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Dave Lane
11-20-2007, 07:10 AM
Up by 28 he went for it twice on 4th down. He said "I really in that situation don't want to kick a field goal".

Not sure if there are any differences in results :rolleyes: but sometimes not playing to lose does pay off it appears.

Dave

Mecca
11-20-2007, 07:40 AM
Belichick is all about being the best and rubbing it in your face at how good they are...

Before Herm had coached 1 game here all he did was talk about how wrong it was of Vermiel to run up the score on Cincy.

Pushead2
11-20-2007, 07:42 AM
**** herm enough said.

KCChiefsFan88
11-20-2007, 07:44 AM
The Belichick approach has led to 3 Super Bowl wins and one of the most explosive offenses in NFL history.

The Herm approach has led to a career sub-.500 record and bringing an offense that was ranked #1 in the NFL just 2 seasons ago down to one of the worst offenses in the league.

Zouk
11-20-2007, 07:48 AM
Did he play that way in Cleveland without Brady?

Mecca
11-20-2007, 07:53 AM
They built that Pats team with smart savvy moves....something the Chiefs front office still hasn't figured out......

You think the Pats would have given LJ that contract...I think we all know what the answer is.

KCChiefsFan88
11-20-2007, 07:58 AM
This is why the Clark Hunt needs to do whatever it takes to bring Scott Pioli to KC.

I know Pioli has already rejected other offers that would seem to make more sense for him to move on to, but maybe the Chiefs can put together the ultimate golden carrot to lure him to KC (a big $$$$$ contract, complete control of the franchise, a lifetime supply of free Arthur Bryant's BBQ, etc).

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-20-2007, 08:03 AM
This is why the Clark Hunt needs to do whatever it takes to bring Scott Pioli to KC.

I know Pioli has already rejected other offers that would seem to make more sense for him to move on to, but maybe the Chiefs can put together the ultimate golden carrot to lure him to KC (a big $$$$$ contract, complete control of the franchise, a lifetime supply of free Arthur Bryant's BBQ, etc).

Perhaps Pioli really isn't the "genius" behind that franchise, and that's why he doesn't want to leave.

DaKCMan AP
11-20-2007, 08:07 AM
Up by 28 he went for it twice on 4th down. He said "I really in that situation don't want to kick a field goal".

Not sure if there are any differences in results :rolleyes: but sometimes not playing to lose does pay off it appears.

Dave

Finish his quote. He said he felt that kicking field goals is just tacking on points at that point. He said going for it on 4th down gave the other team a chance to stop them from scoring.

What a benevolent fellow.

DaKCMan AP
11-20-2007, 08:12 AM
People in KC wont even give Herm a chance.

Belicheck in his first 3 years in NE went 5-11, 11-5 and 9-7.

In year 2 when he "discovered" Tom Brady after Bledsoe went down they started 0-2. That year they ranked 19th in total offense and 24th in total defense.

If we hired Belicheck after what he did in Cleveland you all would be damning him just the same.

FringeNC
11-20-2007, 09:19 AM
Belichick is the anti-Herm because he actually plays the percentages -- such as going for it on 4th and short. Herm is so risk-averse he has no chance playing against guys like Belichick, who, you know, actually understand things like expected value.

Herm is a old-school zealot -- the evidence be damned. He's going to play not-to-lose no matter what.

DaKCMan AP
11-20-2007, 09:21 AM
Belichick is the anti-Herm because he actually plays the percentages -- such as going for it on 4th and short. Herm is so risk-averse he has no chance playing against guys like Belichick, who, you know, actually understand things like expected value.

Herm is a old-school zealot -- the evidence be damned. He's going to play not-to-lose no matter what.

It's a lot easier to go for it on 4th and short when you have a 28 point lead. I'd be interested to see if Belicheck's decision making differs when the score is close.

Bowser
11-20-2007, 09:22 AM
ARENA BALL!

FringeNC
11-20-2007, 09:22 AM
It's a lot easier to go for it on 4th and short when you have a 28 point lead. I'd be interested to see if Belicheck's decision making differs when the score is close.

Belichick has ALWAYS done that. He'll go for it on 4th down in his own territory in a tie-game.

Reerun_KC
11-20-2007, 04:29 PM
Belicheck = god

Herm = satan

Besides, Belicheck said in a pregame conference that the war is already won before the battle is even fought when you play Herm..

It is easier for Herm to play his style and lose, then it is to actually play NFL football and try to win.

Herm is lazy and doesnt want to put the effort into winning.. It takes way to much effort and foresight. Herm has neither and it shows up on game days.

HemiEd
11-20-2007, 04:33 PM
Belichick is all about being the best and rubbing it in your face at how good they are...

Before Herm had coached 1 game here all he did was talk about how wrong it was of Vermiel to run up the score on Cincy.

Yes, I don't think there is ever going to be any danger of a Herm Edwards team running up the score on anyone.

DaKCMan AP
11-20-2007, 04:52 PM
Yes, I don't think there is ever going to be any danger of a Herm Edwards team running up the score on anyone.

Herm beat Peyton and the Colts 41-0 in the playoffs.

Calcountry
11-20-2007, 05:01 PM
Finish his quote. He said he felt that kicking field goals is just tacking on points at that point. He said going for it on 4th down gave the other team a chance to stop them from scoring.

What a benevolent fellow.And more snaps to run down the clock before actually scoring, thus, shortening the game. What is more merciful. Kicking the FG and not taking any time off the clock or scoring the touchdown and winding down another 2 to 3 minutes.

The score doesn't matter at that point, just game over. That is the merciful approach.

Bill Parcells
11-20-2007, 05:01 PM
Did he play that way in Cleveland without Brady?
Brady was unproven in the first superbowl against the Rams, Lia. and he played to win at the end of that game, right?

DaKCMan AP
11-20-2007, 05:04 PM
Brady was unproven in the first superbowl against the Rams, Lia. and he played to win at the end of that game, right?

I think he was proven to the point of an 14-3 record as a starter.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-20-2007, 05:05 PM
People in KC wont even give Herm a chance.

Belicheck in his first 3 years in NE went 5-11, 11-5 and 9-7.

In year 2 when he "discovered" Tom Brady after Bledsoe went down they started 0-2. That year they ranked 19th in total offense and 24th in total defense.

If we hired Belicheck after what he did in Cleveland you all would be damning him just the same.

:spock:

Lest we forget in year 2 of his tenure with New England, he won the f*cking Super Bowl.

Nice of you to gloss over that one :shake:

Bill Parcells
11-20-2007, 05:06 PM
I think he was proven to the point of an 14-3 record as a starter.
First year starter with the Rams coming on strong at the end of that game? had it gone into OT the Patriots were going to lose.

He proved himself at the end of that game, even though he was great in that snow bowl.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-20-2007, 05:07 PM
Brady was unproven in the first superbowl against the Rams, Lia. and he played to win at the end of that game, right?

Exactly. No lesser than John Madden said at the beginning of that last drive that he would play for OT rather than risk driving down the field with Brady at the helm. A couple of dump offs to Jermaine Wiggins, Antowain Smith, and Troy Brown later, and Vinatieri drills the game winner.

jjjayb
11-20-2007, 05:08 PM
:spock:

Lest we forget in year 2 of his tenure with New England, he won the f*cking Super Bowl.

Nice of you to gloss over that one :shake:


ROFL

DaKCMan AP
11-20-2007, 05:11 PM
:spock:

Lest we forget in year 2 of his tenure with New England, he won the f*cking Super Bowl.

Nice of you to gloss over that one :shake:

I didn't "gloss" over it. I stated in year 2 he "discovered" Brady. It's not like he entered into the season saying "Geezus **** this guy's gonna be a star!!! Lets start him!!"

Bill's a "genius" in the same sense that Mike Martz and DV were "genius" with the Rams.

Bill Parcells
11-20-2007, 05:13 PM
I didn't "gloss" over it. I stated in year 2 he "discovered" Brady. It's not like he entered into the season saying "Geezus **** this guy's gonna be a star!!! Lets start him!!"

Bill's a "genius" in the same sense that Mike Martz and DV were "genius" with the Rams.
Do you remember the game plan against the Raiders? the Patriots were throwing the ball in the snow! :eek: A Herm no no!

Micjones
11-20-2007, 05:45 PM
Herm Edwards has no place in a comparison to Bill Belichick. In any way, shape, or form.

Reerun_KC
11-20-2007, 05:46 PM
Herm Edwards has no place in a comparison to a NFL Head Coach let alone Bill Belichick. In any way, shape, or form.


FYP

Brock
11-20-2007, 05:49 PM
I didn't "gloss" over it. I stated in year 2 he "discovered" Brady. It's not like he entered into the season saying "Geezus **** this guy's gonna be a star!!! Lets start him!!"

Bill's a "genius" in the same sense that Mike Martz and DV were "genius" with the Rams.

Uh, Martz and DV were a flash in the pan. The Patriots are comparable to the 70s Steelers.

Micjones
11-20-2007, 05:52 PM
FYP

Thank you kindly.

BigMeatballDave
11-20-2007, 05:57 PM
People can piss and moan about Belichick all they want. He's got 3 rings, soon to be 4. Nuff said...

Reerun_KC
11-20-2007, 05:57 PM
People can piss and moan about Belichick all they want. He's got 3 rings, soon to be 4. Nuff said...


Those are things Herm will never ever see as a coach....

Rain Man
11-20-2007, 06:11 PM
Herm Edwards elects to punt on extra-point attempts.

'Hamas' Jenkins
11-20-2007, 06:12 PM
I didn't "gloss" over it. I stated in year 2 he "discovered" Brady. It's not like he entered into the season saying "Geezus **** this guy's gonna be a star!!! Lets start him!!"

Bill's a "genius" in the same sense that Mike Martz and DV were "genius" with the Rams.

All you did was state his record in his first three years with the backhanded compliment attributed towards discovering Brady, as though it was just a regular 11-5 year in between two other campaigns of missing the playoffs. Lest we forget his franchise had just dropped about 70 mil on Drew Bledsoe, so it wasn't like he could bench him one game in. He got his lung sheared by Mo Lewis, and then when Belichick had to make the decision before the Super Bowl between a QB in his first year starting (who was an admitted game manager) and a guy who held every franchise record, won them the AFC Ch. game, and had QB'ed in a Super Bowl before, he chose the n00b.

That was a hella ballsy choice. Then he turned the guy he benched into a first rounder and offloaded that albatross of a contract.

Ozarks-Chiefs-Fan
11-20-2007, 07:12 PM
Herm Edwards elects to punt on extra-point attempts.
ROFL

Dave Lane
11-20-2007, 08:07 PM
Finish his quote. He said he felt that kicking field goals is just tacking on points at that point. He said going for it on 4th down gave the other team a chance to stop them from scoring.

What a benevolent fellow.


Didn't hear that on Espn...

Dav e

Dave Lane
11-20-2007, 08:35 PM
Yes, I don't think there is ever going to be any danger of a Herm Edwards team running up the score on anyone.

ROFL

Dave

Dave Lane
11-20-2007, 08:39 PM
Those are things Herm will never ever see as a coach....

Sure he will if he runs into Bill at the Superbowl from his seat in the stands.

Dave