Ron Paul drawing a line in the sand in NH on privacy

[Taco John]

Here's his third commercial. Should be interesting to see how the other candidates react to it. I believe they're all in favor of the National ID, not to mention the patriot act.

This is a great message for New Hampshire:
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[BucEyedPea]

Saw it. I like that one. He says it factually without demogaguing those issues, which are top issues. (Should have one highlighting his immigration/amnesty stands too.)

I love his positioning here with the Constitutuion. Nicely done too, including the softening of his wrinkles. Pics on sites that don't like him usually feature him under harsher lights which make him bad. I think he could gain a little weight too. It'd give him more mass. But that's just me I guess.

[Adam]

Another good one. Seems like all of the ones where Paul speaks are great. Just curious - is there a place where you are getting all of these from? I'm really curious to see the ones that are running in Iowa. I think Iowa is hugely important for Ron Paul, and probably a tough state to win over as well.

[Taco John]

Http://www.ronpaulforums.com

and

http://www.dailypaul.com

['Hamas' Jenkins]

From a non Paul indoctrinaire:

Didn't the first 10 seconds seem a little stupid?

"Hey, I'm Ron Paul, and before I talk to you about what I really want to talk about, don't forget, I'm against the war and gub'ment."

Do we really need to be reminded about that shit at every turn? That just strikes me as obnoxious, like something a bad salesperson would do.

[Taco John]

I doubt that you would be satisfied with anything Paul did or said.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I doubt that you would be satisfied with anything Paul did or said.

Rather than dismissing me as a contrarian or a troll, perhaps you should actually try to actually refute some of my assertions.

Just a thought. I know, crazy that you might think about what someone who hasn't fallen for the bait hook, line, and sinker might think.

[irishjayhawk]

From a non Paul indoctrinaire:

Didn't the first 10 seconds seem a little stupid?

"Hey, I'm Ron Paul, and before I talk to you about what I really want to talk about, don't forget, I'm against the war and gub'ment."

Do we really need to be reminded about that shit at every turn? That just strikes me as obnoxious, like something a bad salesperson would do.

Well, there are people who haven't seen or heard about him. Those issues make him stand out. Then he talks about his other issues. It's his main platform followed by the other platforms.

Obnoxious and annoying only to people who know him and his policies.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Well, there are people who haven't seen or heard about him. Those issues make him stand out. Then he talks about his other issues. It's his main platform followed by the other platforms.

Obnoxious and annoying only to people who know him and his policies.

With that being the case then, and given the massive amount of coverage given to the NH primary, wouldn't it stand to reason that he may be better off trying to split the "message" over two ads rather than trying to fit 45-50 seconds of material in a 30 second ad?

It was essentially "I'm Ron Paul, and here's everything about my campaign..." The ultimate epitome of the soundbyte society.

[irishjayhawk]

With that being the case then, and given the massive amount of coverage given to the NH primary, wouldn't it stand to reason that he may be better off trying to split the "message" over two ads rather than trying to fit 45-50 seconds of material in a 30 second ad?

It was essentially "I'm Ron Paul, and here's everything about my campaign..." The ultimate epitome of the soundbyte society.

Is it practical to split it? Yes.
Will people see one and not the other? Yes.
So why take the chance?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Is it practical to split it? Yes.
Will people see one and not the other? Yes.
So why take the chance?

Because it's ridiculous to assume that a candidate can get his entire message out in thirty seconds, and it instead comes off like a poor Micro Machines parody :shrug:

More importantly, why was an entire message on the national ID and then cram his bread and butter into it? Anyone who cares about that will doubtlessly already know Paul's positions on other issues. So he could devote the extra time to actually discussing *what* it is, albeit in brief.

Ultimately that "don't forget I'm anti-war" disclaimer at the beginning just paints him even more as a one-issue candidate.

[Taco John]

You seem to have a weak grasp on how messaging works.

[chagrin]

You seem to have a weak grasp on how messaging works.

Taco owned again, nice running away from his valid point. Hamas nailed it and you have nothing to say, haha.

[irishjayhawk]

Because it's ridiculous to assume that a candidate can get his entire message out in thirty seconds, and it instead comes off like a poor Micro Machines parody :shrug:

More importantly, why was an entire message on the national ID and then cram his bread and butter into it? Anyone who cares about that will doubtlessly already know Paul's positions on other issues. So he could devote the extra time to actually discussing *what* it is, albeit in brief.

Ultimately that "don't forget I'm anti-war" disclaimer at the beginning just paints him even more as a one-issue candidate.


Fair point. However, I don't think you're point about him being a one-issue candidate is valid. He must display the anti-war platform because it is his signature platform. The rest of the field has no signature platform save for Rudy and 9/11. He has just as many platforms as the rest, just the one striking difference.

To call him one-issue is to call everyone one issue: the war. Just because he highlights his DIFFERING platform, doesn't mean he's running on ONLY that platform.

[Taco John]

Taco owned again, nice running away from his valid point. Hamas nailed it and you have nothing to say, haha.


*disinterested shrug*

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Fair point. However, I don't think you're point about him being a one-issue candidate is valid. He must display the anti-war platform because it is his signature platform. The rest of the field has no signature platform save for Rudy and 9/11. He has just as many platforms as the rest, just the one striking difference.

To call him one-issue is to call everyone one issue: the war. Just because he highlights his DIFFERING platform, doesn't mean he's running on ONLY that platform.

Then if that is the case, shouldn't he be trying to get that main message out at any and all cost? There is a disconnect between support for withdrawl and support for Ron Paul among Republicans. Obviously, it doesn't have to be a 1:1 ratio, but one would think that given the dramatic unpopularity of the war, that Paul would do better than 2-4% in polling (sorry TJ, I'm not buying the silent majority or cell phone support).

So with that being said, perhaps his anti-war message isn't getting out well enough. He could focus on that more in his ads, or try and devote valuable ad time to something more worthwhile than the wildly unknown National ID program. Instead, he tries to create a hybrid ad of his bread and butter issue and something that no one really cares about at this point.

[StcChief]

Is this like Libya's Momar Quadiffi and his line in the sand

[Taco John]

Then if that is the case, shouldn't he be trying to get that main message out at any and all cost? There is a disconnect between support for withdrawl and support for Ron Paul among Republicans. Obviously, it doesn't have to be a 1:1 ratio, but one would think that given the dramatic unpopularity of the war, that Paul would do better than 2-4% in polling (sorry TJ, I'm not buying the silent majority or cell phone support).

So with that being said, perhaps his anti-war message isn't getting out well enough. He could focus on that more in his ads, or try and devote valuable ad time to something more worthwhile than the wildly unknown National ID program. Instead, he tries to create a hybrid ad of his bread and butter issue and something that no one really cares about at this point.


Like I say, you seem to lack an understanding of messaging... But I could be wrong, so let's find out.

From the polls and studies you've read , what are the top three interests of the voters (particularly the Independants) in New Hampshire?

What do Independants in New Hampshire think about a national ID card?

How do Independants in New Hampshire fall on the war? Are they generally in favor of it, or against it?

[Chiefnj2]

Not a good commerical.