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KChiefs1
11-12-2007, 11:05 AM
If you just base it on conference only statistics then you have to say MU...the round robin tournament starting on the 24th will be interesting to watch.

11/24/07 KU vs MU at Arrowhead
12/01/07 OU vs winner of KU/MU at the AlamoDome

http://www.big12sports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2007-2008/confonly.html




SCORING OFFENSE G TD XP 2XP DXP FG Saf Pts Avg
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1. Missouri.................. 5 26 25 1 0 9 0 210 42.0
2. Kansas.................... 5 26 22 0 0 8 0 202 40.4
3. Oklahoma State.......... 5 25 25 0 0 6 0 193 38.6
4. Kansas State............. 6 26 25 1 0 13 0 222 37.0
5. Texas Tech............... 6 26 25 0 0 5 0 196 32.7
6. Texas....................... 6 26 24 0 0 5 0 195 32.5
7. Oklahoma................ 5 21 17 0 0 3 0 152 30.4
8. Colorado................... 6 16 16 0 0 11 0 145 24.2
9. Nebraska.................. 6 17 15 2 0 4 0 133 22.2
10.Texas A&M................ 6 16 13 1 0 5 0 126 21.0
11.Iowa State............... 6 13 13 0 0 4 0 103 17.2
12.Baylor..................... 6 9 7 0 0 4 0 73 12.2


SCORING DEFENSE G TD XP 2XP DXP FG Saf Pts Avg
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1. Missouri.................. 5 12 8 0 0 5 0 95 19.0
2. Kansas................... 5 12 10 2 0 4 0 98 19.6
3. Oklahoma............... 5 13 13 0 0 3 0 100 20.0
4. Texas..................... 6 18 17 1 0 5 0 142 23.7
5. Texas A&M.............. 6 18 17 0 0 6 0 143 23.8
6. Texas Tech.............. 6 20 20 0 0 4 0 152 25.3
7. Kansas State............ 6 20 18 0 0 6 0 156 26.0
8. Oklahoma State......... 5 21 20 1 0 4 0 160 32.0
9. Colorado................... 6 23 20 0 0 12 0 194 32.3
10.Iowa State............... 6 28 27 1 0 5 0 212 35.3
11.Nebraska.................. 6 32 27 0 0 8 0 243 40.5
12.Baylor..................... 6 30 30 0 0 15 0 255 42.5

StcChief
11-12-2007, 11:10 AM
MU should take care of KU at Arrowhead

Cochise
11-12-2007, 11:14 AM
Pretty close, but OU is the only team that I think would beat both.

Saulbadguy
11-12-2007, 11:16 AM
Sooners have the most talent, and has the best coach. OU has played the toughest schedule, as well.

ChiefsCountry
11-12-2007, 11:16 AM
I think OU's is the best team out of that bunch and they did beat Mizzou on the field already.

BigChiefFan
11-12-2007, 11:16 AM
OU already BEAT MU.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-12-2007, 11:22 AM
KU is.

ISU and MU are warm up games before we play OU. Should be a great game, I hope we prevail.

10-0, bitches!

Boon
11-12-2007, 11:27 AM
OU already beat MU.

DaKCMan AP
11-12-2007, 11:28 AM
OU, but we'll know fo' sho over the next few weeks.

Anyong Bluth
11-12-2007, 11:29 AM
We all know KU hasn't played anyone so we can pull them from the discussion.

BigCatDaddy
11-12-2007, 11:37 AM
1. OU
2. MU
3. KU

But it will all work itself out over the next few weeks. Just like a playoff system would do.

eazyb81
11-12-2007, 11:37 AM
OU wins on pure talent and coaching, but I'm not sure the disparity is as great as some think it is (for MU and KU).

KChiefs1
11-12-2007, 11:45 AM
you have to remember this.....the OU vs MU game was in NORMAN OKLAHOMA!

Also in six Big 12 games, Missouri has scored more points and given up fewer than Kansas despite playing Texas Tech and Oklahoma instead of Baylor and Okie State, and also playing Iowa State instead of K-State. Just food for thought.

IMHO, I think OU vs MU is going to be a lot closer in San Antonio then many people think & I think that MU is a better team.

Reerun_KC
11-12-2007, 11:51 AM
you have to remember this.....the OU vs MU game was in NORMAN OKLAHOMA!

Also in six Big 12 games, Missouri has scored more points and given up fewer than Kansas despite playing Texas Tech and Oklahoma instead of Baylor and Okie State, and also playing Iowa State instead of K-State. Just food for thought.

IMHO, I think OU vs MU is going to be a lot closer in San Antonio then many people think & I think that MU is a better team.


Wierd doesnt MU play KSU this weekend and ISU at KU? No thanks I am not hungry....

MU has a great team, watching them and KU, they look almost Identical to me... should be a great game, cant wait to watch and I truly hope the winner kicks the shit out of OU.

OU is OU....

ROYC75
11-12-2007, 11:51 AM
I can't reply, ask Zach, OK.

Boon
11-12-2007, 11:56 AM
IMHO, I think OU vs MU is going to be a lot closer in San Antonio then many people think & I think that MU is a better team.


The only way MU plays in San Antonio this year is in the Alamo Bowl!!

Cochise
11-12-2007, 11:58 AM
I can't reply, ask Zach, OK.

I'll substitute for you:

"Missouri or Kansas will win the Missouri/Kansas game. The team that wins, I don't know which one it will be, but they will score the most points. It's impossible to predict which team will win but it will be one of the two on the field that day. You ask me for a prediction, well, I'm too afraid of karma to say anything more than the winning team will begin with a K. Or an M. "

Reerun_KC
11-12-2007, 12:00 PM
I'll substitute for you:

"Missouri or Kansas will win the Missouri/Kansas game. The team that wins, I don't know which one it will be, but they will score the most points. It's impossible to predict which team will win but it will be one of the two on the field that day. You ask me for a prediction, well, I'm too afraid of karma to say anything more than the winning team will begin with a K. Or an M. "


ROFL

should be a great game.... Just so the winner hammers OU, I will be happy...

Boon
11-12-2007, 12:00 PM
I'll substitute for you:

"Missouri or Kansas will win the Missouri/Kansas game. The team that wins, I don't know which one it will be, but they will score the most points. It's impossible to predict which team will win but it will be one of the two on the field that day. You ask me for a prediction, well, I'm too afraid of karma to say anything more than the winning team will begin with a K. Or an M. "


I'll bet the winning team's school begins with a "U".

University of Kansas or University of Missouri.

DaKCMan AP
11-12-2007, 12:00 PM
ROFL

should be a great game.... Just so the winner hammers OU, I will be happy...

The winner may or may not beat OU.

ROYC75
11-12-2007, 12:03 PM
I'll substitute for you:

"Missouri or Kansas will win the Missouri/Kansas game. The team that wins, I don't know which one it will be, but they will score the most points. It's impossible to predict which team will win but it will be one of the two on the field that day. You ask me for a prediction, well, I'm too afraid of karma to say anything more than the winning team will begin with a K. Or an M. "


Yur not very good, wanna try again ?

Reerun_KC
11-12-2007, 12:07 PM
The winner may or may not beat OU.

I know, but one can dream right?

Cochise
11-12-2007, 12:09 PM
Yur not very good, wanna try again ?

I might try again. Then again, I might not try again. One thing's for sure, if I tried again I would be trying. Just like the other times when I tried. You can take that to the bank. But I don't want to jinx myself.

Reerun_KC
11-12-2007, 12:10 PM
I might try again. Then again, I might not try again. One thing's for sure, if I tried again I would be trying. Just like the other times when I tried. You can take that to the bank. But I don't want to jinx myself.


Drinking already today?

ROYC75
11-12-2007, 12:11 PM
OK you c*cksuckers .... I'm not sold KU can stop MU's offense.

MU by 10 ?

MU vs OU ? OU the 2nd time around too .....

Is that good enough for you Tiggers.

Now, KU has had a great run this year and we are happy for them.

Now for all of you Tiggers, GFY ........ 4321 :D

Now I hope KU somehow kicks MU's ass .......... :KU:

Boon
11-12-2007, 12:11 PM
Drinking already today?


No, just a Missouri attempt at cleverness.

Boon
11-12-2007, 12:12 PM
OK you c*cksuckers .... I'm not sold KU can stop MU's offense.

MU by 10 ?

MU vs OU ? OU the 2nd time around too .....

Is that good enough for you Tiggers.

Now, KU has had a great run this year and we are hapy for them.

Now for all of you Tiggers, GFY ........ 4321 :D

Now I hope KU somehow kicks MU's ass .......... :KU:


Git er done Roy!!!!!!

kepp
11-12-2007, 12:17 PM
The best "overall" team is OU, I think. MU has better talent than KU and KU has better coaching than MU. OU has both good talent and coaching.

Alec R
11-12-2007, 12:24 PM
I want to say KU, but my head tells me OU has the best team in the conference. I think MU might be a better team than KU but KUs coaching is way superior getting more out of less and will decide the victor of that game.

ArrowheadHawk
11-12-2007, 12:28 PM
...playing Iowa State instead of K-State. Just food for thought..
uhmmm both teams play both of those teams

kstater
11-12-2007, 12:54 PM
uhmmm both teams play both of those teams

He was looking at the statistics compared to each other. KU hasn't played ISU yet and MU hasn't played KSU yet.

ROYC75
11-12-2007, 01:22 PM
He was looking at the statistics compared to each other. KU hasn't played ISU yet and MU hasn't played KSU yet.


What's the chance of KSU playing with a chip onit's shoulders after the butt whipping NU did to them ?

kstater
11-12-2007, 01:31 PM
What's the chance of KSU playing with a chip onit's shoulders after the butt whipping MU did to them ?
It was NU and,

Slim to none. But they are a much better team at home. The offense is so inconsistent it's hard to say what they are going to do. If the offense gets rolling the defense gets fired up and they are a decent team. If the offense struggles the defense struggles. Missouri would be wise to run the ball a lot though.

HC_Chief
11-12-2007, 01:50 PM
OK you c*cksuckers .... I'm not sold KU can stop MU's offense.

I don't think ANYONE can stop MU's offense. Only hope is to contain them, hold them to 30 or less, and score whenever you get the ball. MU WILL beat you deep at least once per game... barring a catostrophic injury (Chase Daniel), that passing game simply has too many weapons to stop.

KU's best chance to win the game is to run the ball down MU's throat. Brandon McAnderson and Jake Sharpe need to gash the MU D and control the clock. Sustained drives that result in TDs and keep the MU O on the sideline... that's how you beat them. If the D can get a stop or two, KU can stretch the margin of victory; else it's going to be a close one with a sh*tload of points scored! :D

This will be, by far, the best game played @ Arrowhead this season!
RCJGKU :KU:

Anyong Bluth
11-12-2007, 02:14 PM
you have to remember this.....the OU vs MU game was in NORMAN OKLAHOMA!

Also in six Big 12 games, Missouri has scored more points and given up fewer than Kansas despite playing Texas Tech and Oklahoma instead of Baylor and Okie State, and also playing Iowa State instead of K-State. Just food for thought.

IMHO, I think OU vs MU is going to be a lot closer in San Antonio then many people think & I think that MU is a better team.

Ok St scores more than Tech, and Ku's already played KSU. They are 3 & 4 in scoring in the B12 and KU played both on the road. The scoring D 's are so close that it's pretty negligible b/c MU has held their own vs the top offenses. NU's offense looks like its a night and day once they switched QB's. I'd still give KU the edge on D, and MU the edge on O.

You can look at a lot of the stats and it shows a lot of similar strengths for both teams in different areas. You can check out the numbers at link below. Some of the rankings are pretty negligible and others pretty big. The main number is the rank based on big 12 play vs Big 12 teams, the one in parenthesis is the teams statistical number.


Penalties:
KU 1 (17) , MU 2 (22), OU 4 (25)

Opponents w/ most penalties vs respective team:
MU 3 (39), OU 5 (31), KU 11 (24)

Turnover margin
MU 4 (3), KU 1 (12), OU 4 (3)

Red zone offense
OU 1 (100), MU 2 (96.3), KU 3 (87.1)

Red zone D:
OU is 1 (68.8), KU is 5 (78.6), MU 12 (91.7)

3rd down conversions:
MU 1 (57.1), KU 5 (46.8), OU 3 (52.1)

Opp. 3rd down conversions:
KU 1 (30.8), OU 3 (37.3), MU 6 (43.5)

Time of Possession:
MU 7 (29:15), OU 8 (29:11), KU 4 (31:59)

Kickoff Coverage:
KU 3 (43.9), MU 8 (41.4), OU 10 (39.9)

Punting
MU 7 (35.3), KU 11 (32.0), OU 5 (36.7)

Punt Return Avg:
MU 8 (4.9), KU 11 (2.3), OU 8 (2.7)

Sacks against:
KU 10 (12), MU 5 (8), OU 3 (6)

Sacks:
OU 1 (12) tied with KSU
MU 3 (11) 2nd behind OU and KSU
KU 9 (7) tied w 3 teams (so 2nd to last behind NU)

Rush D- yards / game
MU 2 (83.8), KU 1 (64.0), Ou 3 (100.4)

Rush O- yards / game
MU 5 (149.8), KU 4 (206.2), Ou 7 (145.0)

Pass D- yards / game
MU 4 (247.0), KU 8 (280.0), OU 3 (246.8)

Pass O- yards / game
MU 2 (332.2), KU 8 (233.0), Ou 9 (217.8)

Opp. least 1st downs:
MU 3 (96), KU 1 (84 ), Ou 2 (92)

1st Downs
MU 6 (127), KU 7 (125), Ou 11 (100)

Pass D efficiency
MU 2 (110.3 63.1%), KU 1 (108.3 / 56%), Ou 6 (130.1 / 66.1%)

Pass efficiency
MU 3 (152.4 / 70.5%), KU 5 (138.5 / 63.4%), Ou 4 (148.1 / 62.9%)

http://www.big12sports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2007-2008/confonly.html

Mr. Laz
11-12-2007, 02:44 PM
overall talent level goes to OU


offense goes to MU
Defense goes to KU
coaching goes to OU



edge goes to OU while MU and KU are really too close to call.



1. OU
2. MU
3. KU

ROYC75
11-12-2007, 02:48 PM
It was NU and,.

I knew this, sorry for the typo.......

kcchiefsus
11-12-2007, 02:51 PM
OU already beat MU.

Barely, and in a stadium where OU has only lost twice in the Bob Stoops era. Colorado beat OU so does that mean they are better than OU?

A game in Columbia or in a neutral site like San Antonio could turn out much different.

Cochise
11-12-2007, 02:54 PM
OK you c*cksuckers .... I'm not sold KU can stop MU's offense.

MU by 10 ?

MU vs OU ? OU the 2nd time around too .....

Is that good enough for you Tiggers.

Now, KU has had a great run this year and we are happy for them.

Now for all of you Tiggers, GFY ........ 4321 :D

Now I hope KU somehow kicks MU's ass .......... :KU:

Finally, damn, been needling you for days! LMAO

HolyHandgernade
11-12-2007, 02:55 PM
I think Mangino and his staff make excellent halftime adjustments. If the score is close at halftime in any game KU plays, I give them the edge, stats be damned!

-HH

ROYC75
11-12-2007, 02:58 PM
Finally, damn, been needling you for days! LMAO


You peckerheads knew I was not expecting a KU win in Arrowhead. With that said, can KU win ? Yes, but things must fall just right.

Now Go, begone on your merry way. FTR, I want youto win this saturday against KSU, you should. But in the event KU was to win against MU, it looks better on KU's resume for the BCS games.

LiL stumppy
11-12-2007, 03:13 PM
OU will win it all.

beer bacon
11-12-2007, 04:04 PM
I wish MU would have gotten OU @Columbia this season. OU's offense hasn't been exactly spectacular away from Norman.

KChiefs1
11-12-2007, 04:56 PM
I'm just saying based on conference-only stats MU has so far been shown to be the better team.

MU vs OU on a neutral field should be a very entertaining game.

Bump
11-12-2007, 05:01 PM
boy if we win at Arrowhead this place is going to melt down.

KChiefs1
11-12-2007, 05:56 PM
MU vs KU statistical comparison of common opponents(TAMU, NU & CU)

Points scored:
MU 136(45.3), KU 114(38) - ADV MU
Points given up:
MU 42(14), KU 64(21.3) - ADV MU
Total Offense:
MU 1759(586.3), KU 1312(437.3) - ADV MU
Total Defense:
MU 873(291), KU 1155(385) - ADV MU
Pass Offense:
MU 1192(397.3), KU 687(219) - ADV MU
Rush Offense:
MU 570(190), KU 625(208.3) - ADV KU
Pass Defense:
MU 582(194), KU 936(312) - ADV MU
Rush Defense:
MU 306(102), KU 219(73) - ADV KU
1st Downs:
MU 89(29.7), KU 75(25) - ADV MU
Opp 1st Downs:
MU 44(14.7), KU 57(19) - ADV MU

MU wins every category but two(rush offense & rush defense).

Spott
11-12-2007, 06:24 PM
boy if we win at Arrowhead this place is going to melt down.


More like if you lose at Arrowhead this place will melt down. This place is going to be intolerable for half this board come Nov. 25th, no matter who wins.

|Zach|
11-12-2007, 06:27 PM
I can't reply, ask Zach, OK.
See the time that saves? Good work.

|Zach|
11-12-2007, 06:29 PM
More like if you lose at Arrowhead this place will melt down. This place is going to be intolerable for half this board come Nov. 25th, no matter who wins.
I went to Big 12 (or whatever they are calling it now) after the Mizzou game in Columbia having beers with friends and I overheard one guy talking to his friend from across the bar.

"November 24th is either going to be the best or worst day of my life. It won't be anything in between."

Haha, its been quite a build up.

barry_smilez20
11-12-2007, 06:42 PM
the manginos

KChiefs1
11-12-2007, 08:46 PM
"November 24th is either going to be the best or worst day of my life. It won't be anything in between."


No truer words have been spoken

barry_smilez20
11-12-2007, 09:00 PM
OU will dominate the manginos unfortunately

Skip Towne
11-12-2007, 09:08 PM
Too close to call. Three very good teams.

BWillie
11-12-2007, 09:13 PM
Too close to call. Three very good teams.

Probably, but I don't understand why everybody uses the argument that just because OU beat Missouri that means they are a better team. Home field advantage is huge, and if that game would of been played at Missouri the Tigers would of won. I think Missouri is better than Oklahoma, and I think Oklahoma is the third best team in the big 12. If Oklahoma didn't have a big name, and you watched their games you wouldn't think they were better than Missouri or Kansas.

KCFalcon59
11-12-2007, 09:27 PM
MU vs KU statistical comparison of common opponents(TAMU, NU & CU)

Points scored:
MU 136(45.3), KU 114(38) - ADV MU
Points given up:
MU 42(14), KU 64(21.3) - ADV MU
Total Offense:
MU 1759(586.3), KU 1312(437.3) - ADV MU
Total Defense:
MU 873(291), KU 1155(385) - ADV MU
Pass Offense:
MU 1192(397.3), KU 687(219) - ADV MU
Rush Offense:
MU 570(190), KU 625(208.3) - ADV KU
Pass Defense:
MU 582(194), KU 936(312) - ADV MU
Rush Defense:
MU 306(102), KU 219(73) - ADV KU
1st Downs:
MU 89(29.7), KU 75(25) - ADV MU
Opp 1st Downs:
MU 44(14.7), KU 57(19) - ADV MU

MU wins every category but two(rush offense & rush defense).

Which tells me that KU dominates the lines of scrimmage. That can really take over games. Mizzou is better than anyone KU has faced, but if KU's lines start dominating I think they will pull out the win. Mizzou is incredible though. Going to be a great game.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
11-12-2007, 11:10 PM
Everyone is comparing KU/MU in terms of offense and defense, which when you look at the stats are virtually indentical in regards to total team performance. Both teams have good offenses, with the edge to MU, both have good defenses with the edge to KU.

To me the swing in this game is going to be special teams and KU has far superior special teams play with exception of punt returns.

They lead the Big 12 in kickoff returns, Hereford is averaging almost 32 yards a return. Maclin for all the hype he receives about being a great returner is almost 9 yards per return worse, that equates to an extra first down every possesion. Webb also has 23 touchbacks, Wolfert has 4. KU allows 21.5 per kickoff return; MU allows 21.7, but Wolfert's kick are almost 7 yards shorter per kick. KU 66.6 per kickoff; 45.1 yards net, to MU 61 per kickoff; 39.3 yards net. KU will have alot better field postion to start drives; using these numbers KU should be looking at starting drives near the 40+, while MU will be pushed back to the 30.

KU's defense is strong enough that even with MU's offense they can't go 70 yards every possesion. This will equalize whatever advantage MU will have on the offensive side.

Punting should be a wash, neither team has great punting stats and actually are 10 and 11 in the conference. They average about 38 yards per punt. MU has the edge in punt returns however, 12.3 to 7.6 per return. KU covers punts slightly better allowing about a yard less per punt return.

Turnovers will be another huge point, KU has a distinct advantage here, with a +20 turnover margin to MU's +7.

It will be a great game, I see KU winning a 38-28 type of game.


*These stats do not reflect the games last Sat., the Big 12 site has not updated yet.

beer bacon
11-13-2007, 02:18 AM
Probably, but I don't understand why everybody uses the argument that just because OU beat Missouri that means they are a better team. Home field advantage is huge, and if that game would of been played at Missouri the Tigers would of won. I think Missouri is better than Oklahoma, and I think Oklahoma is the third best team in the big 12. If Oklahoma didn't have a big name, and you watched their games you wouldn't think they were better than Missouri or Kansas.

I don't want to say OU is the worst of the three, but they are the worst of the three on the road.

beer bacon
11-13-2007, 02:21 AM
How can anyone say that KU's defense has the edge over Missouri? The only way that argument can be made is by leaning heavily on OOC stats. When you consider just Big 12 play, as has been pointed out already in this thread, MU has outperformed KU in every category but run defense, and there isn't that much of a difference there.

Also, I must chuckle at anyone that says their defense can stop our offense from going 70 yards consistently. The only thing that has really slowed down our offense this season are things like drops or turnovers, and that has never lasted for more then a quarter or so.

Against Colorado Mizzou had a half dozen drops, a tipped INT on our own eleven, and a blocked punt in our own territory all in the first quarter. After going down down 10-7 in the first quarter, Mizzou got out of first gear and held CU to three first downs and scored 48 points in the last three quarters.

Guru
11-13-2007, 02:21 AM
Who cares. Enjoy the ride. If your team loses, it was still a hell of a season for each.

|Zach|
11-13-2007, 08:18 AM
KU's defense is strong enough that even with MU's offense they can't go 70 yards every possesion. This will equalize whatever advantage MU will have on the offensive side.

Wait, so...

If KU can stop MU from going 70 yards on every possession the advantage MU has on offense would be neutralized? WTF?

Brock
11-13-2007, 08:49 AM
Against Colorado Mizzou had a half dozen drops, a tipped INT on our own eleven, and a blocked punt in our own territory all in the first quarter. After going down down 10-7 in the first quarter, Mizzou got out of first gear and held CU to three first downs and scored 48 points in the last three quarters.

Yes, we know, the only way Mizzou loses is if they beat themselves.

kepp
11-13-2007, 08:52 AM
KU's defense is strong enough that even with MU's offense they can't go 70 yards every possesion. This will equalize whatever advantage MU will have on the offensive side.
Nebraska put up nearly 500 yards of offense on the KU D (200 more yards than MU let them have) and you think your defense is strong enough to stop our offense?

ROYC75
11-13-2007, 09:13 AM
Nebraska put up nearly 500 yards of offense on the KU D (200 more yards than MU let them have) and you think your defense is strong enough to stop our offense?

This is a bad take..... bad compairson. NU had a different QB, different game plan for both games. NU as of now is starting to look pretty good.

Lzen
11-13-2007, 09:15 AM
MU vs KU statistical comparison of common opponents(TAMU, NU & CU)

Points scored:
MU 136(45.3), KU 114(38) - ADV MU
Points given up:
MU 42(14), KU 64(21.3) - ADV MU
Total Offense:
MU 1759(586.3), KU 1312(437.3) - ADV MU
Total Defense:
MU 873(291), KU 1155(385) - ADV MU
Pass Offense:
MU 1192(397.3), KU 687(219) - ADV MU
Rush Offense:
MU 570(190), KU 625(208.3) - ADV KU
Pass Defense:
MU 582(194), KU 936(312) - ADV MU
Rush Defense:
MU 306(102), KU 219(73) - ADV KU
1st Downs:
MU 89(29.7), KU 75(25) - ADV MU
Opp 1st Downs:
MU 44(14.7), KU 57(19) - ADV MU

MU wins every category but two(rush offense & rush defense).

ROFL Yeah, that's a fair comparison. 2 of those opponents were home games for NU while only 1 was a home game for KU.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
11-13-2007, 10:00 AM
Wait, so...

If KU can stop MU from going 70 yards on every possession the advantage MU has on offense would be neutralized? WTF?


I never used the word neutralize; I said it will equalize MU's offensive advantage over KU. As good as MU is on offense they will not be able to drive 70 yards every possesion to score against KU. KU's defense is too strong. That does not mean MU won't drive 50 yards a kick a field goal some of those possessions. But KU has allowed only 133 first downs all year, and I believe they lead the conference in forcing 3 and outs. They also lead the conference in preventing 3rd down conversions. They only allow a 29% success rate on 3rd down; although MU is the best at converting 3rd downs at 57%, this will be a key to the game.

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka
11-13-2007, 10:05 AM
ROFL Yeah, that's a fair comparison. 2 of those opponents were home games for NU while only 1 was a home game for KU.


The biggest problem with comparing common opponents is the sample is too small. Regardless of the outcome of those games every team matches up differently, there are different gameplans, different schemes and not to mention the overall "feel" of a particular game. The only way to compare is the whole season, you get the true statistical identity of a team.

Doesn't really mean shit once the teams line up to actually play, but for arguement sake that what fans have to go by.

ROYC75
11-13-2007, 10:06 AM
How many times over the years do we, fans of football say things like STATS don't mean jack shit.

When it comes to RIVALS, you just play cause you usually get the other teams best effort.

KC_Connection
11-13-2007, 12:00 PM
Only one team is going to the 'ship. I think you all know who that is.

King_Chief_Fan
11-13-2007, 12:18 PM
Only one team is going to the 'ship. I think you all know who that is.
yup.......Go Mizzou

Mr. Laz
11-13-2007, 12:22 PM
Yes, we know, the only way Mizzou loses is if they beat themselves.
which pretty much guarantees KU a victory :p




Mizzery folks specialize in beatin' themselves :whackit:

Spott
11-13-2007, 02:47 PM
Only one team is going to the 'ship. I think you all know who that is.


They only want to go to the ship because it's full of seamen.

KChiefs1
11-13-2007, 07:12 PM
stole this from another site:

I havenít been able to listen to every radio show, all day long, every day. But Iíve caught enough to know (and read enough nationally) that too many people seem to be jumping on the KU bandwagon. Too many people (Keitzman, Leabo, Dodd) seem to think that KU might be the best team in the conference or that they are going to beat MU.

Obviously this is all speculation (and it is certainly everyoneís right to have an opinion) Ė but I just donít see the logic (though Iím obviously biased and canít decide if I hate Kansas more than I love Missouri Ė quite a struggle).

We can look at the two teams in any number of ways and Iím struggling to find a reason why ANYONE can consider Kansas to be the better team Ė on paper. Obviously, and thankfully, a game in less than two weeks will go along way in settling this. But the time in between is driving me crazy.

NONCONFERENCE SCHEDULE:
Kansas has played:
Central Michigan : 6-4 (1-4 out of conference) Ė lost to Clemson 70-14

Southeastern Louisianna : 2-8 out of the Southland Conference

Toledo: 5-5 Ė lost to Central Michigan by 21, beat Iowa State

Florida International: 0-9 out of the Sunbelt Conference

Missouri has played:
Illinois: 8-3 Ė beat Penn State (#21), Wisconsin (#5), Ohio State (#1 on the road), lost to Michigan

Ole Miss: 3-8 Ė plays in deepest conference (SEC) Ė played MU, Florida, Auburn tough

Western Michigan: 3-7 Ė lost to Central Michigan by 3, won at Toledo (by 14)

Eastern Illinois: I-AA team helps close the gap in schedule strength

CONFERENCE SCHEDULE:
MU has played the tougher conference schedule as well (MU opponents 18-23 in conference Ė .439 winning %, KU 14-27 Ė .341 winning %).

OVERALL SCHEDULE:
MUís two best wins are Illinois and Texas Tech. KUís two best are ÖÖOSU ant Texas A&M I guess Ė neither of which will finish over .500. MU also has a win against Texas A&M basically canceling KUís win out. MU has played three ranked schools (not including Illinois who wasnít ranked at the time) Ė trashing two of them! Kansas has played K-State who was ranked a t the time (Colorado WAS NOT, 4-3 entering the Kansas game and just trashed by K-State).

COMMON OPPONENTS:
MU and Kansas have played three common opponents Ė Nebraska at home, Colorado on the road, Texas A&M (differs). MU has absolutely dominated KU in this category Ė winning by twice as much, scoring a touchdown more and giving up a touchdown less, and about 100 yards difference in total yards and yards allowed EACH GAME!!!!


MU KU
Nebraska
Point Margin 35 37
Points Scored 41 76
Points Allowed 6 39
Total Yards 606 572
Yards Allowed 297 484

Colorado
Point Margin 45 5
Points Scored 55 19
Points Allowed 10 14
Total Yards 598 333
Yards Allowed 196 35

Texas A&M
Point Margin 14 8
Points Scored 40 19
Points Allowed 26 11
Total Yards 555 407
Yards Allowed 380 318

AVERAGE
Point Margin 31.3 16.7
Points Scored 45.3 38.0
Points Allowed 14.0 21.3
Total Yards 586.3 487.7
Yards Allowed 291.0 385


STATISTICS: Iím not going to look at non-conference games because the two schedules were obviously very different. So Iím just looking at conference games - which isnít perfect either Ė but closer anyway. These are taken from the Big 12ís website and cfbstats.com. These are not all categories Ė but some of the more important ones.
MU KU
Offense
Scoring Offense 1 2
Total Offense 3 5
Rush Offense 5 4
Pass Offense 2 8
First Downs 3 7
3rd Down % 1 6
Red Zone% 2 3
Sacks Allowed 4 9
FG % 1 5
Average Rank 2.44 5.44

Defense
Total Defense 1 3
Rush Defense 2 1
YDS Per Carry 1 2
Pass Defense 2 7
Pass Efficiency 2 1
1st Allowed 3 1
3rd Down % 8 1
Sacks 2 6
TFL 2 8
Red Zone % 8 9
Average Rank 3.10 3.90

MISC
TO Margin 4 1
Penalties 2 1
Opponentís Penalties 2 11

COACHES: I havenít bothered to look this up Ė but Pinkel has roughly 3 times as many wins and some conference championships under his belt (admittedly from the MAC though). He has also been to more bowl games since each joined the Big 12. There e probably isnít a great difference here Ė except Pinkelís program has NEVER BEEN PENALIZED BY THE NCAA and Manginoís has!!!

DONíT BEAT THEMSELVES: This is one area KU might have a slight edge. They donít turn the ball over quite as much (5 TOís for KU, 9 for MU in conference play). They each have allowed one kick to be blocked this season. Both commit very few penalties (20 for KU, 26 for MU in conference play) but MUís opponents commit many more penalties (for whatever reason). KU has been better on kickoff returns (though Maclin is definitely dangerous) while Missouri has been better on punt returns. KU covers kicks slightly better. MU has the better punter , place kicker, and return man.

INDIVIDUAL TALENT - Talib, Rucker, Maclin (return man), and Daniel (has better numbers across the board than Reesing) all have shots at All-American. MU is significantly better at WR and TE. MU is better at QB and O-Line (as Prince will tell you). RB is interesting as McAnderson has emerged but Temple is pretty good when healthy.

KUís Talib is an NFL talent Ė but MU may have the better trio of corners. MU rushes the passer better, stops the run (yards per carry), and covers the pass better. KU forces more turnovers (though most of those came against a backup QB making his first start). Hard to say who has the best LB between Weatherspoon, Christopher, and Mortensen. McClintock is the best DL but Williams and Sulak are probably 2nd and 3rd.

In short, MU has more NFL caliber players Iím guessing (and most would agree) than KU.

Iíve rambled on for long enough. On paper this doesnít seem to be close (but we all know that means little ). Obviously going undefeated (regardless of opponents) deserves some respect Ė but not as much as they have gotten.

Iíve got three last points:
1) If this was the NCAA Basketball Tournament how badly would KU be penalized for strength of schedule and quality wins? Obviously the BCS is flawed and this is one glaring example.
2) How many other teams in the nation would be undefeated with KUís schedule? 15, 20????
3) MU kicked their asses last year 42-17...enough said!

KChiefs1
11-23-2007, 08:12 PM
I'm ready!

barry_smilez20
11-23-2007, 09:13 PM
hawaii