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CanadaKC
07-02-2001, 02:06 PM
I'm bored, and I know this is WAY TOO EARLY...but what position
do you think the Chiefs will address in next year's draft.
Let me put in three scenarios (for argument's sake):

1) The Chiefs finish 9-7, just out of the playoffs. The DB's play is the key downer, Priest Holmes is just average, and we still have trouble stopping the run. We pick around, say 15th overall.

2) Despite their efforts, the Chiefs finish (gulp) 4-12. We have trouble in a lot of areas, but get a very high pick (let's say top five). Gonzo contemplates (gulp again) asking for a change of scenery if big improvements aren't made in the off-season.

3) We suprise the league, and finish 10-6 despite the tough schedule, and are in the playoffs. Minnus shines, leaving questions about Morris' return. Holmes plays better than expected, but not good enough to get him to the pro-bowl.
The defense plays above their heads. We pick 25th.

Feel free to change my scenarios to your liking or disliking.
I'm just throwing it out there....

kcred
07-02-2001, 02:11 PM
I'll bite,

1) Look at the CB, DT, and OLB

2) RB or CB

3) BAA between DL, LB or WR

CanadaKC
07-02-2001, 02:30 PM
Here's some players I'm going to watch on the offensive side of the ball in college this year:

1) RB DeShaun Foster, UCLA. If he can put character issues behind him, he'll easily be a top five pick, and a dominant NFL back.

2) WR Antonio Bryant, Pittsburgh. 6'2" 195 lbs. Has all the qualities to be a stud receiver...size, speed, and hands. A rare talent (although any receiver named Antonio SCARES me:eek: )

3) WR Jabbar Gaffney, Florida. 6'1" 195 lbs. A dominant receiver
in the SEC. But a flag goes up about his character as well.

4) OT Bryant McKinnie, Miami, Fla. 6'8" 322 lbs. By far, the best
lineman in this 2002 class.

5) ***wildcard QB Drew Hensen, Michigan. Should he declare himself eligible for the 2002 draft. Could have gone numero uno this year.

keg in kc
07-02-2001, 03:10 PM
Regardless of our record for the year, I believe we'll address the following positions in 2002:

QB (draft) - we need a QBotF candidate, and next year's QB class looks very stong and very deep
RB (draft or FA) - the key piece of the offense that's missing, a "stud RB". I like Holmes, but we need a Faulk, James or Taylor. Next years RB crop should be much better than this year's.

DT (draft or FA) - Dan Williams will be 33 and we have no apparent anchor to the line
LB (draft or FA) - depth is still an issue and Marvcus Patton will be gone - he'll be 35 and due 2 million in base salary.

These positions will depend on what happens during the season:

WR (draft or FA) - depth is still an issue and DA will be 31
OG (draft or FA) - depends on the play of Spears and Willis
OT (draft or FA) - depth is still shallow at OT, with Shields and Spears playing both OG and OT

DE (draft or FA) - depends on the progress of Beisel, Owens will be a Houston Texan
CB (draft or FA) - depends on the progress of young, younger and youngest.


I believe we will be very active in the offseason following the 2001 season; we have taken serious cap damage this year to clear room for the future, and I think we're going to be a major player in 2002 in the free agent market. Our draft position will play a role in determining which positions are filled via the draft and which are filled via free agency, and there's no way I can speculate on what that draft position will be...

As I gaze into my crystal ball I see that Tony Gonzalez will sign a 6 year contract extension next year good for at least $30 million, including an $8 million signing bonus.

CanadaKC
07-02-2001, 03:21 PM
Keg...your reply just made me feel better:D

scooter
07-02-2001, 03:47 PM
Isn't Drew Hensen the QB that the Texans were ready to take with the #1 in 2002, and he decided that he wanted to play baseball?:confused:

One Arrowhead Dave
07-02-2001, 03:54 PM
Same Henson.....He is now playing 3rd base for the Spankees triple A team.

ck_IN
07-02-2001, 04:14 PM
I'm sure I'll get scorched but here goes........

After finishing 6-10, we'll pick between 8-12. Our biggest weakness will have been our complete inability to stop the inside run. Williams will do his usual flop claiming a hamstring injury or something. Browning will have some nagging injury and Downing will contribute nothing. Our 2nd weakness will be our CB's. Due mostly to inexperience and lack of QB pressure. Robinson, whose schemes got us toasted all year, will push for a DT. DV will instead draft a RB.

Sorry if I sound pessimistic gang, but some of our offseason and draft day moves have me completely baffled.

KCPHILLY
07-02-2001, 09:50 PM
Williams will do his usual flop claiming a hamstring injury or something

I haven't been a fan since he chose to hold out and then was hit with the injury bug when he came back. I often felt the CHET bug had rubbed off on him. After conversations with a few insiders I've changed my stance a bit.

The fact is last year this guy had a serious foot problem which required surgery. Rather than go on I.R. he chose to play the season out as doctors said it wouldn't make it worse. His foot would blow up like a balloon after games putting him on crutches and unable to wear a shoe. By late season he was unable to practice but on game day he would shoot himself up and go out and work his a$$ off.

This off season he had the necessary surgery and has been told his job is in jeopardy if he doesn't perform this year. I'm hoping the new locker room atmosphere and the subtraction of CHET along with a sense of being on the bubble will reanimate what he was before the holdout.

I'm pessimistic but willing to give him the benifit of the doubt... 'til mid-season.

Brock
07-02-2001, 10:08 PM
The Chiefs will pick high enough to land Quentin Jammer, CB. Is that a great name for a CB or what?

keg in kc
07-02-2001, 10:13 PM
It'd be a great name for a porn star too. ;)

Otter
07-03-2001, 07:01 AM
Here's and idea: How about a QB to develop, just somthing off the top of my head. :rolleyes:

ck_IN
07-03-2001, 12:42 PM
Develop a drafted QB?! Otter, what have you been drinking?!!! You know we're only allowed to have 30yr old (or older) backups on our QB roster. :p

KCphilly, I hope you're right and I'm wrong. I admit I wasn't aware of the extent of his injury. If he was that hurt Gun shouldn't have let him play. He wasn't helping anyone by doing so. But I'll retain my stance that teams will run through our middle like the preverbial sh@t through a goose. When you obviously need run stopping and you pass on Carlos Polk and the best DT you draft is a 7th rounder, something is wrong.

keg in kc
07-03-2001, 01:14 PM
ck, our first pick was a DT. We drafted two, and I doubt that Sands is the better of the two (yet).

There's no surprise we didn't draft Polk; we went into the draft saying we weren't going to take any linebackers and we have, currently, 8 young linebackers on the roster (Atkins, Jordan, Kazadi, Maslowski, O'Neal, Robertson, Stills and Tisdale) to go with the 4 veterans we have (Bush, Cadrez, Edwards and Patton). I'm not sure how the addition of another inexperienced linebacker, a rookie to boot, would make a great deal of impact on the rush defense, especially at a position where we already have 2 players competing for the starting job...

KCPHILLY
07-03-2001, 07:32 PM
KCphilly, I hope you're right and I'm wrong. I admit I wasn't aware of the extent of his injury. If he was that hurt Gun shouldn't have let him play. He wasn't helping anyone by doing so.

I can only hope so also. Actually I'm the one who started bad mouthing WILLIAMS and he was quick to correct me. He had no reason to BS me as he didn't pull any punches on some of the other guys we talked about. A few weeks later his comments were backed up by another player.

soliday
07-03-2001, 07:38 PM
KCPHILLY,

Who were the guys "he didn't pull any punches on" and what did he have to say about them. Spill it.

Soliday

Otter
07-03-2001, 08:13 PM
QUARTERBACKS

1.Jason Thomas, UNLV 6-3/238
Has Donovan McNabb-like skills but has room to improve.

2.Carson Palmer, Southern Cal 6-4/220
New staff and system should allow Palmer to regain confidence.

3. Joey Harrington, Oregon 6-3/211
Is a proven winner with good size and a strong arm.

4. Kurt Kittner, Illinois 6-2/207
Is mobile and makes few mistakes but lacks a top NFL arm.

5. David Garrard, East Carolina 6-3/241
Is raw but has similar skills to the Vikings' Daunte Culpepper.

6. Dave Ragone, Louisville 6-4/200
Is a better prospect than Chris Redman, now with the Ravens.

7. Ken Dorsey, Miami (Fla.) 6-5/200
Needs bulk and experience; capable of spreading the ball around.

8. David Neill, Nevada 6-5/210
Is big and mobile and has potential but must be more consistent.

9. George Godsey, Georgia Tech 6-2/210
Might wind up as a top draft pick with continued development.

10. David Carr, Fresno State 6-2 1/2 /225
Is a prototypical pocket passer but must play smarter.

I'm bored at work and have been bitching and moaning since the draft about not drafting McMahon or a developmental QB while having a stable of 30+ year olds from 1st thru 3rd string. So here's next years top 10. Any comments or inside information on any of these guys?

My favorite at this point is Carson Palmer because of the system and the guy seems to have guts and leadership. He has tons of potential but is still just enough a diamond in the rough to be able to mold from scratch into a CHIEFS STARTING QB. Not some other teams re-tread!

Otter
07-03-2001, 08:20 PM
RUNNING BACKS

1. T.J. Duckett, Michigan State 6-2/254
Is a bulldozer capable of carrying the load as a premier NFL back.

2. DeShaun Foster, UCLA 6-0/ 215
Could be a standout NFL back if he can stay healthy and out of trouble.

3. Adrian Peterson, Georgia Southern 5-9 1/2 /208
Has dominated Division I-AA, but can he play with the big boys?

4. Najeh Davenport, Miami (Fla.) 6-1 1/2 /238
Will surprise a lot of people now that James Jackson is gone.

5. Maurice Morris, Oregon 6-0/205
Has enjoyed tremendous success but might be too much of a straight-line runner for the NFL.

6. Damien Anderson, Northwestern 5-10/205
Contributes in many ways despite lacking great size, speed and power.

7. Ken Simonton, Oregon State 5-7/181
Is a burner but stock will slide because of size.

8. Lee Suggs, Virginia Tech* 6-0/200
Will be a solid NFL starter one day, but is he ready now?

9. Rocky Harvey, Illinois 5-9/175
Has good hands and speed and likely will be a third-down specialist in NFL.

10. Ray Robinson, NC State 5-10/199
Is a sleeper. Doesn't have great size but runs bigger than his size would indicate.

Don't know enough about any of these guys, but never the less, TSN has them as the cream of the crop for RBs in next years draft.

CanadaKC
07-03-2001, 08:28 PM
Otter...if Green and Holmes both disappoint this season...do we take a QB or a RB in the first round?

KCGannonStalker
07-03-2001, 08:34 PM
I'd pick any of the following players, regardless of the scenario:

QB - Damarius Bilbo, 6'3", 210
RB - Ty Eriks, 6'3", 210
WR - Tim Massaquoi, 6'3", 210
TE - Matt Sinclair, 6'3", 210
LB - Gabe Toomey, 6'3", 210
LB - Mike Wells, 6'3", 210
LB Doug Justice, 6'3", 210
DB - Dewayne Brandon, 6'3", 210

Otter
07-03-2001, 08:45 PM
CanadaKC,

That depends on some other variables, but to put everything on an equal playing field lets assume that there are no suitable free agents available for each position.

I would have to say QB.

Given the fact that we have Blaylock, Cloud, Richardson and Holmes we have better and younger depth at that position. And we could always revert to the C A N T T Y PE ..... running back by committee. There I said it.

Plus running back is an easier position to fill. Although you wouldn't know it from our history.

For once we have a collection of offensive minds and coaches that have a good chance to mold a QB. We need to take advantage of this opportunity.

41 years is long enough to go trying to win with other teams backups.

If you couldn't tell by the signature, I'm a little biased.

Otter
07-03-2001, 08:52 PM
Add in-depth football knowledge to our bulletin board’s resident doppelganger’s MO.

The plot thickens!

KCPHILLY
07-03-2001, 09:04 PM
Who were the guys "he didn't pull any punches on" and what did he have to say about them. Spill it.

An HC, DC, DBC, 2 DB's and a DT... all of which are gone now.

kcred
07-04-2001, 07:59 AM
Philly - That is a lot of fingerpointing to me, and though I am glad everyone of those guys are gone, it is still going to come down to Williams himself. I hope I am wrong and he returns to his form of 3 years ago, but, at best, I am in a wait and see mode. I also didn't think the DV analysis of his missing the mini camps, were a whole hearted endorsement. I believe he is definitely under scrutiny, and had better show something in TC or we will cut him.

KCPHILLY
07-05-2001, 08:30 PM
Don't get me wrong, I jumped off the WILLIAMS bandwagon when he chose to hold out and I'm in the same wait and see mode you're in.

If WILLIAMS had shown up to the mini's it would have been as a bystander as he is still rehabbing. I'ts been written off as a "misunderstanding" at this point.

I don't see us dumping him this year as we just don't have the bodies to fill in but he has been warned this year is a bubble year and he'd better produce. One thing you can appreciate about DV is he doesn't BS the players and I think they respect that.

ck_IN
07-06-2001, 11:10 AM
A bubble year it is Philly. We can't afford to cut him and we don't have enough bodies anyway. We'll just have to wait and see if the real Dan Williams will stand up.

Yes Keg, I'm aware that we drafted two DT's. One is a major project and the other is a major reach. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Sands is already far superior to Downing. As for not drafting Carlos Polk, lets see: We are in serious need of a run stopper and hitter. Polk was the #2 MLB in the draft, a monster run stuff and head hunter. Atkins is too light to play SSLB, Maz has proven he can play it and Patton is probably in his last year(s). Passing on Polk for a FB from TCU makes absolutely no sense to me. Especially when we turn around and waste a roster spot on Cadrez.

DaWolf
07-06-2001, 11:17 AM
We should trade our No 1 pick to St Louis for Joe Germaine since Bubby's going to retire...

keg in kc
07-06-2001, 01:58 PM
ck, you might have an argument if you were talking about someone other than Polk. NO WAY was he the #2 MLB in the draft - I'd put him behind Morgan, Bell, Marshall, Winborn, Hartwell, Allen and Moreno at best. You must be a Husker fan or something, because he's not that good.

Name the fullbacks on the roster on draft day? Oh, that's right, there was only one, Tony Richardson. Layne is considered by many to be a stud FB, with skills similar to Richardson, with great future upside and we needed depth.

Two things just don't make sense here:

1. You're complaining about a fourth round draft pick! That's like complaining about not winning when you buy a lottery ticket; the odds of any of these guys making an impact in the NFL isn't that great. Hell, you could say that for all of our picks - there aren't any "sure fire" stud picks once you get out of the first 25 or 30.

2. Major reach? How exactly do you know that? Because so-called internet "experts" say it was? Come on. We've had this argument before - judging draft picks before they even get a chance to play is a waste of time. Come back in two or three years and then say it was a mistake; saying that now is premature at best.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree.

ck_IN
07-06-2001, 02:28 PM
Keg, TSN had Polk rated the #2 MLB prior to the draft. This is what I was basing it on. In fairness they had Morgan and one or two of the others you mentioned as an OLB.

Yes I'm griping about a 4th round pick (I'm in a cranky mood anyway. Think nothing of it). We had so few it would seem that we'd pick very carefully with the ones we had. On the contrary we seemed to pick with abandon. I've nothing against Layne, but FB's are a fairly cheap and common commidity. When was Rich drafted? Run stuffing defensive players are harder to come by.

I'm basing my judgement of Downing on his college stats. He came from a major program and contributed little to it. There were other DT's on the board, then and later, who contributed far more in their major programs. If you say a kid can't be judged at least partially on his college record than you've nothing to judge them on and the draft might as well be a drawing of straws.

As for jumping the gun, perhaps I am and perhaps I'll regret it, but I think we all knew Ethan Hortan and Tre Jenkins were <b<major</b> reaches the minute they were picked. I view Downing in much the same vein.

Agreed to disagree it is. I'll attempt to lighten my sour mood towards the gents above.

keg in kc
07-06-2001, 03:07 PM
T-Rich was undrafted, actually, as I recall, but I think he's the exception, not the rule. A lot of FBs (like inside linebackers...) are drafted in the 4th to 7th rounds, with some coming earlier and some available later.

Now, as for Downing, don't get me wrong, I am as mystified by that pick as you are (and I said so at the time, much less...tactfully ;)), but it doesn't bother me so much in retrospect because it was a third rounder - when I thought of it as our first pick it bothered me more. (There were also a few whispers that I missed prior to the draft that said he was moving up and teams thought there was upside there - that calmed me down a bit, too)

Now, if we'd have taken, say, Ryan Pickett in the first round of the draft (hi Rams fans), I'd probably be throwing a fit, but once you get out of the first round, guys are all basically hit and miss. I guess the question is this: will Downing be a Donnie Edwards (4th round "steal") or a Donnell Bennett (2nd round "bust")? I guess the same can be said for all of our picks.

Can't do much but wait and see, and hope for the best.

KCTitus
04-22-2002, 09:55 AM
A thread from July 2001 about the recently completed draft...

Thought it might be interesting. What a difference a year makes.

nice call on the W/L record, CK... :D