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Joe Seahawk
07-06-2001, 11:39 PM
(written by Rick Reilly of Sports illustrated)

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has new billboards out that claim fishing is cruel. I totally agree. The last time I went, all I caught was a sunburn, three hooks in the back of my thigh and hell from my pals for forgetting the Off.

Unfortunately, this is not what PETA means. PETA means fishing is cruel to the fish. Seriously. PETA plans to put up billboards across the U.S. and in Canada that show a Labrador retriever with a hook in his bloody lip. IF YOU WOULDN'T DO IT TO A DOG, the signs say, WHY DO IT TO A FISH?

And, of course, the answer is: Because fish do not bring me my slippers.

Look, I wailed for the whales. I fumed over fur. I emotionally clubbed myself over the baby seals. But I'll be damned if I'm going to weep over a walleye.

PETA says fish feel pain and that to snag one with a steel hook, drag it along for 50 yards or so and then haul it out of the water so it suffocates is sick. "Why do we throw a Frisbee to some animals and a barbed hook to others?" PETA asks on its website.

And, of course, the answer is: Because fish really suck at catching Frisbees.

PETA thinks it's evil to eat fish, too. But why should we stop eating them when they eat each other? Besides, they had their chance to evolve. They could've crawled out of the primordial ooze with us, but they didn't. They decided to stay behind and swim in the water they pee in and go around never blinking. When fish lift their scaly butts past us in the food chain, they can eat us. Until then, pass the tartar sauce.

PETA even says catch-and-release is cruel. They say the harm and stress caused by being caught and released is sometimes enough to kill the fish later on. As if the fish go straight into therapy after being caught.

Fish: I'm telling you, Doc, I was just minding my own business when I got hauled into the sky, examined by some weird beings and then thrown back!

Fish psychiatrist: Lemme guess. A UFO, right?

I mean, what's PETA going to do? You'll be sitting at the counter in the deli, and suddenly, the PETA police will come running in, shouting, "All right, back away from the tuna melt and nobody gets hurt!" My God, we're talking about fish here. Fish have a brain the size of a corn kernel.

Professor James Rose, a University of Wyoming neuroscientist, studied fish for years and determined that they lack a neocortex (parts of which process the brain's response to pain), much like Cubs fans. Besides, if fish are so smart, why can you catch a fish, throw it back and then, two hours later, catch the same fish? I mean, do you really want to save something dumber than Robert Downey Jr.?

Didn't Jesus fish? He seemed like a pretty sensitive guy. When He zapped up all those fishes for 5,000 people, what do you think He did with them, throw them back?

I know, I know -- I hate hunting. But sitting in the back of a pickup, taking a rifle with an infrared scope and killing a deer from 1,000 yards away is not nearly the same thing as standing up to your spleen in icy rushing river water, trying to cast the perfectly tied fly into the perfect eddy to catch a rainbow trout. Is it our fault that the trout falls for it? Tell you what: I will get behind hunting when hunters come up with a shoot-and-release program.

Why does PETA stop at fish? Where does PETA stand on the plight of the worm? And plankton? And the 1,000,000 micro-organisms that are crushed by your boots every time you go on a nature hike? Have these PETA vegetarians ever gotten close to a broccoli to hear its screams as it's violently yanked from its birthplace and boiled to death?

Fishing is cruel? I always thought fishing was one of the most peaceful things you could do. What are fathers and sons supposed to do together, knit sweaters out of each other's navel lint? What are we supposed to read, Hemingway's Old Man and the Parking Lot?

I'll tell you one thing. Before I agree to this whole fish-human truce, somebody had better have a long face-to-face with the sharks about it. I say we send a bunch of PETA members down right away.

07-06-2001, 11:54 PM
Gezzzzzzzzzz...........are bored.......:) I agree with Peta most of the time....but I do love fish and have thrown them back with the look of "oh no I can't" :p

07-07-2001, 12:26 AM
When is someone FINALLY going to pass a law allowing the hunting of stupid people to be legal? Really?

I don't hunt, don't really fish, don't own a gun....

Know what?

That's my choice, and what's great about this country is it's mine to make. Kill whatever you want and eat it, I'm not going to. And I'll continue to support the rights of people I disagree with until the day I die. Free will, choice, and football......

All necessary....:D

07-07-2001, 10:23 AM
Well said Brad.

Oh by the way I belong to PETA. But not that PETA. I belong to the "People for the Eating of Tasty Animals" group.


07-07-2001, 11:54 AM
Ya gotta luv the PETA folks. Comedy like theirs would be rather expensive if you had to buy it.

Personally I enjoy the PETA people. I know one personally. I'm constantly offering her peices of fried chicken, or inviting her over for a cookout where I'll serve 'Charred animal flesh over an open flame'. I'm not sure why she's never accepted. :confused:

Jim Hunter
07-07-2001, 12:59 PM
What a great article. I laughed all the way thru it.

07-07-2001, 04:11 PM
Joe: Now that was great! Bwana enjoys a little trout and elk steak with his homebrew and has less respect for those PETA members than something I scrape off my shoe that the dog made.

There is not many of those clowns around here and I have never had an encounter in the woods or along a stream. (Just as well) I have never taken kindly to some group of crazies trying to tell me what I can and can't do when it's perfectly legal.

Most of them I have run across look like lost souls looking for a cause.....pathetic. Rant, chant, throw on the fish costumes, sit around the campfire singing kumbyya while eating carrots, put up your billboards, just don't try to mess with my hunting or fishing while im doing it or **** will hit the fan!

Zebedee DuBois
07-07-2001, 04:16 PM
I think all animals should be treated ethically! They should not be kept in crampt quarters, treated roughly or cruelly. The should be able to live a normal existence free from any stress that humans put on them. They should be able to live happily right up to the point we kill them for food. They taste better that way.

Joe Seahawk
07-07-2001, 04:21 PM
PETA thinks it's evil to eat fish, too. But why should we stop eating them when they eat each other? Besides, they had their chance to evolve. They could've crawled out of the primordial ooze with us, but they didn't. They decided to stay behind and swim in the water they pee in and go around never blinking. When fish lift their scaly butts past us in the food chain, they can eat us. Until then, pass the tartar sauce.


07-08-2001, 02:53 AM
My response to PETA is this:


07-08-2001, 03:32 AM
Now I see why you go by Otter!

:D :D :D

07-08-2001, 04:47 AM

More like PITA...Pain In The A$$

These people are sick and have no life. The worst part is that they have ways of raising money.

What about the wood on the billboards or the paper used for the signs....trees have feelings too. Where is PETT (People for the Ethical Treatment of Trees) when you need them?

This country is close to rock bottom.

07-08-2001, 06:35 AM
I can't stand Rick Reilly. He lives in Denver, and is about as blind of a homer as you can get(this side of mile high mania ;) ).

As for PETA, I remember when I was in the Navy, I was in Norfolk, VA to catch my ship, when a local radio station was having a biggest fish contest on the riverfront, right in front of the PETA headquarters! It was the funniest thing i've ever seen.

07-08-2001, 07:56 AM
MI: I was in radio for a few years and that sounds about right, that's funny! Some of the things we came up with for contests were risky and about on the same path....well worth it. That contest is a classic. :D

Zebco rod and real $16.50

Fishing license $15.00

Bait of the day $2.50

The look on the "Fish Huggers" face as they glanced out the window watching someone land the colossal contest winner..................PRICELESS!

07-08-2001, 08:11 AM
bwana, 87 944, 50k...is 5000 a good deal?

07-08-2001, 08:36 AM
Hey bwana,

Are there lots of monster elk up in Billings?

07-08-2001, 08:37 AM
Stevieray: The miles sound good, but the price still is a little steep. Something like that would run through the ring at around 3K. I don't know if you have owned one before, but have a pile of green stashed away as well in the "just in case" fund. I had one a few years ago and it sucked me dry. The bottom line is, they are a lot like Honda Accords as far as book goes, take the book, give it a toss and if it is worth it to you......buy it! Good luck...;)

07-08-2001, 08:42 AM
MI: Not around Billings, but the mountains are not far and there are numerous "monster elk" near here. I have been to busy for the last two years to do much about it, in fact, I still have a year old .300 ultramag that has not had a round through it! I do plan on going after one this year though. I do make it out with my yellow labradors several times a year and give the birds (geese, pheasant, grouse) a hard time though.:)

07-08-2001, 08:50 AM
Zebco rod and real $16.50

Damm Bwana,

Where you doing your shopping at?

07-08-2001, 09:33 AM
These PETA people should all move to China and spend their time trying save some people from being executed. Of course they'd probably be kaned to death for doing so. That said they should definately go.

PhilFree :cool:

07-08-2001, 09:51 AM
Otter: I have my own auto brokerage and fly all over the country. I am flying to the east coast into Philly and driving to PADE auto auction in York, PA Tuesday for the Wed sale. Most of my stuff is "pre-sold" and what I do is "birddog" E.G. get people exactly what they are looking for and charge a flat fee. I try to buy an extra load of Honda Accords when I have the chance as well. I love my job, but it has been cutting into my hunting and fishing the last couple of years. :(

Hmmm? I guess the PETA people like my job as well? *GRIN*

07-08-2001, 10:00 AM
Bwana, Ever make to the 166 Auto Auction in Springfield, MO.? It's right down the street from my office. It's a pretty big auction.

PhilFree :cool:

07-08-2001, 11:15 AM
Phil: I have looked into it and tracked prices for a few years, but they remain high compared to other places. I make it to at least one Chief game a year and I wish prices were a little more reasonable there. A lot of the KC dealers fly to Chicago for their cars.

07-08-2001, 12:40 PM
Bwana, I have a MO. State Dealers License and have been down to the auction a time or two and you are right. The prices paid for the cars there seem high to me so I never buy one there. I have a hard time seeing how the car dealers can make any money with what they are paying for these cars. Go figure! Many Pheasants up that way?

PhilFree :cool:

07-08-2001, 01:20 PM
Phil: More pheasants than you can shake a stick at, that's really where my dogs come into play. I remember in high school the days of heading into to bruch tossing rocks to try to spoke the pheasants up. Add to that dropping geese into the middle of the Yellowstone river and trying to throw rocks and snag them with a tree branch and I really enjoy my dogs!

As far as cars.......

It costs me less to fly to PA, buy the cars, have them trucked back at $525.00 each than it would to buy them on a local basis, not to mention the two auctions around here are a joke for cars. (Very good deal on trucks) I buy for several dealers out of state at the local auctions for trucks and ship them all over the United states.

How is the market around there?

07-08-2001, 02:04 PM
PETA spokesperson Hans Graineater was the author of a position paper which led up to the latest press release regarding wolves and their unethical treatment of their brethen animals. In part, it reads:

"Each year, millions of snowshoe hairs, bunnies, sheep, mice, barnyard kitties and other cute furry animals are pursued, subjected to the most vile torture, and then slaughtered by thousands of European wolves, American timber wolves and coyotes around the world. This horrible deed is usually done so the wolves can consume the poor creatures, but not always. Wolves often hunt in gangs, and sometimes they kill just for fun.
"These actions are a cruel travesty. PETA is going to engage in a new campaign, to educate the wolf population that non-animal protein is better suited for health."

A day after PETA's press release, the Wild Wolf Federation (WWF) called a press conference to answer these charges of cruelty and unnecessary slaughter. The WWF's spokesperson, who would only identify himself as 'Rubin', had this to say:

"Once again, PETA is displaying their complete and utter ignorance of the real world. Wolves are carnivores, dammit! We have the canine teeth to prove it . . . as does every member of PETA. If they choose to not use their canines, that's their business. Good luck to them. Their personal choices do not, however, give them the right to decide for the WWF -- or any individual wolf -- whether or not we use ours."


Does the left get any wackier than PETA?

I think that a sitcom based on a couple of PETA people living over a stockyards and processing plant has real potential.

07-08-2001, 07:08 PM
bwana, 87 944, 50k...is 5000 a good deal?

It's all about condition and history. If it has all the books and records, has original paint with no issues and everything works then BWANA is correct in saying throw the book away. Rarely do quality Porsche's run through the auctions. The book usually reflects lower quality 944's and a top quality 87' with 50k could bring as much as upper $4's to 5k through the block. Find out if all services were done in a timely fashion [15k, 30k, 45k] and performed by a Porsche or at least a reputable Euro specialist. See if the 60k service has been performed early. If not, keep in mind it is the most costly service and includes a belt replacement. You might want to consider that in negotiations.

BWANA, I'm also a dealer though my specialty is in the Euro stuff. In the mid-late 80's I used to fly to CHICAGO and drive to MILWAUKEE for their sales. I was buying Honda's for a couple of local KC Honda stores. Couldn't believe how poor the quality of 1 to 3 year old cars are in CHICAGO. Hard life for an auto in that city.

07-08-2001, 07:44 PM
KCPHILLY: I went to Greater Chicago twice and yu are right about the cars.......complete rust buckets, total iron! Do you ever make it to Manheim in PA. That and Orlando in FL are the two biggest auctions and do they ever have inventory! On a good run at Manheim, they have eight to ten thousand run on a Friday and the Twice a month exotic sales are fantastic. The prices to to be a bit high though. So do you hit "Dealers" or is it a Manheim or some other company in Mil?

07-08-2001, 08:27 PM
I used to go to Greater Chicago and Auction Way when it was across the street. I would drive up to the Metro Milwaukee sale the next day. It's been years since I've done that. Lost all respect for the lakefront inventory.

I do the MANHEIM sales. Once a month to PA for the exotic sale. Generally good prices and good product. Sometimes FLA. but I find the product below average for the most part. I do ST.LOUIS once a month for their exotic and highline sale. Higher prices but good product and convenient going from KC. I also send the occassional unit to a KRUSE or BARRETT JACKSON depending on were they're at at the time.

07-08-2001, 08:34 PM
KCPHILLY: You will have to let me know when you are going
to hit Manheim, PA next and if I'm there, we should hook up for a tall one and talk Chiefs! I either fly into Harrisburg or Philly, I'm flying into Philly this go around and hitting PADE in York only. If I hit Manheim I stay in Lancaster. I'll be flying in Tuesday, buying Wed and heading back to Montana Thursday. I just hope my truckers are on time for once. That has to be the hardest part of this job, depending on those damn companies to be there when they "claim they are going to be there." Keep me posted......

Greg Miller
Auto Solutions


07-08-2001, 08:38 PM
PETA needs to do a little research before putting out such crap.

Fish feel the initial pain and react. Like sticking your hand on a splinter, you pull back. After that, fish and humans are nothing alike.

There is no pain after initial contact. To continue pain, one MUST have a prefrontal cortex to the brain - which registers pain and gives instinctive responses to remove such pain.

This has been proven with human subjects who have had surgery on the central brain system to relieve chronic pain.

I think I will send a nasty response to PETA.... on sheepskin paper.

Chiefs Pantalones
07-08-2001, 08:40 PM
This one KFC in Denver was dirty as hell!!! That was the dirtiest place I have ever been!...

I don't have a clue if what I wrote (above) has anything to do with whats being discussed...I just thought I'd share that.:confused:

07-08-2001, 08:53 PM
I have a retail business in KC and it's tough to get out their myself so I've sent an employee to PA the last few months but will probably go myself within the next few months to "keep it fresh" so to speak. I will let you know next time I go. I never refuse a cold one.

I just hope my truckers are on time for once

And people think politicians are the ultimate BSers :rolleyes:

07-09-2001, 05:11 AM

If I didn't miss you... drop me an email if your up for catching a brew. I get off work at five and Harrisburg is real close to York.

Also, not that it does us any good this time of year but if your a regular travler to York there is a bar in called "The Red Rose Inn." Its a Chiefs bar right here in good ol' PA. Go figure.

I'll be watching my email.

PS- Thats not me holding up the muskie, or was that someone else that mentioned that?

Late for work, gotta roll!

07-09-2001, 08:43 AM
Otter: You have mail.....

Lightning Rod
07-09-2001, 09:12 AM
If God didn't want us to eat animals he wouldn't have made the out of meat.

07-09-2001, 01:07 PM
I fish all of the time....sometimes from now on, I might just give the hook an extra "wiggle" when pulling it out....I don't believe that fish feel the hooks in the lips....the ones in the eyes and throat probably suck...but dammit,, they are fish....cats eat them, coons eat them, fish eat them, birds eat them, and I eat them(sometimes).....and BTW...Dolphin Meat is what makes tuna taste good.

If Peta doesn't want me to hunt, maybe they'll just send a check to me for the 30% crop loss that the fuggin deer cause in many of our fields....Maybe they'll come and replant our sweetcorn patches that get destroyed...Maybe they'll just cut me a check for the $4000 in damage to my truck the deer that ran in front of it caused last December while I was on my way home to deer hunt.....I'm just sorry I didn't have more shells....I hunt deer with a bow, a shotgun, maybe this year a muzzle loader....

~Bambi, its whats for dinner.

07-09-2001, 02:09 PM

I don't think this shark was considering the boys "feelings" or the Peta Truce between man and fish....

Clearly a direct violation of the treaty and I think I'll counterstrike by filleting a stringer of crappie in retaliation.

07-09-2001, 04:12 PM
"Jessie's uncle, Vance Flosensier, of Mobile, Ala., wrestled the 7-foot-long bull shark to shore after the Friday attack."

This is the part of the story that is great! People get dinged by sharks all the time, but how often does some guy grab a 200 LB shark and bring it in with his hands to recover an arm? I don't think I would want to mess with this guys uncle Vance!!

I think the Chiefs should go find "Uncle Vance" and offer him a contract as a DB! If he can open up a can of "whoop a$$ on a 7 foot, 200 pound bull shark, how many RB's are going to run over him? :D

Bob Dole
07-09-2001, 04:55 PM
bob Dole heard rumor that Vince McMahon already signed Uncle Vance to a Pro Rasslin' contract