit out of his hat, he's gonna get toppled long before the elections. Face it, he's a one-trick pony, and people are starting to figure that out. If he could take support from the other candidates, that would be impressive, but he's not doing that. They fall a little here and there, but he doesn't benefit from it - the people that are falling away from the others aren't going to him.