My prediction: The economy will be the #1 issue in '08

[dirk digler]

I have started to think that the economy will bypass National Security and Iraq as the top issue come election time.

Basically there is alot of bad news about the economy especially about banks and the housing industry. Consumer confidence continues to slide and there is talk of a possible recession. Throw in the real possibility of $4-$5 a gallon for gas and things aren't looking so rosy.

Discuss.

[Adept Havelock]

So I guess this means we can look forward to a year or so of "You guys want to force Grandma to eat dog food" vs. "You guys want to tax Grandma after she's dead".

IMO, it remains to be seen if that is much of an improvement over "You guys want our soldiers sacrifice in Iraq to come to nothing and surrender for a political advantage" vs. "You guys want to sacrifice our troops in Iraq to try to get political cover and justify a failed policy".

Either way, any discussions of real substance end up tossed under the tracks...

[patteeu]

Rudy is prepared to handle this contingency. /recxjake


Ron Paul brought this dirty little secret to light and he alone can fix it with a heavy dose of freedom and a return to the gold standard. Here's the video. /Taco John


Yeah, Ron Paul! Let's meetup. /chorus of adoring members


Just as I've been predicting all along. This plays right into the hands of Fred Thompson. People are going to want a grownup to clean up this mess. /Mr. Kotter


What do you mean the economy's bad? /patteeu

[SNR]

It's also an issue that no candidate is talking about, and that's what pisses me off. Ron Paul by far has said the most about the economy, but if you don't like what he says, you're kinda screwed.

People like Hillary and McCain bring it up but never really provide any solutions to the problem.

[dirk digler]

So I guess this means we can look forward to a year or so of "You guys want to force Grandma to eat dog food" vs. "You guys want to tax Grandma after she's dead".

IMO, it remains to be seen if that is much of an improvement over "You guys want our soldiers sacrifice in Iraq to come to nothing and surrender" vs. "You guys want to sacrifice our troops in Iraq to try to justify a failed policy".

Either way....

LMAO

Good point Adept. Nothing like class warfare.

In all honesty though we could be headed towards a real downturn in the economy. I hope not but things aren't the best right now.

[Adept Havelock]

Rudy is prepared to handle this contingency. /recxjake


Ron Paul brought this dirty little secret to light and he alone can fix it with a heavy dose of freedom and a return to the gold standard. Here's the video. /Taco John


Yeah, Ron Paul! Let's meetup. /chorus of adoring members


Just as I've been predicting all along. This plays right into the hands of Fred Thompson. People are going to want a grownup to clean up this mess. /Mr. Kotter


What do you mean the economy's bad? /patteeu


ROFL

Bah, it won't make any difference anyway. /Adept Havelock

LMAO

Good point Adept. Nothing like class warfare.

In all honesty though we could be headed towards a real downturn in the economy. I hope not but things aren't the best right now.

Thank you kindly. If only the warfare was carried out with "class". :p

I think you may be right. There are storm clouds gathering, IMO.

[dirk digler]

Rudy is prepared to handle this contingency. /recxjake


Ron Paul brought this dirty little secret to light and he alone can fix it with a heavy dose of freedom and a return to the gold standard. Here's the video. /Taco John


Yeah, Ron Paul! Let's meetup. /chorus of adoring members


Just as I've been predicting all along. This plays right into the hands of Fred Thompson. People are going to want a grownup to clean up this mess. /Mr. Kotter


What do you mean the economy's bad? /patteeu

LMAO

Classic and you nailed it patteeu. LMAO ROFL

[SNR]

Rudy is prepared to handle this contingency. /recxjake


Ron Paul brought this dirty little secret to light and he alone can fix it with a heavy dose of freedom and a return to the gold standard. Here's the video. /Taco John


Yeah, Ron Paul! Let's meetup. /chorus of adoring members


Just as I've been predicting all along. This plays right into the hands of Fred Thompson. People are going to want a grownup to clean up this mess. /Mr. Kotter


What do you mean the economy's bad? /patteeuAlso, let's not forget

*crickets* /jAz and mememe

[dirk digler]

We need a BEP reference in here somewhere to complete this. I can't do it because she uses big words that I have never heard of.

[Nightfyre]

Actually, I find Ron Paul's stance on this issue to be quite satisfactory to both sides.
So I guess this means we can look forward to a year or so of "You guys want to force Grandma to eat dog food" vs. "You guys want to tax Grandma after she's dead".

He suggests that those who are currently dependent on the welfare state would be grandfathered in, but the welfare state itself would cease to accept applications. In this way, we are effectively weening ourselves off the welfare state. I liked his method, as it only delays retirement for those who were banking on the welfare state in the future.

[Cochise]

If that were to happen, which I don't think it will, it would not favor the Dems IMO. I don't think people are going to respond to their pledge to raise everyone's taxes. I don't think people are going to respond to their amnesty platform. I don't think that people are going to be receptive to their nationalized health care plan.

Their best route to a win is trying to convince people we need to retreat from Iraq, that it's a failure and we should abandon all the effort we've made there, and that Democrats are the party most capable of keeping the country safe, something they have never had much luck convincing people of before.

Key issues like Iraq, communist health care, and immigration are going to decide this. I don't think that taxes and the economy will play into it because the economy's doing well. When the economy is good, I don't think people vote the economy.

[Nightfyre]

I don't think that taxes and the economy will play into it because the economy's doing well. When the economy is good, I don't think people vote the economy.
I disagree.

[Cochise]

He suggests that those who are currently dependent on the welfare state would be grandfathered in, but the welfare state itself would cease to accept applications. In this way, we are effectively weening ourselves off the welfare state. I liked his method, as it only delays retirement for those who were banking on the welfare state in the future.

A step in the right direction for sure. But it will never happen.

We have a culture of government and election that depends on giveaways. What are you going to promise to give me, what's the other guy going to take away from me. You can't get elected today without presenting each voter with a gift basket full of pork.

People aren't through with big government. Through decades and decades Congress got them thirsty for the government teat. They think the government is the purveyor of services and meant to solve all their problems. Elections are to vote other people's money into your own pocket.

Can you imagine running on a platform like, "We're going to cut waste in government, and by that I mean by slashing all entitlement programs by 10% and lowering your taxes by 10%."

The candidate would get slaughtered. It would be like someone said, Grandma's eating dog food, Ethel can't turn on the heat in her house in Barrow Alaska, Al Gore would find some other bag lady who'd turn out to have well-to-do children, John Edwards would say that the candidate killed Christopher Reeve again... it would just be a constant barrage of "We give, he takes". And the public is too conditioned to know the difference.

[Adept Havelock]

Actually, I find Ron Paul's stance on this issue to be quite satisfactory to both sides.


He suggests that those who are currently dependent on the welfare state would be grandfathered in, but the welfare state itself would cease to accept applications. In this way, we are effectively weening ourselves off the welfare state. I liked his method, as it only delays retirement for those who were banking on the welfare state in the future.

It's certainly an innovative approach compared to some I've seen.

[dirk digler]

If that were to happen, which I don't think it will, it would not favor the Dems IMO. I don't think people are going to respond to their pledge to raise everyone's taxes. I don't think people are going to respond to their amnesty platform. I don't think that people are going to be receptive to their nationalized health care plan.

Their best route to a win is trying to convince people we need to retreat from Iraq, that it's a failure and we should abandon all the effort we've made there, and that Democrats are the party most capable of keeping the country safe, something they have never had much luck convincing people of before.

Key issues like Iraq, communist health care, and immigration are going to decide this. I don't think that taxes and the economy will play into it because the economy's doing well. When the economy is good, I don't think people vote the economy.

All good points Cochise except your last paragraph. I don't think the economy is doing well that is why I said it will trump national security\Iraq in the '08 elections. It is headed for a downturn and a possible recession.

Bush 1 got voted out because there was a recession and a Dem won. The same could happen again except the Bush voted out part.

[Cochise]

All good points Cochise except your last paragraph. I don't think the economy is doing well that is why I said it will trump national security\Iraq in the '08 elections. It is headed for a downturn and a possible recession.

What leads you to believe the economy is not doing well? Unemployment? Inflation? The markets?

If there is going to be a recession why hasn't it happened yet?

[dirk digler]

What leads you to believe the economy is not doing well? Unemployment? Inflation? The markets?

If there is going to be a recession why hasn't it happened yet?

I hear alot of talk about a possible recession and the banking industry and the home markets are taking a huge hit. The stock markets aren't doing well either but that happens. Also the devaluing of the dollar has me concerned as well.

Overall though it is just a gut feeling I have.

[Nightfyre]

A step in the right direction for sure. But it will never happen.

We have a culture of government and election that depends on giveaways. What are you going to promise to give me, what's the other guy going to take away from me. You can't get elected today without presenting each voter with a gift basket full of pork.

People aren't through with big government. Through decades and decades Congress got them thirsty for the government teat. They think the government is the purveyor of services and meant to solve all their problems. Elections are to vote other people's money into your own pocket.

Can you imagine running on a platform like, "We're going to cut waste in government, and by that I mean by slashing all entitlement programs by 10% and lowering your taxes by 10%."

The candidate would get slaughtered. It would be like someone said, Grandma's eating dog food, Ethel can't turn on the heat in her house in Barrow Alaska, Al Gore would find some other bag lady who'd turn out to have well-to-do children, John Edwards would say that the candidate killed Christopher Reeve again... it would just be a constant barrage of "We give, he takes". And the public is too conditioned to know the difference.

I agree and I chalk this scenario up to the disconnect in taxation and spending. People are just starting to feel the consequences of the "governments giving." It won't be until it is too late that they do feel it, and even then, I suspect the public (as a mass) is incapable of learning from their mistakes when the effect is so distant from the cause. That and there will be all sorts of people attributing it to something completely that is a side-effect of deficit spending or completely irrelevant all together.

Disclaimer:
Again, this is all just my opinion, rooted in the philosophy that pay-as-you-go taxation concepts only applied to the renewal cycle of the transactions.

[BucEyedPea]

KISS

I have the same gut feel Dirk.
I think it will be stagflation.

[Nightfyre]

What leads you to believe the economy is not doing well? Unemployment? Inflation? The markets?

If there is going to be a recession why hasn't it happened yet?
The housing markets are losing tons of money and the dollar lost about 12% year-to-date as of the last time I checked (like a week ago.) Deficit spending is also at an all-time high, much of that money is being wasted (amendment for pat.) spent on disposable government goods used for the war in Iraq, artificially inflating our GDP using debt. The fed insists its job is to "make sure banks are safe and sound," so they continue to pump liquidity into the banks in order to help them overcome the bursting housing markets, which devalues the dollar more, and in turn, worker wages, salaries and savings.

[Stewie]

Nov. 15th, 2007 will be a day of reckoning. That's the day all these banks have to come clean about their OTC derivatives. No more "Mark to Model," it's now "Mark to Market." That is, they cannot hide behind accounting gimmicks. The problem lies in the fact that when there's no "market" for your CDOs and other derivative garbage, how do you put lipstick on a several $billion "investment" pig that's basically worthless?

[Cochise]

I hear alot of talk about a possible recession and the banking industry and the home markets are taking a huge hit. The stock markets aren't doing well either but that happens. Also the devaluing of the dollar has me concerned as well.

Overall though it is just a gut feeling I have.

The economy turned down (well, perhaps expressing that imprecisely) in 1998, and things weren't in recession conditions. And this economy hasn't turned down yet.

It's possible, and corrections are needed from time to time. It's not a huge disaster when that happens. I just don't think this is going to be the catastrophe that contrarian elements are hoping for.

[Pitt Gorilla]

It's also an issue that no candidate is talking about, and that's what pisses me off. Ron Paul by far has said the most about the economy, but if you don't like what he says, you're kinda screwed.

People like Hillary and McCain bring it up but never really provide any solutions to the problem.I was talking to my wife about this last night. We saw 2 Romney, 2 Thompson, 1 Hillary, and 1 Edwards commercial in a 10 minute span. None of them said anything about the economy, while the previous news story was about the significant decline in consumer confidence and it's impact on Christmas spending. At some point, the economy has to be an issue.

[dirk digler]

The economy turned down (well, perhaps expressing that imprecisely) in 1998, and things weren't in recession conditions. And this economy hasn't turned down yet.

It's possible, and corrections are needed from time to time. It's not a huge disaster when that happens. I just don't think this is going to be the catastrophe that contrarian elements are hoping for.

I am not predicting a catastrophe and I hope that doesn't happen but I think we are headed for a downturn.

I found this and I thought it was pretty interesting.

Recession in 2008 is a Real Possibility, Scholar Says

If history repeats itself, expect a recession in 2008, says John Makin, a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank.

U.S. house prices are falling at an annual rate of nearly 4 percent, Makin says – an event not seen since the Great Depression – and the downward trend is accelerating. Over the past half century, he said, every U.S. housing downturn as sharp the current one has translated into a recession.

“The credit crunch that has emerged since late July is a clear signal of a move closer to recession,” Makin said. “Tighter credit conditions mean that the drag on the U.S. economy will soon spread beyond the housing sector to affect consumption and investment decisions.”

Makin believes that U.S. credit problems are deeply entrenched because they spring from a securitization trend in the mortgage market – the construction and sale of securities whose intrinsic value is tied to the assumption that U.S. house prices will never fall.
Writing in The Wall Street Journal in September, Makin said the sharp rise in uncertainty tied to an extraordinary and unanticipated unwinding of the securitization of claims on mortgage issuers and other debts has caused segments of the credit sector, like asset backed commercial paper, to “virtually cease functioning.”

[dirk digler]

At some point, the economy has to be an issue.

It will once more people start losing their homes and jobs.

One of my best friends just lost his house and I just got news from him that he is being laid off come Jan 4th. That really really sucks and I feel sorry for him and his family.

[banyon]

Rudy is prepared to handle this contingency. /recxjake


Ron Paul brought this dirty little secret to light and he alone can fix it with a heavy dose of freedom and a return to the gold standard. Here's the video. /Taco John


Yeah, Ron Paul! Let's meetup. /chorus of adoring members


Just as I've been predicting all along. This plays right into the hands of Fred Thompson. People are going to want a grownup to clean up this mess. /Mr. Kotter


What do you mean the economy's bad? /patteeu

Hey! I want in. Don't I bitch and moan about the economy enough to warrant inclusion? :harumph:

[Pitt Gorilla]

Can you imagine running on a platform like, "We're going to cut waste in government, and by that I mean by slashing all entitlement programs by 10% and lowering your taxes by 10%." .I'd take it. Throw in some leaving-Iraq savings, and you'd really win me over.

[patteeu]

Hey! I want in. Don't I bitch and moan about the economy enough to warrant inclusion? :harumph:

How about this:

The economy will be stimulated into recovery after John Edwards' first post-inaugural haircut. /banyon

[Hydrae]

I don't know if it is that I spend too much time reading here in the DC forum or what but I have been really starting to feel like we are on a runaway train in general. I don't know whether it is the "war" in the ME or the continuing downward cycle of the dollar or what but I have a feeling of impending doom. Not in the next year but certainly in the next 5-10 years.

This is starting to worry me. I don't know why I feel this way but my gut is telling me that before the end of my life this world is going to be very different than the one I was born into in 1960. I think humanity will be better for it in the long run but it may be a rough 50-100 years.

[BucEyedPea]

Well Hyrdae, we were supposedly in a similar situation in the 70's based on what I read...and we're still here. Yup! Even the dollar was in crisis. If that makes ya' feel better.

[banyon]

How about this:

The economy will be stimulated into recovery after John Edwards' first post-inaugural haircut. /banyon

Not one of your better efforts, but that's what I get asking for leftovers. :)

[patteeu]

Not one of your better efforts, but that's what I get asking for leftovers. :)

I couldn't really think of any stereotypical way that you pimp your candidate.

[dirk digler]

Damn I'm smart


http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/11/economy.poll.schneider/index.html?iref=werecommend

Poll: Economy outpaces war on list of voters' worrie

From Bill Schneider
CNN senior political analyst


DES MOINES, Iowa (CNN) -- The 2004 election was about terrorism. The 2006 election was about Iraq.
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As the stock market continues to suffer losses, the economy is now the top issue in the presidential race.

What's the big issue going to be for 2008?

Remember "the economy, stupid"? That was in 1992 -- the last time the U.S. had an economic election. Another Bush, another Clinton, and that year the nation experienced an economic downturn.

Now, for the first time in more than four years, a majority of Americans, 57 percent, believe the nation is in a recession, according to a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll released Tuesday.

The poll's margin of error on that question was plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

The economy is now the biggest issue in the presidential campaign. Twenty-nine percent of poll respondents said the economy was their top issue, compared with 23 percent who listed the Iraq war -- a reversal from October's results, when 28 percent listed the war and 22 percent pointed to the economy.

Rounding out the list of top five issues, health care was the top issue for 20 percent of respondents, illegal immigration was the most important issue for 14 percent and terrorism was the key issue for 10 percent.

The poll's margin of error on the top issues was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Is the economy really that bad? Democrats say yes.

"I'd describe the economy as kind of a trap door where you're one medical diagnosis or a pink slip or a missed mortgage payment away from dropping through and losing everything," said Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, the front-runner in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Republicans prefer to look at the big picture.

"What country has had more success in creating a society of fairness and decency, in creating a society in which people move out of poverty, in which people have social mobility, have a chance to succeed?" said former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, one of the leading candidates for the Republican presidential nomination.

Undoubtedly true, but what about gas prices, home foreclosures, lagging wages and stock market jitters?

Can Republicans look to national security to save them? Terrorism -- Giuliani's issue -- ranks fifth in importance out of five issues right now.

The security situation in Iraq may be improving, although that, too, is in dispute.

"The senator from New York, Sen. Clinton, said, quote, 'I would have to suspend disbelief in order to believe that the surge is working,' " said Sen. John McCain of Arizona, another Republican presidential hopeful. "Well, anyone today would have to suspend disbelief to not believe that the surge is working."

But there's no evidence of any increase in public support for the war in Iraq. According to the poll, 69 percent, the highest number yet, want to withdraw some or all U.S. troops.

There's been some good news about Iran. A National Intelligence Estimate finds that Iran may have halted its nuclear weapons program for the time being.

But that news may not do Republicans much good. Nearly half of Americans, 54 percent, believe the Bush administration deliberately misled them about whether Iran was attempting to develop nuclear weapons. The poll's margin of error on that question was plus-or-minus 4.5 percent.

President Bush's job approval is 32 percent. No wonder Republicans as well as Democrats are trying to run as agents of change. E-mail to a friend E-mail to a friend

[SBK]

Damn I'm smart

I've said this on a few other threads as well. Anyone thinking Iraq is going to determine the Prez is sorely mistaken. Raising taxes in a bad economy won't play either.....

[dirk digler]

I've said this on a few other threads as well. Anyone thinking Iraq is going to determine the Prez is sorely mistaken. Raising taxes in a bad economy won't play either.....

Yep I think very shortly we are going back to "Its the economy stupid"

[BucEyedPea]

I think the economy will be a big deal, but war plays into the economy being bad too. Contrary to myth, war harms an economy. It only benefits certain sectors. And a " long war" is more of a drain. Vietnam contributed to stagflation in the 70's too. Act like the British Empire die like it too—————> bankruptcy!

Still, I don't think the lies on Iraq and now Iran will help the GOP...'er the ones that sound like Bush that is.

[Amnorix]

The economy seems very shaky at the moment, with alot of systemic issues that won't be easily resolved.

The economy may well dominate in 2008.

[Amnorix]

I've said this on a few other threads as well. Anyone thinking Iraq is going to determine the Prez is sorely mistaken. Raising taxes in a bad economy won't play either.....

Raising taxes never plays.

Cutting entitlements never plays.

Sooner or later, one or the other must happen. It's unavodable. Let's hope some politicians get some testicular fortitude and work out soemthing sooner instead of later, when it will only hurt more.

[patteeu]

Damn I'm smart

This guy (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=4431443&highlight=I+don%27t+tend+to+be+very+smart#post4431443) doesn't agree with you.

[dirk digler]

This guy (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=4431443&highlight=I+don%27t+tend+to+be+very+smart#post4431443) doesn't agree with you.

That is my twin brother

[The Rick]

I have started to think that the economy will bypass National Security and Iraq as the top issue come election time.

Basically there is alot of bad news about the economy especially about banks and the housing industry. Consumer confidence continues to slide and there is talk of a possible recession. Throw in the real possibility of $4-$5 a gallon for gas and things aren't looking so rosy.

Discuss.
I agree and that's the reason I'm supporting Ron Paul. I think he matches up to my opinions the best when it comes to the economy, government spending, and taxes.

[patteeu]

I agree and that's the reason I'm supporting Ron Paul. I think he matches up to my opinions the best when it comes to the economy, government spending, and taxes.

He matches up with my opinions on those things too, but there is no autopilot for foreign policy.

[KCJohnny]

IMO, the reporting on this issue is a backdoor way of acknowledging that counterinsurgency operations in Iraq are succeeding, but the MSM doesn't want to make too big a deal out of that. After all, the democrats bet the farm on the defeat of American forces there.

So, quick, change the subject!

[Taco John]

IMO, the reporting on this issue is a backdoor way of acknowledging that counterinsurgency operations in Iraq are succeeding, but the MSM doesn't want to make too big a deal out of that. After all, the democrats bet the farm on the defeat of American forces there.

So, quick, change the subject!



Um, no. The reporting on the financial issues is because there are some serious fundamental problems with our economy, and we're facing recession because we borrow too much and produce too little.

Also, Americans simply don't care about Iraq, except for the general feeling that Americans wished we didn't make the mistake of going in. It's wonderful that we've managed to decrease the violence there, and God bless those who sacrificed their families and lives to do it. But for their sake, I hope that they're getting something out of it, because the Iraqis seem to be taking it for granted.

Let me ask you a serious question: if the Iraqis elect Muqtada Al Sadr as their president, will it have been worth the deaths of the friends you had there? Because I personally don't think it will be, and I don't feel that this is an anti-troop, or even anti-American opinion. In fact, I reject the notion that I'm anti-either.

[chagrin]

I have started to think that the economy will bypass National Security and Iraq as the top issue come election time.


Newsflash - that's the reality of every single election - ever.

[Mr. Kotter]

Could be, but I doubt it (hope not).... I think immigration will be big too.

[dirk digler]

Top Issues from entrance polls

Republicans
1. Immigration
2. Economy
3. WOT
4. Iraq

Dems
1. Economy
2 Iraq
3. Healthcare

[Mr. Kotter]

Economy will top the issue list, IF, as oldandslow has said....gas prices reach $4, by June.

If that happens, any Republican candidate will be hard pressed to beat Obama. :)

[dirk digler]

Economy will top the issue list, IF, as oldandslow has said....gas prices reach $4, by June.

If that happens, any Republican candidate will be hard pressed to beat Obama. :)

Couldn't agree more

Time to get on the Obama bandwagon Rob :p

[Mr. Kotter]

Couldn't agree more

Time to get on the Obama bandwagon Rob :p

Presently, Barak is my second choice.... :)

Though, policy "compromises" during a general by Obama....could cause me to switch to the Rep nominee.

:hmmm:

[dirk digler]

Damn I am smart

62% say the economy is the #1 issue

[BucEyedPea]

Damn I am smart

62% say the economy is the #1 issue

Change your name to Mr. Cleo. :D

[dirk digler]

Change your name to Mr. Cleo. :D

I can't believe I created this thread almost 1 year ago and I pretty much nailed it.

I hate to brag.. :)

[Pitt Gorilla]

IMO, the reporting on this issue is a backdoor way of acknowledging that counterinsurgency operations in Iraq are succeeding, but the MSM doesn't want to make too big a deal out of that. After all, the democrats bet the farm on the defeat of American forces there.

So, quick, change the subject!Good Lord, some people are stupid.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I was talking to my wife about this last night. We saw 2 Romney, 2 Thompson, 1 Hillary, and 1 Edwards commercial in a 10 minute span. None of them said anything about the economy, while the previous news story was about the significant decline in consumer confidence and it's impact on Christmas spending. At some point, the economy has to be an issue.This.

:)

[dirk digler]

This.

:)

Good call Pitt. And yes KCJohnny has just been proven once again to be an idiot. :thumb:

[RJ]

Top Issues from entrance polls

Republicans
1. Immigration
2. Economy
3. WOT
4. Iraq

Dems
1. Economy
2 Iraq
3. Healthcare



And when is the last time we saw immigration come up in a debate?

Not that it isn't an important issue, but it's funny how much can change in 10 short months.

[Carlota69]

10% think Iraq is most important. Of those people, 36% say they voted MCCain. 63% say they voted for Obama.

[dirk digler]

And when is the last time we saw immigration come up in a debate?

Not that it isn't an important issue, but it's funny how much can change in 10 short months.

Immigration was an important issue especially with me but neither candidate talked about it but the economic meltdown pretty much dominated this election.

[Carlota69]

Immigration was an important issue especially with me but neither candidate talked about it but the economic meltdown pretty much dominated this election.

I heard it was a heated issue in the hispanic community. Both candidates ran lots of TV ads, but in spanish and in the So West only.

[DaneMcCloud]

I can't believe I created this thread almost 1 year ago and I pretty much nailed it.

I hate to brag.. :)

Why you arrogant...

Oh wait.

That's me.

Great job, Dirk!

NostroDirkus.

[Baby Lee]

I stand here, flabbergasted, that with all the microexamination of 'lies' and 'distortions' that this campaign underwent, Obama got the biggest and baldest one through with no examination and it proved dispositive in the election.

To lay the economic troubles of the credit crunch on 'McCain's record of deregulation' has to be the most blindly accepted bald lie ever hatched.

Can't blame him for running with it, it got him the presidency.

[Velvet_Jones]

I stand here, flabbergasted, that with all the microexamination of 'lies' and 'distortions' that this campaign underwent, Obama got the biggest and baldest one through with no examination and it proved dispositive in the election.

To lay the economic troubles of the credit crunch on 'McCain's record of deregulation' has to be the most blindly accepted bald lie ever hatched.

Can't blame him for running with it, it got him the presidency.

The real issue is that now Frank, Dodd and others will get a free pass for creating the giant cluster fvck that is Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac.

I am disappointed in the American people but more disappointed in the media who gave Obama a pass on just about everything since the primaries ended.

[BucEyedPea]

NostroDirkus.

ROFL :D