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C-Mac
11-20-2007, 06:45 AM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/11/20/rand_winning_ugly_is_tougher_than_it_looks/

RAND: Winning ugly is tougher than it looks
Nov 20, 2007, 1:48:41 AM by Jonathan Rand - FAQ


When you try to win the way Herm Edwards is trying this season, itís easy to get the impression heís not actually trying to win. You might get the impression heís simply trying not to lose.

That would be misleading. There actually is nothing wrong with Edwardsí approach. Whatís wrong is that he doesnít have enough good cards in his deck to win many pots, and nobody ever won an NFL game by bluffing.

Sure, you can get sleepy watching the Chiefs try to take the air out of the ball every Sunday. But in his second season, and with a deteriorating offensive line, Edwards was not going to assemble a beautifully balanced team.

His calling card as a player and coach has been defense. So itís no surprise that heís building a team that asks his defense to smother opponents and create turnovers and good field position.

On a good day, the Chiefs defense can hold a Super Bowl championship offense to 216 yards and one touchdown and make a future Hall of Fame quarterback appear ordinary. Thatís what the Chiefsí defense achieved Sunday in a 13-10 loss to the Colts at Indianapolis.

Now we all know itís written that defense wins championships, but also check the footnotes. They will tell you a defensive-minded teams also needs the semblance of a running game to keep the defense off the field as much as possible, enhance the whole teamís physical identity and gain enough first downs to get into field goal range.

A team built for defense also must have exceptional special teams, especially an ultra-reliable kicker to cash in on the few scoring opportunities arise. When you have an offense that cannot keep moving the chains, special teams are vital to provide points and good field position.

But look at the Chiefs on Sunday. They averaged 2.7 yards per rush, hardly the efficiency you need from a ball control offense. And the special teams were anything but special.

Dave Rayner missed field goal tries from 45 and 43 yards, both shorter than the one he made. The kicks he missed were no chip shots but were highly makeable in a domed stadium and if your kicker isnít accurate in those situations, you canít win playing Herm Ball.

Eddie Kennison replaced Eddie Drumond on punt returns but on his first return couldnít protect the ball and fumbled. The return units have been poor all season. Even Dustin Colquitt, star of the Chiefsí special teams, got off only a 37-yard punt in the fourth quarter, setting up Peyton Manning at his own 33-yard line for the Colts winning field goal drive.

When you realize the Chiefs had almost nothing going against the Colts except a tough defense and efficient passing by first-time starter Brodie Croyle, it becomes all the more amazing that the game was even close.

The Chicago Bears finished 13-3 last season, boring everyone silly outside Chicago. Their coach, Lovie Smith, comes from the same defensive fraternity as Edwards and the Coltsí Tony Dungy. But in addition to an outstanding defense, the 2006 Bears had an effective running game, an accurate kicker and the NFLís most dangerous kick returner. There was a lot more to that team than met the (sleepy) eye. They lacked a big-time passer, but little else.

The Chiefs, on the other hand, lack several key ingredients. They need to overhaul their offensive line and upgrade their special teams. Winning ugly is a lot tougher than it looks.

Count Zarth
11-20-2007, 06:46 AM
RAND: We'd be 0-10 without the magnificent Herm!

Mecca
11-20-2007, 06:53 AM
This article sucks, I'm sorry it's way to nice to the coaching staff. And the defense still isn't that great, let's not point out that the Colts are missing a ton of players it's not even remotely the same team that won the Superbowl at this moment.

If the defense was "smothering" Brett Favre wouldn't have bitch slapped them all through the 4th quarter on their homefield.

It's a way to fluffy piece, this offense will never be good with Herm he doesn't want a good offense. This team even when it has talent will never compete for a bowl because you can't win like that anymore..there are to many teams with good offenses and good enough defenses to beat a team that can't score.

the Talking Can
11-20-2007, 07:12 AM
another "trying to win is overrated" article

good thing the coach bears no responsibility for the roster or its performance....

HonestChieffan
11-20-2007, 07:15 AM
Rand is sometimes really good. Then there is this garbage. Did he know we had a great defencive performance against a totally screwed up by Injury Colt team?

The KC RedStar should edit these things.

stevieray
11-20-2007, 07:16 AM
You people are friggin crybabies...

Mecca
11-20-2007, 07:16 AM
Rand is sometimes really good. Then there is this garbage. Did he know we had a great defencive performance against a totally screwed up by Injury Colt team?

The KC RedStar should edit these things.

That doesn't matter man, just because they are the Colts it doesn't matter how many guys they are missing they are the same offensive threat apparently.

Mecca
11-20-2007, 07:19 AM
You people are friggin crybabies...

Because we know this approach will never win anything? Talent or no talent you do not win championships playing this way, and with a coach that has no balls to ever take a risk.

Bob Dole
11-20-2007, 07:20 AM
Oddly enough, aside from a few plays, Croyle appeared to have adequate time in the pocket to find receivers.

Hmmm...

JBucc
11-20-2007, 07:22 AM
Rand is right. I'm just amazed we only lost by 3! Thank you Chiefs for giving it your all against the defending Super Bowl champions! This was a great moral victory!!!!!!!11111

HonestChieffan
11-20-2007, 07:23 AM
Herm doesnt use a QB to throw to recievers...get with the program....Brodies job is to hand off, execute a great fake after the handoff, and toss little outlet passes to guys in double coverage 4 yards short of the 1st down marker.

We use recievers as decoys.

C-Mac
11-20-2007, 07:27 AM
Oddly enough, aside from a few plays, Croyle appeared to have adequate time in the pocket to find receivers.

Hmmm...

Indeed....

stevieray
11-20-2007, 07:33 AM
We use recievers as decoys.

EK had 1000 yards last season and Bowe is on par for the same this srason.

Mecca
11-20-2007, 07:36 AM
I think we're starting to get to this point with WR's like we did RB's 1000 yards isn't a bench mark of a great player anymore. You only need to average about 70 yards a game...

12-1400 is when you get into the truly great players.

HonestChieffan
11-20-2007, 07:44 AM
Helps if the yards happen near this area called "End Zone"

TEX
11-20-2007, 07:45 AM
Rand's take does NOT explain WHY after playing Herm Ball for most of the game that the didn't TAKE A ****ING SHOT at the end to try and win it. It was sooooooo much like the DONX game in their place last year. When you hold the Colts, regardless of who they're missing on offense, to only 13 points in their house, you need to GO FOR THE WIN - period. That's what separates the winners from the Herm Edwards' :loser: of the NFL. :shake:

Mecca
11-20-2007, 07:47 AM
I guess it was because "Oh we were suppose to lose anyway so by only losing by 3 it's a moral victory" there were some posts here like that about how we should be happy about that game...

Chief Henry
11-20-2007, 08:16 AM
Rand is sucking Herms balls with this article.

Herman didn't give Brody Croyle a chance to
beat Peyton Manning.

Fyou Rand. Keep polishing Herms love muscle.

FAX
11-20-2007, 09:10 AM
Herm is god.

FAX

dj56dt58
11-20-2007, 10:10 AM
so we're playing NFC ball in the AFC?

Tribal Warfare
11-20-2007, 10:26 AM
Herman didn't give Brody Croyle a chance to
beat Peyton Manning.




His name is spelt Brodie lose the "y" ;) :thumb:

HemiEd
11-20-2007, 10:36 AM
Oddly enough, aside from a few plays, Croyle appeared to have adequate time in the pocket to find receivers.

Hmmm...

That is what I saw, I think they are trying harder with him in there.

bobbything
11-20-2007, 10:40 AM
EK had 1000 yards last season and Bowe is on par for the same this srason.
Eddie Kennison did not have 1000 yards last season. I don't know if you made that up, or were thinking about the 2005 season.

Edit: in fact, IIRC, we didn't have a 1000 yard receiver last season. I think Gonzalez came the closest.

RedThat
11-20-2007, 11:41 AM
I hate every columnist that works for kcchiefs.com.

It's like they always try to dance around, and cover up what goes wrong for the Chiefs.

big give them praise and try to sell to the fans the positives and the stuff they do right.

Yet whitlock is the opposite because he's a realist.