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Que Card QB
11-18-2007, 10:34 AM
I was just curious to see how bad KU's schedule was compared to MU's. Agree or disagree with my assessment? If so why?

MU
September 1 at Illinois
September 8 at Mississippi
September 15 Western Michigan
September 22 Illinois State
October 6 No. 25 Nebraska
October 13 at No. 6 Oklahoma
October 20 No. 24 Texas Tech
October 27 Iowa State
November 3 at Colorado
November 10 Texas A&M
November 17 at Kansas State
November 24 at No. 3 Kansas

KU
September 1 Central Michigan
September 8 Southeastern Louisiana
September 15 Toledo
September 22 Florida International
October 6 at No. 24 Kansas State
October 13 Baylor
October 20 at Colorado
October 27 at Texas A&M
November 3 Nebraska
November 10 at Oklahoma State
November 17 Iowa State
November 24 No. 5 Missouri


MU vs KU respectively

Illinois vs, Cent. MI = +1 MU--Although one might say luckily, never the less, a W is a W.
Miss. vs. SE LA. = +1 MU--On the road.
W. Mich. vs. Toledo = +1 KU--I'm giving a slight edge to Toledo but this is arguably a wash.
Illinois St. vs. Fl. International = That's a two turds wash.
Nebraska vs. K-State = +1 KU--Although both opponents were ranked, KSU was coming of road win at Texas, and KU was on the road for their "first real test".
OU vs. Baylor = +1 MU
Texas Tech vs. CU = +1 KU--KU's "second real test" on the road.
ISU vs. A&M = +1 KU--Two road wins in a row at tough venues for KU's "if they can win there, they're for real" third test.
CU vs. NU = +1 MU--Despite an incredible performance by KU, the road performance goes to MU.
A&M vs. OSU = +1 KU--KU's "super-duper real road test" on prime time national t.v.
KSU vs. ISU = +1 MU on the road.

Survey says: +5 MU vs. +5 KU = Wash

Or if you like, give a wash to the W.Mich vs. Toledo games--MU +5 vs. KU +4 = MU +1.

kcchiefsus
11-18-2007, 10:38 AM
That's bullshit. You can't compare week by week.

The fact is, Missouri's SOS is much higher than Kansas'. One website I found has Missouri at 57 in SOS while Kansas was at 117.

No comparison at all between our schedules.

CoMoChief
11-18-2007, 10:38 AM
This isn't even an argument. KU doesn't play TX or OU this season and didn't even play any big conference teams in their non conference schedule.

MU's schedule isn't that great, but KU's is downright laughable.

KcMizzou
11-18-2007, 10:39 AM
I've never seen anyone compare schedules week by week, like that.

Odd way of looking at it.

siberian khatru
11-18-2007, 10:40 AM
It's a lot of effort to make a moot point. They play each other Saturday. The outcome of that game is all that matters.

DaKCMan AP
11-18-2007, 10:41 AM
Your method is full of fallacy. For example.

Team A vs Team B respectively
LSU vs Western Ky = +1 Team A
Oregon vs Illinois St = +1 Team A
Fla Atlantic vs Colorado = +1 Team B
Stanford vs Kentucky = +1 Team B

You're telling me that Team A and Team B's schedule is a wash?? Bullshit.

Bearcat
11-18-2007, 10:43 AM
Week one is like +20 compared to week two. Next?

Que Card QB
11-18-2007, 10:44 AM
That's bullshit. You can't compare week by week.

The fact is, Missouri's SOS is much higher than Kansas'. One website I found has Missouri at 57 in SOS while Kansas was at 117.

No comparison at all between our schedules.Doesn't the BCS take SOS into account?

Que Card QB
11-18-2007, 10:46 AM
This isn't even an argument. KU doesn't play TX or OU this season and didn't even play any big conference teams in their non conference schedule.

MU's schedule isn't that great, but KU's is downright laughable.Right, cuz beating TX or OU really means what this year? K-State and Colorado have wins against both those teams. At OSU and A&M are just as difficult as TX or OU, IMO.

kcchiefsus
11-18-2007, 10:49 AM
Right, cuz beating TX or OU really means what this year? K-State and Colorado have wins against both those teams. At OSU and A&M are just as difficult as TX or OU, IMO.

Well, your opinion is wrong. Neither of Oklahoma's losses came in Norman, now did they? I believe Oklahoma has only lost in Norman twice in the Bob Stoops era. So should the Tigers be blamed for losing in a place where NOBODY wins?

Que Card QB
11-18-2007, 10:50 AM
I've never seen anyone compare schedules week by week, like that.

Odd way of looking at it.My point isn't week to week, that's just a demonstration. I'd give a point to both teams the same way for each opponent regardless of when they played. Home/Away or First 4 games.

beer bacon
11-18-2007, 10:51 AM
Well, your opinion is wrong. Neither of Oklahoma's losses came in Norman, now did they? I believe Oklahoma has only lost in Norman twice in the Bob Stoops era. So should the Tigers be blamed for losing in a place where NOBODY wins?

Stoops has lost something like 2 games out of 100 in Norman. I doubt he has lost any on Homecoming.

kcchiefsus
11-18-2007, 10:54 AM
Stoops has lost something like 2 games out of 100 in Norman. I doubt he has lost any on Homecoming.

Exactly. And despite that, Missouri still should have won that game. Admittedly, they shot themselves in the foot and lost the game themselves.

But I almost guarantee KU would not have been in that game.

Frazod
11-18-2007, 10:54 AM
I've never seen anyone compare schedules week by week, like that.

Odd way of looking at it.

Not if you're a bullshit artist. :whackit:

Que Card QB
11-18-2007, 10:56 AM
Well, your opinion is wrong. Neither of Oklahoma's losses came in Norman, now did they? I believe Oklahoma has only lost in Norman twice in the Bob Stoops era. So should the Tigers be blamed for losing in a place where NOBODY wins?The Tigers got a point for the OU game. KU's South games were @ OSU and A&M, home against Baylor. MU's was @ OU, home against TTech and A&M. That's a wash to me. Two aways and one home vs. Two home and one away. Which is tougher, really? I say it's a wash.

NUMBER7
11-18-2007, 10:57 AM
[QUOTE=Que Card QB]I was just curious to see how bad KU's schedule was compared to MU's. Agree or disagree with my assessment? If so why?

It is irrelevant...http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm

The fate of these 2 teams will be determined on the field next week and the week following.

beer bacon
11-18-2007, 11:02 AM
KU's opponents' combined record: 47-75

MU's opponents' combined record: 61-63

Here are a couple others for reference:

LSU's: 66-55

WVU's: 53-57

kcchiefsus
11-18-2007, 11:11 AM
The Tigers got a point for the OU game. KU's South games were @ OSU and A&M, home against Baylor. MU's was @ OU, home against TTech and A&M. That's a wash to me. Two aways and one home vs. Two home and one away. Which is tougher, really? I say it's a wash.

You also have to look at how the teams performed against common opponents:

vs. Nebraska
MU: 41-6 = MU +35
KU: 76-39 = KU +37
advantage: KU

vs. K-State
MU: 49-32 = MU +17
KU: 30-24 = KU +6

vs. Colorado
MU: 55-10 = MU +45
KU: 19-14 = KU +5

vs. Texas A&M
MU: 40-26 = MU +14
KU: 19-11 = KU +8

vs. Iowa State
MU: 42-28 = MU +14
KU: 45-7 = KU +38

Overall
MU +125
KU +94

Advantage: Missouri

Que Card QB
11-18-2007, 11:21 AM
KU's opponents' combined record: 47-75

MU's opponents' combined record: 61-63

Here are a couple others for reference:

LSU's: 66-55

WVU's: 53-57What teams have a total of 14 wins more than KU's opponents? OU, IU, and TTech? I gave MU the nod for two of those. TTech at home isn't tougher than OSU on the road or A&M however you look at it.

Que Card QB
11-18-2007, 11:22 AM
You also have to look at how the teams performed against common opponents:

vs. Nebraska
MU: 41-6 = MU +35
KU: 76-39 = KU +37
advantage: KU

vs. K-State
MU: 49-32 = MU +17
KU: 30-24 = KU +6

vs. Colorado
MU: 55-10 = MU +45
KU: 19-14 = KU +5

vs. Texas A&M
MU: 40-26 = MU +14
KU: 19-11 = KU +8

vs. Iowa State
MU: 42-28 = MU +14
KU: 45-7 = KU +38

Overall
MU +125
KU +94

Advantage: MissouriI'm not comparing total points scored. That's more a measure of offensive production than SOS.