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Silock
12-05-2007, 08:53 PM
This guy has really, really stepped it up for KU this year. Good to see, especially since Kaun is remaining the same.

CoMoChief
12-05-2007, 08:58 PM
Good thing too. Kaun is the worst player in the NCAA, men's and women's. Sad thing is, is that I'm not even close to kidding about this. I truly believe this.

Mr. Laz
12-05-2007, 08:58 PM
you should be happy as hell ...... apparently Self as decided that Kaun is a scrub.



despite that fact that he still clearly our* most productive and complete big man.



* edited my dumb spelling

Pierce
12-05-2007, 08:58 PM
Darnell is a great fit for this team. Someone who can light a fire under the asses of the rest of the team.

Mr. Laz
12-05-2007, 08:58 PM
Good thing too. Kaun is the worst player in the NCAA, men's and women's.
you are a complete dumbass

Skip Towne
12-05-2007, 09:00 PM
I wouldn't want to meet Darnell Jackson in a dark alley. Anybody getting the game? Score?

CoMoChief
12-05-2007, 09:01 PM
you are a complete dumbass
How? Kaun is downright terrible.

Skip Towne
12-05-2007, 09:04 PM
How? Kaun is downright terrible.
Kaun isn't a good shooter. He is good on defense and rebounding. Far from terrible. Go back to Columbia, turncoat.

CoMoChief
12-05-2007, 09:07 PM
Kaun isn't a good shooter. He is good on defense and rebounding. Far from terrible. Go back to Columbia, turncoat.
Ummm. Im in Columbia.......anyways,

Kaun is the worst 5 man I have ever seen start for Kansas. Yes that includes Eric Chenowith.

Mr. Laz
12-05-2007, 09:08 PM
How? Kaun is downright terrible.
he leads the team in blocks even though he sees far fewer minute than most the other players.

his shooting % is the best among the big men if not the team

he is one of our best rebounders ... per minute played he probably tops on the team


when it comes to productivity PER MINUTE played ... he's the best big man we got.


away from the ball he is miles ahead of the other big men .... jackson is the only one that comes close.



the only thing he doesn't do is look pretty and score a bunch of points. He still scores ... but doesn't take a bunch of shots.


arthur is a better scorer
jackson is more physical
Kaun is the better all-around player

CoMoChief
12-05-2007, 09:08 PM
Todd Kappelman, Christian Moody >>>>> Sasha Kaun

doomy3
12-05-2007, 09:09 PM
Ummm. Im in Columbia.......anyways,

Kaun is the worst 5 man I have ever seen start for Kansas. Yes that includes Eric Chenowith.


That's ridiculous.

CoMoChief
12-05-2007, 09:10 PM
he leads the team in blocks even though he sees far fewer minute than most the other players.

his shooting % is the best among the big men if not the team

he is one of our best rebounders ... per minute played he probably tops on the team


when it comes to productivity PER MINUTE played ... he's the best big man we got.


away from the ball he is miles ahead of the other big men .... jackson is the only one that comes close.



the only thing he doesn't do is look pretty and score a bunch of points. He still scores ... but doesn't take a bunch of shots.


arthur is a better scorer
jackson is more physical
Kaun is the better all-around player
That's not true at all.

Silock
12-05-2007, 09:13 PM
despite that fact that he still clearly are most productive and complete big man.


Most complete? Not a chance.

Skip Towne
12-05-2007, 09:18 PM
That's not true at all.
Go away, you smell of MUron.

Mr. Laz
12-05-2007, 09:20 PM
That's not true at all.
bullshit ... try actually paying attention to facts

total minutes

arthur - 177
jackson - 162
Kaun - 134

blocks

Kaun - 13
arthur - 11
jackson - 7

shooting %

Kaun - 80%
jackson - 58.8
arthur - 53.3%

Ave. Rebound

jackson 6.4
arthur 6.1
Kaun 4.1

steals

arthur - 8
jackson - 7
Kaun - 5

CoMoChief
12-05-2007, 09:22 PM
Go away, you smell of MUron.
smells like you need to change your diaper, Skip.

CoMoChief
12-05-2007, 09:23 PM
bullshit ... try actually paying attention to facts

total minutes

arthur - 177
jackson - 162
Kaun - 134

blocks

Kaun - 13
arthur - 11
jackson - 7

shooting %

Kaun - 80%
jackson - 58.8
arthur - 53.3%

Shooting % in this case has nothing to do with total minutes played. You yourself said Kaun doesn't shoot much, of course he's more likely to have a higher shooting %

the Talking Can
12-05-2007, 09:25 PM
you should be happy as hell ...... apparently Self as decided that Kaun is a scrub.



despite that fact that he still clearly are most productive and complete big man.

good lord, that's retarded...Kaun can't do anything but dunk on the offensive end...he's missed more 1 ft shots than any player in history...

i like the guy, but saying he's a complete bigman is laughable..

Mr. Laz
12-05-2007, 09:25 PM
Shooting % has nothing to do with total minutes played. You yourself said Kaun doesn't shoot much, of course he's more likely to have a higher shooting %
all about the points with you ... you even looking at the rest of the stats that are DIRECTLY effected by less playing time.

Kaun is more productive ..... period


you just only see slam dunks and pretty shots

Mr. Laz
12-05-2007, 09:27 PM
good lord, that's retarded...Kaun can't do anything but dunk on the offensive end...he's missed more 1 ft shots than any player in history...

i like the guy, but saying he's a complete bigman is laughable..
i said he is OUR most complete big man ... not that he was a complete big man

there isn't another big guy on KU that does everything as well as Kaun.


not saying much ..... but he's still the best we got.

CoMoChief
12-05-2007, 09:28 PM
all about the points with you ... you even looking at the rest of the stats that are DIRECTLY effected by less playing time.

Kaun is more productive ..... period


you just only see slam dunks and pretty shots
No what I see is a ****ing shit load of missed layups. It's like watching my 7yr old cousin play little league.

No one said you have to be a good shooter to be a good bigman down low offensively. Most centers aren't good shooters, but at this level, you for damn sure better be able to make it from inside a few feet most of the time. you could almost make an argument that he misses more from down there than he makes.

Are you really gonna argue about a 2 shot block difference? Like there really is any relevance to that at all?

Skip Towne
12-05-2007, 09:28 PM
all about the points with you ... you even looking at the rest of the stats that are DIRECTLY effected by less playing time.

Kaun is more productive ..... period


you just only see slam dunks and pretty shots
You're right. Kaun is 20 of 25 from the field. Also notice KU's lead increases while he's in and decreases when he's out.

Mr. Laz
12-05-2007, 09:30 PM
No what I see is a ****ing shit load of missed layups. It's like watching my 7yr old cousin play little league.

No one said you have to be a good shooter to be a good bigman down low offensively. Most centers aren't good shooters.

Are you really gonna argue about a 2 shot block difference? Like there really is any relevance to that at all?

how can you see a shitload of missed layups when Kaun shoots 80%?


and he has the 2 shot block difference in a fraction of the playing time.

same for rebounds,steals etc

the Talking Can
12-05-2007, 09:30 PM
i said he is OUR most complete big man ... not that he was a complete big man

there isn't another big guy on KU that does everything as well as Kaun.


not saying much ..... but he's still the best we got.

no, he's not...he's not starting for a reason...

Mr. Laz
12-05-2007, 09:30 PM
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Skip Towne
12-05-2007, 09:34 PM
no, he's not...he's not starting for a reason...
He started the Arizona game.

Mr. Laz
12-05-2007, 09:36 PM
no, he's not...he's not starting for a reason...
he's started more games then not

Skip Towne
12-05-2007, 09:45 PM
Some guys were badmouthing Kaun on the KU board last year when a guy pointed out we were nearly always better off when he left the game than we were when he entered. I started paying attention to that and he was right.

Mr. Laz
12-05-2007, 09:50 PM
Some guys were badmouthing Kaun on the KU board last year when a guy pointed out we were nearly always better off when he left the game than we were when he entered. I started paying attention to that and he was right.
it's the truth .....

if you look at the numbers, he's productive with the time he plays.

if you look beyond the numbers, we are a better "team" when he is on the floor.

lots of people don't want to hear it ... but it's true.

Skip Towne
12-05-2007, 09:53 PM
it's the truth .....

if you look at the numbers, he's productive with the time he plays.

if you look beyond the numbers, we are a better "team" when he is on the floor.

lots of people don't want to hear it ... but it's true.
Not to mention depth when foul trouble rears its ugly head.

BWillie
12-05-2007, 09:59 PM
At this point he sure looks better than Cole Aldrich. Yeah I know Cole is a freshman, just using it as a comparison. To say he is the worst center in the NCAA's is laughable. He got nominated on a list for the best 30 college seniors in the NCAA's. He's not THAT bad, but I admit he hasn't lived up to his potential.

Skip Towne
12-05-2007, 10:02 PM
At this point he sure looks better than Cole Aldrich. Yeah I know Cole is a freshman, just using it as a comparison. To say he is the worst center in the NCAA's is laughable. He got nominated on a list for the best 30 college seniors in the NCAA's. He's not THAT bad, but I admit he hasn't lived up to his potential.
We knew he was a project coming out of Florida Air Academy. He only had one or two years of organized BB when we got him. I think he's done well.

bobbything
12-05-2007, 10:13 PM
He's excellent on defense. However, he has hands of stone. He should be a much, much better rebounder. Really, he's a pretty poor rebounder for his size.

This is where I'm disappointed in him. Offensively, he is what he is. He can't shoot free throws very well and has trouble (still) taking an entry pass. However, he's very good on defense. If his hands were better, he'd be a better rebounder.

CoMoChief
12-05-2007, 10:20 PM
He's excellent on defense. However, he has hands of stone. He should be a much, much better rebounder. Really, he's a pretty poor rebounder for his size.

This is where I'm disappointed in him. Offensively, he is what he is. He can't shoot free throws very well and has trouble (still) taking an entry pass. However, he's very good on defense. If his hands were better, he'd be a better rebounder.
Totally agree.

He still sucks in my bool though.

chiefsfan987
12-05-2007, 10:21 PM
He's excellent on defense. However, he has hands of stone. He should be a much, much better rebounder. Really, he's a pretty poor rebounder for his size.

This is where I'm disappointed in him. Offensively, he is what he is. He can't shoot free throws very well and has trouble (still) taking an entry pass. However, he's very good on defense. If his hands were better, he'd be a better rebounder.

I agree. His biggest problem is that he has hands of stone. You can't pass him the ball when he's on the move or he isn't gonna catch it.

bobbything
12-05-2007, 10:25 PM
Totally agree.

He still sucks in my bool though.
I know there's no stat for it, but I bet Kaun leads the nation in rebounds that he goes up for, gets his hands firmly on, and doesn't come down with. It's frustrating to watch to the (n)th degree. He boxes out well, gets very good position, is taller than most of his opponents, yet, flubs 2 out of 3 rebounds that look to be secure.

However, I feel very comfortable him guarding just about any big man. And any offense we get out of him is gravy. I like him coming off the bench better than starting.

KILLER_CLOWN
12-06-2007, 01:30 AM
Sasha Kaun "in Soviet Russia Ball Dunk You" :)

Ari ümlaüt
12-06-2007, 02:44 AM
Ummm. Im in Columbia.......anyways,

Kaun is the worst 5 man I have ever seen start for Kansas. Yes that includes Eric Chenowith.

You are weird. KU basketball and MU football? that is the weirdest thing I have ever witnessed on this board.

Mr. Laz
12-06-2007, 10:22 AM
Posted on Wed, Dec. 05, 2007 10:15 PM

Kansas clobbers Eastern Washington

By J. BRADY McCOLLOUGH
The Kansas City Star

KU’s Darrell Arthur, who scored 15 points, put up a shot over Eastern

LAWRENCE | Bill Self must have been tired of it. The Kansas Jayhawks know their coach has had enough when he plays the ol’ treadmill card to get what he wants.

At Tuesday’s practice, Self challenged his guards to get the ball inside. If they didn’t, well, they would have plenty of time to think about it while burning away some carbs.

If nothing else, the No. 3 Jayhawks proved on Wednesday night that they can take a hint. KU big men Darrell Arthur and Darnell Jackson scored the Jayhawks’ first 15 points of the game in an 85-47 literal pounding of Eastern Washington.

Jackson finished with 17 — mostly from routine clean-up around the basket — and Arthur added 15 with a variety of post moves that showed off what the supremely-talented sophomore can do when he gets going early.

“Our main goal is to get Shady started,” Jackson said, using Arthur’s oft-used nickname. “We always say that in practice or in the locker room at halftime. We have to get the ball to him. The game is easier when we do that.”

Self had a simple message for the Jayhawks before their seemingly meaningless December game against the Eagles of the Big Sky Conference: Attack, attack, attack!

“We’ve emphasized it a lot,” Self said. “Mario (Chalmers) and Rod (Stewart) and Russell (Robinson) just started the game off by throwing inside and getting easy baskets. The next thing you know, Shady’s got his confidence, and we’re on our way.”

Arthur got his first bucket by spinning to the baseline for a layup. For his next trick, he pulled out the jump hook. Soon after, Arthur spun into the lane and hit a short jumper.

Please allow an interruption of this Arthur highlight reel to state that the Eastern Washington Eagles have six players in their nine-man rotation who had never played a Division I game before this year. The Eagles’ starting lineup features a 6-foot-4 power forward and 6-8 center. Their tallest player was 6 feet 9. But hey, Arthur wasn’t feeling bad about it, so why should you?

“We had a little more height,” Arthur said, “so we just took advantage.”

Sure did. The guards were having so much fun getting the ball to Arthur and Jackson that it seemed as if they didn’t want to shoot anymore at all. Through the first 4 minutes, only Chalmers of the KU guards had taken a shot, and it was a contested layup. Stewart ruined the post frenzy with a three-pointer that gave KU an 18-5 lead.

If the guards think that one night of devotion to the big men against a 3-7 team will free them from the treadmill, they’re greatly mistaken.

“We just started doing that here recently,” Self said. “That will be something that we’ll continue.”

That news should make Arthur and Jackson happy young men. Arthur is already averaging 14 points per game without the treadmill treatment.

And during his senior year, Jackson has certainly been no offensive slouch. He’s averaging 11.6 points per game.

But Jackson has a point when he says that Arthur gets it done a bit more poetically than he does.

“He can make so many moves down there,” Jackson said. “If someone is holding him one on one, he’s going to score.”

Jackson was told that it was he, not Arthur, who led the Jayhawks in scoring. Of course, he wanted no part of that information.

“Put all the pressure on Darrell,” he said, smiling. “I bring the energy, Shady brings the offense.”

@ Go to KansasCity.com for a photo gallery from Wednesday’s game.

Lzen
12-06-2007, 10:42 AM
I would not call Kaun KU's most complete big man. But anybody who does not think that he is an important contributor to this team must not have much basketball sense. You can tell he has improved. He is not a great offensive thread, but he is far from worst in the NCAA. That is asinine.

Lzen
12-06-2007, 10:45 AM
Shooting % in this case has nothing to do with total minutes played. You yourself said Kaun doesn't shoot much, of course he's more likely to have a higher shooting %

No what I see is a ****ing shit load of missed layups. It's like watching my 7yr old cousin play little league.

No one said you have to be a good shooter to be a good bigman down low offensively. Most centers aren't good shooters, but at this level, you for damn sure better be able to make it from inside a few feet most of the time. you could almost make an argument that he misses more from down there than he makes.

Are you really this dumb?

shooting %

Kaun - 80%

Lzen
12-06-2007, 10:47 AM
he's started more games then not

Self has taken Kaun out of the starting lineup because he feels that Kaun is not playing up to his potential, shooting percentage notwithstanding.

Lzen
12-06-2007, 10:53 AM
Back on the subject of Darnell Jackson. You gotta love that guy. He brings 100% effort every night. He may be a little less talented than other guys, but he's got heart and that makes up for less talent, IMO.

RockChalk
12-06-2007, 10:59 AM
Jackson is the smartest player on the team IMO

He knows exactly what to do out there on the court and doesn't play outside of his game

Ceej
12-06-2007, 11:07 AM
The one thing that bothers me most about DJack is his inability to - for whatever reasons is to dish the ball back outside if there's nothing for him down low.

However, he's improved considerably. He doesn't try to make something out of nothing much any more.

I used to not be able to stand the guy last year, this year he's going to be the X-factor and may or may not determine how late we play in the tournament.

Pablo
12-06-2007, 11:33 AM
Jackson is great..love the guy.

And for the MU fan hating on Kaun, you know for damn sure you'd take him in a heartbeat on your shit-squad.

Skip Towne
12-06-2007, 11:47 AM
I agree. His biggest problem is that he has hands of stone. You can't pass him the ball when he's on the move or he isn't gonna catch it.
Have you ever heard of the Bobby Knight rule: Never throw a long pass to anyone over 6'6".

Lzen
12-06-2007, 12:04 PM
Jackson is great..love the guy.

And for the MU fan hating on Kaun, you know for damn sure you'd take him in a heartbeat on your shit-squad.


FTR, CoMoChief claims to be a MU football fan and a KU basketball fan. :rolleyes: Kind of puts things into perspective.

Pablo
12-06-2007, 12:05 PM
FTR, CoMoChief claims to be a MU football fan and a KU basketball fan. :rolleyes: Kind of puts things into perspective.How's that even possible?

CoMoChief
12-06-2007, 12:22 PM
How's that even possible?
Grew up in KC metro area where it's pretty much 50-50 KU MU. Played bball most of my life studying the KU transition offense, went to the KU Team camps, met great KU legends, love Roy Williams as a coach, the history.....etc Whats there not to like about KU bball with the exeception of Sasha Kaun?

Now, MU football, I've liked since I really started to watch college football. I actually got into pro football long before I got into college football. Never really cared for KU football, but then again never really hated it either.

However I never really took in the whole KU MU rivalry outside of just bball. I will not root for MU basketball and it all starts with my hatred towards Norm Stewart, the Marty Schottenheimer of the NCAA, never could advance to a final four in one million years of coaching. He's the best mediocre coach in NCAA history. That's just how I grew up.

Then a decision was made to go to MU for school because it was the better school, better town, period. With the exception of the Phog, I absolutely hate the KU campus, and downtown Lawrence has nothing on downtown Columbia.

Hey Ive gotten a lot of shit for being a KU bball fan going to MU. still isn't gonna change who I root for though. When it comes to NCAA bball, I bleed crimson and blue.

bobbything
12-06-2007, 12:43 PM
Grew up in KC metro area where it's pretty much 50-50 KU MU. Played bball most of my life studying the KU transition offense, went to the KU Team camps, met great KU legends, love Roy Williams as a coach, the history.....etc Whats there not to like about KU bball with the exeception of Sasha Kaun?

Now, MU football, I've liked since I really started to watch college football. I actually got into pro football long before I got into college football. Never really cared for KU football, but then again never really hated it either.

However I never really took in the whole KU MU rivalry outside of just bball. I will not root for MU basketball and it all starts with my hatred towards Norm Stewart, the Marty Schottenheimer of the NCAA, never could advance to a final four in one million years of coaching. He's the best mediocre coach in NCAA history. That's just how I grew up.

Then a decision was made to go to MU for school because it was the better school, better town, period. With the exception of the Phog, I absolutely hate the KU campus, and downtown Lawrence has nothing on downtown Columbia.

Hey Ive gotten a lot of shit for being a KU bball fan going to MU. still isn't gonna change who I root for though. When it comes to NCAA bball, I bleed crimson and blue.
Well, this is a first.

RockChalk
12-06-2007, 02:23 PM
Hey Ive gotten a lot of shit for being a KU bball fan going to MU. still isn't gonna change who I root for though. When it comes to NCAA bball, I bleed crimson and blue.

i shit out black and gold

Silock
12-06-2007, 02:24 PM
i shit out black and gold

Perhaps you should see a doctor about that ;)

Braincase
12-06-2007, 02:32 PM
Jackson is the smartest player on the team IMO

He knows exactly what to do out there on the court and doesn't play outside of his game

He's the only guy getting an Engineering degree. My wife says she sees him frequently in Learned Hall.