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BigRedChief
11-19-2007, 08:02 AM
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14635513/detail.html

ACWORTH, Ga. -- Police say they've arrested three young boys on charges they kidnapped and raped an 11-year-old girl in the woods near an Acworth apartment complex.

Police say the boys -- who are 8 and 9 years old -- are in a Cobb County youth detention center but face adult criminal charges.

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Police reports show the girl went to authorities Saturday for the alleged attack, which she says happened Thursday.
The victim told police they had been playing outside the West Ridge Apartments before the attack.

"The three boys have been charged with crimes ranging from rape, sexual assault, kidnapping and false imprisonment," said Capt. Wayne Bennard of the Acworth Police Department.

The suspects are being held at the Cobb County Youth Detention Center.

Pushead2
11-19-2007, 08:03 AM
:spock: WTF

chasedude
11-19-2007, 08:07 AM
:shake: What's this world coming to?

stlchiefs
11-19-2007, 08:10 AM
WOW. What kind of environment do these kids grow up in to even know about such things at that age? Sick.

Mr. Plow
11-19-2007, 08:12 AM
WOW. What kind of environment do these kids grow up in to even know about such things at that age? Sick.

It all starts at home.

Lonewolf Ed
11-19-2007, 08:15 AM
It all starts at home.

Yes, and also with the remote control for the TV... How hard is it to find a show, fiction or not, about violent and abusive behavior?

talastan
11-19-2007, 08:19 AM
Does caning start to sound more promising of a punishment? How about for the parents?

Mecca
11-19-2007, 08:20 AM
Yes, and also with the remote control for the TV... How hard is it to find a show, fiction or not, about violent and abusive behavior?

That goes back to parents, some kids can handle watching anything, other's can't. I saw Lethal Weapon when I was 7 it didn't make me violent...other kids might flip out, it's your parents and how you are raised.

hawkchief
11-19-2007, 08:22 AM
Yes, and also with the remote control for the TV... How hard is it to find a show, fiction or not, about violent and abusive behavior?

Amen. While watching the Chiefs game with my 2 little girls yesterday, between the Viagra commercials and trailers for 2 /12 Men with Charlie Sheen and Jenny McCarthy's non-stop sexual innuendo, I almost pulled muscles racing to get the remote and switch channels.

Network TV is absolutely gone to $hit, and all they sell is SEX. (OK, so what if I set my DVR to tape Jenny McCarthy, that's beside the point :drool: ). The hard-on commercails should not be allowed on prior to 9pm, as should the commercials rife with sex and violence. It amazes me our country allows this shit to be broadcast to our kids, ad neusea.

Mecca
11-19-2007, 08:23 AM
I don't think your child at 2 gets Jenny McCarthy sexual innuendo...

HypnotizedMonkey
11-19-2007, 08:26 AM
:shake: What's this world coming to?


Mad Max

talastan
11-19-2007, 08:27 AM
Amen. While watching the Chiefs game with my 2 little girls yesterday, between the Viagra commercials and trailers for 2 /12 Men with Charlie Sheen and Jenny McCarthy's non-stop sexual innuendo, I almost pulled muscles racing to get the remote and switch channels.

Network TV is absolutely gone to $hit, and all they sell is SEX. (OK, so what if I set my DVR to tape Jenny McCarthy, that's beside the point :drool: ). The hard-on commercails should not be allowed on prior to 9pm, as should the commercials rife with sex and violence. It amazes me our country allows this shit.
I agree with that. Same goes for those "Talk to me about sex commercials" on Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon. The message is great for parents to educate their kids about sex but is there any reason to put this commercial during the afternoon. I've got a 6 yr old girl and a 5 yr boy and I know they aren't ready to talk about this stuff yet. It's flustrating trying to raise my children the way I want to when IMO the media promotes this crap however they want to and when they want to so they can force the issue. Again JMO

Demonpenz
11-19-2007, 08:29 AM
daddy how do I get arabian goggles?

Mecca
11-19-2007, 08:29 AM
Well the Cartoon Network does show adult swim.....which I honestly don't think would scar any kids but some parents are weird about that kinda thing.

hawkchief
11-19-2007, 08:31 AM
I don't think your child at 2 gets Jenny McCarthy sexual innuendo...

I wouldn't be worried if they were 2 years old. I have 2 girls that are 8 and 10.

Mecca
11-19-2007, 08:35 AM
I wouldn't be worried if they were 2 years old. I have 2 girls that are 8 and 10.

Oh I misread that......eh I think if you raise your kids well they know what is right and wrong, they may know what it means but they know if you get me. I'm sure they hear far worse things at school than you'd ever imagine....

I'll give you an example...when wrestling was really popular from 98-2002 my brother was 6-10 he watched it, still does actually he's 15 now.....they said suck it and did crotch chops....he never did that because even at 8 years old he understand it was a TV show.

Just like people that act like kids think video games are real, if you do your job as a parent even at a young age they get it.

talastan
11-19-2007, 08:46 AM
Well the Cartoon Network does show adult swim.....which I honestly don't think would scar any kids but some parents are weird about that kinda thing.

Yes but it is shown later at night so parents can decide if they want they're children exposed to this or not. My kids are watching Dora the Explorer, or any other Nick Jr show and these commercials come on. That's what makes me think that someone in the media is throwing big bucks to try and manipulate parenting. It's JMO though.....

BucEyedPea
11-19-2007, 08:46 AM
Probably latch-key kids with no one home and perhaps too easy access to porn at too early an age without any maturity.

hawkchief
11-19-2007, 08:47 AM
Oh I misread that......eh I think if you raise your kids well they know what is right and wrong, they may know what it means but they know if you get me. I'm sure they hear far worse things at school than you'd ever imagine....

I'll give you an example...when wrestling was really popular from 98-2002 my brother was 6-10 he watched it, still does actually he's 15 now.....they said suck it and did crotch chops....he never did that because even at 8 years old he understand it was a TV show.

Just like people that act like kids think video games are real, if you do your job as a parent even at a young age they get it.

Huh? My guess is you don't have kids. If you think as a parent of kids that know nothing about sex yet, that you can (or even want to) simply explain Viagra/erections, the endless parade of skanks and vicious murders that show up every 5 minutes on network TV, best of luck when you do have kids.

Unfortunately, the answer is to NOT watch network TV and rely on DVD movies and a very few select kid channels. There's absolutely no excuse to pollute our kids minds over the extra $$$$$ the networks need to make by pushing this junk non-stop.

Stuff like this rape of an 11 year old, while certainly influenced by poor parenting, is likely a product of our media, pure and simple.

Mecca
11-19-2007, 08:48 AM
Honest opinion, I don't have any kids so take this for what it's worth...

I can see the violence thing this country promotes tons of violence. But at the same time we have the "sex is dirty stigma" I think acting that way is more likely to push your kids to having sex earlier, if you make it bad and forbidden...

BigRedChief
11-19-2007, 08:49 AM
Stuff like this rape of an 11 year old, while certainly influenced by poor parenting, is likely a product of our media, pure and simple.
Since I don't remember getting woody's at 8 years old you are saying if I had been exposed to media I would have been a rapist?

Mecca
11-19-2007, 08:49 AM
Huh? My guess is you don't have kids. If you think as a parent of kids that know nothing about sex yet, that you can (or even want to) simply explain Viagra/erections, the endless parade of skanks and vicious murders that show up every 5 minutes on network TV, best of luck when you do have kids.

Unfortunately, the answer is to NOT watch network TV and rely on DVD movies and a very few select kid channels. There's absolutely no excuse to pollute our kids minds over the extra $$$$$ the networks need to make by pushing this junk non-stop.

Stuff like this rape of an 11 year old, while certainly influenced by poor parenting, is likely a product of our media, pure and simple.

I don't have any kids.....but I'm just going on my experience growing up and how my parents were/are and we all turned out fine. I watched R, Rated movies when I was your kids ages.

talastan
11-19-2007, 08:53 AM
Stuff like this rape of an 11 year old, while certainly influenced by poor parenting, is likely a product of our media, pure and simple.
I agree except it is a product of both. Regardless of the the media's lack of responsiblity it still falls on the parents to monitor what their children are exposed to. I just hate feeling like it's me against the world in relation to raising my children. As for Mecca, I once thought the same as you before I had kids. It completely changes you outlook on the world and what you thought before you had children.

I agree that Sex is not a "dirty" thing. I just think that it is up to the parent to decide when it is an appropriate time for their child to handle the knowledge. I know that my children will be able to handle it responsibly some day but not anytime soon.

Mr. Plow
11-19-2007, 08:54 AM
Sex can be dirty........

hawkchief
11-19-2007, 08:55 AM
Honest opinion, I don't have any kids so take this for what it's worth...

I can see the violence thing this country promotes tons of violence. But at the same time we have the "sex is dirty stigma" I think acting that way is more likely to push your kids to having sex earlier, if you make it bad and forbidden...

There's a big difference between saying/teaching "Sex is dirty", than the incessant force-feeding "sex is awesome/girls should wear next to nothing/ everyone in the world in a CSI agent because there are murders all day long, blah, blah, blah, down the throats of society, literally every 5 minutes in TV today's environment.

If you don't have kids, I can see how you might be anesthesized to it, but believe me, we simply can't/won't watch network TV, or even the local news for that matter, which has become little more than a discussion of murder, rape, terrorism and crime. Sadly, our media is WAY out of control and very few seem to get it.

talastan
11-19-2007, 08:56 AM
I don't have any kids.....but I'm just going on my experience growing up and how my parents were/are and we all turned out fine. I watched R, Rated movies when I was your kids ages.

Sorry man but "R" rated movies from when we were kids are not the same as they are today. Lot of difference and a lot less censorship.

Mecca
11-19-2007, 08:57 AM
I'm probably not speaking from great experience because I don't watch network TV myself.....I've never watched CSI, or any of those shows basically, I occasionally watch House...I don't watch the news because it's nothing more than agenda laden propaganda.

I basically watch mostly sports, movies, and yes I watch pro wrestling other than that I don't watch TV.

Mecca
11-19-2007, 08:58 AM
Sorry man but "R" rated movies from when we were kids are not the same as they are today. Lot of difference and a lot less censorship.

I think it would depend on my kid, I don't plan on having any but hypothetically. Some children do mature faster than others.....you can meet kids that are 12 that are more mature than 15 year olds.....sad but true.

Mr. Plow
11-19-2007, 08:59 AM
As for my kids......

My 8 year old is allowed to watch some cartoon network. Not a whole lot. There are some shows on there that he just doesn't need to see. He can watch some PG-13 shows on two conditions - #1 I've seen the movie prior and there is nothing too bad in it, #2 He watches it with me.

My 3 & 2 year olds are already watching Spongebob. Mainly because their older brother watches it. I'd much rather they watch Mickey Mouse Playhouse or some other Disney channel show.

JBucc
11-19-2007, 09:00 AM
I hope their school at least gave them condoms.

Mecca
11-19-2007, 09:01 AM
As for my kids......

My 8 year old is allowed to watch some cartoon network. Not a whole lot. There are some shows on there that he just doesn't need to see. He can watch some PG-13 shows on two conditions - #1 I've seen the movie prior and there is nothing too bad in it, #2 He watches it with me.

My 3 & 2 year olds are already watching Spongebob. Mainly because their older brother watches it. I'd much rather they watch Mickey Mouse Playhouse or some other Disney channel show.

Can your kid watch Aqua Teen, because that show rules all....

hawkchief
11-19-2007, 09:05 AM
I'm probably not speaking from great experience because I don't watch network TV myself.....I've never watched CSI, or any of those shows basically, I occasionally watch House...I don't watch the news because it's nothing more than agenda laden propaganda.

I basically watch mostly sports, movies, and yes I watch pro wrestling other than that I don't watch TV.

I've never watched a CSI episode in my life either, and frankly haven't watched much on network TV for years. My point is, that it's difficult for me to even watch a Chiefs game, or other type of sporting event with my family, due to the commercials on network TV. By the time you watch a Chiefs game for 3 hours, you know all you need to know about being a CSI detective, and certainly know what to do if you have an erection for more than 4 hours if you use Viagra - consult a physician!

While there are plenty of "bad" shows on cable, IMO, the bigger problem for parents these days lies in the network TV advertisments. It's easy for me to legislate the channels and shows my kids watch, but it's very frustrating to tune in a sporting event and get barraged by T & A, murder and Viva Viagra!!!!! Someone needs to invent a blocker for kid-inapropriate commercials, I'd pay for it.

Mecca
11-19-2007, 09:07 AM
Well the network is going to do that because they pay tons of money for the games so they want to advertise their shows and CSI is extremely popular for some reason.

Are you afraid your daughter is going to be like "what is viagra?" that you can't just let it go like it was nothing..this is an honest question.

hawkchief
11-19-2007, 09:08 AM
Since I don't remember getting woody's at 8 years old you are saying if I had been exposed to media I would have been a rapist?

Too bad they didn't have Viagra back then - you'd have enjoyed June Cleaver a lot more than you did!

hawkchief
11-19-2007, 09:16 AM
Well the network is going to do that because they pay tons of money for the games so they want to advertise their shows and CSI is extremely popular for some reason.

Are you afraid your daughter is going to be like "what is viagra?" that you can't just let it go like it was nothing..this is an honest question.

At 10, even 8 years old, as a parent, you are past trying to shove your kids' questions under the rug. Santa's out in the open as are many other things. Erections and sex aren't, (that sounded awful, didn't it!!!) and won't be for a while, particularly for the 8 year old. If the Viagra ads didn't run 6 times and hour, your point would be more valid.

I realize this is all about the $$$ generated by the commercials, and that's my point - the networks should give more consideration to the families watching their product. I realize that one could say I shouldn't watch if I don't like it, and that's fine to feel that way. From my perspective, however, it's sad that in our country the $$$ have become so important that a dad can't watch a football game with his kids anymore.

Mr. Plow
11-19-2007, 09:17 AM
Can your kid watch Aqua Teen, because that show rules all....

I'm not sure I've ever watched it.....so no. Not until I've seen it and approved of it first.

Mecca
11-19-2007, 09:19 AM
I know I'm younger than you and everything...I wouldn't show my kids porn but I don't think I'd flip at an add for Viagra, I'd just be like oh it's a prescription medication.

You don't have to go "oh it makes your dick hard" LOL

hawkchief
11-19-2007, 09:25 AM
I know I'm younger than you and everything...I wouldn't show my kids porn but I don't think I'd flip at an add for Viagra, I'd just be like oh it's a prescription medication.

You don't have to go "oh it makes your dick hard" LOL

I wish you luck, should you ever have kids. You're making it out to be far easier than what reality is. Find a 10 year-old, have them watch 20 Viagra commercials in a few hours and then and see if they are satisfied being told it's "presecription medication". Have fun.

chasedude
11-19-2007, 09:26 AM
I know I'm younger than you and everything...I wouldn't show my kids porn but I don't think I'd flip at an add for Viagra, I'd just be like oh it's a prescription medication.

You don't have to go "oh it makes your dick hard" LOL


I'd love to block those commercials because they're so damn stupid! Get real, a bunch of guys sitting around playing instruments singing "Viva Viagra!" :shake:

There should be a spam filter for televisions like there is for email... block the commercials like you block the spam.

Mr. Laz
11-19-2007, 09:28 AM
i don't think i even "got wood" until i was like 10 or older. :shake:

Saulbadguy
11-19-2007, 09:28 AM
I've never watched a CSI episode in my life either, and frankly haven't watched much on network TV for years. My point is, that it's difficult for me to even watch a Chiefs game, or other type of sporting event with my family, due to the commercials on network TV. By the time you watch a Chiefs game for 3 hours, you know all you need to know about being a CSI detective, and certainly know what to do if you have an erection for more than 4 hours if you use Viagra - consult a physician!

While there are plenty of "bad" shows on cable, IMO, the bigger problem for parents these days lies in the network TV advertisments. It's easy for me to legislate the channels and shows my kids watch, but it's very frustrating to tune in a sporting event and get barraged by T & A, murder and Viva Viagra!!!!! Someone needs to invent a blocker for kid-inapropriate commercials, I'd pay for it.
:deevee: :deevee: :deevee:

Cochise
11-19-2007, 09:30 AM
Where did these kids learn this? Either TV, or their parents.

I think the cops ought to look at their parents to see if they've been exposing them to pr0n or abusing them in some way. A distinct possibility.

Probably more likely is just that they just turned on the tv during the hours of 7-10 PM.

I often wonder why shows have to be so gratuitous. Using violence for effect is one thing, but just having it for its own sake is so commonplace.

Valiant
11-19-2007, 09:33 AM
I agree with that. Same goes for those "Talk to me about sex commercials" on Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon. The message is great for parents to educate their kids about sex but is there any reason to put this commercial during the afternoon. I've got a 6 yr old girl and a 5 yr boy and I know they aren't ready to talk about this stuff yet. It's flustrating trying to raise my children the way I want to when IMO the media promotes this crap however they want to and when they want to so they can force the issue. Again JMO


Wow most of the child sex ed gurus said you should start having the talks about this stuff from 5-10, because if not they will learn about it from their friends.. If you don't talk about it with them when they see it they either will get no information or the wrong information about sex or what kind of images they see on TV..

IMO this is just bad parenting pure and simple, you can't blame the TV for the parents inability to govern their children responsibly and teach them what is right and wrong..

Cochise
11-19-2007, 09:35 AM
Wow most of the child sex ed gurus said you should start having the talks about this stuff from 5-10, because if not they will learn about it from their friends.. If you don't talk about it with them when they see it they either will get no information or the wrong information about sex or what kind of images they see on TV..

IMO this is just bad parenting pure and simple, you can't blame the TV for the parents inability to govern their children responsibly and teach them what is right and wrong..

Exactly, if you don't talk to your kids about it, their friends who have loser parents who let them watch whatever they want and get into dad's dirty mag collection are going to fill them in.

penguinz
11-19-2007, 09:37 AM
Blaming TV or video games is a cop-out for the parents. Parenting has much, much , much more to do with this stuff.

Valiant
11-19-2007, 09:38 AM
Where did these kids learn this? Either TV, or their parents.

I think the cops ought to look at their parents to see if they've been exposing them to pr0n or abusing them in some way. A distinct possibility.

Probably more likely is just that they just turned on the tv during the hours of 7-10 PM.

I often wonder why shows have to be so gratuitous. Using violence for effect is one thing, but just having it for its own sake is so commonplace.


More then likely one of them was molested, but bottom line is the parents should have been seeing what they were watching/doing.. The children shouldn't watch shows like that but come on, when most of you were younger you tried to watch the movie channels or get nudie magazines without your parents knowing.. Only difference is it seems these parents did not give a damn about their children..

And if you do not like the shows get rid of cable and just have the basic channels of 3/5/9.. But Damn those news station for being gratuitous also..

penguinz
11-19-2007, 09:39 AM
At 10, even 8 years old, as a parent, you are past trying to shove your kids' questions under the rug. Santa's out in the open as are many other things. Erections and sex aren't, (that sounded awful, didn't it!!!) and won't be for a while, particularly for the 8 year old. If the Viagra ads didn't run 6 times and hour, your point would be more valid.

I realize this is all about the $$$ generated by the commercials, and that's my point - the networks should give more consideration to the families watching their product. I realize that one could say I shouldn't watch if I don't like it, and that's fine to feel that way. From my perspective, however, it's sad that in our country the $$$ have become so important that a dad can't watch a football game with his kids anymore.You are right. Sexual crimes are a result of viagra commercials on TV.

Mr. Plow
11-19-2007, 09:40 AM
I often wonder why shows have to be so gratuitous. Using violence for effect is one thing, but just having it for its own sake is so commonplace.


CSI's are the worst. I understand seeing the death of the person, but is there really a need to show the freakin' autopsy? Just tell me what you learned from it, you don't need to show me how you learned it.

Demonpenz
11-19-2007, 09:41 AM
i had no idea how racy the news casts were getting until I saw phil whit in a skin tight leisure suit

Cochise
11-19-2007, 09:45 AM
The children shouldn't watch shows like that but come on, when most of you were younger you tried to watch the movie channels or get nudie magazines without your parents knowing..

We had basic cable when I was little. I couldn't see anything on it. They didn't get movie channels for that purpose. There were never any nudie magazines around.

In fact, I can tell you the first time I saw an explicit photograph, me and this other kid were riding our bikes through this wooded area near the subdivision we lived in, and there was this little clearing in the middle where we would hang out, eat candy and read comic books or look at baseball cards and stuff. We showed up there one day and there was a stack of pron mags sitting there.

That was WAY earlier in my life than I would naturally have begun to think about women in a sexual context. I thought it was gross. But I never forgot it. I still remember what the images looked like and I don't think I'll ever forget either. It wasn't distressing to me or anything like that, but it was a formative experience, and not the way a kid ought to have one.

I don't think that is any different than if when I was a kid, some sicko had exposed himself or something. Kids shouldn't be exposed to this stuff until they are old enough to sort through it.

We want to make laws to keep cold medicine away from them now, but we are going to be lackluster about exposing them to this kind of stuff?

It's bad stuff for a kid's developing mind.

penguinz
11-19-2007, 09:54 AM
We had basic cable when I was little. I couldn't see anything on it. They didn't get movie channels for that purpose. There were never any nudie magazines around.

In fact, I can tell you the first time I saw an explicit photograph, me and this other kid were riding our bikes through this wooded area near the subdivision we lived in, and there was this little clearing in the middle where we would hang out, eat candy and read comic books or look at baseball cards and stuff. We showed up there one day and there was a stack of pron mags sitting there.

That was WAY earlier in my life than I would naturally have begun to think about women in a sexual context. I thought it was gross. But I never forgot it. I still remember what the images looked like and I don't think I'll ever forget either. It wasn't distressing to me or anything like that, but it was a formative experience, and not the way a kid ought to have one.

I don't think that is any different than if when I was a kid, some sicko had exposed himself or something. Kids shouldn't be exposed to this stuff until they are old enough to sort through it.

We want to make laws to keep cold medicine away from them now, but we are going to be lackluster about exposing them to this kind of stuff?

It's bad stuff for a kid's developing mind.
ROFL

BIG_DADDY
11-19-2007, 10:53 AM
We had basic cable when I was little. I couldn't see anything on it. They didn't get movie channels for that purpose. There were never any nudie magazines around.

In fact, I can tell you the first time I saw an explicit photograph, me and this other kid were riding our bikes through this wooded area near the subdivision we lived in, and there was this little clearing in the middle where we would hang out, eat candy and read comic books or look at baseball cards and stuff. We showed up there one day and there was a stack of pron mags sitting there.

That was WAY earlier in my life than I would naturally have begun to think about women in a sexual context. I thought it was gross. But I never forgot it. I still remember what the images looked like and I don't think I'll ever forget either. It wasn't distressing to me or anything like that, but it was a formative experience, and not the way a kid ought to have one.

I don't think that is any different than if when I was a kid, some sicko had exposed himself or something. Kids shouldn't be exposed to this stuff until they are old enough to sort through it.

We want to make laws to keep cold medicine away from them now, but we are going to be lackluster about exposing them to this kind of stuff?

It's bad stuff for a kid's developing mind.

I used to go to my cousins when I was real young like 6-8 years old. He had a whole closet full of girly mags. I liked it then I didn't think it was gross. It never made me want to gang rape some young girl. I think what you're saying is a bit of a stretch. In an ideal world you are right, they would never be exposed to the stuff. Parenting is the key. It's not the rest of the worlds resopnsibilty to raise our kids.

BIG_DADDY
11-19-2007, 10:57 AM
BTW I think they will have a hard time getting an adult conviction out of this.

mcan
11-19-2007, 11:38 AM
I'm interested to know what the hell happened FOR REAL. I doubt, quite a bit, that a rape happened in the adult sense of the word rape. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the kids were pretending to be outlaws or something and took the girl out into the woods with a rope. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the kids touched each other out the woods. Wouldn't surprise me if they all came home a bit too late and got in trouble for being out in the woods. It also wouldn't surprise me if the girl came home and felt really guilty and started crying. It also wouldn't surprise me if Mom asked a ton of questions that eventually led her to the conclusion that something much more serious happened.

BIG_DADDY
11-19-2007, 11:49 AM
I'm interested to know what the hell happened FOR REAL. I doubt, quite a bit, that a rape happened in the adult sense of the word rape. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the kids were pretending to be outlaws or something and took the girl out into the woods with a rope. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the kids touched each other out the woods. Wouldn't surprise me if they all came home a bit too late and got in trouble for being out in the woods. It also wouldn't surprise me if the girl came home and felt really guilty and started crying. It also wouldn't surprise me if Mom asked a ton of questions that eventually led her to the conclusion that something much more serious happened.

Wouldn't surprise me either. How many of us played a little doctor as young kids just trying to figure out what was going on? I still remember my neighbor Debbie in our garage wanting to do one of those I'll show you mine if you show me yours delio's too. It will be interesting to see how this one plays out.

Cochise
11-19-2007, 11:50 AM
I used to go to my cousins when I was real young like 6-8 years old. He had a whole closet full of girly mags. I liked it then I didn't think it was gross.

I probably got too personal there, but this wasn't garden variety soft core stuff.

BIG_DADDY
11-19-2007, 11:53 AM
I probably got too personal there, but this wasn't garden variety soft core stuff.

Did you look at it more than once? :hmmm: Be honest.

Hydrae
11-19-2007, 11:54 AM
I'm interested to know what the hell happened FOR REAL. I doubt, quite a bit, that a rape happened in the adult sense of the word rape. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the kids were pretending to be outlaws or something and took the girl out into the woods with a rope. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the kids touched each other out the woods. Wouldn't surprise me if they all came home a bit too late and got in trouble for being out in the woods. It also wouldn't surprise me if the girl came home and felt really guilty and started crying. It also wouldn't surprise me if Mom asked a ton of questions that eventually led her to the conclusion that something much more serious happened.

Thank you for addressing the OP. I agree, more details would be needed but this seems like the charges have got to be over the top. I have a hard time imagining that kids that age would have a clue what to do, certainly not to the point that they could force themselves on someone else.

The only possible exception to that would be if one or more of the boys has been molested and thus has learned things a child his age should never have to deal with. That is not an excuse but, IMO, changes how you go about punishing the behaviour.

Thig Lyfe
11-19-2007, 12:05 PM
I think we're all missing the real cause: Georgia is one f*cked up state.

go bowe
11-19-2007, 12:40 PM
We had basic cable when I was little. I couldn't see anything on it. They didn't get movie channels for that purpose. There were never any nudie magazines around.

In fact, I can tell you the first time I saw an explicit photograph, me and this other kid were riding our bikes through this wooded area near the subdivision we lived in, and there was this little clearing in the middle where we would hang out, eat candy and read comic books or look at baseball cards and stuff. We showed up there one day and there was a stack of pron mags sitting there.

That was WAY earlier in my life than I would naturally have begun to think about women in a sexual context. I thought it was gross. But I never forgot it. I still remember what the images looked like and I don't think I'll ever forget either. It wasn't distressing to me or anything like that, but it was a formative experience, and not the way a kid ought to have one.

I don't think that is any different than if when I was a kid, some sicko had exposed himself or something. Kids shouldn't be exposed to this stuff until they are old enough to sort through it.

We want to make laws to keep cold medicine away from them now, but we are going to be lackluster about exposing them to this kind of stuff?

It's bad stuff for a kid's developing mind.i have 4 sons, ranging in age from 26 to 40...

tv didn't hurt them none...

and they have turned out ok...

as far as wanting to restrict what your child might see, that's between you, your kids and the tv...

but what gives you guys the right to impose your views on anybody else's children?

don't like it? don't watch it...

simple...

go bowe
11-19-2007, 12:47 PM
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We want to make laws to keep cold medicine away from them now, but we are going to be lackluster about exposing them to this kind of stuff?

It's bad stuff for a kid's developing mind.are you saying that there are laws that keep cold medicine away from children?

or are you talking about the restrictions on the quantities that can be purchased at one time?

i had thought those kinds of restrictions were in response to the ever growing threat of homemade speed...

i could be wrong, but that's not exactly a surprise at this point...

go bowe
11-19-2007, 12:56 PM
Exactly, if you don't talk to your kids about it, their friends who have loser parents who let them watch whatever they want and get into dad's dirty mag collection are going to fill them in.kids, tv and mags, other kids, other kid's parents, the list goes on and on...

kids learn about sex from their peers...

kids younger and younger are engaging in sex...

some girls. as young as jr. high, routinely give their bf's terrific blow jobs, on demand, so to speak...

unfortunately for me, i was born way too soon... :deevee: :deevee: :deevee:

Cochise
11-19-2007, 12:57 PM
are you saying that there are laws that keep cold medicine away from children?

or are you talking about the restrictions on the quantities that can be purchased at one time?

i had thought those kinds of restrictions were in response to the ever growing threat of homemade speed...

i could be wrong, but that's not exactly a surprise at this point...

I was talking about the recent furor about how dangerous cold medicines are for kids. Not that I have been following that closely. We want to protect them from cough syrup, but pron is ok?

listopencil
11-19-2007, 01:05 PM
Hmmm.....

First, I don't have cable TV in my house. I don't have satellite TV either. Nothing but an antennae so we watch broadcast TV and movie rentals.

Second, we don't let our kids watch stuff that isn't appropriate for their age level. I screen movies before I let them watch if they look like they might be iffy.

I might get a lot of crap for watching things like "American Idol" with my kids and I don't get to watch all of my Bronco games but I can live with that. What you are seeing from stories like this is lazy parenting. Or zero parenting, whichever the case may be. I believe that you are going to have to accept certain "sacrifices" when you have a kid. If you aren't ready to accept those "sacrifices" then you aren't ready to be a parent.


Not having adult-level entertainment in your house sometimes? That's got to be one of the mildest "sacrifices" I know of. If you can't even do that...you're pathetic.

Groves
11-19-2007, 01:15 PM
I'd sure pay to fix a box to the tv that let me skip commercials. Heck yes.

I'm sure I could TIVO the whole world and just watch it 3 min delayed, but not every commercial break is the same length. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why the TV networks aren't shining to the idea of people being able to skip commercials. Sure wish there'd be a way around it.

BIG_DADDY
11-19-2007, 02:08 PM
Hmmm.....

First, I don't have cable TV in my house. I don't have satellite TV either. Nothing but an antennae so we watch broadcast TV and movie rentals.

Second, we don't let our kids watch stuff that isn't appropriate for their age level. I screen movies before I let them watch if they look like they might be iffy.

I might get a lot of crap for watching things like "American Idol" with my kids and I don't get to watch all of my Bronco games but I can live with that. What you are seeing from stories like this is lazy parenting. Or zero parenting, whichever the case may be. I believe that you are going to have to accept certain "sacrifices" when you have a kid. If you aren't ready to accept those "sacrifices" then you aren't ready to be a parent.


Not having adult-level entertainment in your house sometimes? That's got to be one of the mildest "sacrifices" I know of. If you can't even do that...you're pathetic.

I may even consider home schooling.

picasso
11-19-2007, 02:36 PM
I have trouble believing this case with no info about it. For one there is a huge jump in size and maturity from 8 and 9 compared to an 11 year old girl to be called an attack. Something not right about that.
Another thing to keep in mind and I am sorry that some of you guys didn't experience this but there used to be a thing called playing doctor. I'm not saying that that's the case here but the girl obviously waited to days and with the assistance of a parent decided to press charges against two boys down the three years younger than her.
I'll beileve it was rape whene I here more about the case, geez an 8 year old can't even pop a boner for that purpose, unless someones palying with it or he's taken a piss.

banyon
11-19-2007, 03:48 PM
Just reading this thread. This is some f***ed up s*** right here. Makes me want to live somewhere else.

RaiderSithLord
11-19-2007, 03:50 PM
Wow... To borrow a word from a firend of mine... buffoonary... pure buffonary...

go bowe
11-19-2007, 09:22 PM
I was talking about the recent furor about how dangerous cold medicines are for kids. Not that I have been following that closely. We want to protect them from cough syrup, but pron is ok?haven't heard about the recent furor over cold medicines...

but porn is like alcohol in some ways...

if a teenage kid really wants to get alcohol, he or she will...

and if a teenage kid wants to get some porn, he or she will...

wrt younger kids, comcast has some effective child locks that parents can use to restrict the kids to wholesome channels and programs...

which i would use if there were any young children living in my house..

Thig Lyfe
11-19-2007, 10:05 PM
I may even consider home schooling.

You want your children to be socially retarded?

barry_smilez20
11-19-2007, 10:06 PM
its that damn marlyn manson and mtv music videos

stlchiefs
11-19-2007, 10:11 PM
I hope their school at least gave them condoms.

Nope, they start that in 5th grade.

Kiddie Condoms (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE1DA143AF93BA15754C0A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print)

Thig Lyfe
11-19-2007, 10:11 PM
its that damn marlyn manson and mtv music videos

Don't forget video games. Durn Tetris, always makin' kids rape this, makin ' kids shoot that.

barry_smilez20
11-19-2007, 10:14 PM
Don't forget video games. Durn Tetris, always makin' kids rape this, makin ' kids shoot that.

ya and you forgot about mario kart racing

KcMizzou
11-19-2007, 10:14 PM
Don't forget video games. Durn Tetris, always makin' kids rape this, makin ' kids shoot that.I once raped a cardboard box after playing Tetris... couldn't help myself. It's was sittin' there... lookin' all square.

It was askin' for it.

barry_smilez20
11-19-2007, 10:15 PM
I once raped a cardboard box after playing Tetris... couldn't help myself. It's was sittin' there... lookin' all square.

It was askin' for it.

those squares are damn sexy

KcMizzou
11-19-2007, 10:18 PM
those squares are damn sexyHell yeah.

Don't even get me started on triangles.

barry_smilez20
11-19-2007, 10:23 PM
Hell yeah.

Don't even get me started on triangles.
and those L shaped things

barry_smilez20
11-19-2007, 10:23 PM
and i thought 11 year old were legal?

BigRedChief
11-20-2007, 05:03 AM
Just reading this thread. This is some f***ed up s*** right here. Makes me want to live somewhere else.
Heard that Peru was a cool place. You should go check it out.

BigRedChief
11-20-2007, 06:30 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/11/19/child.rape/index.html

Now one of the Dad's is saying it was consensual. She said it was rape to keep from getting in trouble. Prosecuter says doesn't matter. She was too young to consent.

Okay, if she was too young to know what she is doing or consenting to at 11. What does that say about the 8 year old?

Either way this is a fu#$ed up situation.

CoMoChief
11-20-2007, 06:31 AM
Yes, and also with the remote control for the TV... How hard is it to find a show, fiction or not, about violent and abusive behavior?
OMG, stop.

scott free
11-20-2007, 06:39 AM
Its not going to get any better either, we'll be hearing more & more stories like this as time goes on.

Civil society is slowly disintegrating.

BigRedChief
11-20-2007, 07:26 AM
off the same TV stations website:

Archbishop has sex with this brothers wife.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14642059/detail.html

DECATUR, Ga. -- The 80-year-old leader of a suburban Atlanta megachurch is at the center of a sex scandal of biblical dimensions: He slept with his brother's wife and fathered a child by her.


Members of Archbishop Earl Paulk's family stood at the pulpit of the Cathedral of the Holy Spirit at Chapel Hill Harvester Church a few Sundays ago and revealed the secret exposed by a recent court-ordered paternity test.

Previous Sex Scandals


In truth, this is not the first -- or even the second -- sex scandal to engulf Paulk and the independent, charismatic church. But this time, he could be in trouble with the law for lying under oath about the affair.


The living proof of that lie is 34-year-old D.E. Paulk, who for years was known publicly as Earl Paulk's nephew.

"I am so very sorry for the collateral damage it's caused our family and the families hurt by the removing of the veil that hid our humanity and our sinfulness," said D.E. Paulk, who received the mantle of head pastor a year and a half ago.


D.E. Paulk said he did not learn the secret of his parentage until the paternity test. "I was disappointed, and I was surprised," he said.

Earl Paulk, his brother, Don, and his sister-in-law, Clariece, did not return calls for comment.


A judge ordered the test at the request of the Cobb County district attorney's office and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, which are investigating Earl Paulk for possible perjury and false-swearing charges stemming from a lawsuit.

Paulks Facing Lawsuit


The archbishop, his brother and the church are being sued by former church employee Mona Brewer, who says Earl Paulk manipulated her into an affair from 1989 to 2003 by telling her it was her only path to salvation. Earl Paulk admitted to the affair in front of the church last January.


In a 2006 deposition stemming from the lawsuit, the archbishop said under oath that the only woman he had ever had sex with outside of his marriage was Brewer. But the paternity test said otherwise.

So far no charges have been filed against Earl Paulk. District Attorney Pat Head and GBI spokesman John Bankhead would not comment.


The shocking results of the paternity test are speeding up a transformation already under way in the church after more than a decade of sex scandals and lawsuits involving the Paulks, D.E. Paulk said.



"It was a necessary evil to bring us back to a God-consciousness," said the younger Paulk, explaining that the church had become too personality-driven and prone to pastor worship.

Mecca
11-20-2007, 07:31 AM
Its not going to get any better either, we'll be hearing more & more stories like this as time goes on.

Civil society is slowly disintegrating.

Oh great as the thread turns...

BigRedChief
11-21-2007, 06:14 AM
Its not going to get any better either, we'll be hearing more & more stories like this as time goes on.

Civil society is slowly disintegrating.
Collapse from within. Isn't that what happened with the Romans?:hmmm:

scott free
11-21-2007, 06:31 AM
Collapse from within. Isn't that what happened with the Romans?:hmmm:

Why yes, i believe it is.

scott free
11-21-2007, 06:33 AM
Oh great as the thread turns...

What in the hell is that supposed to mean???

If its what i think it is, like YOU have ANY right to comment on someone making a bummer observation on a f&cking thread.

JohnnyV13
11-22-2007, 12:30 PM
Collapse from within. Isn't that what happened with the Romans?:hmmm:


Yeah...the roman empire collapsed because commanders didnt butcher 10% of their troops (decimation) enough times for breaking formation in battle.

Roman also fell because they allowed degenerate religious practicies to gain ground vs. traditional worship (ie the mystery cult known as christianity instead of worshipping zues and appollo ect.)

Rome fell because troops were more concerned with loot than butchering the citizens of conquered cities. This "degenerate" morality in which soldiers didn't focus on slaughtering the enemy had nothing to do with not getting paid in coin in the late roman empire.

Furthermore, the collapse of the roman empire had nothing to do with a currency crisis so severe the emperor had to debase his coin and struggled to pay his troops (instead paying them in land). The inability of roman legions to regularly train together (because the soldiers got farms instead of pay so they were busy raising crops) had nothing to do with the roman legion losing its manueverability and military effectiveness

Yep...it was all about Morality.

Lets forget the fact that what the roman's considered "moral" and traditional values, we would have viewed as cruelty.

Furthermore, if Moral decline is what caused rome to fall, isn't it odd that this decline occurred when christianity had become the official religion of the empire?

Demonpenz
11-22-2007, 04:14 PM
Collapse from within. Isn't that what happened with the Romans?:hmmm:


yep each day in my masters history class we draw parrellels exactly how our collapsing mimics the romans. Scary indeed.

BigRedChief
11-23-2007, 05:07 AM
yep each day in my masters history class we draw parrellels exactly how our collapsing mimics the romans. Scary indeed.
So how long does the history professor say we have?