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ROYC75
11-13-2007, 12:33 PM
http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/10468975

Dodd's Heisman Watch
1. Tim Tebow, Florida
2. Dennis Dixon, Oregon
3. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
4. Chase Daniel, Missouri
5. Todd Reesing, Kansas

Before the moment passes, let's get one thing straight.

Kansas is No. 1.

Sure, the BCS and polls say something different, but take it from someone who has seen all the contenders. Oregon might be playing the best. LSU probably has the best athletes. Kansas deserves to be at the top.

In the craziest fall since the 2000 election season, being undefeated should speak loudest. Ask W. All these wacky upsets and KU -- that's what we call it here in Kansas -- is the only BCS conference team sporting a bagel, a doughnut.

Zero, as in number of losses.

That counts most in this season when top five mob hits have abounded. As someone who has lived 30 miles from the campus for the past 26 years, I can't believe I'm writing this, but it's true:

The stadium that once was the venue for a Huey Lewis and the News concert (what, you missed Hawkstock '83?) is the home of the No. 1 team in the country. Or should be in this week's Horse and Buggy Bowl.

Kansas hasn't been 10-0 since 1899. Iowa State last won a conference title (shared, actually, in the Missouri Valley) in 1912.

The winner gets free lamp oil for a year.

Football really isn't that antiquated at Kansas. They've been playing there since 1890, a year before that Naismith guy nailed up his first peach basket.

But almost never like this. What does No. 1 mean? It means Kansas didn't blow a 13-lead lead to what is now a three-loss Kentucky (as LSU did). Kansas didn't blow a 17-point lead and lose to a currently 5-6 Colorado (as Oklahoma did). Its only loss isn't to a Cal team that has lost four of the past five and dropped out of the rankings. But Oregon's is.

The Jayhawks, though, have won them all.

We will entertain your argument regarding Kansas and Hawaii, but not Kansas and the other one-loss teams. It's a short argument. Hawaii plays in the WAC, enough said. Kansas plays in the Big 12, which is sporting three top six teams at the moment.

If it gets to a BCS bowl, Hawaii will have beaten one ranked team (Boise State), survived San Jose State in overtime and conquered two I-AAs. If Kansas gets to New Orleans, it will have finished up by beating two top six teams -- Missouri and Oklahoma.

That's two more top 10 teams than Ohio State will face in getting to the national championship game. What's that? The Buckeyes lost to Illinois? There goes another one-loss pretender.

College football is the only sport where 10 decades of tradition count more than 10 weeks of excellence. Humans still hold the most sway over the process. And the humans who vote in the polls sure have blown it on this one. A large portion couldn't spell Todd Reesing, much less know how much heart is beating under that crimson-and-blue jersey of the Kansas quarterback. They probably don't know that Marcus Henry has turned out to be every bit the receiver that LSU's Early Doucet is.

One is all-anonymous. The other was preseason All-SEC.

That's part of college football's good old boys club. It doesn't readily admit new members, much less admit they can actually play tackle football at such far-flung outposts as Lawrence. There are some folks in Baton Rouge who couldn't tell you what conference Kansas is in.

Didn't we learn from Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl that any team can win anywhere? Haven't we learned from the past three months?

Your next argument will be about strength of schedule. Because of the Big 12 schedule rotation, Kansas doesn't play Oklahoma or Texas this regular season. So what? Like we said, it's going to be decided on the field. Kansas will likely play Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game if it stays on course. Texas already has lost by 20 at home to Kansas State, a team that lost by 42 to Nebraska on Saturday.

So what are we talking about here? A soft non-conference schedule? Mark Mangino wasn't trying to massage a national championship run when he put this schedule together. He was trying to get to a bowl game, keep his job. It worked for Bill Snyder. Kansas State's former coach played non-conference schedules far easier than this one, and look what it got him -- a top 10 program and a Big 12 title in 2003.

Take out the magnifying glass, and KU's non-conference opponents aren't exactly eight-man football either.

Central Michigan won the MAC last season and is in the MAC title game this season. KU beat the Chips by 45. The Jayhawks lost last season at Toledo in overtime. They won the return game two months ago, but the point is this: How many Big Ten teams in the area have played at Toledo lately? Let's check: Hmmm, there have been two this decade.

Wonder why? Major-college teams are 2-3 at Toledo since 2000.

Southeastern Louisiana and Florida International we'll give you. But don't just blame Kansas. Teams have been falling all over themselves trying to get FIU on the schedule. In the past two seasons, the Golden Panthers have taken guarantee checks from Penn State, Miami and Texas Tech as well.

Nevertheless, the Jayhawks are not going to fluke their way to New Orleans. As mentioned, they are going to earn it. If everyone wins out, all indications are that the Jayhawks, currently No. 3 in the BCS, are going to vault into the top two.

Any problem with a 13-0 Big 12 champion as the only major-college undefeated team playing for it all? There had better not be, because it has never not happened.

You wonder how Harvard on the Kaw is going to deal with it. It's a basketball school. That will never change. Naismith's grave is tucked away humbly in the back of a modest cemetery in Lawrence. But if you visit this week, you will notice that the ground around the site has been disturbed. Obviously Ol' James himself has been tossing and turning lately.

The last time KU was 10-0 in football, basketball was just starting up on campus, with Naismith as the first coach.

Since then, Kansas has become famous for a lot of other things. If you've got 45 minutes, I'm sure someone will think of one.

Right now, though, it's the center of the football universe.

No. 1 with a bullet -- usually from Reesing to Henry.

ROYC75
11-13-2007, 12:35 PM
Time to ruffle some more of the Tiggers stripes ......:D

BTW, I liked this pic........ funnystuff.
http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/football/college/img10468998.jpg

Molitoth
11-13-2007, 12:42 PM
Decent read.

StcChief
11-13-2007, 12:42 PM
This BS will be over on 24th can't wait.

Mr. Laz
11-13-2007, 12:47 PM
it's true ...... while KU is probably not the best team they should be the #1 ranked right now.


undefeated in the big 12 :shrug:

pikesome
11-13-2007, 12:49 PM
This BS will be over on 24th can't wait.

Me too. Of course I want a KU win but if the Jayhawks lose, so be it. MU isn't a bunch of slouches, they're playing damn good ball too. Either way the question will be settled vis-a-vi the Big12 North. I just hope whoever goes from the North beats Oklahoma.

HypnotizedMonkey
11-13-2007, 12:52 PM
White Owl agrees. *does the White Owl Dance!*

Baby Lee
11-13-2007, 12:52 PM
http://www.wildhorsebooks.com/Plans/Thompson/tip%20cart.gif
http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/greeks/religion/pictures/horse.jpg&usg=AFQjCNF5N3GoiNil-luuJhcojEZCleD4Nw

Sure-Oz
11-13-2007, 12:54 PM
Beat #6 MU, crown as #1 id think they'd earn it at that point, given they'd be undefeated still...right now, no.

Cochise
11-13-2007, 12:55 PM
ROFL

Brock
11-13-2007, 12:56 PM
OHMGZ NOES, more KU arrogance!

Basileus777
11-13-2007, 12:56 PM
They shouldn't be #1 right now, they have no quality wins. But if they beat Missouri and Oklahoma, they deserve to be #1.

pikesome
11-13-2007, 12:57 PM
http://www.wildhorsebooks.com/Plans/Thompson/tip%20cart.gif
http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/greeks/religion/pictures/horse.jpg&usg=AFQjCNF5N3GoiNil-luuJhcojEZCleD4Nw

It worked for Ohio... oh wait. Yes but it's fun to talk. There can't be a Jawhawk who thought we'd really be having this conversation a year ago. Hell, a couple months ago (look up the KU 10-2 thread) a lot of us thought it was crazy talk.

Mr. Laz
11-13-2007, 12:57 PM
Beat #6 MU, crown as #1 id think they'd earn it at that point, given they'd be undefeated still...right now, no.
the only undefeated team in a BCS conference deserves to be ranked #1 even if they aren't considered the best team.



doesn't bother me that they aren't ...... the year has already exceeded any expectation i could of ever had.


if it was a team with any kind of history of being good at football they would be ranked #1 right now.

Lzen
11-13-2007, 01:04 PM
the only undefeated team in a BCS conference deserves to be ranked #1 even if they are considered the best team.



doesn't bother me that they aren't ...... the year has already exceeded any expectation i could of every had.


if it was a team with any kind of history of being good at football they would be ranked #1 right now.

Good post. I agree with that.

I thought about posting this article but figured the Tigger fans would get into a tizzy about it. So, I didn't post it. I am like BL, though. I don't even wanna think about a title before we play MU. See how that game goes and then go from there.

Basileus777
11-13-2007, 01:09 PM
There is a double stanard though. OSU was #1 and they had played a cupcake schedule as well. Buts that because they are Ohio State and Kansas is Kansas.

Kansas deserves to be #1 if they end the season undefeated.

Ari Chi3fs
11-13-2007, 01:16 PM
Heh.

HemiEd
11-13-2007, 01:17 PM
Nice article!











Where is Tim? :)

Pitt Gorilla
11-13-2007, 01:23 PM
I don't see MU folks being upset by this. In fact, it helps our cause. If MU beats K-State, and then KU, we will deserve the #1 or #2 ranking based on the fact that we were top 5 and just knocked out the "#1" team. However, we still have to take care of business at KSU (no easy task).

Brock
11-13-2007, 01:25 PM
I don't see MU folks being upset by this. In fact, it helps our cause. If MU beats K-State, and then KU, we will deserve the #1 or #2 ranking based on the fact that we were top 5 and just knocked out the "#1" team. However, we still have to take care of business at KSU (no easy task).

Absolutely, it's great for both teams.

ROYC75
11-13-2007, 01:26 PM
Meh, I take them 1 game at a time, KU-MU will take care of itself on the field.

Here's some good B12 news .... KU, MU, Texas and OU stuff.

http://www.sportsline.com/columns/weblogs/entry/10447991

Keep reading on down, about half way down , all the way to the bottom. Talks about where each team is act, whats ahead, projections, etc.

Sure-Oz
11-13-2007, 01:28 PM
I don't see MU folks being upset by this. In fact, it helps our cause. If MU beats K-State, and then KU, we will deserve the #1 or #2 ranking based on the fact that we were top 5 and just knocked out the "#1" team. However, we still have to take care of business at KSU (no easy task).
Agreed, i'll take that.

ROYC75
11-13-2007, 01:30 PM
I wonder how pissed off the Kittens are going to be after NU ?

KU scores 70 + points on NU
NU scores 70+ points on KSU
KSU scores ? points on MU?

RockChalk
11-13-2007, 01:44 PM
There can't be a Jawhawk who thought we'd really be having this conversation a year ago. Hell, a couple months ago (look up the KU 10-2 thread) a lot of us thought it was crazy talk.

I was secretly dreaming/hoping for a 9-10 win season. I actually said on another message board that Mangino should be fired if we don't pull out at least 8 wins. The rest of this season is just gravy as far as I am concerned.

The best part about this whole thing is think how much pub Misery would be getting if we weren't undefeated. KU has been stealing their press all season and I'm loving every minute of it. :)

Sure-Oz
11-13-2007, 01:46 PM
I was secretly dreaming/hoping for a 9-10 win season. I actually said on another message board that Mangino should be fired if we don't pull out at least 8 wins. The rest of this season is just gravy as far as I am concerned.

The best part about this whole thing is think how much pub Misery would be getting if we weren't undefeated. KU has been stealing their press all season and I'm loving every minute of it. :)
It's great because if both teams do their job this weekend, MU can steal all of that the following weekend, that will make me very happy. :)

GoHuge
11-13-2007, 01:52 PM
Their strength of schedule hasn't been very good, but they have smoked everybody in their path. The only game that KU was even challenged was against my Wildcats before they decided to suck shit. LSU has lost once, and almost lost two other times. Regardless of how it finishes KU has been nails this year. If they beat Missouri they could give OU all they can handle. I'm 50-50 on both games. I really have no idea who will win either one. Call it growing up, maturing, or I don't know what but I find myself rooting for KU. I hope they win the whole damn thing! It would be great for the state of Kansas and especially the Big 12 North.

beer bacon
11-13-2007, 02:04 PM
I wonder how pissed off the Kittens are going to be after NU ?

KU scores 70 + points on NU
NU scores 70+ points on KSU
KSU scores ? points on MU?

KSU was really angry after getting upset by ISU. It showed against NU.

beer bacon
11-13-2007, 02:06 PM
Their strength of schedule hasn't been very good, but they have smoked everybody in their path. The only game that KU was even challenged was against my Wildcats before they decided to suck shit. LSU has lost once, and almost lost two other times. Regardless of how it finishes KU has been nails this year. If they beat Missouri they could give OU all they can handle. I'm 50-50 on both games. I really have no idea who will win either one. Call it growing up, maturing, or I don't know what but I find myself rooting for KU. I hope they win the whole damn thing! It would be great for the state of Kansas and especially the Big 12 North.

Kansas has smoked everyone in their path?

30-24
19-14
19-11

Sure-Oz
11-13-2007, 02:14 PM
Kansas has smoked everyone in their path?

30-24
19-14
19-11
You're supposed to count the imaginary points they were SUPPOSED to score.

Pitt Gorilla
11-13-2007, 02:19 PM
I was secretly dreaming/hoping for a 9-10 win season. I actually said on another message board that Mangino should be fired if we don't pull out at least 8 wins. The rest of this season is just gravy as far as I am concerned.

The best part about this whole thing is think how much pub Misery would be getting if we weren't undefeated. KU has been stealing their press all season and I'm loving every minute of it. :)I guess I haven't noticed the "stolen press." I certainly don't think anyone would claim that MU deserves the top slot right now. I think MU is getting the same amount of press as they would get regardless of KU's ranking. Like I said, if MU wins out, it can only help.

The amount of press certainly hasn't hurt our recruiting any.

GoHuge
11-13-2007, 03:07 PM
Kansas has smoked everyone in their path?

30-24
19-14
19-11They've covered the spread in every game they've played this year. As a K-State Alum I'm not going to sit hear and defend KU, just saying they've left little doubt in most their games. The simple matter of fact is they've won them all.

Calcountry
11-13-2007, 03:20 PM
it's true ...... while KU is probably not the best team they should be the #1 ranked right now.


undefeated in the big 12 :shrug:Probably better for them that they are not. Better to have that Chip on their shoulder going into the Missouri game.

mikeyis4dcats.
11-13-2007, 04:34 PM
Dennis Dudd....

KU shouldn't be #1 until they prove themselves. If they beat MU handily, they should be. Otherwise they will be stuck at #2.

Bearcat
11-13-2007, 05:13 PM
Eh... We should just have a Mizzou and Kansas repository/forum until the game is actually played. Not that I can't help clicking on the threads... it's just with the Chiefs stuck in mediocrity, it's all that there is to talk about. Hmmm... I guess we should have kept it the Jayhawk Lounge and created a seperate forum for the Chiefs :)

Anyway, that said, the last time Kansas was getting this much press, they were playing Syracuse... I read every article about the Final 4 and NC game, and can't do that again. They'll probably lose to Iowa State, or MU will lose to KSU, or the MU/KU game won't be the huge matchup it's supposed to be and someone will win by 40. Whatever happens, at least the Big 12 supremacy will be settled on the field.

I agree with what he said about SoS... people talk like Kansas expected to be here after scheduling soft teams.

ROYC75
11-13-2007, 05:44 PM
Eh... We should just have a Mizzou and Kansas repository/forum until the game is actually played. Not that I can't help clicking on the threads... it's just with the Chiefs stuck in mediocrity, it's all that there is to talk about. Hmmm... I guess we should have kept it the Jayhawk Lounge and created a seperate forum for the Chiefs :)

Anyway, that said, the last time Kansas was getting this much press, they were playing Syracuse... I read every article about the Final 4 and NC game, and can't do that again. They'll probably lose to Iowa State, or MU will lose to KSU, or the MU/KU game won't be the huge matchup it's supposed to be and someone will win by 40. Whatever happens, at least the Big 12 supremacy will be settled on the field.

I agree with what he said about SoS... people talk like Kansas expected to be here after scheduling soft teams.


I'll damn sure tell ya that you will find very few people who would have told you this at the start of the year.

Reaper16
11-13-2007, 06:25 PM
Give 'em #1. They're undefeated, for now. It's good for both schools.

barry_smilez20
11-13-2007, 06:31 PM
im pulling for the manginos but they wont be OU

eazyb81
11-13-2007, 06:48 PM
I think it's obvious that they should be #1 at this point, they are the lone BCS conference team that is still undefeated.

sedated
11-13-2007, 07:13 PM
You're supposed to count the imaginary points they were SUPPOSED to score.

thrashings or not, they dominated everyone except KSU.

And KSU was a young team's first road game, for a team that has sucked dick on the road forever, against a team that had just beaten a top 10 team the week before.

Frazod
11-13-2007, 07:17 PM
11 more days.....

Ultra Peanut
11-13-2007, 07:24 PM
TEBOW HAS ANOREXIC

BWillie
11-13-2007, 10:15 PM
Tim Tebow would win the Heisman by a landslide if I was the one voting. The guy is sick. Who cares if he's a sophomore. Florida has only lost 3 freaking games, big deal. For the love of god Tebow has 43 touchdowns this year. Dixon only has 28 TDs, less rushing yards, less passing yards, and a lower QB rating than Tebow.

The only player who has a better QB rating that Tebow is Sam Bradford of OU. It would be worth tanking it next year for Tebow for the Chiefs,..why not?