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Coach
11-18-2007, 09:53 PM
Chiefs’ offense needs more than a QB switch

INDIANAPOLIS | Save it — the moaning, the groaning and the second-guessing.

This Chiefs football season is what it is, a rebuilding year, an opportunity to evaluate and re-evaluate.

You may not like it. You might be as ticked as veteran Chiefs tight end Tony Gonzalez. But you’re not going to change anything. There’s no reason to fire offensive coordinator Mike Solari in midseason.

The Chiefs didn’t lose to the Indianapolis Colts 13-10 on Sunday in one of the ugliest games in recent memory because Solari called all the wrong plays and wouldn’t let Brodie Croyle wing it down the field.

The Chiefs fell to 4-6 and tallied fewer than 14 points for the seventh time in 10 games because their roster is incomplete, devoid of offensive-line talent and missing a legitimate kicker.

You could turn this offensive unit over to Heidi Fleiss, stuff a 39-gallon Hefty bag with hundred-dollar bills, lather the players in Brut aftershave, ship them all to Nevada’s Mustang Ranch, and they still couldn’t score.

It is what it is, so save it. Spend your Sunday afternoons looking for flashes of hope.

Hey, I love to gripe about play-calling, but you have to block even when the right play is called, and you have to have the right personnel.

The Chiefs tried to be aggressive on their second-to-last possession of the first half. They were pinned relatively deep in their own territory when Croyle dropped back to pass and a runaway truck came barreling down Interstate 60, the Chris Terry Expressway. The Indy defender separated Croyle from the football, and gave the Colts’ offense the kick-start it needed.

You can’t be aggressive when you’re hamstrung at right tackle. And you look nearly as bad being conservative when your 34-year-old, just-out-of-retirement running back slams into a brick wall after eight first-quarter touches.

Priest Holmes looked damn good in the first 15 minutes. He ran seven times for 32 yards and caught one pass in the opening quarter. He got progressively worse from there, toting it eight times for 20 yards in the second quarter. He kept running sideways trying to get to the corner, and the Colts kept tracking him down and lassoing him. By the third quarter, Holmes was gassed. He hobbled off the field early in KC’s lone TD drive, took off his helmet and stood by running-backs coach James Saxon, trying to catch his wind and collect his thoughts. In the second half, he carried it four times for 3 yards.

There’s a reason modern NFL players train year-round. The game is played at a speed, emotional pitch and level of physicality that is far different from when Lenny and Otis starred. It takes more than six weeks to prepare for today’s game.

And it’s going to take more than a QB switch to fix KC’s offense.

Brodie Croyle showed us something. His footwork was much better. He stepped into his throws and delivered the ball with confidence, particularly in the second half. He completed 10 of 14 passes for 113 yards and a TD after the break.

Croyle and Dwayne Bowe connected on a beautiful 19-yard fade route in the corner of the end zone with the Chiefs trailing by seven points. It was a perfect pass and even better catch. Bowe continues to justify his draft choice.

Jared Allen continues to justify his salary demands. Let’s just go ahead and say it: For eight games, Allen has been the league’s best defensive player. On Sunday, he knocked down four Peyton Manning passes. He recorded six tackles and was credited with one quarterback hurry, though he chased Manning more times than that.

Allen keyed a front seven that did a fine job of pressuring Manning and shutting down Indy’s ground attack. The Colts picked up 66 yards on the ground. Joseph Addai finished with 72 yards in 21 carries. Tamba Hali and Derrick Johnson both made big plays in the backfield.

You put two young, physical corners on this defense, and the unit turns from good to great.

Hey, I don’t blame Gonzalez and the veteran players for being upset. This team isn’t going anywhere, and Gonzalez, Brian Waters, Donnie Edwards, Eddie Kennison and a few others only have a couple of years left to play at a high level.

But a smart football fan should be relatively satisfied with what they saw Sunday. Allen, Bowe, Hali, Croyle and Derrick Johnson went into the house of the defending Super Bowl champions and made plays.

Plus, Chiefs-Colts passed the time and moved us one day closer to Armageddon at Arrowhead, when two well-coached, properly constructed, highly successful football teams will bring meaningful football back to Arrowhead Stadium.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/367189.html

cdcox
11-18-2007, 10:11 PM
The problem is we'll see the same version of this pigheadedness once we turn the roster over. It is in every fiber of Herm's body.

StcChief
11-18-2007, 10:12 PM
thanks Capt Obvious.

Count Zarth
11-18-2007, 10:15 PM
Plus, Chiefs-Colts passed the time and moved us one day closer to Armageddon at Arrowhead, when two well-coached, properly constructed, highly successful football teams will bring meaningful football back to Arrowhead Stadium.




OH SNAP

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7369/jasonwhitlockki6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

blueballs
11-18-2007, 10:16 PM
Wow I took the time
read it and agree
I must be wrong then

Count Zarth
11-18-2007, 10:16 PM
The problem is we'll see the same version of this pigheadedness once we turn the roster over. It is in every fiber of Herm's body.

True, but you gotta figure they'll be more aggressive with an experienced quarterback. And 150 yards rushing a game instead of 70 can't hurt.

Bacon Cheeseburger
11-18-2007, 10:18 PM
Meh, not enough grumbling in that article.

Deberg_1990
11-18-2007, 10:23 PM
I liked this column. I agree with what Jason is sayin.

Basically hes telling us this team isnt worth griping about all the small stuff. Quit wasting your energy.

We are not a very good football team. The sooner you come to that conclusion (about week 2 for me) the better you will feel.

Just sit back and enjoy the youngsters learn and grow for the future.

KCChiefsFan88
11-18-2007, 10:29 PM
True, but you gotta figure they'll be more aggressive with an experienced quarterback.

Yeah because they were SO aggressive when Damon Huard (a veteran, experienced QB) was starting.

Extra Point
11-18-2007, 10:30 PM
Should have written: "This team isn’t going anywhere, and Gonzalez and Donnie Edwards, and a few others only have a couple of years left to play at a high level."

Kennison must retire; he should have retired at the end of last season, but he was too stupid to see the handwriting on the wall, with how they were playing Trent Green.

Waters, however, will probably want to retire gracefully, then will be paid millions to suit up for another season, tutoring this and next year's draft picks.

KCChiefsFan88
11-18-2007, 10:31 PM
I liked this column. I agree with what Jason is sayin.

Basically hes telling us this team isnt worth griping about all the small stuff. Quit wasting your energy.

We are not a very good football team. The sooner you come to that conclusion (about week 2 for me) the better you will feel.

Just sit back and enjoy the youngsters learn and grow for the future.


Actually he is really saying that everyone should just ignore the Chiefs and their gutless coaching staff and look forward to and enjoy the KU/MU showdown this weekend.

el borracho
11-18-2007, 10:32 PM
I blame the Chargers and the Broncos. If they were running away with the division like they were supposed to do this year we could erase the 1-in-a-million/ what if?/ 9-7 wins-the-division scenarios from our heads.

CoMoChief
11-18-2007, 10:34 PM
"You could turn this offensive unit over to Heidi Fleiss, stuff a 39-gallon Hefty bag with hundred-dollar bills, lather the players in Brut aftershave, ship them all to Nevada’s Mustang Ranch, and they still couldn’t score."

ROFL

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The Chiefs tried to be aggressive on their second-to-last possession of the first half. They were pinned relatively deep in their own territory when Croyle dropped back to pass and a runaway truck came barreling down Interstate 60, the Chris Terry Expressway. The Indy defender separated Croyle from the football, and gave the Colts’ offense the kick-start it needed."

ROFL

Count Zarth
11-18-2007, 10:35 PM
Yeah because they were SO aggressive when Damon Huard (a veteran, experienced QB) was starting.

They were more aggressive. Without a doubt.

boogblaster
11-18-2007, 10:36 PM
In reality our Oline did a decent job today..game-day coaching on offense sucked ...yes Terry gave up a sack-fumble that shit happens ... but you don't call a 18 yard draw-play on 3rd down with less than 4 minutes in the game ....

Pitt Gorilla
11-18-2007, 10:37 PM
I think the loss was good. While I don't want one of the first 3 picks (too much money), having a fairly high pick in each round could be great for this team. We aren't going to win anything this year, so why not let the young guys play and see what we have? I have no problem with losing as long as we improve long term.

cdcox
11-18-2007, 10:38 PM
True, but you gotta figure they'll be more aggressive with an experienced quarterback. And 150 yards rushing a game instead of 70 can't hurt.

I saw everything I needed to see from Herm in the 2004 playoff season. He had chances to go up more than one score in both games and was content to settle for field goals. Very instructive to his way of thinking. It is consistent with what he says and his decisions in games all during his coaching career.

Mecca
11-18-2007, 10:38 PM
I agree with it other than like CD said, this is Herm.....personally I think they should let Herm rebuild the roster for a couple years then get a new coach...

CoMoChief
11-18-2007, 10:39 PM
They were more aggressive. Without a doubt.
"More" isnt saying much at all.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-18-2007, 10:42 PM
I liked this column. I agree with what Jason is sayin.

Basically hes telling us this team isnt worth griping about all the small stuff. Quit wasting your energy.

We are not a very good football team. The sooner you come to that conclusion (about week 2 for me) the better you will feel.

Just sit back and enjoy the youngsters learn and grow for the future.

Same here. I Tivo'd the game, watched at about 5 today, and just chuckled late in the second half and the fourth quarter.

It was almost like seeing one of your buddies try and pick up the hottest chick at the bar, having a chance for a while, and then out of nowhere watching him blow a snot rocket in plain sight.

Then you realize, why even get your hopes up for the guy? He is what he is.

cdcox
11-18-2007, 10:44 PM
I agree with it other than like CD said, this is Herm.....personally I think they should let Herm rebuild the roster for a couple years then get a new coach...

That would actually not be a bad idea if the new coach would build on the strength of Herm's young guys. Thing is, Herm can probably get us to 10-6 in 2009 and after that there is no way we let him go.

jjjayb
11-18-2007, 10:48 PM
Same here. I Tivo'd the game, watched at about 5 today, and just chuckled late in the second half and the fourth quarter.

It was almost like seeing one of your buddies try and pick up the hottest chick at the bar, having a chance for a while, and then out of nowhere watching him blow a snot rocket in plain sight.

Then you realize, why even get your hopes up for the guy? He is what he is.

ROFL

Mecca
11-18-2007, 10:48 PM
That would actually not be a bad idea if the new coach would build on the strength of Herm's young guys. Thing is, Herm can probably get us to 10-6 in 2009 and after that there is no way we let him go.

To bad this organization doesn't think outside the box like that and make moves like that, others would.

I'm not sure what 2009 will be, will we have a rookie Rb starting while LJ makes a bunch of money to sit on the bench?

Demonpenz
11-18-2007, 10:51 PM
this is pretty much what i have been echoing but everyone here was having annerisms over playcalling

tk13
11-18-2007, 10:57 PM
Good column, I agree with a lot of it. I don't even feel like posting much on here anymore because it's pointless. We're arguing over minor things that aren't gonna matter come next year.

I don't think Solari will be back, and I think we have shown the ability to open it up. I thought he did a better job of opening it up the last couple home games, especially against Denver. But the catch is, we lost both of those games, and I think that played a part in today.

I don't think I posted once all week... so many complaints about playcalling, and I think 90% of them were way off. I don't see the point in doing it anyway... not to mention half of them were out in left field.

Especially against Denver, I thought we started spreading it out, 5 WR sets, slinging it downfield, passing much more on 1st down, that kinda stuff... I was surprised, we legitimately opened up the offense as much as we ever have under Herm... and in the process our O-line got destroyed by a weak Broncos pass rush, get INT's, fumbles, etc. We looked awful.

I think that had something to do with today... we lost by 2 scores at home to a bad defense trying to open it up, I think the coaches were worried the Colts defense could cause more damage... which is probably true. Not that I think every decision today was the right one, but I think there's a logical pattern to it, and I don't feel like arguing it for 300 more posts.

The most important thing for me is to keep Croyle healthy, make sure he's making smart decisions, keep working in the young guys and address the offensive line this offseason. Overall we're moving in the right direction, although there are going to be some ugly lumps along the way. At this point I don't feel any reason to flip out over any one little thing.

CoMoChief
11-18-2007, 10:59 PM
this is pretty much what i have been echoing but everyone here was having annerisms over playcalling
Because you can still win with an avg football team if the playcalling is somwhat respectable. What has happened this season as far as playcalling goes has been awful.

Extra Point
11-18-2007, 11:01 PM
Croyle looked good on the right roll-out. Herb Taylor will get his chance, maybe next game. Terry doesn't know what's going on, unfortunately. Good guy, but can't sustain, let alone engage.

Mecca
11-18-2007, 11:02 PM
So if Solari is fired are you ready for Dick Curl OC......or some other Herm puppet.

el borracho
11-18-2007, 11:04 PM
Did Niswanger play today? I didn't notice.

cdcox
11-18-2007, 11:09 PM
tk13, the problem is that Herm is not a true believer on offense. You open things up and yes, bad things are going to happen until you get your identity. Look at the 2001 Chiefs. Herm just doesn't have the stomach for the growing pains that come with running an NFL offense. One bad game and its back to the model T. He'll never change because he doesn't have the patience to suffer through the hard knocks of building a real NFL offense.

Otter
11-18-2007, 11:10 PM
Ladies and Gentleman, remember making fun of the Browns and Bengles?

"We" are now "them".

DaneMcCloud
11-18-2007, 11:11 PM
Did Niswanger play today? I didn't notice.

Good job outta you.

Yes, Niswanger played. And he played decently. Number 64 in programs. Of course, the name "Niswanger' on the back of the jersey should have tipped you off.

Number 60 killed the Chiefs today.

Short Leash Hootie
11-18-2007, 11:14 PM
Ladies and Gentleman, remember making fun of the Browns and Bengles?

"We" are now "them".
we're 4-6...it's not like we're 0-10 or 2-8...it's a bad year, but I don't think we're the bottom dwellers you're trying to make us out to be...

We lost by 3 to the Colts on the road.

Not exactly the end of the world.

Disappointing? Yes.

Mecca
11-18-2007, 11:20 PM
Ladies and Gentleman, remember making fun of the Browns and Bengles?

"We" are now "them".

The Browns are better than us now.....they are also younger and more talented, it's sad.

Otter
11-18-2007, 11:22 PM
we're 4-6...it's not like we're 0-10 or 2-8...it's a bad year, but I don't think we're the bottom dwellers you're trying to make us out to be...

We lost by 3 to the Colts on the road.

Not exactly the end of the world.

Disappointing? Yes.

Hootie. Shut your ****ing retarded mouth.

el borracho
11-18-2007, 11:24 PM
Good job outta you.

Yes, Niswanger played. And he played decently. Number 64 in programs. Of course, the name "Niswanger' on the back of the jersey should have tipped you off.

Number 60 killed the Chiefs today.
No reason to get feisty- I'm just asking a question.

It will help us greatly if we have more than just Waters on the line next year.

Short Leash Hootie
11-18-2007, 11:32 PM
Hootie. Shut your ****ing retarded mouth.
or else what? Are you going to send me another drunk PM hitting on me like you did a few weeks ago?

Tribal Warfare
11-18-2007, 11:43 PM
Hootie. Shut your ****ing retarded mouth.


CPiggy dude

RedThat
11-18-2007, 11:52 PM
tk13, the problem is that Herm is not a true believer on offense. You open things up and yes, bad things are going to happen until you get your identity. Look at the 2001 Chiefs. Herm just doesn't have the stomach for the growing pains that come with running an NFL offense. One bad game and its back to the model T. He'll never change because he doesn't have the patience to suffer through the hard knocks of building a real NFL offense.

And that's the problem. Even if this team improves at the offensive line, with Herm here, we have a coach who will screw it up. his philosophy, and approach to offense has to change.

Deberg_1990
11-19-2007, 02:04 AM
So if Solari is fired are you ready for Dick Curl OC.


He was known as the "Mad Bomber" in NFL Europe circles!

Calcountry
11-19-2007, 02:08 PM
I liked this column. I agree with what Jason is sayin.

Basically hes telling us this team isnt worth griping about all the small stuff. Quit wasting your energy.

We are not a very good football team. The sooner you come to that conclusion (about week 2 for me) the better you will feel.

Just sit back and enjoy the youngsters learn and grow for the future.It would suck to be TG. Hall of fame career wasted in a mediocre environment.

chiefsfan1963
11-19-2007, 02:12 PM
I agree totally. Looking forward to a great draft next year! Hopefully a Top 10 or 15!

HemiEd
11-19-2007, 02:19 PM
It was almost like seeing one of your buddies try and pick up the hottest chick at the bar, having a chance for a while, and then out of nowhere watching him blow a snot rocket in plain sight.

Then you realize, why even get your hopes up for the guy? He is what he is.
ROFL

go bowe
11-19-2007, 02:25 PM
or else what? Are you going to send me another drunk PM hitting on me like you did a few weeks ago?oooh, oooh...

wowza hootman...

i didn't know you were that kind of guy...

nttiawwt...

Hydrae
11-19-2007, 02:29 PM
It would suck to be TG. Hall of fame career wasted in a mediocre environment.


Barry Sanders

HemiEd
11-19-2007, 02:35 PM
Barry Sanders

We have seen a lot of great Chiefs players, not make it to the big game in the last 37 years.

Will and DT are two of the first that come to mind.