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'Hamas' Jenkins
12-02-2007, 08:26 PM
He missed one game. If we are giving up on the kid this soon we will never have a shot in hell of being a successful franchise. It was a bruised kidney, and Herm wasn't going to expose him to that pass rush whilst banged up.

This intemperance is what allows a goon like Carl to still be employed.

percysnow
12-02-2007, 08:28 PM
first!!

CupidStunt
12-02-2007, 08:29 PM
No disagreement here, although the Chiefs are so awful that they MUST go BPA. If that's a QB, they have to make that pick.

Chiefspants
12-02-2007, 08:30 PM
Yeah, I'm willing to go with at least one season with Croyle.

blueballs
12-02-2007, 08:30 PM
if it's okay with Kolby
it's okay with me

FAX
12-02-2007, 08:31 PM
Amen, Mr. 'Hamas' Jenkins. All I want is a chance for him to play "his game" in front of Chiefs fans so they can see what he can do when he's allowed (and has time in the backfield) to do it.

FAX

UteChief
12-02-2007, 08:31 PM
Who has given up on him. I hope he starts the rest of the year.

dj56dt58
12-02-2007, 08:32 PM
No disagreement here, although the Chiefs are so awful that they MUST go BPA. If that's a QB, they have to make that pick.
to get killed? As much as I'd love to get Brennan we gotta go offensive line..draft and free agency

BigVE
12-02-2007, 08:32 PM
Gonzo had a great game today but it was very very sad to see at one point late in the game Hu-tard had 173 yds passing and Tony G. had 140+ yds receiving. He has to spread it around a bit. Another thing about Hu-tard, he is so scared to get hit now (he gets hit alot) if the D even LOOKS at him wrong he goes into the fetal position. All this game did was CONFIRM that Brody is the man....unless Thigpen steps in. lol

kstater
12-02-2007, 08:33 PM
With a line that isn't even mediocre, I would hesitate putting him in again this year. It will be extremely difficult to adjust to the game and develop for Croyle if he is constantly running for his life out there. Leave Huard out there as a sacrafice and start over next year with a (hopefully) improved line.

Tribal Warfare
12-02-2007, 08:34 PM
No disagreement here, although the Chiefs are so awful that they MUST go BPA. If that's a QB, they have to make that pick.


the way KC is going, and if Oher declares then he would be the BPA

L.A. Chieffan
12-02-2007, 08:34 PM
Brodie's done. Washed up. Bring out the next lamb

Guru
12-02-2007, 08:34 PM
Herm had better open things up for the rest of the season. I don't care if we lose or not. Just like TG said, open it up and see what you have.

KCFalcon59
12-02-2007, 08:36 PM
It'll be the next coaches decision whether to keep Croyle around. This next draft, we have to repair the line and corners if at all possible.

FAX
12-02-2007, 09:17 PM
Agreed, Mr. KCFalcon59. We just found out what happens if you sign a "superstar" running back and ignore the needs at oline. I would hope that the FO doesn't make the same mistake with a QB.

We don't need to sign skill players at this point. Rather, we should invest in an oline that will maximize the talents of the skill players we already have. Then, once that's in place, we can focus on WR, RB, and QB if needed.

FAX

dj56dt58
12-02-2007, 09:50 PM
Gonzo had a great game today but it was very very sad to see at one point late in the game Hu-tard had 173 yds passing and Tony G. had 140+ yds receiving. He has to spread it around a bit. Another thing about Hu-tard, he is so scared to get hit now (he gets hit alot) if the D even LOOKS at him wrong he goes into the fetal position. All this game did was CONFIRM that Brody is the man....unless Thigpen steps in. lol
He tried to spread it around..Gonzo is the only one that would hold on to the ****ing ball..Bowe dropped at least 4 passes

RustShack
12-02-2007, 09:52 PM
Croyle to Bowe!

CupidStunt
12-03-2007, 09:50 AM
to get killed? As much as I'd love to get Brennan we gotta go offensive line..draft and free agency

Awful teams go BPA. PERIOD. No excuses.

Doesn't matter that we can't block. We also can't tackle, plug holes, cover, throw, catch. BPA - NO excuses. Hopefully that is OL, but I won't shed a tear if it's not. There isn't a player in the draft that KC couldn't use.

Mecca
12-03-2007, 09:52 AM
Awful teams go BPA. PERIOD. No excuses.

Doesn't matter that we can't block. We also can't tackle, plug holes, cover, throw, catch. BPA - NO excuses. Hopefully that is OL, but I won't shed a tear if it's not. There isn't a player in the draft that KC couldn't use.

That sums it up, even if we take Andre Woodson first you can't knock that pick.

siberian khatru
12-03-2007, 09:52 AM
Awful teams go BPA. PERIOD. No excuses.

Doesn't matter that we can't block. We also can't tackle, plug holes, cover, throw, catch. BPA - NO excuses. Hopefully that is OL, but I won't shed a tear if it's not. There isn't a player in the draft that KC couldn't use.

Agreed. If we start reaching with high picks, we're gonna be the dregs of the NFL for a decade.

Mecca
12-03-2007, 09:55 AM
Agreed. If we start reaching with high picks, we're gonna be the dregs of the NFL for a decade.

Nah we won't Carl would then go spend in FA like usual so we'd win our 9 games and not be horrible....Carl has used FA to mask how bad a team usually is when they draft like him.

Delano
12-03-2007, 10:01 AM
Can Brodie handle 8 sacks per game and over 30 hits throughout the remainder of the season?

It is only going to get worse with Svitek at LT, the Turley and Terry turd carousel, and the up-and-coming Niswanger out. Not good.

Mecca
12-03-2007, 10:01 AM
Can Brodie handle 8 sacks per game and over 30 hits throughout the remainder of the season?

It is only going to get worse with Svitek at LT, the Turley and Terry turd carousel, and the up-and-coming Niswanger out. Not good.

I'm not sure he can handle being breathed on heavily...

Pushead2
12-03-2007, 10:04 AM
Hopefully we suck to bad we can get Jake Long.

Delano
12-03-2007, 10:08 AM
I'm not sure he can handle being breathed on heavily...

He is an injury prone guy, but shit, getting speared in the back is going to take out the best of 'em.

I like that Herm is taking the cautionary route. I would sit Brodie for another game and see if this makeshift line can gel at all to provide more than 1.5 seconds of protection. The experience would be great, but it is worthless if a serious injury occurs.

Mecca
12-03-2007, 10:09 AM
We have the double whammy here.....

We got a QB who hasn't made a full season at any level since his junior year of high school...and we got Herm who's QB's always get hurt...

splatbass
12-03-2007, 10:15 AM
Who has given up on him? I haven't seen anyone here that has. He was out for a game because of injury. He'll be back, hopefully next week.

el borracho
12-03-2007, 10:19 AM
Well, I wouldn't give up on Croyle but I also would not hesitate to draft a QB in the 1st if he happened to be the BPA. Croyle is still a ?. At this point, he is just a kid with a big arm and a hot wife.

Otter
12-03-2007, 10:20 AM
Hopefully we suck to bad we can get Jake Long.

That would be sweet!!! He's got a nice mean streak too!!!

:drool:

Croyle will be fine, he's the least of our worries.

donkhater
12-03-2007, 11:31 AM
Draft one franchise-type player at an impact position and it can have a DRAMATIC effect on the team.

Look at Derek Anderson and the Browns. They were OK on offense last season, but then they shore up that LT spot and all of a sudden Derek Anderson is the next star of the NFL and the Browns-THE BROWNS--are teaing up the league. Whatever. He just finally had time to throw.

Rausch
12-03-2007, 11:33 AM
Croyle has targets. He's got Bowe, Gonzo, and LJ/Smith when healthy.

What he doesn't have is a full playbook or offensive line yet. Not his fault...

morphius
12-03-2007, 11:34 AM
I wasn't aware that I was supposed to give up on him.

talastan
12-03-2007, 12:08 PM
No one here has given up on Brodie. Everyone is just frustrated that Herm/Carl/Solari, or Whoever, has him playing with his throwing arm tied behind his back. Brodie is a deep vertical passing QB. You can't make use of his talents if he's on his back all game long. An O line suited more to the power running - clock control game Herm likes will go a long way to helping keep Croyle in the game.

CupidStunt
12-03-2007, 12:40 PM
Draft one franchise-type player at an impact position and it can have a DRAMATIC effect on the team.

Look at Derek Anderson and the Browns. They were OK on offense last season, but then they shore up that LT spot and all of a sudden Derek Anderson is the next star of the NFL and the Browns-THE BROWNS--are teaing up the league. Whatever. He just finally had time to throw.

We could be that type of offense, but it'd take a LOT of work/luck.

Joe Thomas - elite LT prospect, one of the best I've seen personally ... Hope and pray we get someone who's perhaps 70% as good as him.

Steinbach - elite guard, high-priced FA ... I don't like our chances.

Shaffer - decent RT, high-priced FA ... not sure we can even get someone of his caliber in this offseason

Winslow - Gonzalez

Edwards - Bowe

Jurevicius - we really need a decent No. 2 threat

Anderson - I'm not extremely high on Anderson and feel he's more of a system QB, but can Brodie be that guy? Maybe ... as I said, a lot of luck is involved, too.

You're asking a lot to be the Browns. They accomplished that over two years, predominantly, with a lot of money spent and two top-three picks. We won't even have one.

donkhater
12-03-2007, 02:05 PM
We could be that type of offense, but it'd take a LOT of work/luck.

Joe Thomas - elite LT prospect, one of the best I've seen personally ... Hope and pray we get someone who's perhaps 70% as good as him.

Steinbach - elite guard, high-priced FA ... I don't like our chances.

Shaffer - decent RT, high-priced FA ... not sure we can even get someone of his caliber in this offseason

Winslow - Gonzalez

Edwards - Bowe

Jurevicius - we really need a decent No. 2 threat

Anderson - I'm not extremely high on Anderson and feel he's more of a system QB, but can Brodie be that guy? Maybe ... as I said, a lot of luck is involved, too.

You're asking a lot to be the Browns. They accomplished that over two years, predominantly, with a lot of money spent and two top-three picks. We won't even have one.
Not really.

Edwards, Winslow and Anderson were all there prior to this season. Jurevicius is an OK reciever but is benefiting more from single coverage IMO.

THE biggest difference in the Browns last year and this year is Thomas and Stienbach both of whom were aquired last season.

You don't think this offense would be SIGNIFICANTLY better with a line of:

LT--Draft choice the caliber of Thomas
LG-Waters
Center-Weigmann
RG-Solid FA the caliber of Steinbach
RT-McIntosh

Add in another year's seasoning for Croyle and a MUCH better backfield and they may not approach the Browns (after all, Herm is still the coach) but the performance would like be night and day IMO.

FAX
12-03-2007, 02:12 PM
I think we need to look in FA or trade one of our 9000 draft picks for a left tackle. Experience really counts in that position. I don't know if anyone will be available or if a trade deal can be worked out, though. But if we can get that done, we then see how BPA works out in the draft. If we don't pick up any players for the right side of the line, we enter the FA market for those needs.

If we draft the oline, we push back our turnaround by, perhaps, years.

FAX

the Talking Can
12-03-2007, 02:18 PM
I'll give up on Herm, but not Crodie, I mean Broyle, I mean..

penchief
12-03-2007, 03:05 PM
I think Croyle has the goods. That said, I thought Thigpen looked better than Huard yesterday. Pass plays are so slow in developing with Huard and he's so easy to read. If he's not getting sacked or intercepted, his passes are getting knocked down at the line of scrimmage. I swear it seemed like he had three passes on one drive knocked down within a matter of a half-dozen plays.

When Thigpen came in it seemed like he made quicker decisions and got rid of the ball a lot quicker. Both he and Croyle are way ahead of Huard when it comes to that. Too bad Bowe dropped the nice sideline pass that Thigpen made.

ChiefsCountry
12-03-2007, 03:14 PM
We have the double whammy here.....

We got a QB who hasn't made a full season at any level since his junior year of high school...and we got Herm who's QB's always get hurt...

Thats a funny stat considering he started every game as a senior & sophomore.

FAX
12-03-2007, 03:17 PM
Thats a funny stat considering he started every game as a senior & sophomore.

Yeah. That post smelt.

FAX

talastan
12-03-2007, 04:05 PM
Yeah. That post smelt.

FAX
That's Mecca the doomsayer for ya. I think Brodie has one of the toughest mentalities that I've seen in a young QB in a long time. I know I'm biased but I think this kid with a solid O-line is the guy to take us to the promised land. Provided Herm doesn't leash him up, and gets an OC that can gameplan one stinking game!! :#

Chris Meck
12-03-2007, 04:05 PM
yep. It's a bruised kidney, dude. That's a freak thing.

Tribal Warfare
12-03-2007, 04:40 PM
I think Brodie has one of the toughest mentalities that I've seen in a young QB in a long time.


It's that Joe Montana air about him

Chris Meck
12-03-2007, 05:34 PM
He doesn't get ruffled. That's the thing.

Dylan
12-03-2007, 09:03 PM
There's no reason to give up on Brodie Croyle. The NFL has always been hard on rookie quarterbacks. The mental preparation that it takes to learn an NFL playbook takes time to develop. Croyle's in a professional sport in which speed and size cause an impact.

A huge part of the Patriots and Cowboys success is their offensive line. Without a line to protect him, how could a good quarterback prove he can make all of the difference to his team?

In the ’80s, Giants GM George Young pushed the "Planet Theory on Bill Parcells . To Young's way of thinking there are only so many big huge, athletic people on the planet, and if you find one in the draft take him. If you have more of them than your opponent, you’ve got the edge.
These planets let Parcells keep New York’s schemes simple. They believed they were the more physical team and could wear you down by game’s end. It Parcells to work in younger players faster on offense and defense.

If you are a Giants fan, you are undoubtedly wishing that Eli Manning had a good offensive line. Then and only then will I know if he may be the quarterback of the future. There is no question, Croyle deserves the same.

Dylan
12-03-2007, 09:08 PM
If I have time, I will post stats of HOF QB's rookie seasons. They paid a huge price to learn their craft.