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the Talking Can
11-18-2007, 10:51 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/180/story/367190.html

Chiefs’ conservative offense inspires lots of grumbling

INDIANAPOLIS | Frustration bubbles now. It had to happen. Coaches, players, fans, you name it — when you score 13 offensive touchdowns in 10 games, everybody will start to get testy. They were plenty testy after Sunday’s loss in Indianapolis.

“We’re going to have to blow it all up,” one anonymous Chiefs insider said.

“Something is going to have to change, because this is a joke,” said another.

“I can take losing,” said a third. “But I can’t take not trying.”

Yes, there were all sorts of anonymous rumbles and grumbles in the locker room Sunday after the Chiefs’ 13-10 loss to the Colts. The Chiefs’ coaches went to Indianapolis believing that their only chance to win with first-time starter Brodie Croyle at quarterback and a lacking offensive line was to play a slow-down, four-corners, some-kind-of-punterful game. The strategy did keep the game close.

That didn’t make anybody feel better.

“We’re playing the Super Bowl champs, and we’re not going to take even one shot to win the game?” one of those Chiefs grumblers asked. “That’s who we are now?”

You get the picture. There’s a serious identity crisis happening within the Chiefs. The anger Sunday — on the surface, anyway — was over an ultraconservative game plan that was built to protect Croyle.

At the end of the first half, for instance, when the Chiefs had more than a minute left and all three timeouts, they sat on the ball. Early in the fourth quarter, with the Chiefs on their own 46 facing a fourth and 1, there was never even a discussion to go for it.

The Chiefs scored their one touchdown when Croyle threw a laser pass somewhere over Dwayne Bowe (way up high) and Bowe snagged it, somehow dancing his feet inbounds, a spectacular play that made you think maybe the Chiefs would open it up a little bit. No. Late in the fourth quarter, with the Chiefs facing third and 18, they ran a safe draw play and punted rather than even try to go for the first down. The Colts drove down the field, ran out the last 7 minutes of clock and kicked the game-winning field goal with 3 seconds left.

Even the last play of the game — the Chiefs did get the ball back at the 40 — was not a Hail Mary bomb into the end zone like you might expect. It was a short pass to Kolby Smith. That was pretty much how it went.

“Conservative?” asked Chiefs tight end Tony Gonzalez, one of the few players who grumbled on the record. “Yeah, you might call that conservative.”

“Do you think Brodie Croyle has a chance to be a good quarterback?”

“Yeah,” Gonzalez said through gritted teeth. “If they give him that chance.”

There’s more here, though. The anger isn’t about just this one game. It goes back to a decision Herm Edwards made shortly after taking the job. Everyone can appreciate that he came into an odd situation — he took over an offense that had scored more points than any other team in the NFL the previous four years. But it was also, by far, the oldest offense in the league. Everybody who was paying attention could hear the clock ticking.

Trouble is that Edwards already had a reputation — earned in New York — as the First Officer of Field Goals, a defensive coach who wanted to win games 12-10. He argues the point (Edwards says he wants to score 24 points in a game), but he knows this is how people see him.

When he took the Chiefs’ job, people in and out of the organization kept asking, “Are you going to change this offense?” That’s when Edwards made a mistake. He hired offensive-line coach Mike Solari to be coordinator for the first time in his long NFL career. And he told Solari to keep the playbook more or less intact.

“We’re running the same plays,” Edwards still says week after week.

Maybe. But they’re not running them in the same order. And they’re certainly not running them with the same results. The truth is that lots of things changed. The Chiefs’ offense rotted from age — their two best offensive linemen retired, their quarterback got knocked unconscious, their receivers could not get open. After a short while, Edwards figured that the only way for this team to win was to give the ball to Larry Johnson more times than any running back in NFL history. That did get the Chiefs to the playoffs last year. Then this year, Larry Johnson got hurt.

And now, the Chiefs’ offense is a mess. It’s the worst in the NFL. They have an antiquated playbook, a crumbling offensive line, an offensive game plan that makes fans want to throw stuff at their televisions and, now, a locker room filled with frustrated players and coaches and equipment managers — and you name it. People want changes.

What do you do? Well, for now, it’s clear that the Chiefs are not a playoff team, even if the wretchedness of the AFC West will not let them out of the race. So, it seems to me they should spend the rest of this season developing Brodie Croyle, who, in his limited role, looked pretty good Sunday. The guy’s got talent. It’s time to commit to him as the quarterback of the future.

They should spotlight Dwayne Bowe. He is terrific and is on pace to have 1,000 yards receiving, which would make him the first Chiefs rookie to do that since, oh yeah, ever. They should remember that Tony Gonzalez is still pretty close to unstoppable down the field. They should try to use Priest Holmes smarter — he’s good for 10 to 15 carries and a few screen passes (where are the screen passes? Holmes was one of the best screen receivers in the NFL). In other words, try to get some positives out of the rest of the season.

And after that? Well, the anonymous Chief is right. They will have to blow things up. But that can wait for the offseason. It’s coming sooner than anyone wanted anyway.

dirk digler
11-18-2007, 10:54 PM
I hope they blow Solari, Curl, and Herm up together.

MIAdragon
11-18-2007, 10:57 PM
Hit the nail on the head. All of those " Chiefs insider" comments seem to be talking about the coaching staff.
Thanks for posting.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-18-2007, 10:57 PM
We're coached by Neville f*cking Chamberlain :banghead:

pr_capone
11-18-2007, 10:57 PM
I hope they blow Solari, Curl, and Herm
:thailor:

DeezNutz
11-18-2007, 10:59 PM
Figured you might want to include the second page of the column:

“We’re running the same plays,” Edwards still says week after week.

Maybe. But they’re not running them in the same order. And they’re certainly not running them with the same results. The truth is that lots of things changed. The Chiefs’ offense rotted from age — their two best offensive linemen retired, their quarterback got knocked unconscious, their receivers could not get open. After a short while, Edwards figured that the only way for this team to win was to give the ball to Larry Johnson more times than any running back in NFL history. That did get the Chiefs to the playoffs last year. Then this year, Larry Johnson got hurt.

And now, the Chiefs’ offense is a mess. It’s the worst in the NFL. They have an antiquated playbook, a crumbling offensive line, an offensive game plan that makes fans want to throw stuff at their televisions and, now, a locker room filled with frustrated players and coaches and equipment managers — and you name it. People want changes.

What do you do? Well, for now, it’s clear that the Chiefs are not a playoff team, even if the wretchedness of the AFC West will not let them out of the race. So, it seems to me they should spend the rest of this season developing Brodie Croyle, who, in his limited role, looked pretty good Sunday. The guy’s got talent. It’s time to commit to him as the quarterback of the future.

They should spotlight Dwayne Bowe. He is terrific and is on pace to have 1,000 yards receiving, which would make him the first Chiefs rookie to do that since, oh yeah, ever. They should remember that Tony Gonzalez is still pretty close to unstoppable down the field. They should try to use Priest Holmes smarter — he’s good for 10 to 15 carries and a few screen passes (where are the screen passes? Holmes was one of the best screen receivers in the NFL). In other words, try to get some positives out of the rest of the season.

And after that? Well, the anonymous Chief is right. They will have to blow things up. But that can wait for the offseason. It’s coming sooner than anyone wanted anyway.

the Talking Can
11-18-2007, 10:59 PM
there was more to the article, I just posted it...

the Talking Can
11-18-2007, 11:01 PM
“We’re playing the Super Bowl champs, and we’re not going to take even one shot to win the game?” one of those Chiefs grumblers asked. “That’s who we are now?”


that says it all...and confirms what we were complaining about after the game..we didn't even try to win....

blueballs
11-18-2007, 11:02 PM
Carl:Hello -this is the Petersons
Clark:Move the ball through the air or clean out your office -click-
Herm: Hello

KCChiefsFan88
11-18-2007, 11:03 PM
I expect an orgy over at Wargarbage Illustrated celebrating the greatness that is Mike Slowlari and Curled Dick Face any moment now

Misplaced_Chiefs_Fan
11-18-2007, 11:04 PM
Pos wants to hear some grumbling, someone should send him an invite to this place.

He'll find out the fans are pretty torqued off too! :cuss:

InChiefsHell
11-18-2007, 11:05 PM
Having Gonzo openly bitching is a big deal...this offense is shot to hell and it's not all the O-Line...though they have a good deal to do with it.

Count Alex's Losses
11-18-2007, 11:08 PM
Blowing things up is extreme. Blow the offensive line up. And the offensive coaching staff.

Count Alex's Losses
11-18-2007, 11:09 PM
I expect an orgy over at Wargarbage Illustrated celebrating the greatness that is Mike Slowlari and Curled Dick Face any moment now

The site is updated with nary a hint of what you have implied.

But one thing is clear - offensive coordinator Mike Solari is not the right man for the job. The Chiefs had Indy’s defense on the ropes in the fourth quarter with the game tied at 10 and the ball sitting on the 43-yard line. They proceeded to squander that opportunity.

And I was disgusted with the offense today and will rip the perpetrators accordingly.

Zouk
11-18-2007, 11:12 PM
Blowing things up is extreme. Blow the offensive line up. And the offensive coaching staff.

How about the perimeter blockers - i.e. Dunn and Wilson. They need to be blown up off the team. They just can't hold blocks.

And Kennison is finished. The only receivers older than him are Rod Smith and Marvin Harrison and they broke down too. I will be sorely disappointed if they try to trot him out there again.

Throw in Parker and that's a lot of change before you even get to the disastrous O-line.

KCChiefsFan88
11-18-2007, 11:15 PM
The site is updated with nary a hint of what you have implied.

And I was disgusted with the offense today and will rip the perpetrators accordingly.

Maybe the next time your piece of garbage website does an interview with Clark Hunt you'll ask him REAL questions that deal with the dire state of this team, rather than lobbing him softball questions while you bend over and take it up the ass from the collective Chiefs organization.

MadMax
11-18-2007, 11:17 PM
I'd laugh my ass off if anyone on the Chiefs left enmass and refused to play for this joke of a coaching staff. **** CARL!!!! Does anyone here honestly think the players buy in to this joke????

Chiefs Pantalones
11-18-2007, 11:17 PM
This offense isn't conservative. It's neutered.

Chiefs Pantalones
11-18-2007, 11:19 PM
Clark is going to have to fire the offensive coaching staff and tell Herm, from now on, he can't touch the offense.

For the record, people think Dungy changed. Wrong. It was put in his contract that he could NOT touch the offense and had to keep Tom Moore as OC and the staff.

Mecca
11-18-2007, 11:19 PM
And it doesn't matter who else they bring in, this is how Herm wants to play offense, he dictates this. As long as he is coach this will not change.

Count Alex's Losses
11-18-2007, 11:20 PM
Maybe the next time your piece of garbage website does an interview with Clark Hunt you'll ask him REAL questions that deal with the dire state of this team, rather than lobbing him softball questions while you bend over and take it up the ass from the collective Chiefs organization.

The interview was conducted during training camp. It's not really appropriate to ask a bunch of chicken little questions at that point in the year.

Coach
11-18-2007, 11:20 PM
This offense isn't conservative. It's neutered.

Shit, it's offensive that it should be rated M instead of PG.

http://www.gamesoul.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/esrb_rating-m.gif

Thig Lyfe
11-18-2007, 11:22 PM
This offense isn't conservative. It's neutered.

I feel an altered Arrested Development quote is appropriate.

Lindsay: Perhaps you remember Neuterfest?
Michael: Oh, I'll never forget the day Carl hired Herm Edwards.

Chief Henry
11-18-2007, 11:23 PM
that says it all...and confirms what we were complaining about after the game..we didn't even try to win....


Your right Can. We didn't even give the kid the chance to succeed.

Tribal Warfare
11-18-2007, 11:23 PM
Clark Hunt to King Carl- "F*CK ya'll, and take your mongoloid lackey's with you

MadMax
11-18-2007, 11:24 PM
How about the perimeter blockers - i.e. Dunn and Wilson. They need to be blown up off the team. They just can't hold blocks.

And Kennison is finished. The only receivers older than him are Rod Smith and Marvin Harrison and they broke down too. I will be sorely disappointed if they try to trot him out there again.

Throw in Parker and that's a lot of change before you even get to the disastrous O-line.


wo I actually agree with your post...Eddie and Sam are done...

Chiefs Pantalones
11-18-2007, 11:26 PM
And it doesn't matter who else they bring in, this is how Herm wants to play offense, he dictates this. As long as he is coach this will not change.

I agree. Clark and Carl should've Dungy'd him contractually.

philfree
11-18-2007, 11:28 PM
I didn't mind the conservative game plan until we had a chance to win it in the 4th qtr. We were so predictable and in bold is the play that lost the game for us. We just got a 1st down Croyle and Bowe were hot all day and we run it and lose 5 yards. I wanted to throw up.


1st and 10 at KC 37 (14:53) P.Holmes left end to KC 35 for -2 yards (M.Jackson).
2nd and 12 at KC 35 (14:17) B.Croyle pass incomplete short right to D.Bowe.
3rd and 12 at KC 35 (14:11) (Shotgun) B.Croyle pass short middle to K.Smith to KC 46 for 11 yards (A.Bethea).
4th and 1 at KC 46 (13:25) D.Colquitt punts 30 yards to IND 24, Center-J.Darche, fair catch by T.Rushing.




Kansas City Chiefs at 10:59 KAN IND
1st and 10 at KC 24 (10:59) P.Holmes left tackle to KC 24 for no gain (G.Brackett).
2nd and 10 at KC 24 (10:23) B.Croyle pass short right to T.Gonzalez to KC 31 for 7 yards (K.Hayden, F.Keiaho).
3rd and 3 at KC 31 (9:39) (Shotgun) B.Croyle pass short middle to D.Bowe to KC 45 for 14 yards (A.Bethea).
1st and 10 at KC 45 (8:58) K.Smith left end to KC 40 for -5 yards (J.Thomas).
2nd and 15 at KC 40 (8:18) B.Croyle sacked at KC 37 for -3 yards (R.Brock).
3rd and 18 at KC 37 (7:41) (Shotgun) K.Smith left tackle to KC 39 for 2 yards (K.Hayden, G.Brackett).
4th and 16 at KC 39 (7:08) D.Colquitt punts 37 yards to IND 24, Center-J.Darche. T.Rushing to IND 33 for 9 yards (K.Fox).



Kansas City Chiefs at 0:03 KAN IND
1st and 10 at KC 40 (:03) (Shotgun) B.Croyle pass short left to K.Smith to IND 44 for 16 yards. Lateral to S.Parker to IND 37 for 7 yards.
FUMBLES, touched at IND 39, ball out of bounds at IND 39.

PhilFree:arrow:
~on the bright side we have a young stud QB~

Donger
11-18-2007, 11:29 PM
We're coached by Neville f*cking Chamberlain :banghead:

Who?

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-18-2007, 11:33 PM
Who?

Mic Jones.

DaKCMan AP
11-19-2007, 07:26 AM
And Kennison is finished. The only receivers older than him are Rod Smith and Marvin Harrison and they broke down too. I will be sorely disappointed if they try to trot him out there again.

Joey Galloway is older and he's having one heck of a year.

Rausch
11-19-2007, 08:39 AM
Seemed Brodie was as ready to play sunday as he wasn't in the preseason. He's throwing better, standing more confident, and he's finding the open guy.

The only thing holding him back at this point isn't his confidence it's his Head Coach's confidence in him...

Lzen
11-19-2007, 08:47 AM
And it doesn't matter who else they bring in, this is how Herm wants to play offense, he dictates this. As long as he is coach this will not change.

One of the rare things you say with which I agree.

Rausch
11-19-2007, 08:58 AM
And it doesn't matter who else they bring in, this is how Herm wants to play offense, he dictates this. As long as he is coach this will not change.

Carl is going to need to have the same talk with Herm that Marty and Dungy got. Run your defense, motivate your players, and let the OC run the offense.

Cowher always got away with the conservative stuff because he'd suck you in and then run some Double WR reverse Pass or something that always seemed to be good for six. We don't have that. It's strict, by the book, conservative football with no new twists at all. There is no point where what you're doing catches someone off guard.

Pushead2
11-19-2007, 09:00 AM
Carl is going to need to have the same talk with Herm that Marty and Dungy got. Run your defense, motivate your players, and let the OC run the offense.

Cowher always got away with the conservative stuff because he'd suck you in and then run some Double WR reverse Pass or something that always seemed to be good for six. We don't have that. It's strict, by the book, conservative football with no new twists at all. There is no point where what you're doing catches someone off guard.

Carl doesn't need to talk to them because he needs to be out of this organization!! :cuss:

HemiEd
11-19-2007, 09:05 AM
Blowing things up is extreme. Blow the offensive line up. And the offensive coaching staff.

Take the Herm with them, he is the leader of this shit.

HemiEd
11-19-2007, 09:07 AM
And it doesn't matter who else they bring in, this is how Herm wants to play offense, he dictates this. As long as he is coach this will not change.

The evidence confirms this.

Bob Dole
11-19-2007, 09:34 AM
Carl is going to need to have the same talk with Herm that Marty and Dungy got. Run your defense, motivate your players, and let the OC run the offense.

Cowher always got away with the conservative stuff because he'd suck you in and then run some Double WR reverse Pass or something that always seemed to be good for six. We don't have that. It's strict, by the book, conservative football with no new twists at all. There is no point where what you're doing catches someone off guard.

We probably ran the hitch to Bowe a lot because we're setting up Oakland for the hitch-and-go.

And then we'll never see it again. You know...kind of like the quick slant.

the Talking Can
11-19-2007, 09:37 AM
We probably ran the hitch to Bowe a lot because we're setting up Oakland for the hitch-and-go.



imagine if we were setting up the Colts for a hitch-and-go...but that's crazy talk

siberian khatru
11-19-2007, 09:55 AM
imagine if we were setting up the Colts for a hitch-and-go...but that's crazy talk

You gotta look at the big picture. We're setting teams up for 2010, when we everything in place.

StcChief
11-19-2007, 10:03 AM
You gotta look at the big picture. We're setting teams up for 2010, when we everything in place.
we have been trying that for 18 years.

the Talking Can
11-19-2007, 10:05 AM
You gotta look at the big picture. We're setting teams up for 2010, when we everything in place.

we're setting up the yet-to-be-established Tokyo Dragons for a wicked hitch-and-go in 2014...he who laughs last....

Simplex3
11-19-2007, 10:17 AM
Clark Hunt to King Carl- "F*CK ya'll, and take your mongoloid lackey's with you
More like this:

Clark Hunt to King Carl- "We're still making tons of cash? Well, f**k it then. Carry on."

Kerberos
11-19-2007, 10:18 AM
Joey Galloway is older and he's having one heck of a year.

How old is McCardell? He's got to be close or OLDER than EK.

FAX
11-19-2007, 10:22 AM
“I can take losing,” said a third. “But I can’t take not trying.”

This sums it all up for me. Herm can blame this game plan on "protecting Croyle" all he wants, but the facts speak for themselves. Brodie can throw the ball, Brodie can read the field, Brodie can find receivers, and Brodie can take a sack and get back in the saddle.

Brodie doesn't want Herm to hold his hand, ease him in, or suck him off. He wants to win and the only way he can get that done (directly) is to move the chains through the air. On 3rd and 18, what play do you think Croyle would call? Even after a sack? The lion's portion of this loss is on the coaches.

To my mind, this game reveals more about our coaching staff than any other game since Herm and his gang of fools walked into town and the Herm haters are redeemed.

FAX

ChiefGator
11-19-2007, 10:53 AM
imagine if we were setting up the Colts for a hitch-and-go...but that's crazy talk

How could that be? It's not like the Colts would go back in time, and then look at the game tape, and then have a different game plan. You act like teams have the luxury of changing their game plan during the game, or during half time. I'm not sure that's even allowed in the NFL.

Dave Lane
11-19-2007, 11:03 AM
And I was disgusted with the offense today and will rip the perpetrators accordingly.


Then Rip Herm he's the leader of the band!!!

Dave

HemiEd
11-19-2007, 11:05 AM
“I can take losing,” said a third. “But I can’t take not trying.”

This sums it all up for me. Herm can blame this game plan on "protecting Croyle" all he wants, but the facts speak for themselves. Brodie can throw the ball, Brodie can read the field, Brodie can find receivers, and Brodie can take a sack and get back in the saddle.

Brodie doesn't want Herm to hold his hand, ease him in, or suck him off. He wants to win and the only way he can get that done (directly) is to move the chains through the air. On 3rd and 18, what play do you think Croyle would call? Even after a sack? The lion's portion of this loss is on the coaches.

To my mind, this game reveals more about our coaching staff than any other game since Herm and his gang of fools walked into town and the Herm haters are redeemed.

FAX
amen

Dave Lane
11-19-2007, 11:07 AM
I'd rep Poz if he posted here.

Dave

the Talking Can
11-19-2007, 11:07 AM
How could that be? It's not like the Colts would go back in time, and then look at the game tape, and then have a different game plan. You act like teams have the luxury of changing their game plan during the game, or during half time. I'm not sure that's even allowed in the NFL.

it's not, only in the Arena League

siberian khatru
11-19-2007, 11:12 AM
I'd rep Poz if he posted here.

Dave

It's funny, his was the more critical column today, and Whitlock was pretty tame. Yesterday, I fully expected JoPo to break out a "You gotta love a kid like Brodie Croyle" piece focusing on all the good stuff he did. One of the few times Joe has surprised me.

Coogs
11-19-2007, 11:13 AM
With about 2 minutes to go in the game, the TV cameras cut to a sideline shot of Croyle having the offense huddled up around him on the sidelines. And Croyle was the one doing all the talking... at that point in time anyway... with everyone paying close attention. Man, I wish we could have got the ball back one last time...

beach tribe
11-19-2007, 11:21 AM
This article is to Spot on

As Herm ****ing Edwards is to a #%$&* and (*&^$% and a scared defeatist pussy.

I have never been so ashamed of the Chiefs.

Gravedigger
11-19-2007, 11:24 AM
I think Clark Hunt needs to get all George Steinbrenner on Solari first, then Herm.

Chiefnj2
11-19-2007, 11:27 AM
I wish Croyle had a little helmet cam that could catch the expressions on the other players faces on the final call of the game.

Croyle: "Alright guys, we can do this. I can throw that ball 60 yards easy. Give me 4 seconds and I'll get that ball in the endzone for Tony and Bowe to fight it out and win this game. Hold on the play call is coming in.."

Solari: "Short pass to Smith."

Croyle: "I'm sorry guys it sounded like he called a short pass. Let me tap on my helmet for a second and get him to call the play down again."

Solari: "Short pass to Smith, over."

Tony and Bowe: "*(#&#*^#&*@^@^!!!!!!!"

Croyle: "Son of a bitch, he did say short pass. Kolby you should be wide open 5 yards down the field. All the defenders will be 55 yards away. Okay everyone?"

Terry: " I don't think I can hold them off for a 5 yard pattern."

Croyle: "Do your best. Do a Ryan Sims and lay down in their way. That's good for 1 1/2 seconds of protection. Break."

Coogs
11-19-2007, 11:29 AM
I wish Croyle had a little helmet cam that could catch the expressions on the other players faces on the final call of the game.

Croyle: "Alright guys, we can do this. I can throw that ball 60 yards easy. Give me 4 seconds and I'll get that ball in the endzone for Tony and Bowe to fight it out and win this game. Hold on the play call is coming in.."

Solari: "Short pass to Smith."

Croyle: "I'm sorry guys it sounded like he called a short pass. Let me tap on my helmet for a second and get him to call the play down again."

Solari: "Short pass to Smith, over."

Tony and Bowe: "*(#&#*^#&*@^@^!!!!!!!"

Croyle: "Son of a bitch, he did say short pass. Kolby you should be wide open 5 yards down the field. All the defenders will be 55 yards away. Okay everyone?"

Terry: " I don't think I can hold them off for a 5 yard pattern."

Croyle: "Do your best. Do a Ryan Sims and lay down in their way. That's good for 1 1/2 seconds of protection. Break."


ROFL OMG that was funny! I'm laughing so hard I have tears streaming down my face.

HemiEd
11-19-2007, 11:30 AM
I wish Croyle had a little helmet cam that could catch the expressions on the other players faces on the final call of the game.

Croyle: "Alright guys, we can do this. I can throw that ball 60 yards easy. Give me 4 seconds and I'll get that ball in the endzone for Tony and Bowe to fight it out and win this game. Hold on the play call is coming in.."

Solari: "Short pass to Smith."

Croyle: "I'm sorry guys it sounded like he called a short pass. Let me tap on my helmet for a second and get him to call the play down again."

Solari: "Short pass to Smith, over."

Tony and Bowe: "*(#&#*^#&*@^@^!!!!!!!"

Croyle: "Son of a bitch, he did say short pass. Kolby you should be wide open 5 yards down the field. All the defenders will be 55 yards away. Okay everyone?"

Terry: " I don't think I can hold them off for a 5 yard pattern."

Croyle: "Do your best. Do a Ryan Sims and lay down in their way. That's good for 1 1/2 seconds of protection. Break."

Probably not far from the truth. :#

siberian khatru
11-19-2007, 11:30 AM
Terry: " I don't think I can hold them off for a 5 yard pattern."



ROFL

trndobrd
11-19-2007, 11:32 AM
“I can take losing,” said a third. “But I can’t take not trying.”

This sums it all up for me. Herm can blame this game plan on "protecting Croyle" all he wants, but the facts speak for themselves. Brodie can throw the ball, Brodie can read the field, Brodie can find receivers, and Brodie can take a sack and get back in the saddle.




Or....Brodie can throw a bunch of interceptions. He can overthrow recievers. He can poorly fake a handoff and get smacked by a LB on a bootleg. Brodie can forget the snap count. Brodie can misread a blitz. He can fail to see the blitz coming and pay the price.

Whatever. I can live with any of it from a young QB. It's part of learning the position.

At least let the kid try to make a play.

beach tribe
11-19-2007, 11:51 AM
Or....Brodie can throw a bunch of interceptions. He can overthrow recievers. He can poorly fake a handoff and get smacked by a LB on a bootleg. Brodie can forget the snap count. Brodie can misread a blitz. He can fail to see the blitz coming and pay the price.

Whatever. I can live with any of it from a young QB. It's part of learning the position.

At least let the kid try to make a play.
He would have learned from any of those senarios. I agree.