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Taco John

11-12-2007, 02:27 AM

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/11/0949/1624

Last night at Book Revue in Huntington, Sean Hannity's program director Phil Boyce (he of Promise Keepers, the wives submit or get hit group of the early 1990s) tried to have me arrested because he didn't like the question he thought I was going to ask Sean Hannity. Boyce called the cops on his cell phone, two policemen showed up, asked me to come with them, and a couple of hundred of Hannity sycophants cheered, clapped, and a few shouted arrest him as I walked toward the bookstore exit at the direction of the police officers. Full details will follow after the flip but the key points to remember are that no personnel of the book store ever asked me to leave while in the store, I behaved superbly and remained calm and cool at all times, and of course I committed no crimes.
The place was packed with about 1500 people. (still less than 1/10 of 1% of the LI population) This is Sean Hannity's hometown area, his base, etc... plus he had his turd blossom Mark Levin with him.

About 5 mins after arriving at the bookstore, one of the managers (I'm withholding his name, he did tell me) came over to me and said that you must be the "big guy" and that he and the staff read what I posted on DK yesterday and that they really appreciated it. He also told me that NOT ONE staff member wants "these people here." He said I was welcome at the store and again was appreciative of my level headed advice for any other people that would show up. I've been there many times before, I was easily recognizable.

Hannity spoke a little and then the Detestable One, Mark Levin, spoke about his dog book. I positioned myself to be in the path as he exited from his speaking spot to his book signing spot. As he came by I offered him recruitment forms for the military and asked him, "Hey Mark would you like to join the military?' He said, "Oh I know you" He then calls me a dope and says, "I'll go if you go." So I took him up on it. I said, "Make you a deal, if we can have it arranged that we get sent to Afghanistan only and pursue Osama Bin Laden, I'll go if you are going with me." (I would honor this offer.) He got irate not thinking that I would actually take him up on that offer. I implored him to go sign up with me.

While standing in the audience I got to hear the insanitized yell, scream, insult, show their insanity, etc... According to the insanitized Democrats are Islamocrats, Clinton sold nukes to China, there were WMDS found in Iraq, I'm a communist, Bill Clinton is a traitor and scum, Bush has been great for the economy, etc... Also, one guy asked me if I had parents and said that they made a mistake by having me. (How pro-life) Other insults hurled my way included calling me dumber than a rock, a douche, etc... None of these responses were reciprocated in kind. Instead, I would give jovial responses like "Brilliant of you sir, how very pro life" or "Yep I have an IQ of 70, 2 + 2 = 7," etc...

As I moved closer on the lines toward Hannity who was signing autographs, Phil Boyce came over. Instead of approaching me Phil Boyce (who is a good 6 ft 5 and bigger than me who is 6 ft 3 and not skinny) approached a conservative wingnut near me and said, "Are you the guy who asked Mark Levin if he was going to join the military? Boyce was in his face and the guy is denying it so I said, "I think you mean me. I'm the guy who asked Mark that question." At the time Phil Boyce was wearing a Mark Levin stalker fan club T Shirt. Boyce had a beard.

Boyce gets in my face and says to me, "You're not asking Sean Hannity that question." I said, "You're right I think I have another question for him." Boyce said, "Well what it is." I said, "I have an idea but I may change my mind by the time I get up front so I don't know yet." Boyce responds, "Well leave the store or I'll have you arrested." I responded, "I have a right to be here. The manager said I could be here. You don't work for the store so you have no authority to tell me to leave." I also said that if somebody who works for the store tells me to leave I will gladly do so and invited him to bring over the owner or manager of the store if that's what he wanted.

Boyce then proceeded to call the cops on his cell phone. (Not a wise move) Apparently he told the cops that I was "causing a disturbance" and "refused to leave private property." Boyce said that the cops are coming to arrest you and I said, "Ok if they do I'll sue you." Boyce responded, "I don't care, I have lawyers."

A few minutes later two police officers arrived, came up to me, and said, "Can I speak to you for a moment?" I said, "sure." They asked, "What's the problem?" I said, "I have no problem. I'm here at an event and nobody from the bookstore has ever asked me to leave." They then said to "come with us" and as I started walking the Hannity sycophants cheered, clapped, and a few shouted "arrest him." Hannity sat there smirking with Boyce at his side.

The cops went outside with me, asked for my license, and spoke with me. They even asked me if I had ever been arrested. I told them that I've been here over 2 hours, behaved all the time, mentioned the anecdote with the manager, and that Boyce and Hannity want me kicked out because they don't like my questions.

The cops got the owner of the store to come out. The owner confirmed that I caused no problems nor any disturbances despite Boyce's claims to the contrary and that he the owner had security personnel around the store at all times and that the security was instructed to notify him or the police if anybody was causing a problem and that none of them did. (This is a key little fact.) The owner and I agreed at that point that there's no need for me to come back in the store tonight and I suggested just say you don't want me back tonight and I have to oblige. The owner followed my lead and the cop just asked me if I was getting out of here and I said I'll be out of town in 3 minutes. The officer wished me a good night. The Hannity onlookers who came outside were pissed that I was NOT arrested. However I was falsely imprisoned for a few minutes and slandered because of Phil Boyce, who had actual or apparent authority on behalf of Sean Hannity and/or WABC Radio.

Some additional thoughts.

First, there are instances where cops inject their personal biases, lose control, lie, etc... everyday in this country. In this instance the two Suffolk County police officers did a TERRIFIC and PROFESSIONAL job. They did their due diligence, kept their calm, ascertained the facts, figured out what was going on, and responded lawfully and professionally at all times.

Second, there is something very disturbing about people who would cheer and clap to have you arrested simply because they don't like your politics. But that's Hannity's America, it sure as hell ain't mine.

Third, I am contemplating legal action against Phil Boyce and those entities responsible for Boyce's behavior. I want to do further research before deciding what to do.

Fourth, these cowards like Hannity, Boyce, and Levin can't handle debate and dissent. They operate in a world where they manipulate images, take sound bites out of context, cut people's mikes, keep informed voices off the airwaves, etc...

Fifth, the stupidity of these people like Phil Boyce amazes me. One, if you wanted somebody to leave, you probably could have gotten the store security or the store owner to get someone to leave. Two, you are a moron for calling the police on your own cell phone. If you're going to do that, you should have used a public store phone so as not to have the call traced to your records. Three, you'd be better served by having waited for me to ask whatever question I would have asked up close before taking action. Not too smart, pal.

Finally, this story needs to be told notwithstanding that I'm the subject matter of the story. The idea that leading conservative media voices would try to arrest a person simply over a question is appalling and unAmerican.

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 02:32 AM

I saw that. No wonder Fox supports Il Duce! Levin too. Some of these NeoCons have serious abuse of power issues.

Taco John

11-12-2007, 02:36 AM

These types are why I'd rather see Hillary win than Rudy. I'd just as soon both of them fall into a hole that takes them to China permanently. But I don't care to have these fascist types in government control.

Iowanian

11-12-2007, 08:14 AM

So a whining douche, who had no motive other than to be a douchebag for to a radio personality's book signing has significant political implications?

Stretch armstrong doesn't make the reaches you do taco...

Its unfortunate there is no accompanying Youtube video of him getting the tazer and crying this morning. He already threatened the lawsuit(whaaaaaaah), he might as well have been convulsing on the ground in a puddle of his own piddle for our entertainment.

Taco John

11-12-2007, 09:15 AM

What's the reach again? Whatever you think of his motivation, it's no stretch to call these folks fascist for their attitudes. If this whining douche is brave enough to wait in line for two hours with these fascist douches, why can't he ask his question?

noa

11-12-2007, 09:20 AM

Pathetic

Pitt Gorilla

11-12-2007, 09:54 AM

Iowanian

11-12-2007, 09:54 AM

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 09:58 AM

It sounds like the property owner had no problem with him being there. Why should he be removed?
That's exactly right!
Zero respect for private property.

Cochise

11-12-2007, 10:08 AM

Some people need lives.

Adept Havelock

11-12-2007, 10:09 AM

It sounds like the property owner had no problem with him being there. Why should he be removed?

Good point. Shame there's no youtube video though.

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 10:18 AM

It sounds like the property owner had no problem with him being there. Why should he be removed?

What about the event sponsor? Do they have no say?

irishjayhawk

11-12-2007, 10:21 AM

It seems to me the dipshit is getting all of the free speech and press he wanted....

This was about nothing more than some whining lefty nutjob hoping to get a reaction. He wins.

He wins the "douche of the day" award at least.

Is there ever a case where free speech has been infringed upon that isn't involving someone who's a lunatic, press whore, dipshit, attention seeking douche bag, or the like?

Taco John

11-12-2007, 10:22 AM

What about the event sponsor? Do they have no say?

...in who gets to patiently wait in line and ask a question? Sure they do. And if they have fascist tendancies, they can call the cops to throw people out who aren't lobbing softballs.

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 10:26 AM

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 10:26 AM

...in who gets to patiently wait in line and ask a question? Sure they do. And if they have fascist tendancies, they can call the cops to throw people out who aren't lobbing softballs.

Show up acting like a douche and you’ll get treated like one. How is that surprising?
Also, how is what we agree as the event sponsors "choice" illegal?

Fishpicker

11-12-2007, 10:30 AM

Show up acting like a douche and you’ll get treated like one. How is that surprising?
Also, how is what we agree as the event sponsors "choice" illegal?

false police reports are illegal.

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 10:34 AM

false police reports are illegal.

True, but who filed a false report?

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 10:35 AM

false police reports are illegal.
:thumb:

Not to NeoCons. On the other hand being a douche is a matter of personal opinion. To some disagreeing with someone's pov is often taken for being a douche in their own minds. It certainly is not illegal strictly speaking.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 10:36 AM

The event sponsor? ROFL

The event sponsor is on private property too. I think it's those who want to promote their books that need the store owner more. I mean who contacts who on such an event? I would think the owner needs his customers a lot more than one book author. The owner said the guy could be there.

What a bunch of brownshirts Scammity-Shammity and Levine are.

I should call one of my friends who does PR for authors to ask.

Even according to the protester's own account, the store owner had the opportunity to invite the protester back in and tell his guests (i.e. the Hannity crew) that they'd have to deal with it. Instead, he asked the protester to leave. Whatever happened to respect for property rights?

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 10:36 AM

:thumb:

Not to NeoCons. On the other hand since when is being a douche is a matter of personal opinion. It certainly is not illegal strictly speaking.

What about NeoCon demagogues?
And I’ll ask you the same question, who filed a false report?

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 10:37 AM

Did you say something? *shrug*

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 10:39 AM

Did you say something? *shrug*

:LOL: How brave of you. :thumb:

patteeu

11-12-2007, 10:39 AM

false police reports are illegal.

There is no false police report here. The complaint appears to be pretty subjective.

Chiefnj2

11-12-2007, 10:43 AM

Too bad the police had to be involved because Hannity's servants got their panties in a wad.

plbrdude

11-12-2007, 10:49 AM

shaun hannity reminds me of rich, arrogant crybaby who always has to have his way. i have noticed when i hear his show on radio anyone w/a valid point contrary to his is always cut off by his interuptions.

Cochise

11-12-2007, 10:50 AM

Johann Strauss is to blame for this!1

patteeu

11-12-2007, 10:55 AM

Too bad the police had to be involved because Hannity's servants got their panties in a wad.

Yeah. It's also too bad this KosNut had to be involved in a Levin book signing. Why not leave Hannity, Levin and their fans alone to enjoy their event? This wasn't a political event. In fact, the book isn't even a political book.

Attending an event like this with the intention of disrupting it or embarrassing the participants is unseemly IMO. It pales by comparison, of course, but it's not completely dissimilar in character to the way the Phelps clan protests the funerals of fallen soldiers.

Chiefnj2

11-12-2007, 11:09 AM

Yeah. It's also too bad this KosNut had to be involved in a Levin book signing. Why not leave Hannity, Levin and their fans alone to enjoy their event? This wasn't a political event. In fact, the book isn't even a political book.

Attending an event like this with the intention of disrupting it or embarrassing the participants is unseemly IMO. It pales by comparison, of course, but it's not completely dissimilar in character to the way the Phelps clan protests the funerals of fallen soldiers.

He didn't disrupt the event.

We don't know if Hannity would have been embarrassed or not since they were too afraid to let the guy speak.

Comparing a book signing to a funeral service? Please, you can do better than that in your defense of everything right wing.

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 11:12 AM

"KosNut"? LMAO That sounds like something jack-booted-thug Bill O'Reilly would say.

Taco John

11-12-2007, 11:13 AM

Attending an event like this with the intention of disrupting it or embarrassing the participants is unseemly IMO. It pales by comparison, of course, but it's not completely dissimilar in character to the way the Phelps clan protests the funerals of fallen soldiers.

They should have just asked for an allegiance oath at the door, like Bush does.

Cochise

11-12-2007, 11:13 AM

He didn't disrupt the event.

We don't know if Hannity would have been embarrassed or not since they were too afraid to let the guy speak.

Comparing a book signing to a funeral service? Please, you can do better than that in your defense of everything right wing.

They have a right to spend PR capital however they want and eject anyone.

If this event were intended to be a debate where hostilities are exchanged between leftist blogonuts and Sean Hannity, then it would be unseemly to kick someone out for participating in the event along its intended purpose.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 11:14 AM

He didn't disrupt the event.

We don't know if Hannity would have been embarrassed or not since they were too afraid to let the guy speak.

Comparing a book signing to a funeral service? Please, you can do better than that in your defense of everything right wing.

Like I said, his intention was to disrupt it or to embarrass the participants. That he was cut off at the pass before accomplishing his goal doesn't change this. Why do you defend this kind of (intended) behavior?

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 11:16 AM

They have a right to spend PR capital however they want and eject anyone.
How so? Back this up!

They need to be upfront about what behavior is deemed acceptable then and come to agreement with the owners. Ultimately, it's up to the owner until the guy breaks a law.

If this event were intended to be a debate where hostilities are exchanged between leftist blogonuts and Sean Hannity, then it would be unseemly to kick someone out for participating in the event along its intended purpose.

Who's right is this to decide?

patteeu

11-12-2007, 11:16 AM

"KosNut"? LMAO That sounds like something jack-booted-thug Bill O'Reilly would say.

I admit, it's not nearly as sophisticated as calling him a "Troytskyite" or "Straussian".

patteeu

11-12-2007, 11:17 AM

They should have just asked for an allegiance oath at the door, like Bush does.

Allegiance to what? Dog loving? No cat lovers allowed?

patteeu

11-12-2007, 11:18 AM

How so? Back this up!

They need to be upfront about what behavior is deemed acceptable then and come to agreement with the owners. Ultimately, it's up to the owner until the guy breaks a law.

Who's right is this to decide?

The owner sided with Hannity and Levin.

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 11:21 AM

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 11:21 AM

The owner sided with Hannity and Levin.

Did you say something? :shrug:

;)

Chiefnj2

11-12-2007, 11:21 AM

Like I said, his intention was to disrupt it or to embarrass the participants. That he was cut off at the pass before accomplishing his goal doesn't change this. Why do you defend this kind of (intended) behavior?

You are wrong. His intention was not to disrupt the event as the guy did nothing to disrupt it. Hannity's serfs disrupted the event by accosting the wrong guy in line. It would have been funny if the guy who wrote the blog kept quiet and watched some Hannity fan get escorted out by the police.

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 11:22 AM

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 11:25 AM

Hydrae

11-12-2007, 11:27 AM

True, but who filed a false report?

From what I read there probably was no report at all. But I believe there could be issues with someone calling the cops to report a disturbance that is not occurring.

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 11:28 AM

From what I read there probably was no report at all. But I believe there could be issues with someone calling the cops to report a disturbance that is not occurring.
I see that as a type of report. An oral one that is also false.

report relate or tell about

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/report

Chiefnj2

11-12-2007, 11:36 AM

He started in with the “turd blossom Levin” didn’t he?
And how did all the other "surfs" in the crowd know to cheer his being escorted out if he’d been just quietly waiting his turn?

The "turd blossom" appears to be a phrase used in the blog, not face-to-face. The others knew to cheer when the queen started confronting her minions on line questioning the peasants as to who had the audacity to possibly look the king in the eye.

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 11:37 AM

From what I read there probably was no report at all. But I believe there could be issues with someone calling the cops to report a disturbance that is not occurring.

That’s the closest to a legitimate gripe I’ve seen anyone post yet.
But like I posted, the guy did start in with the “turd blossom Levin” so it’s not like the guy was just quietly minding his own business.

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 11:41 AM

The "turd blossom" appears to be a phrase used in the blog, not face-to-face.

It’s an accurate description, maybe he should’ve used it face to face.

The others knew to cheer when the queen started confronting her minions on line questioning the peasants as to who had the audacity to possibly look the king in the eye.

Victimized much? The guy pretty much admits he’s there for a confrontation. He just got headed off before he could do much but bitch about it.

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 11:46 AM

"serfs" ? There's a saying fellow travelors (fascists) think alike. Chickenhawks like Shammity and Levin, and their fellow groupies at the event lack balls. Or cannot confront a dissenting view without marginalizing the messenger.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 11:50 AM

The owner did not side with Shammity and Levin.
The supposed "douchebag" told him at the tail end with the cops to tell him to leave. He was helping the store owner out of a difficult scene who said at the beginning he could stay. I think that was considerate of said "douchebag." Far more gracious than owner's Brownshirt guests.

Sorry Buc, when it mattered most, the owner sided with Hannity and Levin rather than inviting the guy to come back inside. And this is according to the account provided by the KosNut.

Cochise

11-12-2007, 11:54 AM

How so? Back this up!

Ignoring the irony of you asking me for proof of something... and that if you'd read you would see that the owner was on their side, I don't feel the need to back anything up.

Why would I ever? If I come up with a source you'll call them neocon liars. Or you'll obfuscate what they say, or redefine every term in every sentence they use. Engaging in any kind of discourse in BEP's bizarro world where down is up and no words mean what they mean in the real world, is about as productive as reading to my dog. You have a similar chance of anything getting through. You will get the same old bark or quizzical look in response no matter if you read Shakespeare or junk mail.

Brock

11-12-2007, 11:59 AM

Promise Keepers, the wives submit or get hit group of the early 1990s

Wow, very stupid.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 12:06 PM

You are wrong. His intention was not to disrupt the event as the guy did nothing to disrupt it. Hannity's serfs disrupted the event by accosting the wrong guy in line. It would have been funny if the guy who wrote the blog kept quiet and watched some Hannity fan get escorted out by the police.

No, I'm not wrong. What on Earth do you think he was doing there? Do you think he went there to get Levin's book signed or to hear Levin or Hannity speak? No, of course not. He's very clear about why he was there. Here is his blog entry attempting to coordinate the KosNutty meetup:

The place is Book Revue - a family owned bookstore. The owners are decent people, apolitical, and fair. They host book signers of all political stripes. Be nice to them.

It is located on Route 110 which is 1 block north of northern blvd (rte 25A) If going by car, take the LIE to exit 49 north and go 8 miles north or the northern state parkway to exit 40 north and go 7 miles north. If going by train, take the LIRR to the Huntington train station and then travel 2 miles north on 110. (train station is at 110)

Purpose - Hannity is the defacto media spokesman of the Republican Party or a close 2nd to Rush Limbaugh. Luckily for us he's a moron, dishonest, and a creep. He is actually helping turn America blue for us for the next 40 years.

Rules of Engagement

1. Behave. Don't curse, don't yell, don't initiate physical contact. There are going to be a few Hannity loving skinheads and nazis in their "beloved audience" of "great Americans." Let them get arrested, not you. Defend yourself only if necessary.

2. Please bring a camcorder or video. Filming these people would be great.

3. If you could, bring military recruitment forms. When you see a Hannity supporter under the age of 42, volunteer to fill out the forms for him or her.

4. Do not enter the store in groups larger than 4. Most of you should be incognito.

5. Purchase something. Buy a cup of coffee so you can claim to be a legit customer. Have 1 book ready to purchase. The last thing the owners want is a lawsuit for throwing well behaved people out of a public place because of their political views.

6. Pepper Hannity with questions. Ask why he supported Ted Nugent's rants about killing Hillary and Obama. Do your research ahead of time. (Coulter, Pat Robertson, etc...)

7. Silently turn your back on Hannity and Levin when they speak to the crowd. Let them preach to our asses and backsides.

He clearly wants to embarrass the people in attendance with his military recruitment form plan at a minimum and it seems pretty obvious to me that he'd love nothing more than to provoke a reaction from the crowd that would look good (meaning bad for Hannity) on video.

Don't be absurd by saying he didn't have any ill intentions.

Chiefnj2

11-12-2007, 12:09 PM

No, I'm not wrong. What on Earth do you think he was doing there? Do you think he went there to get Levin's book signed or to hear Levin or Hannity speak? No, of course not. He's very clear about why he was there. Here is his blog entry attempting to coordinate the KosNutty meetup:

He clearly wants to embarrass the people in attendance with his military recruitment form plan at a minimum and it seems pretty obvious to me that he'd love nothing more than to provoke a reaction from the crowd that would look good (meaning bad for Hannity) on video.

Don't be absurd by saying he didn't have any ill intentions.

He didn't follow through on any of that. He didn't disrupt anything. Why should someone be embarassed about the military recruitment issue if they support the war and are of age to serve?

Cochise

11-12-2007, 12:13 PM

He didn't follow through on any of that. He didn't disrupt anything. Why should someone be embarassed about the military recruitment issue if they support the war and are of age to serve?

Because the implication that you have to be participating in something to support it is idiotic.

go bowe

11-12-2007, 12:13 PM

whch language does your dog like?

is english his second language?

my dog speaks a little chinese every now and then...

Cochise

11-12-2007, 12:14 PM

whch language does your dog like?

is english his second language?

my dog speaks a little chinese every now and then...

I read him some BEP posts, he just stuck his head under the couch.

Adept Havelock

11-12-2007, 12:18 PM

The idea that leading conservative media voices would try to arrest a person simply over a question is appalling and unAmerican.

The guy may have been there to stir some s**t, but IMO there is a lot of truth to this last line.

Taco John

11-12-2007, 12:22 PM

Because the implication that you have to be participating in something to support it is idiotic.

Why?

Adept Havelock

11-12-2007, 12:27 PM

Why?

Speaking for myself, here's an example why:

I support a Pro-Choice approach to the abortion issue.

Having had or aborted a child myself is in no way a participatory requirement for that support.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 12:27 PM

He didn't follow through on any of that. He didn't disrupt anything. Why should someone be embarassed about the military recruitment issue if they support the war and are of age to serve?

He *intended* to do it. I didn't say he actually pulled it off. In fact, his mission appears to have been an utter failure.

Chiefnj2

11-12-2007, 12:30 PM

He *intended* to do it. I didn't say he actually pulled it off. In fact, his mission appears to have been an utter failure.

Except to expose Hannity and his handlers as the hyprocritical cowards that they are.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 12:33 PM

The guy may have been there to stir some s**t, but IMO there is a lot of truth to this last line.

But of course, it's also not based on a truthful premise. He wasn't threatened with arrest because he wanted to ask a question. He was told to leave or face possible arrest by someone who appeared to believe he'd have the store owner backing him (which in the end, of course, he did).

Chief Faithful

11-12-2007, 12:34 PM

He admits he was there to cause a disturbance, positions himself to bloc Levin so he can give him grief, and shouts back smart ass remarks to people working up the crowd. This all by his own account, which is only from his I'm innocent perspective. At the least by his own admission the guy was inciting the crowd.

This was not a political event it was about Levin's new book on dogs with Hannity helping his friend in the promotion effort. In the end even the owner thought it best the guy depart. The guy knew what he was doing and so did the owner.

I don't see any denial of speech only a story by a guy who tried to incite a crowd for a story in his blog only he failed. The guy specifically picked this event to cause trouble he was not there to buy Levin's book about dogs. It looks to me that Boyce showed good descretion by calling the police and letting them deal with the issue.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 12:34 PM

Except to expose Hannity and his handlers as the hyprocritical cowards that they are.

Some exposure! Ha.

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 12:37 PM

Except to expose Hannity and his handlers as the hyprocritical cowards that they are.

Even if this is accepted as the truth, how is that illegal?

Cochise

11-12-2007, 12:38 PM

Why?

I don't know how to use simpler English.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 12:39 PM

It looks to me that Boyced showed good descretion by calling the police and letting them deal with the issue.

Very good point. The event participants handled this in a very civilized manner and when the police and the owner considered the facts, they sent the KosNut on his way. And that's despite the fact, as recited by KosNut, that "one of the managers" had indicated that the entire staff of the store was politically sympathetic to KosNut.

go bowe

11-12-2007, 12:43 PM

I read him some BEP posts, he just stuck his head under the couch.animal cruelty!!

animal abuse!!

somebody call the cops!!

no dog should ever be subjected to crap like that...

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 12:44 PM

And that's despite the fact, as recited by KosNut, that "one of the managers" had indicated that the entire staff of the store was politically sympathetic to KosNut.

Well, according to the KosNut’s account of the event. ;)

Taco John

11-12-2007, 12:46 PM

Speaking for myself, here's an example why:

I support a Pro-Choice approach to the abortion issue.

Having had or aborted a child myself is in no way a participatory requirement for that support.

Terrible analogy. Doesn't make a lick of sense. But I'll play along with it.

How do you personally <b>support</b> a pro-choice approach to abortion? Perhaps you don't actually support a pro-choice approach to abortion, and are just in favor of it. Or perhaps, you actually *do* support it by taking action *to* support it.

Taco John

11-12-2007, 12:46 PM

I don't know how to use simpler English.

That's not an answer to the question.

Taco John

11-12-2007, 12:48 PM

Here is your original statement:

Because the implication that you have to be participating in something to support it is idiotic.

I understand your statement quite clearly. What I don't I don't understand is the "why" part.

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 12:52 PM

He clearly wants to embarrass the people in attendance with his military recruitment form plan at a minimum and it seems pretty obvious to me that he'd love nothing more than to provoke a reaction from the crowd that would look good (meaning bad for Hannity) on video.
That's a crime worthy of arrest? I think these guys sound touchy and will arrest at the drop of a hat.

Don't be absurd by saying he didn't have any ill intentions.
Well, I did hear the Bushies were trying to pass "thought crime" legislation.
Think it was last week. Maybe congress wanted it too. This seems to be what you're suggesting. I guess you support that?

Gee, as a conservative I used to go out "liberal bashing" with some conservative friends by going to such talks on occasion,so we could ask a controversial question and I was never thrown out. What's this country coming to? Oh, yeah, I forgot, it's the party of Lincoln. :p

patteeu

11-12-2007, 12:52 PM

Terrible analogy. Doesn't make a lick of sense. But I'll play along with it.

How do you personally <b>support</b> a pro-choice approach to abortion? Perhaps you don't actually support a pro-choice approach to abortion, and are just in favor of it. Or perhaps, you actually *do* support it by taking action *to* support it.

When Ron Paul takes office in 2009 and proceeds to implement his neo-isolationist turtle impression, are you going to join the Army and man a border position or does this thinking only pertain when you disagree with the policy?

Cochise

11-12-2007, 12:53 PM

I understand your statement quite clearly. What I don't I don't understand is the "why" part.

Well then, should someone be allowed to support abortion without being willing to perform abortions themselves? I mean, if they like it so much, shouldn't they be willing to dismember a couple of fetuses to prove it?

patteeu

11-12-2007, 12:53 PM

That's a crime worthy of arrest. I think these guys sound touchy and will arrest at the drop of a hat.

Well, I did hear the Bushies were trying to pass "thought crime" legislation.
I guess you support that?

What are you talking about? I didn't say any of that was a crime, nor has anyone else.

Adept Havelock

11-12-2007, 12:58 PM

But of course, it's also not based on a truthful premise. He wasn't threatened with arrest because he wanted to ask a question. He was told to leave or face possible arrest by someone who appeared to believe he'd have the store owner backing him (which in the end, of course, he did).

He was threatened by the Hannity spokesperson with arrest.

From the OP Boyce responds, "Well leave the store or I'll have you arrested."

I'm not sure how that's anything but threatening someone without arrest, likely because I don't have the "benefit" of being trained as a shyster. :shrug:

When did he threaten him with this? After he stated to the shills spokesperson he wanted to ask a question. It's a perfectly truthful premise.

Also, it appears that the "Kosnut" was the one who suggested to the store owner the owner ask him to leave.

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 12:58 PM

That's a crime worthy of arrest?

Who was arrested?

Taco John

11-12-2007, 12:59 PM

When Ron Paul takes office in 2009 and proceeds to implement his neo-isolationist turtle impression, are you going to join the Army and man a border position or does this thinking only pertain when you disagree with the policy?

No. You don't hear me doing any war or even border mongering though. That's a good example of the difference between support and favor. I'm in favor of having a border guard, but I haven't done anything to support having it and thus don't talk about the issue much. I'd personally rather solve the problem with better border policy.

Taco John

11-12-2007, 01:01 PM

Well then, should someone be allowed to support abortion without being willing to perform abortions themselves? I mean, if they like it so much, shouldn't they be willing to dismember a couple of fetuses to prove it?

The cause to support the right to aborion doesn't require that those in favor of it pick up a scalpal. The fight to keep the civil peace in Iraq, on the other hand, does require people to enlist.

Cochise

11-12-2007, 01:04 PM

The cause to support the right to aborion doesn't require that those in favor of it pick up a scalpal. The fight to keep the civil peace in Iraq, on the other hand, does require people to enlist.

We have quite a few people enlisted in the military.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 01:05 PM

He was threatened by the Hannity spokesperson with arrest.

From the OP Boyce responds, "Well leave the store or I'll have you arrested."

I'm not sure how that's anything but threatening someone without arrest, likely because I don't have the "benefit" of being trained as a shyster. :shrug:

When did he threaten him with this? After he stated to the shills spokesperson he wanted to ask a question. It's a perfectly truthful premise.

He was asked to leave. The threat of arrest was related to the possibility that he wouldn't leave peacefully not to the fact that he wanted to ask questions.

Also, it appears that the "Kosnut" was the one who suggested to the store owner the owner ask him to leave.

It sure does, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have come down on the same side even if KosNut had asked politely to be re-admitted. We'll never know, but what we do know is that he decided to tell KosNut not to return.

Taco John

11-12-2007, 01:07 PM

We have quite a few people enlisted in the military.

You should try out for dodge ball...

Cochise

11-12-2007, 01:11 PM

He was asked to leave. The threat of arrest was related to the possibility that he wouldn't leave peacefully not to the fact that he wanted to ask questions.

I don't really see the difference there... but I don't think anyone should have to justify a private event maintaining order as they see fit.

If you're the owner of a private business, you are entitled to create whatever atmosphere that you choose. You're entitled to run your business as you see fit. If you want to invite talk show hosts there for publicity for your business, cool. It doesn't entitle other people to walk in and create a disturbance if they feel like it.

This is a private business, the kosnut has no implicit right to be there or participate in an event.

If he'd walked onto my lawn, I have the right to tell him to get out, even if he didn't do anything but stand there or ask me a question. Why is this different because Hannity is there?

patteeu

11-12-2007, 01:11 PM

No. You don't hear me doing any war or even border mongering though. That's a good example of the difference between support and favor. I'm in favor of having a border guard, but I haven't done anything to support having it and thus don't talk about the issue much. I'd personally rather solve the problem with better border policy.

One of the apparent implications of your position is that you don't support our troops in Iraq and, in fact, have never supported our troops in any war or even during peacetime. Have I got that right?

Cochise

11-12-2007, 01:13 PM

You should try out for dodge ball...

You said you shouldn't have to perform abortions yourself to support them on the basis of there being plenty of people available to perform them.

Well, there are a lot of people who joined the military for pay and training and other benefits in exchange for carrying out whatever tasks policymakers decide are in our national interest during the term of their enlistment. There is not a shortage of people available to carry this mission out, just as there is no shortage of people willing to perform abortions.

Taco John

11-12-2007, 01:16 PM

One of the apparent implications of your position is that you don't support our troops in Iraq and, in fact, have never supported our troops in any war or even during peacetime. Have I got that right?

Ooooooh! "Support the Troops!" You're breaking out the big guns now...

What kind of support are you talking about? Are you talking about the flag-waving kind of support where I don't really need to do anything but say I support the troops, or are you talking about actual support of the troops by actually doing things to support them?

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 01:16 PM

About 5 mins after arriving at the bookstore, one of the managers (I'm withholding his name, he did tell me) came over to me and said that you must be the "big guy" and that he and the staff read what I posted on DK yesterday and that they really appreciated it. He also told me that NOT ONE staff member wants "these people here." He said I was welcome at the store and again was appreciative of my level headed advice for any other people that would show up. I've been there many times before, I was easily recognizable.

This is the Kos guy's testimony which is part of the evidence. The Kos guy had every right to be there as he talked to the owner at the beginning per this. This of course would have to be cross-examined and confirmed, preferably under oath. But knowing how Hannity has acted in the past on tv shouting down those he does not agree with. I, for one, believe it because it fits Shammity's character.

Taco John

11-12-2007, 01:17 PM

There is not a shortage of people available to carry this mission out...

The hell there isn't. General Petraeaus's counterinsurgency manual says we need a lot more troops in Iraq than we currently have in there now.

Taco John

11-12-2007, 01:18 PM

Gotta run to my conference... out.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 01:18 PM

I don't really see the difference there... but I don't think anyone should have to justify a private event maintaining order as they see fit.

If you're the owner of a private business, you are entitled to create whatever atmosphere that you choose. You're entitled to run your business as you see fit. If you want to invite talk show hosts there for publicity for your business, cool. It doesn't entitle other people to walk in and create a disturbance if they feel like it.

This is a private business, the kosnut has no implicit right to be there or participate in an event.

If he'd walked onto my lawn, I have the right to tell him to get out, even if he didn't do anything but stand there or ask me a question. Why is this different because Hannity is there?

I agree with everything you say here. I only draw the distinction because while "asking a question" is not typically an illegal act subject to arrest, failing to leave a store when the owners (or their agents) and eventually the cops justifiably ask you to do so, can get you arrested.

Chief Faithful

11-12-2007, 01:19 PM

That's a crime worthy of arrest? I think these guys sound touchy and will arrest at the drop of a hat.

What arrest?

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 01:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu
One of the apparent implications of your position is that you don't support our troops in Iraq and, in fact, have never supported our troops in any war or even during peacetime. Have I got that right?
:rolleyes:

Supporting the troops means what?
It's subjective. I think supporting them means don't use them as unecessary cannon fodder say for nation building or imperialistic mercantilist missions for oil.

Radar Chief

11-12-2007, 01:20 PM

What arrest?

Good question. ;)

Who was arrested?

patteeu

11-12-2007, 01:22 PM

This is the Kos guy's testimony which is part of the evidence. The Kos guy had every right to be there as he talked to the owner at the beginning per this. This of course would have to be cross-examined and confirmed, preferably under oath. But knowing how Hannity has acted in the past on tv shouting down those he does not agree with. I, for one, believe it because it fits Shammity's character.

First, it was one of the managers, not the owner.

Second, the owners (and their managers and other agents) have every right to change their minds based on changing circumstances.

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 01:24 PM

What arrest?

Boyce responds, "Well leave the store or I'll have you arrested." I

That's what they were aiming for. You guys are citing the Kos guy for his intentions why can't we talk about the brownshirt's intentions. It didn't happen only because the cops were reasonable and the Kos guy and owner worked it out. You can bet that's what the intention was because Boyce said it.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 01:24 PM

Ooooooh! "Support the Troops!" You're breaking out the big guns now...

What kind of support are you talking about? Are you talking about the flag-waving kind of support where I don't really need to do anything but say I support the troops, or are you talking about actual support of the troops by actually doing things to support them?

I'm trying to talk about the kind of "support" you are defining with your previous posts (e.g. post 79). Don't get me wrong, I couldn't disagree much more with your apparent definition. I'm just trying to understand where you stand.

Chief Faithful

11-12-2007, 01:25 PM

He was threatened by the Hannity spokesperson with arrest.

From the OP Boyce responds, "Well leave the store or I'll have you arrested."

I see that as proof that Kosnut was not the quiet innocent bystander waiting for Levin to sign his dog book. The picture Kosnut paints is lots of incitement and shouting back and forth. Plus, I'm sure there was much more to the context and discussion between Boyce and Kosnut then what was reported by Kosnut.

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 01:25 PM

Conjecture isn't a fact.

patteeu

11-12-2007, 01:28 PM

:rolleyes:

Supporting the troops means what?
It's subjective. I think supporting them means don't use them as unecessary cannon fodder say for nation building or imperialistic mercantilist missions for oil.

I'm trying to understand Taco's definition of support. This has nothing to do with my definition.

Chief Faithful

11-12-2007, 01:33 PM

Conjecture isn't a fact.

Neither is opinion.

Iowanian

11-12-2007, 01:46 PM

In China, Russia, Muslim and most 3rd world countries? Yes.

In the United States, home of "remove that statue" because 1 douchebag is "offended"....not very often.

Is there ever a case where free speech has been infringed upon that isn't involving someone who's a lunatic, press whore, dipshit, attention seeking douche bag, or the like?

Adept Havelock

11-12-2007, 01:48 PM

I see that as proof that Kosnut was not the quiet innocent bystander waiting for Levin to sign his dog book. The picture Kosnut paints is lots of incitement and shouting back and forth. Plus, I'm sure there was much more to the context and discussion between Boyce and Kosnut then what was reported by Kosnut.

He asks Mark to enlist, and then Mark goes his way.

Kosnut then gets into line.

As I moved closer on the lines toward Hannity who was signing autographs, Phil Boyce came over. Instead of approaching me Phil Boyce (who is a good 6 ft 5 and bigger than me who is 6 ft 3 and not skinny) approached a conservative wingnut near me and said, "Are you the guy who asked Mark Levin if he was going to join the military? Boyce was in his face and the guy is denying it so I said, "I think you mean me. I'm the guy who asked Mark that question." At the time Phil Boyce was wearing a Mark Levin stalker fan club T Shirt. Boyce had a beard.

Only after Boyce threatened to call the police, did the crowd start braying and the KosNut respond with his "clever" nonsense.

I'm equally sure that the paid shill's staffers were willing to threaten arrest simply to prevent the shill being confronted with an uncomfortable question. As Mr. Boyce was not an employee nor an "agent" of the store, I don't see where he has the right to ask the KosNut to leave the premises. He could have requested that of the store owners who did have the right to request Mr. Kosnut to leave, but instead decided to be as much of an ignorant ass as the KosNut.

Both KosNut and the paid shill and his handlers are a pretty sad piece of work, IMO.

BucEyedPea

11-12-2007, 02:07 PM

Neither is opinion.
I never said it was. I called what I presented as testimony which is usually part of any evidence and said I for one believed it due to Shammity's past behavior of shouting down guests on his own program. You do know what "believe" means right? I assure you I know the difference between fact and opinion as well as conjecture.

Chief Faithful

11-12-2007, 02:11 PM

I never said it was. I called what I presented as testimony which is usually part of any evidence and said I for one believed it due to Shammity's past behavior of shouting down guests on his own program. You do know what "believe" means right? I assure you I know the difference between fact and opinion as well as conjecture.

I see, I guess all I needed was a little context.

Chief Faithful

11-12-2007, 02:14 PM

Both KosNut and the paid shill and his handlers are a pretty sad piece of work, IMO.

We completely align on this point.

I'm pretty sure the handlers were on high alert for guys like KosNut and all it took was that little confrontation with Levin.

'Hamas' Jenkins

11-12-2007, 09:51 PM

Just a question:

Who is the ultimate arbiter of "douchebag" status, and who confers it upon people? What constitutes a douchebag when it comes to a political q&a session, and why is someone a douchebag when they show a dissenting opinion?

-----------------------------------------

You don't have to like the guy who posted this. You don't have to respect him. But he spent just as much time waiting for his questions to be answered as did anyone else. Does being a sycophant make the rest of the crowd more deserving of being there?

Whatever happened to reasonable discussion? Informed dissent or an honest debate about an issue?

Every time I read shit like this on this board, I'm reminded of John Stewart's appearance on "Crossfire"--

"It's not honest. What you do is not honest. What you do is partisan hackery."

Of course, I'm sure he was a douche for bringing that up too.

irishjayhawk

11-12-2007, 10:00 PM

In China, Russia, Muslim and most 3rd world countries? Yes.

In the United States, home of "remove that statue" because 1 douchebag is "offended"....not very often.

Hmmm, really interesting.

In the land of the free, one is not so free to exercise said freedoms. And the opposite is true for the other countries.

Iowanian

11-13-2007, 06:31 AM

What a load of crap.

In most of the other countries insinuated above, a dissenting opinion can result in some pretty severe consequences. How many journalists in the US are in prisons for their articles?

The fact is, this wasn't a concerned citizen "expressing his opinion" in a public place. He was an instigator, who planned to cause a disturbance ahead of time, planned it and tried to get others to interupt this event.

Hannity may be a dumbass, but I hardly view this clown as some poor peasant who wasn't allowed his "free speech". He's getting as much press as he could have hoped for, without having the talkshow host flip out on him.

Sully

11-13-2007, 06:38 AM

patteeu

11-13-2007, 08:05 AM

patteeu

11-13-2007, 08:11 AM

Everyone seems to take as fact that the guy was there to "Cause a disturbance." Seems, unless my quick read-thru missed something, he was going to ask a tough (as well as tongue in cheek) question, and the only disturbance would be if Hannity or his supporters had a lack of self-conrol.
Of course he wasn't really there for the discourse, he was there to embarrass Hannity, but I don'[t see how that makes a "disturbance" a certainty, or how Hannity, as a public figure with strong opinions, should be insulated from such questions in apublic appearance.

I don't think there is any reason why the store owner or his guests ought to have to allow someone to achieve his goal of causing embarrassment in a situation like this.

And I think your interpretation of what constitutes "causing a disturbance" is wrong too. Planning on being obnoxious in the hope of stimulating a reaction that can be caught on camera qualifies as such IMO.

Chiefnj2

11-13-2007, 08:16 AM

I don't think there is any reason why the store owner or his guests ought to have to allow someone to achieve his goal of causing embarrassment in a situation like this.

And I think your interpretation of what constitutes "causing a disturbance" is wrong too. Planning on being obnoxious in the hope of stimulating a reaction that can be caught on camera qualifies as such IMO.

Did you speak out when Bill O'Reilly tried to ambush Rosie O'Donnell at her book signing? Rosie had bigger balls than Hannity and didn't kick O'Reilly's weasels out of the event.

Sully

11-13-2007, 08:21 AM

I don't think there is any reason why the store owner or his guests ought to have to allow someone to achieve his goal of causing embarrassment in a situation like this.

And I think your interpretation of what constitutes "causing a disturbance" is wrong too. Planning on being obnoxious in the hope of stimulating a reaction that can be caught on camera qualifies as such IMO.

I guess you are free to define a "disturbance" as someone asking an uncomfortable question... I just had no idea all the macho conservatives were so sensitive. As I said though, once the question is asked, the act of causing a disturbance would fall completely under the responsibility of those who react.

BucEyedPea

11-13-2007, 08:43 AM

...I just had no idea all the macho conservatives were so sensitive.
Just the chickenhawks.
Afterall, it's derived from the word "chicken."
Don't be fooled by the macho bravado, or belligerence, that's just insecurity and overcompensation because they easily feel threatened. It's fear underneath.

Like I posted before, I've done the same at talks and NEVER once did the liberal host/speaker get me tossed out never mind arrested. And I'd go with friends, separate to different spots in the crowd. Each of us armed with a question that was meant to challenge the speaker's positions. It was done politely though. It's okay to do this.

patteeu

11-13-2007, 08:43 AM

Did you speak out when Bill O'Reilly tried to ambush Rosie O'Donnell at her book signing? Rosie had bigger balls than Hannity and didn't kick O'Reilly's weasels out of the event.

I think I missed that thread.

I'm not a fan of Bill O'Reilly's practice of sending someone out to catch people off guard and on camera at all. I think it's weak and unprofessional.

patteeu

11-13-2007, 08:48 AM

I guess you are free to define a "disturbance" as someone asking an uncomfortable question... I just had no idea all the macho conservatives were so sensitive. As I said though, once the question is asked, the act of causing a disturbance would fall completely under the responsibility of those who react.

Do conservatives make you feel like a pussy, Sully? I'm kind of getting that vibe here.

If you think that what KosNut was trying to do was admirable, that's your call. I suspect it has more to do with your dislike of Hannity (or maybe of conservatives in general) than it does with any impartial view of how people should behave that you might otherwise have.

Sully

11-13-2007, 09:10 AM

Do conservatives make you feel like a pussy, Sully? I'm kind of getting that vibe here.

If you think that what KosNut was trying to do was admirable, that's your call. I suspect it has more to do with your dislike of Hannity (or maybe of conservatives in general) than it does with any impartial view of how people should behave that you might otherwise have.

Not at all. N one makes me feel anything... that's not the way I work.

I have also never listened to, or watched Hannity. I have heard second-hand accounts of his schtick, but I have no real opinion of the guy.

Was what the guy was doing admirable? No. It was just a thing. I think my opinion has more to do with the fact that those who cry most about us "whiny" libs are forcing "political correctness" on the world, but those same people turn around and are the first to whine the loudest when someone says or does something publicly that makes them look bad or goes against their values.

I just find the hypocrisy funny.

patteeu

11-13-2007, 10:00 AM

Not at all. N one makes me feel anything... that's not the way I work.

I have also never listened to, or watched Hannity. I have heard second-hand accounts of his schtick, but I have no real opinion of the guy.

Was what the guy was doing admirable? No. It was just a thing. I think my opinion has more to do with the fact that those who cry most about us "whiny" libs are forcing "political correctness" on the world, but those same people turn around and are the first to whine the loudest when someone says or does something publicly that makes them look bad or goes against their values.

I just find the hypocrisy funny.

You've got a pretty broad definition of hypocrisy there. This isn't a case of political correctness or a speech code, this is a case of trying to manage the environment at a book signing for the benefit of both the author and those who came to see him and get their books signed. This wasn't a political event.

If one of Howard Stern's chronic flatulators (for lack of a better word) thought it would be fun to attend an event like this and stink up the joint for his own entertainment, it wouldn't be political correctness to kick the guy out, it would just be a reasonable act in pursuit of an enjoyable evening. In the OP example, we have someone who just wants to stink up the place in a different way for his own enjoyment. No more, no less.

Should a guy who's upset about his property taxes going up to support the local school district be allowed to get in line with all the graduates at the high school graduation so he can get face to face with the superintendent to ask a tough question? Of course not. A graduation isn't the place for that sort of nonsense. Neither is a book signing for a book about a family pet. This guy doesn't even appear to have had the decency to buy one of Levin's books. Take advantage of all the free speech you can muster in a public space like the street outside the store, the courthouse steps or the local park.

Sully

11-13-2007, 10:04 AM

You've got a pretty broad definition of hypocrisy there.

Heh

If one of Howard Stern's chronic flatulators (for lack of a better word) thought it would be fun to attend an event like this and stink up the joint for his own entertainment, it wouldn't be political correctness to kick the guy out, it would just be a reasonable act in pursuit of an enjoyable evening. In the OP example, we have someone who just wants to stink up the place in a different way for his own enjoyment. No more, no less.

Should a guy who's upset about his property taxes going up to support the local school district be allowed to get in line with all the graduates at the high school graduation so he can get face to face with the superintendent to ask a tough question? Of course not. A graduation isn't the place for that sort of nonsense. Neither is a book signing for a book about a family pet. Take advantage of all the free speech you can muster in a public space like the street outside the store, the courthouse steps or the local park.

Clearly no broader than what you would compare asking an uncomfortable question to an outspoken public figure during a public appeareance to. LOL.
Just a question. No protest... no signs... no outlandish stunts....
...Just a question.

patteeu

11-13-2007, 10:09 AM

Heh

Clearly no broader than what you would compare asking an uncomfortable question to an outspoken public figure during a public appeareance to. LOL.
Just a question. No protest... no signs... no outlandish stunts....
...Just a question.

I suspect some hypocrisy here, myself. I bet if Hannity was the superintendent of the schools you'd expect him to take all comers.

I side with the property owners. I think it's a matter of common courtesy toward their guests as well as a good business decision.

Sully

11-13-2007, 10:47 AM

I suspect some hypocrisy here, myself. I bet if Hannity was the superintendent of the schools you'd expect him to take all comers.

I side with the property owners. I think it's a matter of common courtesy toward their guests as well as a good business decision.
I also side witht he property owners. However, that didn't come up. When he was asked to leave by the owner, he left without incident.

You bring up a graduation ceremony. Of course, that's completely different, as those who are talking, on stage, with the superintendant, are there by a sort of invite only. This book signing wasn't by invite only, though if it had been, it would be a non-issue, because that would be a pretty cut and dry case of the guy going where he wasn't invited. Now... if someone were to see the superintendant after the onstage ceremony, and have a question to ask him... I don't believe he should be insulated from it. He may choose not to answer, to ignore the questioner, or to remove himself from the situation... Or to answer the question.
This wouldn't change my original opinion at all, that it isn't a "disturbance" at all, even if the point of the question was to ultimately embarrass he or her whom is being questioned.

Mr. Kotter

11-13-2007, 10:50 AM

Hannity's hacks were stupid and out-of-line, IF this is an accurate account of what really happened....which is doubtful.

That said, this davefromqueens douche is a punkass drama queen loser. :rolleyes:

patteeu

11-13-2007, 11:02 AM

I also side witht he property owners. However, that didn't come up. When he was asked to leave by the owner, he left without incident.

It did come up and to the guy's credit he left without incident as you say.

You bring up a graduation ceremony. Of course, that's completely different, as those who are talking, on stage, with the superintendant, are there by a sort of invite only. This book signing wasn't by invite only, though if it had been, it would be a non-issue, because that would be a pretty cut and dry case of the guy going where he wasn't invited. Now... if someone were to see the superintendant after the onstage ceremony, and have a question to ask him... I don't believe he should be insulated from it. He may choose not to answer, to ignore the questioner, or to remove himself from the situation... Or to answer the question.
This wouldn't change my original opinion at all, that it isn't a "disturbance" at all, even if the point of the question was to ultimately embarrass he or her whom is being questioned.

I wouldn't say "completely different" although I acknowledge that the form of the invite was different. In one case specific individuals were invited and in the other a class of individuals were welcomed.

If this were a free speech issue the fact that the owner ultimately sided with the Hannity aide who asked KosNut to leave would be irrelevant. As for hypocrisy, I don't really see it unless Hannity has had his folks crash nonpolitical events to harass attendees.

Cochise

11-13-2007, 11:19 AM

Neither is opinion.

Lew Rockwell's conjectopinion is. :rolleyes:

BucEyedPea

11-13-2007, 12:38 PM

Lew Rockwell's conjectopinion is. :rolleyes:
Please show me where Lew conjectured, as to any facts, on this topic?

Mr. Kotter

11-29-2007, 11:26 PM

Bedtime, for amusement....bump. Heh.

Taco John

11-29-2007, 11:31 PM

You're kind of a vindictive bitch when you get owned.

Calcountry

11-30-2007, 02:27 PM

KILLER_CLOWN

11-30-2007, 08:29 PM

You should try out for dodge ball...
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Mr. Kotter

11-30-2007, 11:17 PM

You're kind of a vindictive bitch when you get owned.

Must be pretty embarrassing to get your ass handed to you, by ANY kind of a bitch....

course, as a Paulite, you are probably accustomed to the humiliation. Right on, bro.

;)

Calcountry

12-01-2007, 12:57 PM

Must be pretty embarrassing to get your ass handed to you, by ANY kind of a bitch....

course, as a Paulite, you are probably accustomed to the humiliation. DON'T TASE ME BRO! FYP

penchief

12-01-2007, 05:06 PM

As much as I resist your narrow view of the world, I admire your resistence toward the status quo. That is something that we can agree on. However, we are definiteley not in the same camp when it comes to the details.

That said, I admire your courage and I do believe that we might actually have the same ends in mind. If you can take that experience and put yourself in the shoes of every liberal that wants what is best for the country and what is best for the whole, then you might be able to understand what it feels like to be a liberal in this corporate-controlled country.

The media is controlled by money and politics is controlled by money. Liberals, just like libertarians, have been marginalized for the sake of demonizing the very ideals by which our founding fathers established this county (for the sole purpose of enhancing wealth and and consolodating power).

The fact that you have been unwilling to acknowledge this is the basis of our disagreement.