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Phobia
11-28-2007, 10:43 PM
Okay, I'm showing off. I just finished a couple photos for a potential customer so I figured I'd share them.

The picture I'm showing is my first concrete counter attempt and is installed in my own home - on my kitchen island bar. The other focus is the pole wrap technique I've used. I've never, ever seen it done elsewhere and all my internet searches has failed to turn up a picture like it. Finally you'll see the floor with the diamond mosaic inlays. I'm kinda partial to that.

Phobia
11-28-2007, 10:44 PM
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Phobia
11-28-2007, 10:46 PM
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Manila-Chief
11-28-2007, 10:57 PM
The floor looks great ... but, and maybe this is just my computer but I can't see the details of the counter ... When we get the funds we will redo our island counter top and I'm looking for ideas.

pr_capone
11-28-2007, 10:59 PM
F00k Bob Villa.... you should have your own TV show.

Phobia
11-28-2007, 11:00 PM
The floor looks great ... but, and maybe this is just my computer but I can't see the details of the counter ... When we get the funds we will redo our island counter top and I'm looking for ideas.
I can probably email a larger picture. Do you still have my email address? I think it's probably your computer. Is your contrast too dark? There's a lot of detail to look at on the top. There's mosaic inlays, an ogee edge, exposed aggregate, and a patina in progress.

Phobia
11-28-2007, 11:02 PM
You can also probably see part of the distressed cabinet my wife did in that first photo. We did a lot of different techniques in our kitchen. All of it was labor intensive but materials cheap. Much of the material was surplus from other jobs or purchased at a heavy discount at auctions and surplus dealers.

Donger
11-28-2007, 11:03 PM
Do you do work in the Pacific Northwest (as opposed to the Atlantic Northwest)?

Phobia
11-28-2007, 11:04 PM
F00k Bob Villa.... you should have your own TV show.
That's quite generous of you. Don't think I haven't watched some of the home show hosts and daydreamed though.

Simply Red
11-28-2007, 11:05 PM
nice island, too funny. We have absolute black granite everywhere but the island. The island is `ornamental gold` granite. I'm staring at our island it is painted white (drying) - painted Tuesday afternoon. She (my wife) has elected to get the island only, fauxed an antiqued/stressed creme, it's in it's first of a few layers. Funny. Concrete island's are really `in` right now so is soap-stone. Have you seen that yet?

Bump
11-28-2007, 11:06 PM
ya that looks really good! You seem to be a master at your art

Phobia
11-28-2007, 11:07 PM
Do you do work in the Pacific Northwest (as opposed to the Atlantic Northwest)?
Design and consulting only. All my crews are based in the KC metro and I'm through traveling except under very rare circumstances under which I can add to my portfolio and/or make a lot of money. Heh.

Rain Man
11-28-2007, 11:08 PM
Very nice. I like that column.

Phobia
11-28-2007, 11:09 PM
nice island, too funny. We have absolute black granite everywhere but the island. The island is `ornamental gold` granite. I'm staring at our island it is painted white (drying) - painted Tuesday afternoon. She (my wife) has elected to get the island only, fauxed an antiqued/stressed creme, it's in it's first of a few layers. Funny. Concrete island's are really `in` right now so is soap-stone. Have you seen that yet?

Yeah, soapstone is more of an east top style. It's too expensive to ship to the midwest - at least that's what I'm assuming because it's just not widely available here.

I love mixing cabinet colors and top styles within a kitchen. I'm glad it's become trendy because 5 years ago, it was almost unheard of.

Phobia
11-28-2007, 11:12 PM
Very nice. I like that column.

Thanks. I don't care for the tile bar top I did though. I completed that portion months before I ever considered attempting concrete counters. The oak nose on it would preclude me from changing to concrete now though and I have a significant amount of time invested in perfecting that so I'll just live with it.

Simply Red
11-28-2007, 11:13 PM
Yeah, soapstone is more of an east top style. It's too expensive to ship to the midwest - at least that's what I'm assuming because it's just not widely available here.

I love mixing cabinet colors and top styles within a kitchen. I'm glad it's become trendy because 5 years ago, it was almost unheard of.
Yeah, I'm proud of what she (my wife) has done here. I wish like heck you could see it, all the way to the media room. One day my dumb-ass will learn to post pictures. I know it's not hard, I've just never actually taken the time to learn. :shake:

Phobia
11-28-2007, 11:14 PM
ya that looks really good! You seem to be a master at your art
Heh. I don't know about "master". That pole is the first and only one of its kind. The top is my first try. Maybe I'll be a master one day. I guess the only part I have mastered is not being afraid of trying new and different stuff.

Donger
11-28-2007, 11:17 PM
Design and consulting only. All my crews are based in the KC metro and I'm through traveling except under very rare circumstances under which I can add to my portfolio and/or make a lot of money. Heh.

Define "a lot of money."

Simply Red
11-28-2007, 11:19 PM
Define "a lot of money."
Easy Phil, Donger's `comfortable.` ;)

Phobia
11-28-2007, 11:23 PM
Define "a lot of money."

Heh. A lot more than what I'm able to make locally. When I'm away, my crews don't get as much done so there are more considerations than when I was a one-man shop.

Donger
11-28-2007, 11:24 PM
Easy Phil, Donger's `comfortable.` ;)

One of my brothers lives up there and is remodeling. This isn't for me.

Donger
11-28-2007, 11:25 PM
Heh. A lot more than what I'm able to make locally. When I'm away, my crews don't get as much done so there are more considerations than when I was a one-man shop.

Fair enough.

HemiEd
11-28-2007, 11:27 PM
Concrete counter? Is that the new slate or um granite?

Simply Red
11-28-2007, 11:27 PM
One of my brothers lives up there and is remodeling. This isn't for me.
Oh, Okay. I was scratching my head knowing you lived in Denver or the near-abouts.

Donger
11-28-2007, 11:28 PM
Oh, Okay. I was scratching my head knowing you lived in Denver or near-abouts.

We're spreading out, in order to make the assimilation easier, k?

Fish
11-28-2007, 11:28 PM
Pole wrap technique? I've very curious, and I say that in the least gay possible way. You didn't inlay all those little pieces?

Whatever you did, it looks good.

Simply Red
11-28-2007, 11:30 PM
We're spreading out, in order to make the assimilation easier, k?
:)

Donger
11-28-2007, 11:32 PM
:)

I'm not kidding. This has been planned for generations. But, that's a secret.

I'm kind of the black sheep, so please keep that a secret, too.

Phobia
11-28-2007, 11:36 PM
Concrete counter? Is that the new slate or um granite?

I'm not sure I follow the question.

Phobia
11-28-2007, 11:39 PM
Pole wrap technique? I've very curious, and I say that in the least gay possible way. You didn't inlay all those little pieces?

Whatever you did, it looks good.

Yeah, I put all those pieces on the pole and then grouted it. It's pretty challenging.

Funny story, I had incentive to have that done by last Thanksgiving. So I was up at 5:00 AM grouting the thing when my MIL comes down for coffee while I'm stroking the pole. Heh. She got a kick out that.

ClevelandBronco
11-28-2007, 11:47 PM
I love the look of concrete countertops. Looks like you have the process down. The inlays are a great touch.

I wish I could have you over for some (Texas style) ribs so we could share info.

Phobia
11-28-2007, 11:58 PM
One of my brothers lives up there and is remodeling. This isn't for me.
Unless your brother is rolling in money and can afford to bring in designers and consultants from halfway across the country, he'd probably get much more value for his dollar hiring a talented contractor locally. If his tastes lean towards rustic/industrial then I'm a perfect match in the design department. But I'm sure he can find somebody there.

Phobia
11-29-2007, 12:01 AM
I love the look of concrete countertops. Looks like you have the process down. The inlays are a great touch.

I wish I could have you over for some (Texas style) ribs so we could share info.
I don't have the process down yet but I'm sure learning fast. I'll probably look at this countertop in my kitchen in a year and laugh at my own incompetence.

I don't even understand the difference between Texas, Carolina, KC, and Memphis ribs. Isn't the difference in all these styles in the sauce? I don't even like sauce on my ribs. There's two reasons to put sauce on ribs:
1. They're too dry.
2. They taste like crap. Heh.

cdcox
11-29-2007, 12:01 AM
We're spreading out, in order to make the assimilation easier, k?

Donger, CP member most likely to be an alien.

Donger
11-29-2007, 12:04 AM
Unless your brother is rolling in money and can afford to bring in designers and consultants from halfway across the country, he'd probably get much more value for his dollar hiring a talented contractor locally. If his tastes lean towards rustic/industrial then I'm a perfect match in the design department. But I'm sure he can find somebody there.

He's loaded, but somewhat (how should I put this) different. He's been through about a dozen designers so far locally. He's the artistic one in th family, so he has expectations that far exceed normality. I mentioned it because what you showed looks exactly what his house in KC looked like.

Donger
11-29-2007, 12:05 AM
Donger, CP member most likely to be an alien.

Hey, I'm naturalized.

HemiEd
11-29-2007, 12:08 AM
I'm not sure I follow the question.

Please forgive me, we just got our new Harvest Gold appliances. I am very ignorant on this stuff.

But are you actually making countertops out of concrete? Seriously?

I thought Granite was what everyone was putting in now.

Phobia
11-29-2007, 12:11 AM
Please forgive me, we just got our new Harvest Gold appliances. I am very ignorant on this stuff.

But are you actually making countertops out of concrete? Seriously?

I thought Granite was what everyone was putting in now.

Granite is the new Formica. Concrete is the new high end. It just hasn't hit the midwest hard yet. It's really big on the coasts.

Phobia
11-29-2007, 12:18 AM
He's loaded, but somewhat (how should I put this) different. He's been through about a dozen designers so far locally. He's the artistic one in th family, so he has expectations that far exceed normality. I mentioned it because what you showed looks exactly what his house in KC looked like.

So, what's his complaint about those designers? I have a pretty unique design bent. I don't know of many who mix rustic with industrial. Of course, I don't pay much attention to other designers anyway because I'm busy developing my own style. FWIW, my leanings probably gravitate towards those choices because I feel I can repurpose materials and still make something look really eclectically delightful for less material investment.

I really should develop my website better so I can just show people to the site - if they like what they see then maybe it's a match. Unfortunately, it's still a cookie-cutter piece of crap.

Donger
11-29-2007, 12:25 AM
So, what's his complaint about those designers? I have a pretty unique design bent. I don't know of many who mix rustic with industrial. Of course, I don't pay much attention to other designers anyway because I'm busy developing my own style. FWIW, my leanings probably gravitate towards those choices because I feel I can repurpose materials and still make something look really eclectically delightful for less material investment.

I really should develop my website better so I can just show people to the site - if they like what they see then maybe it's a match. Unfortunately, it's still a cookie-cutter piece of crap.

Honestly, I don't think that even he knows. He's pretty much impossible, and that's saying quite a bit considering his lineage.

Donger
11-29-2007, 12:26 AM
I really should develop my website better so I can just show people to the site - if they like what they see then maybe it's a match. Unfortunately, it's still a cookie-cutter piece of crap.

I agree. Use it and sell it.

Phobia
11-29-2007, 12:31 AM
Honestly, I don't think that even he knows. He's pretty much impossible, and that's saying quite a bit considering his lineage.

Cool. I live for a challenge. Easy-to-please people are good for business but make for a pretty boring project. If I can make somebody who is impossible happy then I pad my pocketbook and my ego.

Guru
11-29-2007, 12:33 AM
So, what's his complaint about those designers? I have a pretty unique design bent. I don't know of many who mix rustic with industrial. Of course, I don't pay much attention to other designers anyway because I'm busy developing my own style. FWIW, my leanings probably gravitate towards those choices because I feel I can repurpose materials and still make something look really eclectically delightful for less material investment.

I really should develop my website better so I can just show people to the site - if they like what they see then maybe it's a match. Unfortunately, it's still a cookie-cutter piece of crap.

Yeah, I checked that website but only saw the sunroom pics.

HemiEd
11-29-2007, 12:35 AM
Granite is the new Formica. Concrete is the new high end. It just hasn't hit the midwest hard yet. It's really big on the coasts.

Thanks for the info! So instead of dropping a few grand on granite, I can go buy a couple bags of quik-crete from Home Depot, make some forms and I am cool?

Phobia
11-29-2007, 12:36 AM
Yeah, I checked that website but only saw the sunroom pics.
That website blows. I really gotta get on it. I have a pretty extensive portfolio but it's not on my site. Why? I'm not gonna throw my wife under the bus. I wouldn't dare.

cdcox
11-29-2007, 12:37 AM
Thanks for the info! So instead of dropping a few grand on granite, I can go buy a couple bags of quik-crete from Home Depot, make some forms and I am cool?

Ed, had you considered Bondo?

Phobia
11-29-2007, 12:37 AM
Thanks for the info! So instead of dropping a few grand on granite, I can go buy a couple bags of quik-crete from Home Depot, make some forms and I am cool?

Uh. Sure. Plus about 150 hours of your time working that quik-crete into something presentable.

Guru
11-29-2007, 12:39 AM
That website blows. I really gotta get on it. I have a pretty extensive portfolio but it's not on my site. Why? I'm not gonna throw my wife under the bus. I wouldn't dare.
ROFL

HemiEd
11-29-2007, 12:49 AM
Ed, had you considered Bondo?
I could do magic with that.

Uh. Sure. Plus about 150 hours of your time working that quik-crete into something presentable.
In all seriousness, I would like to see one in person. For some reason visions of my driveway in the kitchen aren't working for me.

Phobia
11-29-2007, 12:58 AM
I could do magic with that.


In all seriousness, I would like to see one in person. For some reason visions of my driveway in the kitchen aren't working for me.

Get that vision out of your head. Concrete countertops are NOTHING like a driveway (unless you want it to look like your driveway). Every concrete specialist has their own closely guarded recipe but it all starts with portland, sand, and water.

Check out this gallery. You won't believe what they can do with concrete. http://www.concretenetwork.com/photo-gallery/countertops_2/?sort=MostPopular

A few reasons concrete is gaining popularity:
1. You can make any shape you want.
2. You can span or cantilever greater distances.
3. The sky is the limit with regard to color, texture, graining, inlays, trivets, etc.
4. You can integrate concrete sinks into the actual counter.

HemiEd
11-29-2007, 01:04 AM
Get that vision out of your head.

Wow. It is gone, thanks. I had no clue.

Guru
11-29-2007, 01:36 AM
This would be perfect for our bathroom. Hate to think of the cost though.

http://www.concretenetwork.com/photo-gallery/images/400x400Max/countertops_2/32803-fl-price-concrete-studio_3184.jpg

Phobia
11-29-2007, 02:04 AM
This would be perfect for our bathroom. Hate to think of the cost though.

http://www.concretenetwork.com/photo-gallery/images/400x400Max/countertops_2/32803-fl-price-concrete-studio_3184.jpg

Dude, if you're thinking about doing your bathroom with a double basin application I have the perfect vanity for you. I picked it up at an auction. The cabinet has minor shipping damage (that can be repaired) but the black veined marble top is intact and it has 2 undermount bowls included. I'm just waiting for the right client to snatch it up before I invest the time to repair and paint it.

Guru
11-29-2007, 02:43 AM
Dude, if you're thinking about doing your bathroom with a double basin application I have the perfect vanity for you. I picked it up at an auction. The cabinet has minor shipping damage (that can be repaired) but the black veined marble top is intact and it has 2 undermount bowls included. I'm just waiting for the right client to snatch it up before I invest the time to repair and paint it.
We are a ways off from doing the bathrooms. We have a crappy looking double sink setup right now with a tile countertop and two inset bowl sinks. UGLY.

What is the length on it?

Phobia
11-29-2007, 02:49 AM
We are a ways off from doing the bathrooms. We have a crappy looking double sink setup right now with a tile countertop and two inset bowl sinks. UGLY.

What is the length on it?

I'm unsure but I'll find out. It's probably between 60 and 72 inches.

Phobia
11-29-2007, 02:50 AM
Wow. I should go get 4 hours of sleep or something. Jeesh.

Guru
11-29-2007, 02:51 AM
I'm unsure but I'll find out. It's probably between 60 and 72 inches.
I think our setup is longer than that. I will have to measure it.

Phobia
11-29-2007, 02:53 AM
I think our setup is longer than that. I will have to measure it.

I'll bet I know a guy who could fix it.

MadMax
11-29-2007, 02:56 AM
Wow. I should go get 4 hours of sleep or something. Jeesh.


nah 2 is good :D

Guru
11-29-2007, 10:51 PM
I'll bet I know a guy who could fix it.
84"

Buehler445
11-29-2007, 11:34 PM
Hey Phob, nice job. That is neat stuff. I wish 1. I owned a house. 2. I could afford you for work. You do some cool stuff. Keep up the good work.

go bowe
11-29-2007, 11:58 PM
based on my own experience, phil is a professional and does a really good job no matter wht the project might be...

i recommend him to anybody looking for excellent work and/or innovative design (even though my job didn't involve any design, so to speak)...

seriously, if you are the kc area and need some professional repair/remodeling done, you won't find anybody better than phobes...

a+ work and aa++ results...

i'm go bowe and i approved this ad...

Phobia
11-30-2007, 12:11 AM
84"

This one is 68".

Phobia
11-30-2007, 12:12 AM
based on my own experience, phil is a professional and does a really good job no matter wht the project might be...

i recommend him to anybody looking for excellent work and/or innovative design (even though my job didn't involve any design, so to speak)...

seriously, if you are the kc area and need some professional repair/remodeling done, you won't find anybody better than phobes...

a+ work and aa++ results...

i'm go bowe and i approved this ad...

Wow. It's almost like I paid you instead of the other way around. 'preciate the kind words, JMac.

Guru
11-30-2007, 01:04 AM
This one is 68".
Hmmm, 8" on both sides. Have to think on it.

Need to see it as well.

Phobia
12-01-2007, 06:04 PM
Here's a cool man-cave I just finished for Alphaman today. Ironically, I didn't even get the work from ChiefsPlanet even though I've known him on here forever, I found him seeking a basement contractor on Warpaint.

Here's the unique bar.

Phobia
12-01-2007, 06:06 PM
The front of the bar is actually made from weathered corrugated metal harvested off an old barn.

Phobia
12-01-2007, 06:08 PM
Here's the bartender's view.

Phobia
12-01-2007, 06:09 PM
Sorry, it looks like my camera lens had some water spots from the rain. :(

Phobia
12-01-2007, 06:11 PM
Please don't turn this into a poop thread.

Phobia
12-01-2007, 06:13 PM
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DaneMcCloud
12-01-2007, 06:23 PM
Yeah, I put all those pieces on the pole and then grouted it. It's pretty challenging.

Funny story, I had incentive to have that done by last Thanksgiving. So I was up at 5:00 AM grouting the thing when my MIL comes down for coffee while I'm stroking the pole. Heh. She got a kick out that.

Great work throughout this thread.

Question: Why couldn't you use mosaic travertine sheets instead of doing it individually? That's what I've got on the bench in pic 1. Couldn't that be wrapped around a pole?

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2007, 06:26 PM
Here's the rest, in case anyone's interested

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2007, 06:26 PM
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DaneMcCloud
12-01-2007, 06:28 PM
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Phobia
12-01-2007, 06:29 PM
Great work throughout this thread.

Question: Why couldn't you use mosaic travertine sheets instead of doing it individually? That's what I've got on the bench in pic 1. Couldn't that be wrapped around a pole?
That's what it is, but I had to cut them into individual strips.

Love your bathroom. I wish somebody would hire me for something like that. Unfortunately that's a pretty high end bathroom. I'll bet it cost triple what this basement did.

Donger
12-01-2007, 06:36 PM
Do you have kids, Dane?

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2007, 06:39 PM
That's what it is, but I had to cut them into individual strips.

Love your bathroom. I wish somebody would hire me for something like that. Unfortunately that's a pretty high end bathroom. I'll bet it cost triple what this basement did.

Okay, that makes sense. When we began remodeling our home four years ago, I wondered how they got the tiles straight. That was until I saw that they were on sheets. But I've seen bad mosaic jobs in spite of them being on sheets (we actually had to have a contractor completely redo a bathroom because it was so freakin' bad. I mean, awful!).

Thanks for the kind words. That bathroom was the toughest bathroom in the house to design. I drew up the plans and picked everything in there, every tile, every accent, every piece of hardware - absolutely everything. It was challenging because I was just hoping that all of the different tiles and designs would work together.

It took the guys about 8 weeks to complete it (it had already been demo'd two years prior) and I was in there every hour to make sure that they were doing it exactly as specified (especially the lighting - the contractors we've encountered never want to put enough light in these spaces. I learned my lesson the hard way in my kitchen).

Your work looks great and I wouldn't hesitate to hire you if you weren't 2000 miles away!

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2007, 06:39 PM
Do you have kids, Dane?

Not yet.

But here's the kid's bathroom:

Baby Lee
12-01-2007, 06:41 PM
I don't have the process down yet but I'm sure learning fast. I'll probably look at this countertop in my kitchen in a year and laugh at my own incompetence.

I don't even understand the difference between Texas, Carolina, KC, and Memphis ribs. Isn't the difference in all these styles in the sauce? I don't even like sauce on my ribs. There's two reasons to put sauce on ribs:
1. They're too dry.
2. They taste like crap. Heh.
My best understanding

Texas - Ketchup based brown sugar and chiles for heat, consistency almost like Ragu
Carolina - Mustard and tobasco
KC - Molasses/Tomato based, thicker, smokier with a more sharp heat, consistency more like syrup.
Memphis - Dry rub

Donger
12-01-2007, 06:41 PM
Not yet.

But here's the kid's bathroom:

Heh. Good luck with that.

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2007, 06:43 PM
oops!

Baby Lee
12-01-2007, 06:44 PM
2
You can't fool us, that painting is actually

http://www.bluthfamily.com/dimages/pictures/gene%20parmesan%20on%20the%20lookout_468x312.jpg

DaneMcCloud
12-01-2007, 06:45 PM
I've got plenty of pics but I there's on my wife's computer. That's all I've got of the kid's bath on mine.

Phobia
12-02-2007, 10:02 AM
My best understanding

Texas - Ketchup based brown sugar and chiles for heat, consistency almost like Ragu
Carolina - Mustard and tobasco
KC - Molasses/Tomato based, thicker, smokier with a more sharp heat, consistency more like syrup.
Memphis - Dry rub
I understand the differences in the sauces. I guess I didn't realize Memphis was more of a dry rub city. That probably means my style leans more towards Memphis even though I've lived in Carolina, Texas, and KC. Strange.

Phobia
12-02-2007, 10:17 AM
Okay, that makes sense. When we began remodeling our home four years ago, I wondered how they got the tiles straight. That was until I saw that they were on sheets. But I've seen bad mosaic jobs in spite of them being on sheets (we actually had to have a contractor completely redo a bathroom because it was so freakin' bad. I mean, awful!).

Thanks for the kind words. That bathroom was the toughest bathroom in the house to design. I drew up the plans and picked everything in there, every tile, every accent, every piece of hardware - absolutely everything. It was challenging because I was just hoping that all of the different tiles and designs would work together.

It took the guys about 8 weeks to complete it (it had already been demo'd two years prior) and I was in there every hour to make sure that they were doing it exactly as specified

8 weeks? Heh. That's a good bathroom. When I first got into this business I actually did a little tiny bathroom with similar tile choices to yours except they chose really huge 3' x 1' panels. I vastly underbid the project and little old lady stood there watching me put up each and every tile. It wouldn't have been so bad but she didn't like color variations from tile to tile and she'd start telling me my tiles were crooked before I had even removed my hands from them. Brutal. She wasn't a candidate for natural tiles - she should have saved the $14 per sq ft and bought ceramic.

You did a heckuva job picking those tiles. Your taste leans exactly where my own does. I'm a big sucker for travertine and even moreso slate when people are on a budget.


(especially the lighting - the contractors we've encountered never want to put enough light in these spaces. I learned my lesson the hard way in my kitchen).

Your work looks great and I wouldn't hesitate to hire you if you weren't 2000 miles away!
Thanks. I love to work for clients like yourself because you know what you want and you're willing to spend the money to get it.

I overlight - it's so much better than the alternative. There's 20+ cans in that basement. I loved and I mean absolutely loved every choice in your bathroom - with the exception of the vanity lights. I don't want to make you feel badly about them, I'm just blunt like this. What was the rationale behind that choice?

Baby Lee
12-02-2007, 10:24 AM
I understand the differences in the sauces. I guess I didn't realize Memphis was more of a dry rub city. That probably means my style leans more towards Memphis even though I've lived in Carolina, Texas, and KC. Strange.
Sorry, completely misread your post. Thought the sauce differences were what you were talking about.

ChiefButthurt
12-02-2007, 10:31 AM
Nice job Phobia.

You seem like the type of contractor that pays attention to the finish details. The average homeowner doesn't know what makes those "high" end projects look good when complete. Contractor's that do OR even care are rare.

Phobia
12-02-2007, 12:10 PM
Nice job Phobia.

You seem like the type of contractor that pays attention to the finish details. The average homeowner doesn't know what makes those "high" end projects look good when complete. Contractor's that do OR even care are rare.
Thanks brotha. It's those little things that make the project complete. I really do care - even more than my own house. I've been living without quarter round for my hardwoods at my house for over a year - among many other things. I'd never do that to a client. Heh. Sometimes it costs me too much time but I do like to leave everybody happy.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2007, 12:32 PM
8 weeks? Heh. That's a good bathroom. When I first got into this business I actually did a little tiny bathroom with similar tile choices to yours except they chose really huge 3' x 1' panels. I vastly underbid the project and little old lady stood there watching me put up each and every tile. It wouldn't have been so bad but she didn't like color variations from tile to tile and she'd start telling me my tiles were crooked before I had even removed my hands from them. Brutal. She wasn't a candidate for natural tiles - she should have saved the $14 per sq ft and bought ceramic.

You did a heckuva job picking those tiles. Your taste leans exactly where my own does. I'm a big sucker for travertine and even moreso slate when people are on a budget.



Thanks. I love to work for clients like yourself because you know what you want and you're willing to spend the money to get it.

I overlight - it's so much better than the alternative. There's 20+ cans in that basement. I loved and I mean absolutely loved every choice in your bathroom - with the exception of the vanity lights. I don't want to make you feel badly about them, I'm just blunt like this. What was the rationale behind that choice?

Thank again for the kind words.

The vanity lights were quickly replaced but I don't have current photos on my computer. We bought a couple sets of lights and I put them up and took pictures. Vanity lighting has been very, very difficult for us in the bathrooms. We must have bought 8 or 9 different styles when we remodeled the other bathrooms. We ended up putting in the same light fixture (it's really cool modern, flat strip) in 4 of the 5.

I've been using the same contractor now for my big jobs since 2004. He loves me, not only because I'm easy to work with and pay him weekly for completed work but because I go into projects with a full plan and know exactly what I want. He's told me horror stories of doing 100k bathrooms that the client ended up hating because the client refused to have any input.

I think the key to successful remodel is setting a budget, researching material costs, then doing everything possible to make yourself happy within that budget.

As well as a good, detailed, cooperative, reasonable contractor. :thumb:

Phobia
12-02-2007, 12:41 PM
Oh good. I was feeling guilty about commenting on those lights. They really didn't fit, IMO. But I'm pretty picky about lights. I already don't like the two vanity lights I installed in my master just a year ago. Maybe I'll find a project I can use them on and find something better for my master.

Speaking with regard to lighting, I think every room needs a statement piece. Up until a couple months ago my master was kinda bland despite decorative inlaid tile on the floor and tub surround and a quality faux paint job - then I installed a large hanging light fixture that would have seemed WAY too big for a bathroom but it really finishes the bathroom. I should go take a couple pics. It's really spectacular. I love trying stuff like that - stuff most people wouldn't be ballsy enough to try. Hey, if it doesn't work, take it down and try something else.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2007, 12:55 PM
Oh good. I was feeling guilty about commenting on those lights. They really didn't fit, IMO. But I'm pretty picky about lights. I already don't like the two vanity lights I installed in my master just a year ago. Maybe I'll find a project I can use them on and find something better for my master.

Speaking with regard to lighting, I think every room needs a statement piece. Up until a couple months ago my master was kinda bland despite decorative inlaid tile on the floor and tub surround and a quality faux paint job - then I installed a large hanging light fixture that would have seemed WAY too big for a bathroom but it really finishes the bathroom. I should go take a couple pics. It's really spectacular. I love trying stuff like that - stuff most people wouldn't be ballsy enough to try. Hey, if it doesn't work, take it down and try something else.

Ah, don't feel guilty. I like to hear people's opinions. And you were obviously thinking the same way as us, so we must have similar tastes. That again confirms that I'd hire you in sec!

It's amazing to me that there are places like Lamps Plus, all these online places, Mom & Pop stores all over Los Angeles and yet it's next to impossible to find something that works.

I'd love to see the pics and I'll try to gather up a few more bathroom pics to post as well.

Phobia
12-02-2007, 01:09 PM
Ah, don't feel guilty. I like to hear people's opinions. And you were obviously thinking the same way as us, so we must have similar tastes. That again confirms that I'd hire you in sec!

It's amazing to me that there are places like Lamps Plus, all these online places, Mom & Pop stores all over Los Angeles and yet it's next to impossible to find something that works.

I'd love to see the pics and I'll try to gather up a few more bathroom pics to post as well.

Oh, I don't want to be THAT guy - the guy who comes over and scrutinizes your whole house. You know him. Everybody has one in their circle of friends. I've been him before but I really try not to be. Sometimes I can't help but open my mouth.

I never really have trouble finding functional and attractive lighting. I mean, it's definitely an art but I have very specific tastes which seem to work in most applications. I can handle contemporary, industrial, and rustic. I hope I never have to choose lighting for a traditional application - I can't stand brass and/or crystal.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2007, 01:43 PM
Oh, I didn't mean that you were that guy. Just that I like it when people make comments about all the work we've done here, good or bad. Though fortunately, we've rarely ever heard a negative comment. :)

Our home is more contemporary modern and ceiling fans with light fixtures as well as the previously mentioned vanity lights were a pain to choose. We just couldn't walk into Home Depot or Lowe's to find what we needed. Not to say that's there's not suitable and nice lighting at those places, it's just that we were always looking for "unique", and that requires a lot of research and work. Plus, we'd never done any remodeling before so it was all quite a challenge.

Phobia
12-02-2007, 01:47 PM
Ceiling fans are more difficult to choose. But I've always found exactly what I was seeking and it's worked perfectly.

I was working on a basement for my cousin a few years ago - he made it into an Irish pub with many traditional elements. I enjoyed the woodwork and bathroom but all the other requirements of brass really threw me. I did not enjoy that aspect of the project. The project ended prematurely when he ran out of money (bad gambling problem) and we never got a chance to finish so I have nothing to show for it.

Phobia
12-02-2007, 01:49 PM
Though fortunately, we've rarely ever heard a negative comment. :)

So, I'm that guy afterall? Heh. I enjoy the distinction. I'm actually rather relieved you replaced those fixtures. I'd have hated to put that in your head and helped you to start disliking them.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2007, 02:02 PM
So, I'm that guy afterall? Heh. I enjoy the distinction. I'm actually rather relieved you replaced those fixtures. I'd have hated to put that in your head and helped you to start disliking them.

That bathroom was completed in September of 2005. We knew immediately that those lights didn't work but the subsequent light fixtures did work. I'm trying to find a pic and when I do, I'll post it. Outside of that pic, I'm not sure if anyone actually saw that fixture outside of me, my wife and now Chiefsplanet. :) So I'm sure there would have been others that would have commented on that particular fixture, so no worries.

The main concern for my wife in that bathroom was lighting. There isn't much (if any) natural light in that bathroom so we had eight 4" can lights, two exhaust fan lights and a Sola-Tube installed. The Sola-Tube was pure genius, because it allows so much natural light to flow through the room. But the bigger issue wasn't light during the day but adequate lighting for make-up and whatnot at night. So our first concern was the number of lights on each vanity fixture.

And I'm with you on ceiling fans. It just takes time to look and find the right fan/lighting combo but fortunately, there are plenty of resources available via the internet.

Phobia
12-02-2007, 02:06 PM
My master ceiling is vaulted with the roof line. There's plenty of natural light due to 2 windows but I'm still dying to install an electric sky light I can open and close on a remote.

BigOlChiefsfan
12-02-2007, 02:12 PM
Good work Phil - a lot of nice stuff in this thread.

If you're ever shopping for someone with an 'Arts and Crafts' style home (lots of these in KC) I like these folks.

http://www.crafthome.com/products.htm

Phobia
12-02-2007, 02:15 PM
Good work Phil - a lot of nice stuff in this thread.

If you're ever shopping for someone with an 'Arts and Crafts' style home (lots of these in KC) I like these folks.

http://www.crafthome.com/products.htm

I adore Arts & Crafts homes. Unfortunately, I don't know any clients who can afford to do it right and that style doesn't mix well with other styles despite my desire to often mix styles.

DaneMcCloud
12-02-2007, 02:21 PM
My master ceiling is vaulted with the roof line. There's plenty of natural light due to 2 windows but I'm still dying to install an electric sky light I can open and close on a remote.

That sounds awesome! The drawback to the Sola-Tube in a situation like that is that it always provides light. It's great in the bathroom and our foyer. It provides light for the foyer, which is three floors below.

But an electric light would be really cool in the master. How much do those cost and are there leakage problems?

Phobia
12-02-2007, 02:29 PM
That sounds awesome! The drawback to the Sola-Tube in a situation like that is that it always provides light. It's great in the bathroom and our foyer. It provides light for the foyer, which is three floors below.

But an electric light would be really cool in the master. How much do those cost and are there leakage problems?

They're as much money as you're willing to spend - generally a minimum of $600+. A skylight will leak under 3 conditions:
1. Poor quality.
2. Incorrect installation.
3. Damage.

Otherwise, it's a non-issue.

BTW, thanks for humoring me in this discussion. I enjoy talking construction with those who appreciate the finer points of the trade.

BigOlChiefsfan
12-02-2007, 02:32 PM
Some interesting lights/fixtures from these folks.

http://www.rejuvenation.com/?ipb=GA1017

Phobia
03-17-2008, 10:46 AM
This is about as proud as I've been since the Scottsdale outdoor kitchen. I wish I'd have known how to do concrete counters then.

Before:
http://i28.tinypic.com/2yottad.jpg
After:
http://i28.tinypic.com/dcwvg5.jpg

Phobia
03-17-2008, 10:46 AM
Here's the back of the bar:
http://i26.tinypic.com/qo7e2w.jpg

Phobia
03-17-2008, 10:47 AM
My first undermount sink with concrete countertops. Actually, it's my second. The first effort dried too dry and shattered when I pulled it out of the form.

http://i32.tinypic.com/sf8g0m.jpg

Phobia
03-17-2008, 10:48 AM
Here's a picture of the marquis during construction and after. The after pic doesn't do this justice. It's a real presence in the basement.

During:
http://i26.tinypic.com/f26gs3.jpg

After:
http://i26.tinypic.com/29q15kz.jpg

go bowe
03-17-2008, 03:49 PM
Thanks brotha. It's those little things that make the project complete. I really do care - even more than my own house. I've been living without quarter round for my hardwoods at my house for over a year - among many other things. I'd never do that to a client. Heh. Sometimes it costs me too much time but I do like to leave everybody happy.i know you made me happy...

this gives me another chance to say thank you...

and to recommend you to anyone who needs some top of the line quality and workmanship...

highly skilled and very creative...

an unusual combination...

color me a very satisfied customer... :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

OnTheWarpath58
03-17-2008, 04:10 PM
That's phenomenal, Phil.


I know this: If Sal and I ever move to KC, you'll have a client for life.

Great work.

Phobia
03-17-2008, 04:20 PM
Thanks guys - that's very high praise. FWIW, I created this thread originally because I was taking pictures to close the deal for the basement you see pictured today. You can see I employed the concrete counter design and mosiac wrapped poles just as in my own home. I really wish I had the time and money to do mine like I did theirs.

DaFace
03-17-2008, 04:25 PM
Damn...I'm jealous. If I ever 1) move to KC, 2) own a home, and 3) need some remodel work done, I won't hesitate to give you a call!

Phobia
03-17-2008, 04:29 PM
Heh. You guys haven't even seen the good pictures yet. There's a big TV hanging on the wall off to the right of the bar. The one across from the bar is only a 40". This is a true man-cave.

el borracho
03-17-2008, 04:59 PM
Great job (as usual)! It's really a shame you don't live here in ABQ.

Hoover
03-17-2008, 05:36 PM
I adore Arts & Crafts homes. Unfortunately, I don't know any clients who can afford to do it right and that style doesn't mix well with other styles despite my desire to often mix styles.

I have a great Arts and Crafts home. My current problem is I'm looking at demoing my POS garage and putting in a two story garage with an office on the second floor. My problem is I want it to look right with my house.

Here a link to the garage plans I'm looking at and I've attached a pic of my house. Do you think the two would look good together or not. The garage would be 30 feet or so away from the house.

http://www.architecturaldesigns.com/house-plan-88335sh.asp

stevieray
03-17-2008, 05:40 PM
you keep getting better, other than selling faux and murals..;)

I know a guy...hard worker, looking for part time work..can I give him your number?


I just completed a five foot Jayhawk, and a four foot NFL logo...I love doing rooms for kids...they so appreciate it...

Phobia
03-17-2008, 05:43 PM
Awesome. Anythin gfor the Allen bar?

I need to get up to your pad soon.

Sure, give the guy my number. I just hired a guy last week and just told my foreman I wasn't hiring again for a while but I'll always talk to somebody. I might get a job tomorrow I need help on.

Phobia
03-17-2008, 05:47 PM
I have a great Arts and Crafts home. My current problem is I'm looking at demoing my POS garage and putting in a two story garage with an office on the second floor. My problem is I want it to look right with my house.

Here a link to the garage plans I'm looking at and I've attached a pic of my house. Do you think the two would look good together or not. The garage would be 30 feet or so away from the house.

http://www.architecturaldesigns.com/house-plan-88335sh.asp

There's two things popping out to me. Your house has a hip roof throughout. The garage is a gabled roof which is important for the finished office upstairs. It will probably be alright but it's something to be aware of. Are you considering a breezeway attaching the house to the garage?

The second thing is the posts. Make sure they design the garage posts to match the house or the garage will catch your eye from the street. You don't want your garage to have more curb appeal than your house.

stevieray
03-17-2008, 05:48 PM
Awesome. Anythin gfor the Allen bar?

I need to get up to your pad soon.

Sure, give the guy my number. I just hired a guy last week and just told my foreman I wasn't hiring again for a while but I'll always talk to somebody. I might get a job tomorrow I need help on.

No, I was too late...I've got to get down there and check it out..

This guy could use the leg up...I'll have him give you a call..he's starting his own busuness..but every litle bit sure helps...I'll let him know...

thanks dude, appreciate it.

Phobia
03-17-2008, 05:50 PM
No, I was too late...I've got to get down there and check it out..

This guy could use the leg up...I'll have him give you a call..he's starting his own busuness..but every litle bit sure helps...I'll let him know...

thanks dude, appreciate it.

Oh no. I'm a sucker for those people. Heh. I'll probably hire him but it kinda depends on my next few projects. I've been turning over people pretty regularly. Some people don't want to work. Believe it or not, I just have people who stop showing up. Crazy industry.

stevieray
03-17-2008, 05:52 PM
Oh no. I'm a sucker for those people. Heh. I'll probably hire him but it kinda depends on my next few projects. I've been turning over people pretty regularly. Some people don't want to work. Believe it or not, I just have people who stop showing up. Crazy industry.

that isn't this guy...thank you man...

Hoover
03-17-2008, 06:18 PM
There's two things popping out to me. Your house has a hip roof throughout. The garage is a gabled roof which is important for the finished office upstairs. It will probably be alright but it's something to be aware of. Are you considering a breezeway attaching the house to the garage?

The second thing is the posts. Make sure they design the garage posts to match the house or the garage will catch your eye from the street. You don't want your garage to have more curb appeal than your house.

No breeze way, I have a huge patio I want to keep.

I like the posts on the garage because they are like the ones inside my house. But they do kind of worry me and I think you make a good point not to have a garage that has more appeal than my house. I've just have had a hell of a time finding anything that doesn't look too tall and modern in comparison to my house. I almost wonder is a carriage house type garage might be the way to go.

Phobia
03-17-2008, 06:41 PM
Just have them convert the 4 columns on your porch to match the garage design. That wouldn't be incredibly difficult.

Bowser
03-17-2008, 07:59 PM
Let me jump in and say Phobes and his guys do good work, and I'd recommend them anytime.

Halfcan
03-17-2008, 09:10 PM
Let me jump in and say Phobes and his guys do good work, and I'd recommend them anytime.

Thats for sure!!

DeezNutz
03-17-2008, 09:15 PM
Nice looking place, Hoover.

Hoover
03-17-2008, 11:21 PM
Thanks. Its a bitch to heat.

DaneMcCloud
03-18-2008, 12:02 AM
This is about as proud as I've been since the Scottsdale outdoor kitchen. I wish I'd have known how to do concrete counters then.

Before:
http://i28.tinypic.com/2yottad.jpg
After:
http://i28.tinypic.com/dcwvg5.jpg

Absolutely outstanding work! Kudos!

stlchiefs
03-18-2008, 12:48 AM
Granite is the new Formica. Concrete is the new high end. It just hasn't hit the midwest hard yet. It's really big on the coasts.

From what I've read a major drawback of concrete is the risk of staining of a colored liquid is spilled and left on the countertop. Is this a myth or something that has been corrected recently? I know any surface can stain in some manner, but I've heard that because concrete is so porous it increases the chances of staining.

stlchiefs
03-18-2008, 01:08 AM
There's two things popping out to me. Your house has a hip roof throughout. The garage is a gabled roof which is important for the finished office upstairs. It will probably be alright but it's something to be aware of. Are you considering a breezeway attaching the house to the garage?

The second thing is the posts. Make sure they design the garage posts to match the house or the garage will catch your eye from the street. You don't want your garage to have more curb appeal than your house.

I'm not a contractor like Phobia, but I did notice those two aspects as well as the roof. This may be a dumb post and you already planned on matching your current house, but I'd say you definitely want a tiled roof on the garage as well.

I'd also try to match the brick from the house and try to incorporate what appears to be limestone under the windows into the garage design. Once again I'm not a contractor, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

stlchiefs
03-18-2008, 01:11 AM
This is about as proud as I've been since the Scottsdale outdoor kitchen. I wish I'd have known how to do concrete counters then.

Before:
http://i28.tinypic.com/2yottad.jpg
After:
http://i28.tinypic.com/dcwvg5.jpg

Awesome transformation. What a great way to incorporate/hide the supports. You appear to do great work Phobia. Your pole wrapping skills are nothing to be ashamed of either. :D

Hoover
03-18-2008, 01:48 AM
You know I amaze at how much roomier the space seems in the after photo.

Phobia
03-18-2008, 08:02 AM
From what I've read a major drawback of concrete is the risk of staining of a colored liquid is spilled and left on the countertop. Is this a myth or something that has been corrected recently? I know any surface can stain in some manner, but I've heard that because concrete is so porous it increases the chances of staining.

Yes, that's a concern - which is why we seal and wax it.

Alternatively, you can just let it stain and let your counters develop their own patina. That's another popular option.

Phobia
03-19-2008, 06:52 PM
You know I amaze at how much roomier the space seems in the after photo.

So,.... any decisions on your garage/office yet? I really like that plan. Looks like a fun build. I wish you were in Liberty instead of 3 hours away.

Hoover
03-19-2008, 07:05 PM
So,.... any decisions on your garage/office yet? I really like that plan. Looks like a fun build. I wish you were in Liberty instead of 3 hours away.

Actually I'm going to see if I can fit this thing (http://www.coolhouseplans.com/details.html?pid=chp-2201&FoundID=1&sid=chp1&source=C130&ordercode=C130)on my lot. I think the Roof lines work better with the house.

Phobia
03-19-2008, 07:14 PM
Wow - that's a hip roof but I'm not sure it goes any better than the gabled roof. The architect of your home went to a lot of effort to insure the pitch of your roof was symmetrical throughout - which is typical of the craftsman era. But here you're introducing an element with a much steeper pitch.

I think the only way to make that garage work would be to modify the plans to a ~12' wall in order to match the pitch on the house.

Otherwise, I think the gabled roof will work equally well because it doesn't look like you shoehorned an addition to "match" when it really doesn't. Plus, you'll be more comfortable on the 2nd level of a gabled roof than a hip roof.

I should really be charging a consulting fee. Heh.

Sully
03-19-2008, 07:34 PM
How much did that basement end up costing total?

Phobia
03-19-2008, 07:38 PM
How much did that basement end up costing total?

Just under $50k but that's all inclusive - including TV's and surround system.

Hoover
03-19-2008, 07:42 PM
Wow - that's a hip roof but I'm not sure it goes any better than the gabled roof. The architect of your home went to a lot of effort to insure the pitch of your roof was symmetrical throughout - which is typical of the craftsman era. But here you're introducing an element with a much steeper pitch.

I think the only way to make that garage work would be to modify the plans to a ~12' wall in order to match the pitch on the house.

Otherwise, I think the gabled roof will work equally well because it doesn't look like you shoehorned an addition to "match" when it really doesn't. Plus, you'll be more comfortable on the 2nd level of a gabled roof than a hip roof.

I should really be charging a consulting fee. Heh.

Yeah, I think the worse thing I could do is build something thats too big.

Valiant
03-19-2008, 08:06 PM
Okay, I'm showing off. I just finished a couple photos for a potential customer so I figured I'd share them.

The picture I'm showing is my first concrete counter attempt and is installed in my own home - on my kitchen island bar. The other focus is the pole wrap technique I've used. I've never, ever seen it done elsewhere and all my internet searches has failed to turn up a picture like it. Finally you'll see the floor with the diamond mosaic inlays. I'm kinda partial to that.


Wow, who you been practicing on.. That technique is thuper!!!!


:D Just ****ing with ya.. looks good..

Valiant
03-19-2008, 08:08 PM
Get that vision out of your head. Concrete countertops are NOTHING like a driveway (unless you want it to look like your driveway). Every concrete specialist has their own closely guarded recipe but it all starts with portland, sand, and water.

Check out this gallery. You won't believe what they can do with concrete. http://www.concretenetwork.com/photo-gallery/countertops_2/?sort=MostPopular

A few reasons concrete is gaining popularity:
1. You can make any shape you want.
2. You can span or cantilever greater distances.
3. The sky is the limit with regard to color, texture, graining, inlays, trivets, etc.
4. You can integrate concrete sinks into the actual counter.

We are going to try and do concrete that looks like tiles at our lakehouse.. Looks amazing when done correctly..

Valiant
03-19-2008, 08:12 PM
From what I've read a major drawback of concrete is the risk of staining of a colored liquid is spilled and left on the countertop. Is this a myth or something that has been corrected recently? I know any surface can stain in some manner, but I've heard that because concrete is so porous it increases the chances of staining.

Generally from the tips I have watched you put some sort of lacquer(sp?) over it to stop stains or scratches from heavy items.. Kind of like what you see at wooden bar tops, but for concrete..

Valiant
03-19-2008, 08:14 PM
Just under $50k but that's all inclusive - including TV's and surround system.

Holy shit.. Them ****ers must be lying on the flip it shows..

Phobia
03-19-2008, 11:56 PM
Holy shit.. Them ****ers must be lying on the flip it shows..

What do you mean?

Ari Chi3fs
03-20-2008, 12:07 AM
you keep getting better, other than selling faux and murals..;)

I know a guy...hard worker, looking for part time work..can I give him your number?


I just completed a five foot Jayhawk, and a four foot NFL logo...I love doing rooms for kids...they so appreciate it...

Good work, a Jayhawk... you have a pic of it?

Ari Chi3fs
03-20-2008, 12:16 AM
What do you mean?

I think he is saying "GOOD LORD 50K!!!!?!!?!?!!!!??? LOLOMGWTFBBQ!!!!1

Phobia
03-20-2008, 12:40 AM
I think he is saying "GOOD LORD 50K!!!!?!!?!?!!!!??? LOLOMGWTFBBQ!!!!1

Nah - that's a lot of basement for the money. That's quite a man-cave for that money. That's a Johnson County man-cave for Jackson County prices.

Valiant
03-20-2008, 11:04 AM
What do you mean?

Just seems high from the prices I have seen quoted on the TV shows that redo houses.. And the cost is probably even higher if you did not quote your own labor..

Phobia
03-20-2008, 12:11 PM
Just seems high from the prices I have seen quoted on the TV shows that redo houses.. And the cost is probably even higher if you did not quote your own labor..

If I were on a TV show, I'd have said it cost $15k. Most of those shows quote material costs.

That figure included everything, even things I did not sell them such as the electronics and furniture. My number was much lower.

NewChief
03-20-2008, 12:19 PM
Holy shit.. Them ****ers must be lying on the flip it shows..

I will say from my very limited experience with remodeling that the prices you see on the house flipping shows are either grossly underestimated (very often with the smaller operations, you end up seeing the costs get out of hand on those shows as they go way over budget) or a result of large companies who have their operations so optimized and can get such good bids in order to ensure repeat business that they really can do it that cheap.