Ron Paul fans upset they cannot get more than 4% of Republicans to support Paul [Archive]

recxjake

11-10-2007, 03:58 PM

Ron Paul fans upset they cannot get more than 4% of Republicans to support Paul

Despite money collected and Ron Paul supporters spamming any sites comments that mentions the kook, Ron Paul cannot get more than 3.8% of Republics to support him, which disqualified him for the Dec. 4, Iowa Republican Party debate it is sponsoring with Fox News.

Poor thangs are having a hissy fit.

The Iowa Republican Party put out an advisory Tuesday setting standards for participation in a Dec. 4 debate it is sponsoring with Fox News. The phone has been ringing off the hook ever since.

That's because the sponsors said participants need to average 5% support among Republicans in recent national or Iowa polls -- and so far, Texas Rep. Ron Paul is one of the candidates not making the cut.

News of the party's decision and how to protest it was spread quickly over the Internet by supporters of the anti-war, anti-tax, anti-abortion libertarian. "We are getting bombarded" with calls and e-mails from Paul's supporters, said GOP spokeswoman Mary Tiffany. She said there were 25 voice mails from angry Paul supporters before the start of business Thursday.

"I'm all about the First Amendment, but at the same time, how is this productive?" she asked. "They need to start calling voters and start door-knocking instead of calling the Republican Party of Iowa."

Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo and California Rep. Duncan Hunter also fall below the 5% threshold at this point. Tiffany said Thursday there had been a few e-mails from Hunter fans and no word from anyone about Tancredo. No campaigns have objected so far, including Paul's, she said.

In Pollster.com's latest averaging of national poll results of Republicans, Paul's support comes in at 2.7%. The website calculates Paul's support among Republicans in Iowa, based on polls there, to be 3.8%.

I have said it before and I will say it again...money means nothing without physical voting support and Ron Paul doesn't and never will have that support.

The kooks can piss and moan all they want, they can stomp their feet and cry like babies but the numbers are consistent on all polls done.

According to RCP averages of all the latest polls by different polling organizations he is down to 3.5% from his 3.6% last week.

As Snooper says: Spin THAT Paulites.

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron-paul-fans-upset-they-cannot-get.html

SNR

11-10-2007, 04:02 PM

irishjayhawk

11-10-2007, 04:04 PM

recxjake

11-10-2007, 04:04 PM

According to Rasmussen, Paul is at 5% right now nationally. I suppose that's what they're bitching about.

They really have no reason. Ron Paul hasn't done shit in Iowa. He's devoting all of his time to New Hampshire. This was to be expected.

Also, for someone who claims to be a fan of Paul, you sure do seem to have a lot of contempt for him, jake

Yet averaging at 3.5%

I have contempt for his wacko supporters. I have been yelled at, cussed at, and been told to **** off... because I was a Rudy Giuliani supporter at the debate at Drake University over the summer.

Ron Paul supporters that I have run into are very mean people. Like the article said, maybe instead of bombarding the RPI with emails and phone calls, they could go work the ground and get their poll numbers up.

recxjake

11-10-2007, 04:05 PM

I don't believe these polling numbers. I see more Paul crowds than ANYONE else. In fact, all of them combined.

ROFL

irishjayhawk

11-10-2007, 04:06 PM

ROFL

Does witnessing things lie?

recxjake

11-10-2007, 04:08 PM

Does witnessing things lie?

Having large events does not mean that poll numbers lie.

Rudy Giuliani had 750 people come to a rally at the University of Iowa... The largest Republican event ever in Iowa City.... yet he polls in lower double digits in Iowa...

Cochise

11-10-2007, 04:09 PM

"They need to start calling voters and start door-knocking instead of calling the Republican Party of Iowa."

No kidding.

Cochise

11-10-2007, 04:11 PM

I don't believe these polling numbers. I see more Paul crowds than ANYONE else. In fact, all of them combined.

I saw a big crowd of Chiefs fans last Sunday. The Chiefs must be going to win the super bowl.

SNR

11-10-2007, 04:13 PM

Yet averaging at 3.5%

I have contempt for his wacko supporters. I have been yelled at, cussed at, and been told to **** off... because I was a Rudy Giuliani supporter at the debate at Drake University over the summer.

Ron Paul supporters that I have run into are very mean people. Like the article said, maybe instead of bombarding the RPI with emails and phone calls, they could go work the ground and get their poll numbers up.Wait, I don't get the article. Is it saying that they've cut it off now? That Ron Paul can't grow from now until December 4th to get into the debate?

As for supporters treating you like crap, let's face it jake, your candidate isn't the best thing for a free America right now. His history as mayor in NY has been met with New Yorkers calling him an authoritarian douchebag. He supports a national ID card and nation building training for the military. Paul's opposition to these things is one of the main reasons people are drawn to the doctor. When they see someone who is in support of things, well... yeah.

Also, it's politics. It's messy, dirty, and slimey. You get that kind of crap from people all over the spectrum.

recxjake

11-10-2007, 04:14 PM

I don't believe these polling numbers. I see more Paul crowds than ANYONE else. In fact, all of them combined.

Here is a huge event:

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irishjayhawk

11-10-2007, 04:14 PM

I saw a big crowd of Chiefs fans last Sunday. The Chiefs must be going to win the super bowl.

I never said he would be president based on his numbers. I said the polling seems off given what I've witnessed.

SNR

11-10-2007, 04:15 PM

I saw a big crowd of Chiefs fans last Sunday. The Chiefs must be going to win the super bowl.Dude, if you're going to come up with a counterexample, at least pick one that works for crying out loud.

Cochise

11-10-2007, 04:15 PM

Wait, I don't get the article. Is it saying that they've cut it off now? That Ron Paul can't grow from now until December 4th to get into the debate?

I thought there was a certain date, like last week or this week, that the candidate had to be able to meet the 5% standard either nationally or in Iowa.

recxjake

11-10-2007, 04:16 PM

Wait, I don't get the article. Is it saying that they've cut it off now? That Ron Paul can't grow from now until December 4th to get into the debate?

As for supporters treating you like crap, let's face it jake, your candidate isn't the best thing for a free America right now. His history as mayor in NY has been met with New Yorkers calling him an authoritarian douchebag. He supports a national ID card and nation building training for the military. Paul's opposition to these things is one of the main reasons people are drawn to the doctor. When they see someone who is in support of things, well... yeah.

Also, it's politics. It's messy, dirty, and slimey. You get that kind of crap from people all over the spectrum.

1. No it has not been cut off yet

2. Rudy does not support a national ID card

3. No other campaign, volunteers or supporters are as rude, annoying, or piss people off like Ron Paul Supporters.... I don't think its a very good way to attract people to a cause.

irishjayhawk

11-10-2007, 04:16 PM

Here is a huge event:

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Hahahha, I lost at the point where he said Rudy can bring the country back together. Mr. 9/11 and nothing else will sew us back together again?

Cochise

11-10-2007, 04:16 PM

Dude, if you're going to come up with a counterexample, at least pick one that works for crying out loud.

That's the point. It makes as much sense as what he said.

"A prevailing opinion in my line of site at one point in time means that it must be the prevailing opinion everywhere"

irishjayhawk

11-10-2007, 04:17 PM

irishjayhawk

11-10-2007, 04:19 PM

That's the point. It makes as much sense as what he said.

"A prevailing opinion in my line of site at one point in time means that it must be the prevailing opinion everywhere"

First, it's not at one point in time. It's over time.

Second, I never said anything about him winning the Presidency. I said things about his polling numbers which is relevant to the "prevailing opinion".

recxjake

11-10-2007, 04:22 PM

Can you give examples of #3?

Go to an event where there are other campaigns around the Ron Paul campaign.

irishjayhawk

11-10-2007, 04:23 PM

Go to an event where there are other campaigns around the Ron Paul campaign.

That's not an example. I'd at least like an example of what is "mean".

SNR

11-10-2007, 04:23 PM

1. No it has not been cut off yet

2. Rudy does not support a national ID card

3. No other campaign, volunteers or supporters are as ruid, annoying, or piss people off like Ron Paul Supporters.... I don't think its a very good way to attract people to a cause.They're more organized, I would say. Obama just held a rally at Luther College awhile ago and the student Ron Paul group was set up outside, completely in their rights. They got nothing but jeers and shouting from the denizens of Obama nuts.

The reason why they appear to be loud, annoying, and morose is that other candidates don't have supporters that organize. They don't post signs, they don't try to get people informed, and they don't pay attention to news coverage of their candidate like Ron Paul supporters do. That's not rude and annoying, it's trying to get your candidate elected, especially when your back is to the wall.

SNR

11-10-2007, 04:25 PM

Go to an event where there are other campaigns around the Ron Paul campaign.Boo friggin hoo. Go organize a Rudy group and do that to another candidate if it pisses you off. It's called the right to public assembly.

recxjake

11-10-2007, 04:27 PM

They're more organized, I would say. Obama just held a rally at Luther College awhile ago and the student Ron Paul group was set up outside, completely in their rights. They got nothing but jeers and shouting from the denizens of Obama nuts.

The reason why they appear to be loud, annoying, and morose is that other candidates don't have supporters that organize. They don't post signs, they don't try to get people informed, and they don't pay attention to news coverage of their candidate like Ron Paul supporters do. That's not rude and annoying, it's trying to get your candidate elected, especially when your back is to the wall.

I'd assume that Ron Paul gets about 4-5,000 votes on Caucus night. You need about 30,000 to win.

I guess we will just have to wait and see.

recxjake

11-10-2007, 04:29 PM

Boo friggin hoo. Go organize a Rudy group and do that to another candidate if it pisses you off. It's called the right to public assembly.

When I've gone to a Rudy event, the workers/volunteers have always been courtious to other campaigns... and people who don't agree with him.

I've seen crazy pro-lifers go right in the face of a Giuliani worker and tell them they are supporting a baby killer and they are going to hell.... the worker didn't go nuts, just said thank you.

banyon

11-10-2007, 04:58 PM

Adam

11-10-2007, 05:11 PM

Ron Paul hasn't done shit in Iowa. He's devoting all of his time to New Hampshire. This was to be expected.

If that's true then I am very disappointed in the Ron Paul campaign. They have more than enough cash to make a run at Iowa and they should. Betting everything on New Hampshire is a losing strategy. People love to point to Buchanan and McCain winning there. Did either of those guys get the nomination? Didn't think so.

Ron Paul should devote even more to Iowa than New Hampshire. Making a big statement in Iowa is what will get people's attention. It's the first view that a lot of people get of the presidential race.

Cochise

11-10-2007, 05:22 PM

If that's true then I am very disappointed in the Ron Paul campaign. They have more than enough cash to make a run at Iowa and they should. Betting everything on New Hampshire is a losing strategy. People love to point to Buchanan and McCain winning there. Did either of those guys get the nomination? Didn't think so.

Ron Paul should devote even more to Iowa than New Hampshire. Making a big statement in Iowa is what will get people's attention. It's the first view that a lot of people get of the presidential race.

I agree... I don't think much of their chances, but if I were them I would be putting the effort into Iowa and not New Hampshire.

recxjake

11-10-2007, 05:28 PM

If that's true then I am very disappointed in the Ron Paul campaign. They have more than enough cash to make a run at Iowa and they should. Betting everything on New Hampshire is a losing strategy. People love to point to Buchanan and McCain winning there. Did either of those guys get the nomination? Didn't think so.

Ron Paul should devote even more to Iowa than New Hampshire. Making a big statement in Iowa is what will get people's attention. It's the first view that a lot of people get of the presidential race.

Ron Paul is tied with Fred Thompson with visits to Iowa... 4

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/ia08/iavisits08r.html

irishjayhawk

11-10-2007, 05:30 PM

When is Iowa's primary? I mean the money bomb just came in....

recxjake

11-10-2007, 05:47 PM

When is Iowa's primary? I mean the money bomb just came in....

Caucus... Jan 3rd.

BucEyedPea

11-10-2007, 06:00 PM

Cool if Rudy wins I vote Democrat, no matter who it is. Just for revenge.

BucEyedPea

11-10-2007, 06:02 PM

Taco John

11-10-2007, 06:02 PM

This must be wrong. Taco assured me that Ron Paul would have no problem getting even 15% in the polls by the time the Presidential debates rolled around. I'm sure there's some mistake as InvinciPaul couldn't be stopped by a 5% polling requirement.

What a liar. I've never made any claims about Ron Paul's poll numbers and where they'd be at any time. I certainly haven't given *you* any assurances about them.

Cochise

11-10-2007, 06:03 PM

On the other hand, Bush Sr won Iowa and lost to RR.

Was Reagan polling nationally at 2.7%?

Taco John

11-10-2007, 06:03 PM

If that's true then I am very disappointed in the Ron Paul campaign. They have more than enough cash to make a run at Iowa and they should. Betting everything on New Hampshire is a losing strategy. People love to point to Buchanan and McCain winning there. Did either of those guys get the nomination? Didn't think so.

Ron Paul should devote even more to Iowa than New Hampshire. Making a big statement in Iowa is what will get people's attention. It's the first view that a lot of people get of the presidential race.

Ron Paul to Hit Iowa Airwaves Next Week (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/11/ron_paul_hits_iowa_airwaves_ne.html)

recxjake

11-10-2007, 06:04 PM

Cool if Rudy wins I vote Democrat, no matter who it is. Just for revenge.

ROFL... my point exactly... what the ****... revenge... you have got to be kidding me.

I will vote for Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, John McCain, Fred Thompson or Mike Huckabee, and will work as hard as I can for them if they are the nominee.

recxjake

11-10-2007, 06:06 PM

Ron Paul to Hit Iowa Airwaves Next Week (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/11/ron_paul_hits_iowa_airwaves_ne.html)

"Can Paul win the GOP nomination? No. But can he force the frontrunners to adjust their strategies to deal with him and his unique appeal? Yes. In fact, that's already happening."

BucEyedPea

11-10-2007, 06:06 PM

BucEyedPea

11-10-2007, 06:10 PM

ROFL... my point exactly... what the ****... revenge... you have got to be kidding me.

I will vote for Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, John McCain, Fred Thompson or Mike Huckabee, and will work as hard as I can for them if they are the nominee.
Just as Cleveland Bronco posted, if the GOP starts with this stuff they lose my vote. There's little difference between the Dems and the remaining candidates of the GOP: war, war, and more war.

BucEyedPea

11-10-2007, 06:11 PM

Was Reagan polling nationally at 2.7%?
That wasn't my point. My point was a candidate can still lose Iowa and win the nomination. They can win NH and still lose it as well.

Taco John

11-10-2007, 06:42 PM

I will vote for Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, John McCain, Fred Thompson or Mike Huckabee, and will work as hard as I can for them if they are the nominee.

No me. I will not support Rudy Giuliani, period. I'd just write in Ron Paul's name or vote for whoever the Libertarian candidate is.

recxjake

11-10-2007, 07:09 PM

No me. I will not support Rudy Giuliani, period. I'd just write in Ron Paul's name or vote for whoever the Libertarian candidate is.

You might as well just vote for Hillary... same difference.

billay

11-10-2007, 07:09 PM

No surprise a Rudy fan gets his FACTS WRONG

Iowa GOP and Ron Paul Campaign Headquarters: Ron Paul is not out of the debate
By Kat | November 8, 2007

LB interviewed the Iowa GOP and Iowa Ron Paul 2008 campaign headquarters. In a live interview on the Soapbox Spectacle, John Zambanini made clear there is no attempt to prevent Dr. Paul from participating in the December 4th debates. Polling of Iowa voters by American Research Group and the Des Moines Register indicated the 5% threshold has been reached. Mr. Zambanini stated that “the campaign would like to remain on friendly terms with the state GOP and any effort to call them in response to claims of Dr. Paul being excluded should be avoided.” Please do not call the Iowa GOP.

RP's numbers going up he's polling over 7% in NH
http://www.maristpoll.marist.edu/NH/NHPZ0711.htm

BucEyedPea

11-10-2007, 07:18 PM

Thank you billay.
Now I won't have to vote for Lady Macbeth.
Nice to see her lead being halved in NH by Obama too.

Taco John

11-10-2007, 07:35 PM

You might as well just vote for Hillary... same difference.

I would rather suffer a Hilllary presidency than a Giuliani presidency. I'm not going to get any of my core issues addressed with either of them, and thus I won't vote for either of them. If my vote for Paul or Libertarian leads to a Hillary presidency, then so be it.

Taco John

11-10-2007, 07:37 PM

This is cool...

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irishjayhawk

11-10-2007, 09:01 PM

This is cool...

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Very good video. I really wanna learn how to make videos like this. Actually, I have a neat idea and a song for one, but my upgrade to Leopard prevents me from making it. Stupid glitch with FCP.

Logical

11-10-2007, 10:45 PM

This is cool...

Really excellent TJ, I really like the background music they chose, it is invigorating and sets the right tone.

Taco John

11-10-2007, 11:03 PM

I can't believe it. I've continuously donated money to a political campaign. I never imagined I'd drop a dime on a politician, let alone the amount that I have donated, and will continue to donate.

Then again, I don't see Ron Paul as a politician. He's more of a statesman, IMO.

Taco John

11-10-2007, 11:07 PM

I wish I knew how to make videos too... I found some software at Costco that looked promising, but I haven't purchased it yet.

listopencil

11-10-2007, 11:16 PM

I would rather suffer a Hilllary presidency than a Giuliani presidency. I'm not going to get any of my core issues addressed with either of them, and thus I won't vote for either of them. If my vote for Paul or Libertarian leads to a Hillary presidency, then so be it.

No kidding. Every election rolls around and I hear the same crap. You have to vote for party X even if you don't like their candidate just to keep party y's candidate out. Screw that. I'm voting for a decent candidate. If some idiot makes it in instead it's the fault of all of those people who voted for the idiot, not mine.

Nightfyre

11-10-2007, 11:21 PM

No kidding. Every election rolls around and I hear the same crap. You have to vote for party X even if you don't like their candidate just to keep party y's candidate out. Screw that. I'm voting for a decent candidate. If some idiot makes it in instead it's the fault of all of those people who voted for the idiot, not mine.
Exactly. People who are on the losing side will always blame the people who voted for Nader, or whoever "stole the most votes away from the legitimate party." That's the exact attitude that keeps us stuck with two shitty candidates election in and election out.

Taco John

11-10-2007, 11:37 PM

No kidding. Every election rolls around and I hear the same crap. You have to vote for party X even if you don't like their candidate just to keep party y's candidate out. Screw that. I'm voting for a decent candidate. If some idiot makes it in instead it's the fault of all of those people who voted for the idiot, not mine.

Amen Brother... I stopped voting for the lesser of two evils years ago so that I could send a message to the good guys out there that there are supporters out here who are willing to go the distance.

Rudy doesn't stand for any of the things that I believe in. I don't know why I'd vote for him just because he happens to be running under the "right" political brand... Especially when you consider he used to be a Democrat.

I do absolutely no service to my nation by voting for Rudy, as far as I'm concerned.

SNR

11-11-2007, 12:09 AM

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BIG_DADDY

11-11-2007, 01:34 AM

Right now the pubes can kiss my ass

BIG_DADDY

11-11-2007, 01:37 AM

The BIG government, anti-gun megalomaniac? NOT.

Taco John

11-11-2007, 04:42 AM

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v136/68/62/38407710/n38407710_33229306_2851.jpg

That rules! I'm going to make it into a shirt.

banyon

11-11-2007, 10:02 AM

What a liar. I've never made any claims about Ron Paul's poll numbers and where they'd be at any time. I certainly haven't given *you* any assurances about them.

... :hmmm:

Search function is your friend:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=172430&page=9&pp=15&highlight=Paul+debates

With the backing of a party and enough widespread grassroots support, Ron Paul is the only candidate who's spot in the post-primary debates is virtually cemented.

Second, why is Ron Paul's post-primary debate position cemented? What supports that claim?

15% isn't going to be a problem. In fact, for all anybody knows, we're already there now.

If Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination, you have to remember that Ross Perot got 18% of the vote as a third-party candidate with a message nowhere near as powerful as Dr. Paul’s. Perot’s third party was something that he had just invented on the spot – the Reform Party. Dr. Paul already has a strong association to an existing political party to funnel his supporters into should his bid for the Republican Nomination fall short. With the backing of a party and enough widespread grassroots support, Ron Paul is the only candidate who's spot in the post-primary debates is virtually cemented. Everyone else still has to get by the primaries. All he has to do is make a decent showing in the primaries and then say yes to the supporters who have donated and will do everything they can to ensure that his name is on the ballot, even if this means accepting the Libertarian party nomination. Let Dr. Paul be coy now, but his campaign is like Plato’s cave, and nobody is going back down. Dr. Paul’s name will be on the ballot come hell or high water.

Taco John

11-12-2007, 03:50 AM

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 04:52 AM

"On behalf of all the skinny guys in America...." LOL! That's appropriate for this race and Paul's.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 10:28 AM

3. No other campaign, volunteers or supporters are as rude, annoying, or piss people off like Ron Paul Supporters.... I don't think its a very good way to attract people to a cause.

You've got to understand that Ron Paul is pulling a lot of his support from the anti-war/anti-establishment riff-raff that normally gravitates to the democrat party if they can spend enough time away from their bongs to actually cast a vote.

Of course, he's also got those white supremacists energized so they could be a part of the problem too.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 10:36 AM

Just as Cleveland Bronco posted, if the GOP starts with this stuff they lose my vote. There's little difference between the Dems and the remaining candidates of the GOP: war, war, and more war.

Starts with what stuff? Setting reasonable standards for participation in the debate and applying it fairly across the board to all candidates?

Cochise

11-12-2007, 10:39 AM

Starts with what stuff? Setting reasonable standards for participation in the debate and applying it fairly across the board to all candidates?

It doesn't mean much to say "they're going to lose my vote", when you had a 0% chance of voting for their nominee anyway.

Taco John

11-12-2007, 12:18 PM

CNN's nationwide poll has Ron Paul at 5%
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/11/05/rel11a.pdf

Rassmussen has him at 6% nationwide:
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Fox News has Ron Paul losing ground, from 2% to 1%:
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/102507_politics_release_web.pdf

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 12:23 PM

Fox News has Ron Paul losing ground, from 2% to 1%:
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/102507_politics_release_web.pdf
ROFL Well, we could have expected as much from The Ministry of Truth!
Brownshirten liars!

patteeu

11-12-2007, 12:48 PM

ROFL Well, we could have expected as much from The Ministry of Truth!
Brownshirten liars!

Why all the references to Nazi's lately? We all learned last week that it's Ron Paul who excites the white supremacists among us.

Cochise

11-12-2007, 01:10 PM

Why all the references to Nazi's lately? We all learned last week that it's Ron Paul who excites the white supremacists among us.

I think the saying going back to the usenet days was that when someone finally called someone else a nazi or compared them to hitler, you knew the argument was lost.

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 02:07 PM

I think the saying going back to the usenet days was that when someone finally called someone else a nazi or compared them to hitler, you knew the argument was lost.

Godwin’s Law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:[2][3]
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 02:10 PM

I called Hannity and Levin that, neither of you, because they were attempting to brownshirt dissent. It is no different than what was done in Germany in the 1930's. ( or even by Lincoln who Hitler admired) So it's accurate. It's not accurate for Paul. There's the difference. You can spin and defend it all you want though.

Alec R

11-12-2007, 02:14 PM

I wish I knew how to make videos too... I found some software at Costco that looked promising, but I haven't purchased it yet.
Pinnacle Studio 11.

It makes great videos.

Maybe you can make a video of all the idiotic things you have said over the past 6 years. It'd be a long video, but quite entertaining to the rest of us.

Cochise

11-12-2007, 02:15 PM

Godwin’s Law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

ROFL there it is.

Eventually someone will run out of ammunition and have to break the glass.

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 02:28 PM

wiki? ROFL

patteeu

11-12-2007, 02:34 PM

wiki? ROFL

:spock: You've never heard of Godwin's Law? Wiki is a great source for noncontroversial topics.

Fishpicker

11-12-2007, 02:43 PM

Godwin’s Law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

I'm glad you brought it up. I thought this was pretty funny.

from: Tom Roesser (http://www.tomroeser.com/blogs/blogview.asp?blogID=24188)

...You can say all you want about Hitler…monomaniac, racist, genocidal tyrant…but he and his people could really run a rally. From the Munich beer hall putsch through to the end of his regime he was unexcelled. Let me say the manipulation of an already excitable, juvenile, impressionable and deliriously passionate youth audience by the Ron Paul people was unexcelled-at least among those I have observed in this country. Hitler’s meetings would involve people packed like sardines in a room that did not allow much area for expansion. That was the case here. The storm troopers would then lead a preparatory with a brief exultation by one not as articulate as the one who was to come later. That happened, too, although the deputy campaign manager and campaign managers were no slouches. Following the warm-up, Hitler’s people ran a documentary by Leni Riefenstahl, the blonde goddess who dramatized Hitler youth…who was in fact probably the greatest film documentarian at that time in the world. When the documentary…showing bronzed athletes swearing allegiance to the Fuhrer and wide-eyed young people marching joyously as far as the eye could see in perfect precision…a groundswell of music would conclude, lights would go up and someone would shout: “Heil Hitler!” and in he would come. The place would go delirious.

Leni Riefenstahl has gone to her reward and was not available-but in her place was an outstandingly produced video that featured Ron Paul saying only one sentence-this taken from the first Republican debate. “My name is Ron Paul and I am here to defend the Constitution of the United States!” Then the film’s half hour is devoted to panning crowds which are exactly like the crowd packed in the Hyatt-Regency auditorium: bearded, shaggy, pony-tailed, inarticulate, frenetic, unconcerned with ideas. The identification of those in the video with the crowd in the auditorium was perfect. The crowd was alternatively transfixed seeing almost identical representatives of themselves and, in effect, cheered themselves in a cacophony of the Imperial Self. Here was a crowd passionately wanting to have…”legalized freedom”…i. e. the freedom to smoke whatever it wished from marijuana to crack cocaine…pay no taxes…have no war…have no hassle…and not be bothered by restrictions. Were Riefenstahl around, she would have enthusiastically approved the video.

And when the video ended, a voice called out: “Ladies and gentlemen! Dr. R-o-n P-a-u-l !” And the orgy of self-indulgence exploded into an orgasm. He moved into the room swiftly and a forest of hands arose in salutes and waves--you can make of that what you will.

Cochise

11-12-2007, 02:54 PM

:spock: You've never heard of Godwin's Law? Wiki is a great source for noncontroversial topics.

Your Straussian source is presenting a flawed definition of Godwin's Law. Godwin's Law actually deals with neocon lies and the lying neocon liars that tell them. It doesn't surprise me that you'd lie about what Godwin's law really is. Just walk around the street and ask some people if you don't believe me. I talk to people all the time and people say Godwin's law is nothing like what you say it is. Brownshirt.

Nightfyre

11-12-2007, 02:56 PM

I'm glad you brought it up. I thought this was pretty funny.

from: Tom Roesser (http://www.tomroeser.com/blogs/blogview.asp?blogID=24188)

...You can say all you want about Hitler…monomaniac, racist, genocidal tyrant…but he and his people could really run a rally. From the Munich beer hall putsch through to the end of his regime he was unexcelled. Let me say the manipulation of an already excitable, juvenile, impressionable and deliriously passionate youth audience by the Ron Paul people was unexcelled-at least among those I have observed in this country. Hitler’s meetings would involve people packed like sardines in a room that did not allow much area for expansion. That was the case here. The storm troopers would then lead a preparatory with a brief exultation by one not as articulate as the one who was to come later. That happened, too, although the deputy campaign manager and campaign managers were no slouches. Following the warm-up, Hitler’s people ran a documentary by Leni Riefenstahl, the blonde goddess who dramatized Hitler youth…who was in fact probably the greatest film documentarian at that time in the world. When the documentary…showing bronzed athletes swearing allegiance to the Fuhrer and wide-eyed young people marching joyously as far as the eye could see in perfect precision…a groundswell of music would conclude, lights would go up and someone would shout: “Heil Hitler!” and in he would come. The place would go delirious.

Leni Riefenstahl has gone to her reward and was not available-but in her place was an outstandingly produced video that featured Ron Paul saying only one sentence-this taken from the first Republican debate. “My name is Ron Paul and I am here to defend the Constitution of the United States!” Then the film’s half hour is devoted to panning crowds which are exactly like the crowd packed in the Hyatt-Regency auditorium: bearded, shaggy, pony-tailed, inarticulate, frenetic, unconcerned with ideas. The identification of those in the video with the crowd in the auditorium was perfect. The crowd was alternatively transfixed seeing almost identical representatives of themselves and, in effect, cheered themselves in a cacophony of the Imperial Self. Here was a crowd passionately wanting to have…”legalized freedom”…i. e. the freedom to smoke whatever it wished from marijuana to crack cocaine…pay no taxes…have no war…have no hassle…and not be bothered by restrictions. Were Riefenstahl around, she would have enthusiastically approved the video.

And when the video ended, a voice called out: “Ladies and gentlemen! Dr. R-o-n P-a-u-l !” And the orgy of self-indulgence exploded into an orgasm. He moved into the room swiftly and a forest of hands arose in salutes and waves--you can make of that what you will.

This article would work if only fascism wasn't the exact OPPOSITE of libertarianism.