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jettio
12-03-2007, 12:04 PM
Herm Edwards better work his team harder in training camp and on the practice field.

Unlike to propaganda coming from Arrowhead, this year Chiefs are underachieving their talent level.

Herm's philosophy of keeping players fresh by practicing less does not work.

The reason this team does not play better is that they do not practice enough. Esp. the offensive line and the offense.

If Herm runs a harder training camp like Vermeil or Schottenheimer, he can be a winner in 2008. If he does things the same way, 2008 is his last year here.

Fish
12-03-2007, 12:08 PM
Wow....

Longer practices huh? That's the critical factor the Chiefs are neglecting?



Good grief........................

Bowser
12-03-2007, 12:09 PM
People bitch about Herm; people bitch about Carl; people bitch about Solari, the scheme, whatever....

It comes down to this - If the Chiefs are going to have ANY success next year, they have GOT TO improve the offensive line. It's not about working them harder, or less harder - it's about the talent on the offensive line. Because of them, we are going to score the least amount of points in the history of this team, because the line cannot pass protect or run block.

Don't put this year on Herm (even though he has his share of mistakes this year). Put this on Carl for not bringing in the players at a vital position to help this team win.

jettio
12-03-2007, 12:24 PM
The Chiefs offense is out of sync and simplified because they do not work hard enough to get in sync. And, they do not practice enough to run more complex plays.

Under Vermeil, old veteran linemen were fit and the unit worked together. Now, the talent level is down but not as down as the results, so is the fitness level.

At every level of football, fitness and practicing hard and smart make the difference.

As paid professionals, the Chiefs should practice as long as they need to play their best.

If Herm allots a certain amount of time for practice and the clock runs out before the team demonstrates their proficiency, and he ends practice because of time and not because of results, then he is not getting the most out of the talent that he has.

As crappy as the last three Herm Edwards' teams have looked in their season openers, it looks like he is not working the team enough in training camp.

Also, in last year's playoff, the Chiefs were not prepared to play in a loud indoor stadium.

That loss had more to do with lack of preparation for a loud and hostile crowd than playcalling.

jettio
12-03-2007, 12:31 PM
Wow....

Longer practices huh? That's the critical factor the Chiefs are neglecting?



Good grief........................

Practicing better and smarter would do a lot more for a team than your theory about the owner coming down on the field and clapping.

Unless the Chiefs practice better, there are not going to win more.

I think if you ask people that played football, at any level, what is more important, practice or who is cheering from the sidelines, practice would be far more important.

Fish
12-03-2007, 12:32 PM
jettio...... you're making it worse...

The problem isn't the amount of practice time. You can't take a bum offensive line and keep them from being bums just because you practice longer. If you don't have the talent to compete, no amount of extra practice is going to help.

Count Zarth
12-03-2007, 01:09 PM
Vermeil's practices were longer, yes.

They were also LAZIER.

The Chiefs practiced at a much slower pace. Under Herm they get the same amount of work done in a shorter period of time. The tempo is much quicker.

I don't think I could stand going to training camp next year if the three-hour practices return.

Valiant
12-03-2007, 01:19 PM
I think there is a lot more wrong with this team then just the practices..

Oline, O playcalling, players giving up, Herm, Carl, injuries, Herm, DE/LB never containing, Herm

But there are some good spots: Bowe, Croyle got playing time then herm wanted(thanks to injuries) and TG.. Oh and we are hopefuly going to get a great draft spot..

The one thing Herm does well for the team is drafts.. other then that??

Mr. Arrowhead
12-03-2007, 01:41 PM
The Talent here needs to get better. If you think we are underacheiving, then you are just fooling yourself. This team just doesnt have alot of talent, that is why most of the so called experts didnt expect alot of us, because we just dont have the players here to get the job done

Reerun_KC
12-03-2007, 01:43 PM
9-7 and a first round playoff loss is what this organization needs to get back on the mediocrity track!

Stinger
12-03-2007, 01:48 PM
Unlike to propaganda coming from Arrowhead, this year Chiefs are underachieving their talent level.

WTH???????

ROFL ROFL

Have you watched our offensive line? Explain to me where the talent is on that line?

jettio
12-03-2007, 03:24 PM
WTH???????

ROFL ROFL

Have you watched our offensive line? Explain to me where the talent is on that line?

So if the team is playing to its talent level, why is anyone complaining about coaching?

OnTheWarpath58
12-03-2007, 03:29 PM
Wow.....

Somehow, practice is to blame?

It sure wasn't a problem LAST YEAR, with the same practice schedule.

Jesus Christ, the excuses people will make when they have an axe to grind are ri-god-damn-diculous.

Maybe, just maybe, the lack of talent and a rash of injuries has a little bit to do with having a 4-8 record.

Tribal Warfare
12-03-2007, 03:36 PM
Maybe, just maybe, the lack of talent and a rash of injuries has a little bit to do with having a 4-8 record.


don't forget dumbshit gameday coaching

keg in kc
12-03-2007, 03:39 PM
Underachieving their talent level?

Unless you mean they're a 5-win team that's played down to 4 wins, I'd say that's a bit of a stretch.

OnTheWarpath58
12-03-2007, 03:40 PM
don't forget dumbshit gameday coaching

C'mon, TW.

I'm not saying he's the second coming of Vince Lombardi.

I'm just saying that in the pecking order of reasons why this team is 4-8, practice schedule isn't even on the list.

And it's a LONG ****ing list.

FAX
12-03-2007, 04:45 PM
Practice? We're talking about practice, man. I mean, how silly is that? We're talking about practice. Practice? I know they're supposed to be there. I know they're supposed to lead by example ... I know it's important ... I honestly do. But we're talking about practice, man. What are we talking about? Practice?

FAX

jettio
12-03-2007, 05:02 PM
Practice? We're talking about practice, man. I mean, how silly is that? We're talking about practice. Practice? I know they're supposed to be there. I know they're supposed to lead by example ... I know it's important ... I honestly do. But we're talking about practice, man. What are we talking about? Practice?

FAX

:)

I just go by what I read in the papers.

I am rooting for Herm to make everyone eat crow in 2008.

He could go 12-4 next year and make it to the AFC championship and 90% of the people down on him now will still be pissing and moaning.

FAX
12-03-2007, 05:15 PM
:)

I just go by what I read in the papers.

I am rooting for Herm to make everyone eat crow in 2008.

He could go 12-4 next year and make it to the AFC championship and 90% of the people down on him now will still be pissing and moaning.

It was an Iverson thing. But, I hope you're right, Mr. jettio. Nothing would please me more than to see the Chiefs turn things around next year. Unfortunately, the outlook is bleaker than a weekend furlough on spider island.

Too many holes to fill. No real offensive strategy (other than not turn the ball over and try to improve field position). Too much money tied up in too few players.

I hate to say it, but I think we're at least 3 to 4 years away from seeing things come together. In the meantime, I'm with you. Let's practice their asses off. Especially after losses.

FAX

kstater
12-03-2007, 05:21 PM
You're right Jettio. The Chiefs should have continued two-a-days after Training Camp and into the season. If only Herm had had more two-a-days the Chiefs would be undefeated.

CoMoChief
12-03-2007, 05:22 PM
You know, on offense Dick Vermeil would practice and practice all day long on the offense to a point where people got tired of it, having that said they knew how to execute the offense down to a point.

Herm needs to do the same to this offense. That and change his ****in offensive schemes!!!!!!!

Hydrae
12-03-2007, 05:33 PM
Interesting thought. I have been wondering at the number of hamstring issues we have seen this year and keep thinking that it sounds like a conditioning thing to me.

Also, note how the defense can not get our opponents off the field in the 4th quarter. This also sounds like a conditioning issue especially when you see that we are continually winning the TOP battle.

Valiant
12-03-2007, 06:09 PM
Interesting thought. I have been wondering at the number of hamstring issues we have seen this year and keep thinking that it sounds like a conditioning thing to me.

Also, note how the defense can not get our opponents off the field in the 4th quarter. This also sounds like a conditioning issue especially when you see that we are continually winning the TOP battle.


valid assumption..

jettio
12-03-2007, 06:11 PM
You're right Jettio. The Chiefs should have continued two-a-days after Training Camp and into the season. If only Herm had had more two-a-days the Chiefs would be undefeated.


Did you ever play any organized sports?

There was a lot of fanfare about DV's practices vs. Vermeil's.

It seems to me that the Chiefs simplifying the offense and not executing plays are directly related to that.

Anyone that has played sports knows that the way a team practices matters.

kstater
12-03-2007, 06:17 PM
Did you ever play any organized sports?

There was a lot of fanfare about DV's practices vs. Vermeil's.

It seems to me that the Chiefs simplifying the offense and not executing plays are directly related to that.

Anyone that has played sports knows that the way a team practices matters.


I'm just saying that of all the reasons the Chief's are not successful this year, non marathon practices are way down on the list.

Tribal Warfare
12-04-2007, 01:00 AM
Anyone that has played sports knows that the way a team practices matters.


Perfect practice leads to perfect execution

RedThat
12-04-2007, 08:57 AM
Interesting thought. I have been wondering at the number of hamstring issues we have seen this year and keep thinking that it sounds like a conditioning thing to me.

Also, note how the defense can not get our opponents off the field in the 4th quarter. This also sounds like a conditioning issue especially when you see that we are continually winning the TOP battle.

Disagree. I don't think it is a conditioning thing? It more or less has to do with the fact on how putrid our offense is. When you lead the league in 3 and outs, and don't sustain very many long drives on offense, your defense is going to get tired.

xbarretx
12-04-2007, 08:59 AM
People bitch about Herm; people bitch about Carl; people bitch about Solari, the scheme, whatever....

It comes down to this - If the Chiefs are going to have ANY success next year, they have GOT TO improve the offensive line. It's not about working them harder, or less harder - it's about the talent on the offensive line. Because of them, we are going to score the least amount of points in the history of this team, because the line cannot pass protect or run block.

Don't put this year on Herm (even though he has his share of mistakes this year). Put this on Carl for not bringing in the players at a vital position to help this team win.

correct but he does have a roundabout point. what ever mentality that this team needs to succede.....they dont have it. They need it. upgrade tallent and make players earn there cash. the players as well as coaches need to take ownership of playing half@$$

FAX
12-04-2007, 12:26 PM
Interesting thought. I have been wondering at the number of hamstring issues we have seen this year and keep thinking that it sounds like a conditioning thing to me.

Also, note how the defense can not get our opponents off the field in the 4th quarter. This also sounds like a conditioning issue especially when you see that we are continually winning the TOP battle.

You're right about both those issues, in my opinion, Mr. Hydrae. The hamstrings are conditioning for sure. As for the D's propensity to fade in the 4th quarter, you may be seeing that on both sides of the ball. I mean, not only does the defense appear to be softening, but the offense cannot seem to move the ball in the 4th.

I have yet to hear a media person ask this question of Herm, however. Who picks these KC media people, anyway?

FAX

OnTheWarpath58
12-04-2007, 12:27 PM
Again, I don't remember this being an issue LAST YEAR, when Herm had the exact same practice schedule......

jettio
12-04-2007, 03:38 PM
Again, I don't remember this being an issue LAST YEAR, when Herm had the exact same practice schedule......

I did make the point last year that the Colts playoff loss was due more to the fact that the Chiefs were not prepared to deal with a loud crowd.

It was not just the playcalling. IMO, the playcalling was less of a factor than the fact that the Chiefs had not done enough to prepare for the noise.

Overall, teams are much better prepared now to handle a silent count and catch the ball in a loud environment than the Chiefs were last year in the playoff game.

Did the Chiefs do anything to prepare for the noise last year before the Colts game?