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Count Alex's Wins
12-10-2007, 01:46 PM
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

*NERDGASM*

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6845/indianajonescrystalskulhz2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

talastan
12-10-2007, 01:48 PM
Right there with ya Goatse. Favorite Movie Series of all time!!

DMAC
12-10-2007, 01:52 PM
It's going to be great. I just know it is.

And just so you know, I said Phantom Menace was going to suck ass before it came out.

Hey, Clay, post as much insider links as you can for indy. Any trailers yet?

Gonzo
12-10-2007, 01:54 PM
SWEET...

Wonder if Connery is in this one.

kepp
12-10-2007, 01:57 PM
Nice. Count me in.

BigRedChief
12-10-2007, 01:58 PM
I like it that they have aged Indy 19 years so he's close to the same age an Harrison Ford.

Garcia Bronco
12-10-2007, 01:59 PM
hmmm....what year does it take place?

Before it went...

Temple of Doom
Lost Ark
Last Crusade

...in terms of time line

HolmeZz
12-10-2007, 02:02 PM
Never been into Indiana Jones, but I'll go see it because a chunk of it was shot in New Haven.

Frankie
12-10-2007, 02:02 PM
hmmm....what year does it take place?

Before it went...

Temple of Doom
Lost Ark
Last Crusade

...in terms of time line
1957

Count Alex's Wins
12-10-2007, 02:06 PM
HI-res!!!

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1281/indy1shttsrdrew72dpigx9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Official site online!

http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html

keg in kc
12-10-2007, 02:48 PM
One sec.

Sully
12-10-2007, 02:49 PM
I hope they didn't **** it up like Star Wars.

keg in kc
12-10-2007, 02:49 PM
And here it is...

InChiefsHell
12-10-2007, 02:55 PM
How old is Indy in this one...

Stinger
12-10-2007, 02:56 PM
R to the E to the P O S T

keg in kc
12-10-2007, 02:58 PM
R to the E to the P O S TThat's what I get for having gochiefs on ignore.

Nightwish
12-10-2007, 02:58 PM
SWEET...

Wonder if Connery is in this one.No. As I recall, he declined, due to health issues. I've been hearing about this one for several months. From what I gather, Indy isn't the main character in this one. Instead, he hands the hat off to his son, played by Shia LaBeouf. He will be to the new character, as Sean Connery was to Indy in Last Crusade. I'm not sure, though, whether Indy will just be a supporting character, of if they will be a shared lead, setting it up so that Shia (or whoever they cast for the role, if not Shia) has the full lead in the next one (if they continue the franchise beyond this film).

Count Alex's Wins
12-10-2007, 03:00 PM
Hi-res version in the Media Center Forum.

Sully
12-10-2007, 03:06 PM
Although the Indiana Jones franchise is one of my favorites, we'll see on December 21st if National Treasure has taken its place. The first one was GREAT with the history stuff, and if the second one is as good, well...

Deberg_1990
12-10-2007, 04:35 PM
How old is Indy in this one...

Heres a few tidbits:

When last we saw Indy, he was riding off into the sunset in 1989's The Last Crusade, set in 1938 near the start of World War II. The new movie, due this spring, is set at the height of the Cold War in 1957, so the character has aged in real time ó 19 years.


http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-12-09-indiana-jones_N.htm

Adept Havelock
12-10-2007, 04:53 PM
Although the Indiana Jones franchise is one of my favorites, we'll see on December 21st if National Treasure has taken its place. The first one was GREAT with the history stuff, and if the second one is as good, well...

I really enjoyed "National Treasure" as well. It was "Frank Capra" meets "Indiana Jones", a combo that worked very well for me.

talastan
12-10-2007, 04:54 PM
Although the Indiana Jones franchise is one of my favorites, we'll see on December 21st if National Treasure has taken its place. The first one was GREAT with the history stuff, and if the second one is as good, well...
National Treasure is good in its own right but it will never replace Indy..I believe that there is some short making of trailers at the offical website. I can't wait for this spring!!! High draft pick and Indiana Jones!! What a great couple of months..

BigMeatballDave
12-10-2007, 06:09 PM
Awesome!

Sully
12-10-2007, 06:48 PM
National Treasure is good in its own right but it will never replace Indy..I believe that there is some short making of trailers at the offical website. I can't wait for this spring!!! High draft pick and Indiana Jones!! What a great couple of months..
I probably worded it wrong by saying "replace."
The Indys are definitely classics.
I just remember getting the same type of feel from NT. I hope that holds up. I have a degree in history and plan to teach history (what football coach doesn't). So the more the merrier.

Chief Chief
12-10-2007, 07:15 PM
That poster looks like Indiana Jones meets Ghost Rider.

talastan
12-10-2007, 07:22 PM
I probably worded it wrong by saying "replace."
The Indys are definitely classics.
I just remember getting the same type of feel from NT. I hope that holds up. I have a degree in history and plan to teach history (what football coach doesn't). So the more the merrier.

It's cool Mr Sully. I agree NT defintely has classic potenial. I think this along with the Pirates trilogy has been some of the best that Disney has done in a LONG time...

irishjayhawk
12-10-2007, 07:27 PM
And here it is...

Definitely not the guy's best work. I personally don't like it. It's mediocre.

Though, for Indiana Jones and the Shittiest Movie Title Ever, it's okay.

Deberg_1990
12-10-2007, 07:39 PM
Definitely not the guy's best work. I personally don't like it. It's mediocre.

Though, for Indiana Jones and the Shittiest Movie Title Ever, it's okay.


The title and the poster fit right in with the rest of the series.

Whats the problem??

Thig Lyfe
12-10-2007, 07:39 PM
Heres a few tidbits:

When last we saw Indy, he was riding off into the sunset in 1989's The Last Crusade, set in 1938 near the start of World War II. The new movie, due this spring, is set at the height of the Cold War in 1957, so the character has aged in real time ó 19 years.


http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-12-09-indiana-jones_N.htm

Nice! Good thinking on their part.

cardken
12-10-2007, 07:44 PM
Heres a few tidbits:

When last we saw Indy, he was riding off into the sunset in 1989's The Last Crusade, set in 1938 near the start of World War II. The new movie, due this spring, is set at the height of the Cold War in 1957, so the character has aged in real time ó 19 years.


http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-12-09-indiana-jones_N.htm
Beats original premise Indiana Jones And The Search For A Plastic Hip. ROFL

Deberg_1990
12-10-2007, 07:46 PM
Here is an old (very cool) original poster from Temple of Doom.

Crystal Skull looks pretty faithful to me....

irishjayhawk
12-10-2007, 08:04 PM
The title and the poster fit right in with the rest of the series.

Whats the problem??

Well, I consider it a new series, but I guess that could be considered nit picking.

The title, well, just plain sucks. Period. Horrible.

irishjayhawk
12-10-2007, 08:09 PM
I'll go see it. But the poster isn't the best - as it should have been a new start for a new (potentially) series.

The title, on the other hand, is horrible. Seriously, how does that title get picked. I like Indiana and the Shittiest Title Ever.

Deberg_1990
12-10-2007, 08:44 PM
The title, well, just plain sucks. Period. Horrible.

Some fans forget that the Indy series is inspired by the cheesy B level Serials of the 30's and 40's.

greg63
12-10-2007, 08:51 PM
Let me guess: he saves the day buy retrieving a valuable artifact currently being sought out buy Hitler and the evil German regime while freeing captive children slaves and killing the bad guy and all his evil henchmen/women; getting the girl at the end.

irishjayhawk
12-10-2007, 09:00 PM
Some fans forget that the Indy series is inspired by the cheesy B level Serials of the 30's and 40's.

That doesn't mean the title has to suck. The other titles didn't suck.

Miles
12-10-2007, 09:39 PM
I'll go see it. But the poster isn't the best - as it should have been a new start for a new (potentially) series.

The title, on the other hand, is horrible. Seriously, how does that title get picked. I like Indiana and the Shittiest Title Ever.

It sounds like a Hardy Boys title or something.

Frazod
12-10-2007, 09:58 PM
I hope the next National Treasure is good. I noticed in the trailer that they filmed parts of it at Sylvan Lake and Mount Rushmore in the Black Hills.

As for the new Indiana Jones movie, shouldn't he be stooped over with a cane at this point? Maybe Skip can be his sidekick. :D

talastan
12-11-2007, 12:11 AM
:skip: "Dr Jones, Dr Jones, It's the Nazis!!!"

InChiefsHell
12-11-2007, 08:23 AM
I'm guessing it won't be Nazi's, it'll be Rooskies...

Count Alex's Wins
12-11-2007, 08:51 AM
I'm guessing it won't be Nazi's, it'll be Rooskies...

It's neither. This time it's the Americans.

DMAC
12-11-2007, 09:25 AM
I bet you will all like the title after you see it.

Frikkin nerds.

InChiefsHell
12-11-2007, 03:21 PM
It's neither. This time it's the Americans.

The Americans are the bad guys? **** this movie...

Deberg_1990
12-11-2007, 05:42 PM
It's neither. This time it's the Americans.


No, its the Russians. Go back and read the link to the USA today story i posted.

Count Alex's Wins
12-11-2007, 05:50 PM
No, its the Russians. Go back and read the link to the USA today story i posted.

If you go and look at the video that has a short clip of the film, American soldiers are holding Indy captive.

But I guess the Russians are in it, too.

Baby Lee
12-11-2007, 06:01 PM
You know how things you witness as a kid can inspire you for your life's vocation?
Well I was the dipshit at just the right age where I watched this [by which I mean RotLA] and declared to my parents I wanted to be an archeologist when I grew up.
Needless to say I wised up before settling in to a life of sifting dirt.

Cochise
12-11-2007, 06:04 PM
SWEET...

Wonder if Connery is in this one.

No.

Deberg_1990
12-11-2007, 07:09 PM
No.

Interesting bit of trivia.

Sean Connery is only 12 years older than Harrison Ford.

Nightwish
12-11-2007, 10:59 PM
You know how things you witness as a kid can inspire you for your life's vocation?
Well I was the dipshit at just the right age where I watched this [by which I mean RotLA] and declared to my parents I wanted to be an archeologist when I grew up.
Needless to say I wised up before settling in to a life of sifting dirt.That's one of those professions where maybe 1 out of a 1000 ever hits the jackpot. Still, though, I think it would be fun for awhile. Back when I was still going to UMSL, I remember helping out on a dig where they had discovered the remains of a 1500-year-old Mississippian village near the Meramec River, just off of Telegraph and I-255. It was a blast. Dirty and sweaty, but a lot of fun.

Deberg_1990
01-02-2008, 06:04 PM
Here the latest pic from the flick. and a nice inteview with Spielberg and Lucas about the making of it.

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/02/indianajones200802

Cate Blanchett as a Russian Baddie..

Tribal Warfare
01-02-2008, 06:10 PM
SWEET...

Wonder if Connery is in this one.

He said a few months ago he's retired

Chiefmanwillcatch
01-03-2008, 03:08 PM
Have any of you seen the other crappy Spielberg indi movies?

Why should I be excited ? HUH?

I can't understand you people that love every movie that comes out. I guess it's an internet thing. "i just saw this movie and it was cool !!!! Go see it!!! "......

Some of you just love the hype.

Last 'bourne' movie sucked. It was a fricking repeat of othe bourne movies: Almost the same plot but all the movie critics here loved it too..........shheeeesh.

DMAC
01-03-2008, 04:18 PM
Have any of you seen the other crappy Spielberg indi movies?

Why should I be excited ? HUH?

I can't understand you people that love every movie that comes out. I guess it's an internet thing. "i just saw this movie and it was cool !!!! Go see it!!! "......

Some of you just love the hype.

Last 'bourne' movie sucked. It was a fricking repeat of othe bourne movies: Almost the same plot but all the movie critics here loved it too..........shheeeesh.Wow, you should write for a living. That was elegantly put.

Crappy, sucked AND fricking in one post...that's talent.

Adept Havelock
01-03-2008, 04:36 PM
Have any of you seen the other crappy Spielberg indi movies?

Why should I be excited ? HUH?

I can't understand you people that love every movie that comes out. I guess it's an internet thing. "i just saw this movie and it was cool !!!! Go see it!!! "......

Some of you just love the hype.

Last 'bourne' movie sucked. It was a fricking repeat of othe bourne movies: Almost the same plot but all the movie critics here loved it too..........shheeeesh.

It's in the eye of the beholder.

Are the Indy movies great Art? Not to me, but I find them a fun way to pass a couple of hours.

It's all about perspective.

To some, your post might be the very essence of brilliant prose.

To me, it just proves you're just a pretentious cretin who is upset that some people like movies that you don't.

See...it's all about perspective. ;)


Crappy, sucked AND fricking in one post...that's talent.

ROFL

Pulitzer material, indeed.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-03-2008, 04:44 PM
I. Have. Never. Seen. An. Indiana. Jones. Movie.

Chiefmanwillcatch
01-03-2008, 08:25 PM
It's in the eye of the beholder.

Are the Indy movies great Art? Not to me, but I find them a fun way to pass a couple of hours.

It's all about perspective.

To some, your post might be the very essence of brilliant prose.

To me, it just proves you're just a pretentious cretin who is upset that some people like movies that you don't.

See...it's all about perspective. ;)



ROFL

Pulitzer material, indeed.


I like movies that aren't rehashed junk to get every dollar from your pocket like Indiana and Bourne movies.

Count Alex's Wins
01-03-2008, 08:26 PM
I. Have. Never. Seen. An. Indiana. Jones. Movie.

Please rectify this incredibly saddening situation.

DaneMcCloud
01-03-2008, 08:29 PM
I like movies that aren't rehashed junk to get every dollar from your pocket like Indiana and Bourne movies.

Me, too.

"Janine Loves Jenna" comes to mind.

Deberg_1990
01-03-2008, 08:33 PM
Are the Indy movies great Art?

Actually, IMHO, "Raider of the Lost Ark" was great art.

Its definately in my top 5 movies of the 80's and one of the best pure action films of all time.

The other two Indy films are fun, but nowhere on the level of Raiders.

Mr. Flopnuts
01-03-2008, 11:35 PM
Please rectify this incredibly saddening situation.


I really don't have a good reason for never seeing one. They looked interesting enough, I just don't watch many movies and haven't gotten around to doing it. I agree it's kind of retarded for someone my age particularly to have never watched it. I think I will before the new one comes out.

Guru
01-04-2008, 03:03 AM
I really don't have a good reason for never seeing one. They looked interesting enough, I just don't watch many movies and haven't gotten around to doing it. I agree it's kind of retarded for someone my age particularly to have never watched it. I think I will before the new one comes out.
You need to see Raiders and Last Crusade. You won't be disappointed.

DMAC
01-05-2008, 10:38 AM
When in the heck are they going to put out the trailer?

KcMizzou
01-05-2008, 11:47 AM
Have any of you seen the other crappy Spielberg indi movies?

Why should I be excited ? HUH?

I can't understand you people that love every movie that comes out. I guess it's an internet thing. "i just saw this movie and it was cool !!!! Go see it!!! "......

Some of you just love the hype.

Last 'bourne' movie sucked. It was a fricking repeat of othe bourne movies: Almost the same plot but all the movie critics here loved it too..........shheeeesh.That's better than the usual internet M.O., which is to claim to hate absolutely everything popular.

Go on yammering how everything's beneath you. Have fun with that life, you miserable, sad-sack bastard.

Bowser
01-05-2008, 02:22 PM
Have any of you seen the other crappy Spielberg indi movies?

Why should I be excited ? HUH?

I can't understand you people that love every movie that comes out. I guess it's an internet thing. "i just saw this movie and it was cool !!!! Go see it!!! "......

Some of you just love the hype.

Last 'bourne' movie sucked. It was a fricking repeat of othe bourne movies: Almost the same plot but all the movie critics here loved it too..........shheeeesh.

Go take a bath with a plugged in toaster. You'll be happier.

Frazod
01-05-2008, 03:20 PM
I. Have. Never. Seen. An. Indiana. Jones. Movie.

The first one and the third one are awesome. Easily worth renting. Don't bother with the second one, though - it sucks balls.

Deberg_1990
01-05-2008, 05:56 PM
Don't bother with the second one, though - it sucks balls.

No. Its not quite that bad. Here is my opinion:

Raiders: Classic. Not a single frame is wrong

Temple of Doom: Silly story and script. Action scenes are brutal and the best thing about the flick. (the movie that invented the PG-13 rating)


Last Crusade: Better than Temple, but still nowhere near as good as Raiders. Still highly entertaining though.

AZORChiefFan
01-15-2008, 07:56 PM
http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/newindy4picbig.jpg
new image.

AZORChiefFan
01-15-2008, 07:57 PM
When in the heck are they going to put out the trailer?
February dunno date too lazy to get that specific.

DMAC
01-15-2008, 08:00 PM
February dunno date too lazy to get that specific.
Super Bowl, I'm sure.

irishjayhawk
01-15-2008, 08:37 PM
Super Bowl, I'm sure.

Naw, they'll do it on one to promote another movie. Like Batman and the sucky am Legend.

Count Alex's Wins
01-15-2008, 08:39 PM
Doom is classic adventure pulp. It's straight out of 50s comics.

InChiefsHell
01-16-2008, 07:57 AM
Doom is classic adventure pulp. It's straight out of 50s comics.

Exactly, that's what my dad said about it. He loves the Indy movies, he says they are a throwback to the old serial adventures he saw as a kid.

Doom was only OK in my book. As soon as I saw the little kid, I knew it was in trouble...little kid side kicks = stupid.

Deberg_1990
02-02-2008, 06:17 PM
Some new pics!

Plus, the the first trailer is due in 2 weeks.

Frankie
02-03-2008, 01:53 AM
Some new pics!

Plus, the the first trailer is due in 2 weeks.
OMG, Indy is a geezer!!

Frankie
02-03-2008, 01:57 AM
The first one and the third one are awesome. Easily worth renting. Don't bother with the second one, though - it sucks balls.
I could't agree more. It was a total cartoon. I have the Indy box set. I wish someone would buy the second DVD off my hand. I don't know why they were never released individually, so I could buy only the 1st and the 3rd one.

Tribal Warfare
02-03-2008, 01:58 AM
OMG, Indy is a geezer!!


actually he doesn't look too bad compared to other 80's icons

keg in kc
02-04-2008, 11:29 PM
Is it just me, or does this look kind of...alien?

http://www.movieweb.com/news/01/26301.php

InChiefsHell
02-05-2008, 08:07 AM
Yep. Also kind of Iron Maiden-ey too...

Deberg_1990
03-30-2008, 09:11 PM
New TV spot is out. Not much new as far as I can tell except a nice Shia/Ford interaction in the beginning..

http://www.indianajones.com/site/ij4-hidef-480.php?tourPath=http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/indianajones/tv1/IJ_KOTCS_TV1_FREEDOM30_480p.mov

Guru
03-30-2008, 10:47 PM
Notice how they zoom out on the A in Indiana so it almost appears to be a 4.

Count Alex's Wins
05-15-2008, 10:37 AM
Just got the soundtrack and the new opening theme sounds better than ever. So glad they re-recorded this. AWESOME. You can really tell a difference between this and the one that's 20 years old.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/01%20Raiders%20March.mp3

irishjayhawk
05-15-2008, 10:59 AM
Just got the soundtrack and the new opening theme sounds better than ever. So glad they re-recorded this. AWESOME. You can really tell a difference between this and the one that's 20 years old.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/01%20Raiders%20March.mp3

Sounds too clean. I don't know how to describe it. It's been altered some what. The beginning has some background instruments that aren't as vivid as before.

I'm not sure this is a case where new is better.

Count Alex's Wins
05-15-2008, 11:02 AM
Sounds too clean. I don't know how to describe it. It's been altered some what. The beginning has some background instruments that aren't as vivid as before.

I'm not sure this is a case where new is better.

Eh, whatever. Listen to the old one if you like. I like this one as it was produced with superior technology. A good take on an old classic.

By the way, the second track "Call of the Crystal Skull," is absolutely amazing. John Williams at his finest.

Deberg_1990
05-15-2008, 11:40 AM
Sounds too clean. I don't know how to describe it. It's been altered some what. The beginning has some background instruments that aren't as vivid as before.

I'm not sure this is a case where new is better.

Still sounds good....but your right.

Sounds like Mr. Williams pulled a George Lucas( ala the original Star Wars) and tinkered a little too much with a good thing.

I wont complain too much. Its great to hear it again.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 11:14 AM
Eh, whatever. Listen to the old one if you like. I like this one as it was produced with superior technology. A good take on an old classic.

By the way, the second track "Call of the Crystal Skull," is absolutely amazing. John Williams at his finest.

can you put that up so I can get a listen. It's not on itunes so I can't preview.


On another note, I'd have to say my favorite Williams' scores have been:

1) Imperial March
2) Raiders Theme
3) ET Theme
4) Superman Theme

And for some reason on a different level, not necessarily favorite but I don't know what to call it:

Schindler's List Theme.


And for overall scores, I think Harry Potter showed his most complete work.

Baby Lee
05-16-2008, 12:36 PM
can you put that up so I can get a listen. It's not on itunes so I can't preview.


On another note, I'd have to say my favorite Williams' scores have been:

1) Imperial March
2) Raiders Theme
3) ET Theme
4) Superman Theme

And for some reason on a different level, not necessarily favorite but I don't know what to call it:

Schindler's List Theme.


And for overall scores, I think Harry Potter showed his most complete work.
Man, I'd put the throne room and end credits for SWIV above all of them, so triumphant and edifying. I even teared up a little when Family Guy parodied/recreated it.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 03:50 PM
Man, I'd put the throne room and end credits for SWIV above all of them, so triumphant and edifying. I even teared up a little when Family Guy parodied/recreated it.

Hmmm, valid point. I completely for got about that number.

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2008, 03:57 PM
can you put that up so I can get a listen. It's not on itunes so I can't preview.


On another note, I'd have to say my favorite Williams' scores have been:

1) Imperial March
2) Raiders Theme
3) ET Theme
4) Superman Theme

And for some reason on a different level, not necessarily favorite but I don't know what to call it:

Schindler's List Theme.


And for overall scores, I think Harry Potter showed his most complete work.

1) Imperial March
2) The Duel Begins (Darth Maul, Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan). Talk about epic!
3) Raiders Theme
4) Jaws
5) Close Encounters of the Third Kind

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 04:08 PM
1) Imperial March
2) The Duel Begins (Darth Maul, Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan). Talk about epic!
3) Raiders Theme
4) Jaws
5) Close Encounters of the Third Kind

For whatever reason, Jaws and his score, never did much for me. I always thought they were lame. :huh:

Deberg_1990
05-16-2008, 04:10 PM
For whatever reason, Jaws and his score, never did much for me. I always thought they were lame. :huh:

Wow....thats blasphemy....

Try watching and listening again..Just because its not Bombastic like his other scores doesnt mean its not good.


Nobody mentioned the Jurassic Park and Hook main themes. Those are pretty dang good too.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 04:11 PM
Wow....thats blasphemy....

Try watching and listening again..Just because its not Bombastic like his other scores doesnt mean its not good.


Nobody mentioned the Jurassic Park and Hook main themes. Those are pretty dang good too.

Totally forgot about Jurassic, but one of my faves.

I didn't saw Jaws score was bad, I just said it didn't do much for me. Along with the movie.

Deberg_1990
05-16-2008, 04:18 PM
. Along with the movie.

Really? wow.....its still one of my fave Spielberg flicks. Sure its dated, but it still holds up very well.

The Schnieder/Dreyfuss/Shaw trio was pure magic. You really dont see that kind of acting chemistry too much in mainstream movies anymore.

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2008, 05:40 PM
For whatever reason, Jaws and his score, never did much for me. I always thought they were lame. :huh:

No two notes are more identifiable with terror the world over than those composed by John Williams for Jaws.

That fact alone makes it one of the best movie scores of all time, regardless of the complexity of the musical composition.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 05:56 PM
No two notes are more identifiable with terror the world over than those composed by John Williams for Jaws.

That fact alone makes it one of the best movie scores of all time, regardless of the complexity of the musical composition.

Yeah, but that's like 30 seconds of the theme. The rest of it was just lame.

And, did you know, that Speilberg scoffed at the original Williams' score for Jaws. He laughed at it.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 05:57 PM
Really? wow.....its still one of my fave Spielberg flicks. Sure its dated, but it still holds up very well.

The Schnieder/Dreyfuss/Shaw trio was pure magic. You really dont see that kind of acting chemistry too much in mainstream movies anymore.

I should probably watch it again, truth be told.

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2008, 06:03 PM
Yeah, but that's like 30 seconds of the theme. The rest of it was just lame.

And, did you know, that Speilberg scoffed at the original Williams' score for Jaws. He laughed at it.

Yeah, in the beginning. He didn't get it.

But he later did.

And you can't argue with the fact that everyone the world over associates that theme with terror. It's one of the Top 5 most identifiable themes in movie history.

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 06:33 PM
can you put that up so I can get a listen. It's not on itunes so I can't preview.


Yeah I'll put it up.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 06:42 PM
Yeah, in the beginning. He didn't get it.

But he later did.

And you can't argue with the fact that everyone the world over associates that theme with terror. It's one of the Top 5 most identifiable themes in movie history.

I always thought Williams just redid it and came up with what it is now.

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 06:42 PM
Call of the Crystal Skull

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/02%20Call%20of%20The%20Crystal.mp3 (http://uranus.ckt.net/%7Egochiefs/02%20Call%20of%20The%20Crystal.mp3)

Also, Irina's theme is pretty good. I thought Williams did a great job of mixing in the sax on this one. Very fresh.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/04%20Irina%27s%20Theme.mp3 (http://uranus.ckt.net/%7Egochiefs/04%20Irina%27s%20Theme.mp3)

And this is a great one from the new movie, too. It's a reprisal of his nazi theme.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/13%20Indylast.mp3 (http://uranus.ckt.net/%7Egochiefs/13%20Indylast.mp3)

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 06:51 PM
Call of the Crystal Skull

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/02%20Call%20of%20The%20Crystal.mp3 (http://uranus.ckt.net/%7Egochiefs/02%20Call%20of%20The%20Crystal.mp3)

Also, Irina's theme is pretty good. I thought Williams did a great job of mixing in the sax on this one. Very fresh.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/04%20Irina%27s%20Theme.mp3 (http://uranus.ckt.net/%7Egochiefs/04%20Irina%27s%20Theme.mp3)

And this is a great one from the new movie, too. It's a reprisal of his nazi theme.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/13%20Indylast.mp3 (http://uranus.ckt.net/%7Egochiefs/13%20Indylast.mp3)

I didn't think it was Williams at his best, but that's me. And I didn't hear the Sax. I heard the trumpet, but no sax. Can you give a time marker?

Deberg_1990
05-16-2008, 06:51 PM
And this is a great one from the new movie, too. It's a reprisal of his nazi theme.

http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/13%20Indylast.mp3 (http://uranus.ckt.net/%7Egochiefs/13%20Indylast.mp3)


Ban him!!

Frazod
05-16-2008, 06:53 PM
Basil Poledouris' score from Conan the Barbarian blows away anything Williams ever did.

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 06:57 PM
Basil Poledouris' score from Conan the Barbarian blows away anything Williams ever did.

I wouldn't say that, and I actually like Poledouris' work (I have his extended soundtrack from Starship Troopers).

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 06:58 PM
I didn't think it was Williams at his best, but that's me. And I didn't hear the Sax. I heard the trumpet, but no sax. Can you give a time marker?

The sax is in the second one. Irina's theme.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 07:03 PM
The sax is in the second one. Irina's theme.

Where? I heard trumpet but no sax.

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2008, 07:07 PM
I didn't think it was Williams at his best, but that's me. And I didn't hear the Sax. I heard the trumpet, but no sax. Can you give a time marker?

It's very low in the mix. It's a baritone sax and about 40 seconds in, the French Horn takes over the melody.

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 07:08 PM
Where? I heard trumpet but no sax.

Put on some headphones.

You didn't like the second one? I mean, that's the best work in the new soundtrack. It gets repeated a lot in the other tracks.

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2008, 07:09 PM
I didn't think it was Williams at his best, but that's me. And I didn't hear the Sax. I heard the trumpet, but no sax. Can you give a time marker?

I don't know how you can possibly judge this Cue without seeing the narrative and how it pushes or pulls the scene.

Baby Lee
05-16-2008, 07:10 PM
Basil Poledouris' score from Conan the Barbarian blows away anything Williams ever did.

It we're talking about other composers, then we gotta bring in Morricone.
The Good the Bad and the Ugly is perhaps the best original score ever.
Once Upon a Time in America is a masterpiece as well.
The Mission, Days of Heaven, The Untouchables, L'Arena.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 07:10 PM
Put on some headphones.

You didn't like the second one? I mean, that's the best work in the new soundtrack. It gets repeated a lot in the other tracks.

I liked the second one better than the first, which you said earlier was Williams at his best.

Deberg_1990
05-16-2008, 07:18 PM
It we're talking about other composers, then we gotta bring in Morricone.
The Good the Bad and the Ugly is perhaps the best original score ever.
Once Upon a Time in America is a masterpiece as well.
The Mission, Days of Heaven, The Untouchables, L'Arena.

God, i love that Untouchables score. One of my all time faves.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 07:22 PM
I don't know how you can possibly judge this Cue without seeing the narrative and how it pushes or pulls the scene.

Because you judge it on a musical level....

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2008, 07:24 PM
Because you judge it on a musical level....

Yeah, I don't buy that.

It's a Cue, not an Opening or Closing Theme. Additionally, you haven't viewed the scene for which it was written and you don't know the narrative. For all you know, it may fit the scene perfectly nothing more "musically" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) is necessary.

And no, you don't "judge it on a musical level". You "judge it" by whether it helps the narrative.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 07:25 PM
Yeah, I don't buy that.

It's a Cue, not an Opening or Closing Theme. Additionally, you haven't viewed the scene for which it was written and you don't know the narrative. For all you know, it may fit the scene perfectly.

And I haven't said anything to the contrary. I just said it isn't Williams' best work.

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2008, 07:27 PM
And I haven't said anything to the contrary. I just said it isn't Williams' best work.

So you've cataloged and judged all of his other cues over the years?

Film cues and themes aren't supposed to be stand-alone music. Sometimes, in the case of the "Star Wars" Opening Theme or "Jaws" the "Rocky" theme, the music transcends the film.

But that is certainly not the intent of the producers, director or composer.

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 07:30 PM
I liked the second one better than the first, which you said earlier was Williams at his best.

Hmmm. To each his own.

I meant the second one I linked....the first being the main theme earlier in the thread.

Baby Lee
05-16-2008, 07:32 PM
Also, in a related tangent, was anyone else blown away by the score for Lost last night. That movement they were playing as the actors assumed their places on the 'chessboard' for the finale was as good as I can recall in made for TV fare.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 07:34 PM
Also, in a related tangent, was anyone else blown away by the score for Lost last night. That movement they were playing as the actors assumed their places on the 'chessboard' for the finale was as good as I can recall in made for TV fare.

Yeah, his score has been fantastic throughout. And the finale was what made the episode come out from pure suckage. And his music is the main reason.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 07:35 PM
Hmmm. To each his own.

I meant the second one I linked....the first being the main theme earlier in the thread.

Well, I was confused then when you said this:

By the way, the second track "Call of the Crystal Skull," is absolutely amazing. John Williams at his finest.


So, I'm sorry. I do like the second one better than "call".

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2008, 07:35 PM
Also, in a related tangent, was anyone else blown away by the score for Lost last night. That movement they were playing as the actors assumed their places on the 'chessboard' for the finale was as good as I can recall in made for TV fare.


Michael Giacchino is an extremely talented composer.

His work on the "Incredibles" is well, incredible.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 07:37 PM
So you've cataloged and judged all of his other cues over the years?

Film cues and themes aren't supposed to be stand-alone music. Sometimes, in the case of the "Star Wars" Opening Theme or "Jaws" the "Rocky" theme, the music transcends the film.

But that is certainly not the intent of the producers, director or composer.

I have a great many of his work. And I realize they aren't supposed to be "stand-alone music." And often times, the image makes the music that much better. I'll wait and see, as always, but from a pure musical standpoint, it's not as good as any of his others, in my opinion.

And it seems people are mixing up the song I do and don't care for and what I have and haven't said about.

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 07:38 PM
Michael Giacchino is an extremely talented composer.

His work on the "Incredibles" is well, incredible.

He did the "ROAR!" track from the end credits of Cloverfield. I wish they'd release it.

He's also replacing the legendary Jerry Goldsmith for Star Trek. We'll see how he does.

Deberg_1990
05-16-2008, 07:40 PM
Michael Giacchino is an extremely talented composer.

His work on the "Incredibles" is well, incredible.


I liked his MI3 score and he did a great job updating the original Speed Racer theme.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 07:42 PM
He did the "ROAR!" track from the end credits of Cloverfield. I wish they'd release it.

He's also replacing the legendary Jerry Goldsmith for Star Trek. We'll see how he does.

He and Abrams have a good working relationship. I'm betting it turns out like Speilberg and William's relationship. Both really dig working on eachother's work.

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2008, 07:47 PM
I have a great many of his work. And I realize they aren't supposed to be "stand-alone music." And often times, the image makes the music that much better. I'll wait and see, as always, but from a pure musical standpoint, it's not as good as any of his others, in my opinion.

And it seems people are mixing up the song I do and don't care for and what I have and haven't said about.

Here's the thing with film scoring: Every cue can't be "Great". If every cue were memorable and amazing, then it would take away from the Opening, Closing and Main Themes. It would also make for a cluster**** of a bed track.

Additionally, subtly is required to make some scenes push or pull. There needs to be a dynamic in the score so that certain scenes really POP and other scenes are are affected by the music but they're not in your face.

Regardless, this may or may not be among John Williams' best work (and I'm leaning towards not). His actual involvement has declined over the past decade and he was many "Ghost Writers" that do the actual composition (though he certainly has input).

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2008, 07:48 PM
He and Abrams have a good working relationship. I'm betting it turns out like Speilberg and William's relationship. Both really dig working on eachother's work.

It already is like that relationship.

Michael has scored everyone of J.J.'s productions and it will probably continue to do for the duration of their careers.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 07:54 PM
Here's the thing with film scoring: Every cue can't be "Great". If every cue were memorable and amazing, then it would take away from the Opening, Closing and Main Themes. It would also make for a cluster**** of a bed track.

Well, yeah, I know.

Additionally, subtly is required to make some scenes push or pull. There needs to be a dynamic in the score so that certain scenes really POP and other scenes are are affected by the music but they're not in your face.

This is why I liked Schindler's List.


Regardless, this may or may not be among John Williams' best work (and I'm leaning towards not). His actual involvement has declined over the past decade and he was many "Ghost Writers" that do the actual composition (though he certainly has input).

I'm sure he has ghost writers. He's got to be like 70 or 80.

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2008, 08:04 PM
Well, yeah, I know.



This is why I liked Schindler's List.



I'm sure he has ghost writers. He's got to be like 70 or 80.

Hans Zimmer does, too (and has for years).

Though all of Zimmer's work just sounds like a variation of "Gladiator". So lame.

Actually, I don't like any of his composers (the company is called Media Ventures). They all sound like a lame version of Hans Zimmer.

But I digress.

John Williams is 76.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 08:06 PM
Hans Zimmer does, too (and has for years).

Though all of Zimmer's work just sounds like a variation of "Gladiator". So lame.

Actually, I don't like any of his composers (the company is called Media Ventures). They all sound like a lame version of Hans Zimmer.

But I digress.

John Williams is 76.

Actually, I noticed that too. The only one that doesn't sound like Gladiator is The Rock, which predates it. So, yeah.

Pirates is a very, very obvious rip from Gladiator. Rip isn't the right word because it's his, but you get my drift.

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 08:07 PM
Hans Zimmer doesn't hold a candle to legends like Williams or Goldsmith. I heard all of his stuff is done on computers anyway. Dane?

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 08:08 PM
Hans Zimmer doesn't hold a candle to legends like Williams or Goldsmith. I heard all of his stuff is done on computers anyway. Dane?

Other than Rudy, what has he done?

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 08:09 PM
Other than Rudy, what has he done?

You must be joking.

Goldsmith was a master. I can't believe he's dead.

1950s


Black Patch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Patch) (1957)
Face of a Fugitive (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Face_of_a_Fugitive&action=edit&redlink=1) (1959)
City of Fear (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=City_of_Fear&action=edit&redlink=1) (1959)
The Twilight Zone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twilight_Zone) (1959)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jerry_Goldsmith&action=edit&section=13)] 1960s


Studs Lonigan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studs_Lonigan) (1960)
Adam Harding (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adam_Harding&action=edit&redlink=1) (1960)
The Spiral Road (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spiral_Road) (1962)
Lonely Are the Brave (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonely_Are_the_Brave) (1962)
Freud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freud_the_Secret_Passion) (1962)
The Prize (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prize_%28film%29) (1963)
The List of Adrian Messenger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_List_of_Adrian_Messenger) (1963)
The Stripper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stripper) (1963)
Take Her, She's Mine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Take_Her%2C_She%27s_Mine) (1963)
Lilies of the Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilies_of_the_Field) (1963)
A Gathering of Eagles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Gathering_of_Eagles) (1963)
Shock Treatment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_Treatment) (1964)
Rio Conchos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Conchos) (1964)
Seven Days in May (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_in_May) (1964)
Fate Is the Hunter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_Is_the_Hunter_%28film%29) (1964)
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_U.N.C.L.E.) (1964)
The Satan Bug (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satan_Bug) (1965)
Von Ryan's Express (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Ryan%27s_Express) (1965)
A Patch of Blue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Patch_of_Blue) (1965)
In Harm's Way (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Harm%27s_Way) (1965)
Morituri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morituri) (1965)
Stagecoach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stagecoach_%281966_film%29) (1966)
The Trouble with Angels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trouble_with_Angels) (1966)
Seconds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seconds_%28film%29) (1966)
The Sand Pebbles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sand_Pebbles_%28film%29) (1966)
To Trap a Spy (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=To_Trap_a_Spy&action=edit&redlink=1) (1966)
The Blue Max (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Max) (1966)
Our Man Flint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Man_Flint) (1966)
In Like Flint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Like_Flint) (1967)
The Flim-Flam Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flim-Flam_Man) (1967)
Warning Shot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warning_Shot) (1967)
Hour of the Gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hour_of_the_Gun) (1967)
Sebastian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_%281968_film%29) (1968)
The Detective (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Detective_%28film%29) (1968)
Planet of the Apes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Apes_%281968_film%29) (1968)
Bandolero! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandolero%21) (1968)
Justine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justine_%281969_film%29) (1969)
The Chairman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chairman) (1969)
The Illustrated Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illustrated_Man) (1969)
100 Rifles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Rifles) (1969)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jerry_Goldsmith&action=edit&section=14)] 1970s


The Travelling Executioner (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Travelling_Executioner&action=edit&redlink=1) (1970)
Tora! Tora! Tora! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tora%21_Tora%21_Tora%21) (1970)
The Ballad of Cable Hogue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ballad_of_Cable_Hogue) (1970)
Rio Lobo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Lobo) (1970)
Patton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patton_%28film%29) (1970)
Wild Rovers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Rovers) (1971)
The Mephisto Waltz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mephisto_Waltz_%28film%29) (1971)
The Last Run (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Last_Run&action=edit&redlink=1) (1971)
Escape from the Planet of the Apes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_the_Planet_of_the_Apes) (1971)
The Homecoming: A Christmas Story (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Homecoming:_A_Christmas_Story) (1971)
The Other (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Other) (1972)
Anna and the King (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_and_the_King_%28TV_series%29) (1972)
The Waltons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waltons) (1972)
Ace Eli and Rodger of the Skies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_Eli_and_Rodger_of_the_Skies) (1972)
Pursuit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pursuit) (1972)
The Red Pony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Pony) (1973)
Shamus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamus) (1973)
Police Story (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_Story) (1973)
One Little Indian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Little_Indian_%28film%29) (1973)
The Don is Dead (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Don_is_Dead&action=edit&redlink=1) (1973)
Papillon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papillon_%28film%29) (1973)
Hawkins on Murder (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hawkins_on_Murder&action=edit&redlink=1) (1973)
Barnaby Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnaby_Jones) (1973)
Winter Kill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_Kill) (1973)
A Tree Grows in Brooklyn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Tree_Grows_in_Brooklyn) (1974) tv series
Chinatown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown_%28film%29) (1974)
S*P*Y*S (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%2AP%2AY%2AS) (1974)
High Velocity (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=High_Velocity&action=edit&redlink=1) (1974)
QB VII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QB_VII) (1974) miniseries
Take a Hard Ride (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Take_a_Hard_Ride&action=edit&redlink=1) (1975)
A Girl Named Sooner (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A_Girl_Named_Sooner&action=edit&redlink=1) (1975)
Ransom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ransom_%281975_film%29) (1975)
Breakout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakout_%28film%29) (1975)
Babe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babe) (1975)
The Reincarnation of Peter Proud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reincarnation_of_Peter_Proud) (1975)
The Wind and the Lion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wind_and_the_Lion) (1975)
Breakheart Pass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakheart_Pass) (1976)
Logan's Run (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run_%281976_film%29) (1976)
The Omen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Omen) (1976)
Islands in the Stream (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islands_in_the_Stream_%28film%29&action=edit&redlink=1) (1976)
Twilight's Last Gleaming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight%27s_Last_Gleaming) (1977)
The Cassandra Crossing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cassandra_Crossing) (1977)
MacArthur (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacArthur_%28film%29) (1977)
Coma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coma_%28film%29) (1977)
Damnation Alley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnation_Alley_%28film%29) (1977)
Contract on Cherry Street (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_on_Cherry_Street) (1977)
Capricorn One (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricorn_One) (1978)
The Swarm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Swarm_%28film%29) (1978)
Damien: Omen II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damien:_Omen_II) (1978)
The Boys from Brazil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_from_Brazil_%28film%29) (1978)
Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_%28film%29) (1978)
The First Great Train Robbery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_Great_Train_Robbery) (1979)
Alien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_%28film%29) (1979)
Players (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Players_%28film%29&action=edit&redlink=1) (1979)
Star Trek: The Motion Picture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Motion_Picture) (1979)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jerry_Goldsmith&action=edit&section=15)] 1980s


Caboblanco (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caboblanco&action=edit&redlink=1) (1980)
Omen III: The Final Conflict (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omen_III:_The_Final_Conflict) (1981)
Masada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada_%28miniseries%29) (1981) miniseries
Inchon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inchon_%28film%29) (1981)
Outland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outland_%28film%29) (1981)
Night Crossing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Crossing) (1981)
Raggedy Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raggedy_Man) (1981)
The Salamander (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Salamander&action=edit&redlink=1) (1981)
The Challenge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Challenge_%281982_film%29) (1982)
Poltergeist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poltergeist_%28film%29) (1982)
The Secret of N.I.M.H. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_of_N.I.M.H.) (1982)
First Blood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Blood) (1982)
Psycho 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho_2) (1983)
Twilight Zone: The Movie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_Zone:_The_Movie) (1983)
Under Fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_Fire_%28film%29) (1983)
Gremlins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremlins) (1984)
Supergirl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergirl_%28film%29) (1984)
Runaway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_%281984_film%29) (1984)
Legend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_%28film%29) (1985)
Rambo: First Blood Part II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambo:_First_Blood_Part_II) (1985)
Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby:_Secret_of_the_Lost_Legend) (1985)
Explorers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explorers_%28film%29) (1985)
King Solomon's Mines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Solomon%27s_Mines_%281985_film%29) (1985)
Poltergeist II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poltergeist_II) (1986)
Amazing Stories (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazing_Stories) (1986)
Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link) (1986)
Lionheart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionheart) (1986)
Hoosiers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoosiers) (1986)
Extreme Prejudice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_Prejudice) (1987)
Innerspace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innerspace) (1987)
Rent-A-Cop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-A-Cop) (1988)
Rambo III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambo_III) (1988)
Criminal Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Law) (1988)
Alien Nation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Nation_%28film%29) (rejected) (1988)
The 'Burbs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_%27Burbs) (1989)
Leviathan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan) (1989)
Warlock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlock) (1989)
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_V:_The_Final_Frontier) (1989)
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jerry_Goldsmith&action=edit&section=16)] 1990s


The Russia House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Russia_House) (1990)
Gremlins 2: The New Batch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremlins_2:_The_New_Batch) (1990)
Total Recall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Recall) (1990)
H.E.L.P. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.E.L.P.) (1991)
Not Without My Daughter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Without_My_Daughter) (1991)
Sleeping with the Enemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleeping_with_the_Enemy_%281991_film%29) (1991)
Mom and Dad Save the World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mom_and_Dad_Save_the_World) (1991)
Medicine Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine_Man) (1991)
Basic Instinct (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Instinct) (1992)
Forever Young (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forever_Young) (1992)
Mr. Baseball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Baseball) (1992)
Matinee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matinee) (1992)
Gladiator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator_%281992_film%29) (rejected) (1992)
Hollister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollister) (1992)
Love Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love_Field_%28film%29) (1993)
The Vanishing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vanishing) (1993)
Dennis The Menace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_The_Menace) (1993)
Rudy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy) (1993)
Six Degrees of Separation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Separation) (1993)
Malice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malice) (1993)
Angie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angie) (1994)
Bad Girls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Girls) (1994)
The Shadow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow) (1994)
The River Wild (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_River_Wild) (1994)
I.Q. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.Q._%28film%29) (1994)
Congo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_%28film%29) (1995)
First Knight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Knight) (1995)
Star Trek: Voyager (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Voyager) (1995)
Powder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powder) (1995)
City Hall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Hall) (1995)
Executive Decision (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Decision) (1996)
Two Days in the Valley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Days_in_the_Valley) (rejected) (1996)
Chain Reaction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_Reaction_%28film%29) (1996)
Star Trek: First Contact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_First_Contact) (1996)
The Ghost and the Darkness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ghost_and_the_Darkness) (1996)
Fierce Creatures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fierce_Creatures) (1996)
Air Force One (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_One_%28film%29) (1997)
L.A. Confidential (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.A._Confidential_%28film%29) (1997)
The Edge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Edge_%28film%29) (1997)
Deep Rising (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Rising) (1998)
U.S. Marshals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Marshals) (1998)
Small Soldiers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Soldiers) (1998)
Mulan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulan) (1998)
Star Trek: Insurrection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Insurrection) (1998)
The Mummy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mummy_%281999_film%29) (1999)
The Haunting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Haunting) (1999)
The 13th Warrior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_13th_Warrior) (1999)<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference">[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Goldsmith#cite_note-2)</sup>
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jerry_Goldsmith&action=edit&section=17)] 2000s


Hollow Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Man) (2000)
Along Came a Spider (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Along_Came_a_Spider) (2001)
The Last Castle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Castle) (2001)
The Sum of All Fears (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sum_of_All_Fears_%28film%29) (2002)
Star Trek Nemesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_Nemesis) (2002)
Looney Tunes: Back in Action (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looney_Tunes:_Back_in_Action) (2003)

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 08:10 PM
King Solomon's Mines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Solomon%27s_Mines_%281985_film%29) (1985)Shitty movie. GREAT soundtrack. I had to find it through an obscure online company, but I love listening to it.

Hoosiers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoosiers) (1986)One of the best.

First Blood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Blood) (1982)
Rambo: First Blood Part II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambo:_First_Blood_Part_II) (1985)
Rambo III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambo_III) (1988)Absolutely love these.

Alien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_%28film%29) (1979)A classic.

Total Recall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Recall) (1990)Brilliant.

Medicine Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine_Man) (1991)Pretty good.

Gladiator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator_%281992_film%29) (rejected) (1992)I wonder what this sounded like.

The Shadow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow) (1994)Another shitty movie with a GREAT soundtrack.

First Knight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Knight) (1995)Best Arthurian soundtrack ever.

The Ghost and the Darkness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ghost_and_the_Darkness) (1996)This one was pretty good if I recall. Good movie, too.

The Mummy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mummy_%281999_film%29) (1999)Great stuff. Silvestri tried to top him for the sequel but didn't come close.


The 13th Warrior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_13th_Warrior) (1999)<sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference"></sup><sup id="cite_ref-2" class="reference">

Absolutely incredible score.
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And of course his Star Trek scores were AMAZING. :D

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 08:11 PM
I think L.A. Confidential and Rudy may be his best. But damn he has a lot of really crappy movies on there.

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2008, 08:16 PM
Hans Zimmer doesn't hold a candle to legends like Williams or Goldsmith. I heard all of his stuff is done on computers anyway. Dane?

Well like most composer, Zimmer orchestrates everything in his home studio using computer samplers or specific orchestral libraries (Vienna Symphony Cube is the most popular software sampler).

For "Gladiator", he used 12 instances of a program called GigaSampler and had just as many computers slaved together. His sequencing software was a program called Cubase VST 5.1 (this was in 1999 - He's a Nuendo user now).

But for the most part, every film and television show you see these days with a budget of less than $60 million dollars use software samplers and Orchestral VSTi's for scoring.

Zimmer is one of the only guys who doesn't go into a full recording facility to record an orchestra for every project.

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 08:16 PM
I think L.A. Confidential and Rudy may be his best. But damn he has a lot of really crappy movies on there.

Like I said, shitty movies with great soundtracks. It's pretty amazing. I haven't seen King Solomon's Mines in years but will listen to the soundtrack any day.

Baby Lee
05-16-2008, 08:19 PM
I think L.A. Confidential and Rudy may be his best. But damn he has a lot of really crappy movies on there.

Don't forget The Omen.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-16-2008, 08:38 PM
http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20080516/121095996000.html

What's Indy up to? Secrecy shrouds `Crystal Skull'
Friday May 16 10:46 AM ET

Indiana Jones doesn't give up his secrets lightly, and neither does the man pulling his strings.

Director Steven Spielberg has tried to keep chapter four of the archaeologist's big-screen adventures, "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull," under wraps as tight as an ancient mummy's.

The stealth approach has whipped up a frenzy of expectation and doubts about the movie's quality as he prepares to unveil it in front of the world's toughest audience, critics at the Cannes Film Festival. The film premieres here Sunday, just four days before it opens in theaters worldwide.

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In an era of Internet spoilers, fan blogging and online video diaries where filmmakers show off their tricks, Indy returns with the old-fashioned covertness Spielberg always has favored.

"He is the only one in the world who keeps his cards face down on the table until the 11th hour, 59th minute, 59th second, and nothing deters him from doing that," said Jeffrey Katzenberg, Spielberg's partner at DreamWorks.

Revealing their cards at Cannes, with its notoriously snooty press corps, is a critical risk for Spielberg, executive producer George Lucas and star Harrison Ford.

Hollywood trade paper Variety quipped that Indiana Jones was entering the "Kingdom of the Critical Knives," and reporters have joked that Cannes might prove a new Temple of Doom for Indy.

Two years ago, the first press screening of "The Da Vinci Code" drew open laughter from Cannes critics, whose harsh reviews spoiled the film's premiere a day later and set the stage for a worldwide critical drubbing.

Of course, "The Da Vinci Code" went on to gross $758 million globally. As the first movie in 19 years for one of cinema's biggest adventure series, "Crystal Skull" is virtually assured of blockbuster results, too.

Possibly to shield "Crystal Skull" from a similar critical backlash, Spielberg, Lucas and distributor Paramount weren't letting critics see the movie until hours before its Cannes premiere.

In an unusual move, the few cast and crew interviews at Cannes were scheduled Saturday, before reporters had even seen the film. The movie's profile is so high, the filmmakers figure it doesn't need the usual publicity.

Spielberg has been hush-hush from the start. Co-star Karen Allen, reprising her "Raiders of the Lost Ark" role as Indy's old flame Marion Ravenwood, said Spielberg initially wanted to keep it a secret that she was even in "Crystal Skull."

"Even after the film was announced, people would call me. `Oh, it's too bad you're not going to be in the film,'" Allen said. "I had to go along with it and say, `Yeah, it's a shame.' When it was finally announced I was in it, it was a huge relief. I was having to make up stories for why I wasn't in it, and I was finding it excruciating to have to do that."

In its earliest incarnation, Lucas proposed an all-out alien flick called "Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men From Mars." Spielberg and Ford didn't like that idea, and it took more than a decade of wrangling to come up with a story all three could live with.

A trailer showing a crate marked "Roswell, New Mexico, 1947" a mecca for UFO buffs hints that the movie retains traces of its extraterrestrial origins. Remarks by Lucas that the new film took its cue from 1950s sci-fi tales backs up that notion.

"The B-movies of the '50s were crazy science-fiction films, `It Came From Outer Space' and `Them!' and I said, `Well, gee, I could use that as the basis of the genre that I was using as my reference,'" Lucas said.

From the trailers and studio press materials, the basic story line is out there Indy and Soviet agents led by Cate Blanchett pursue a crystal skull that can bestow fantastic power on those returning it to a city of solid gold in the Amazon from where it was stolen.

Secrets remain, such as how Indy and Marion are reunited and whether co-star Shia LaBeouf is playing the love child of their "Raiders" romance.

Spielberg was incensed last year when an extra leaked plot details, and the filmmakers have scrambled to maintain the mystery.

"It's been insane," said Frank Marshall, producer on the "Indiana Jones" movies. "I've spent a great deal of time on this movie just trying to keep things off the Internet. That's totally new for us. There seems to be some kind of sport out there now to see who can put up a spoiler, which is not fair to the audience. We really tried to keep the lid on the story just for the audience's sake."

Accustomed to fan gripes from his "Star Wars" prequels, Lucas has downplayed expectations for "Crystal Skull," saying audiences will be disappointed if they're anticipating a cinematic Second Coming.

Such remarks could just be part of Lucas and Spielberg's strategy to keep fans guessing.

"There's a little P.T. Barnum in both of them. They know how to get you interested," said "Crystal Skull" screenwriter David Koepp. "There's nothing more interesting than saying, `You can't see what's under here. I'd love to show you what's behind there, but I just can't.'"

Even a short behind-the-scenes segment on the official "Indiana Jones" Web site doesn't show much from behind the scenes. It focuses mainly on Spielberg in generic filmmaking mode, revealing virtually nothing about the action, ending with a close-up of Spielberg finishing a shot.

"And cut," Spielberg says. "Very nice."

The tough crowd at Cannes will have something to say about that Sunday.

Deberg_1990
05-16-2008, 08:51 PM
Pirates is a very, very obvious rip from Gladiator. Rip isn't the right word because it's his, but you get my drift.

Actually Klaus Badelt did the original Pirates of the Caribbean score which was alot better than the sequels. Im not sure why he didnt return?

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 08:55 PM
Actually Klaus Badelt did the original Pirates of the Caribbean score which was alot better than the sequels. Im not sure why he didnt return?

Because he was one of those "Ghost" writers. They get credit on the risky projects but when they boom - you hear daddy calling.

Klaus actually has talent but you'll notice his scores have been for low budget, risky pictures. Pirates 1 (best one, fortunately) and Equilibrium.

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 08:55 PM
Actually Klaus Badelt did the original Pirates of the Caribbean score which was alot better than the sequels. Im not sure why he didnt return?

Klaus Badelt is one of Hans Zimmer's underlings at Media Ventures.

Deberg_1990
05-16-2008, 08:57 PM
Because he was one of those "Ghost" writers. They get credit on the risky projects but when they boom - you hear daddy calling.

Klaus actually has talent but you'll notice his scores have been for low budget, risky pictures. Pirates 1 (best one, fortunately) and Equilibrium.


ahh....very interesting..thanks. Yea, people forget that the Original PoTC was pretty risky at the time.

A Pirate movie??
Johnny Depp as a lead??

DaneMcCloud
05-16-2008, 09:11 PM
ahh....very interesting..thanks. Yea, people forget that the Original PoTC was pretty risky at the time.

A Pirate movie??
Johnny Depp as a lead??

I don't even know how they advertise those movies as "Starring" Johnny Depp.

He's been a tertiary character the past two movies.

Deberg_1990
05-16-2008, 09:16 PM
I don't even know how they advertise those movies as "Starring" Johnny Depp.

He's been a tertiary character the past two movies.

Yea...i loathe the 2 sequels.

Bloated and convoluted.

Bigger is not better.

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 09:17 PM
Yea...i loathe the 2 sequels.

Bloated and convoluted.

Bigger is not better.

That's exactly why I hated the idea of "Saucer Men from Mars." Huge, epic battles do not fit in Indiana Jones.

Deberg_1990
05-16-2008, 09:26 PM
That's exactly why I hated the idea of "Saucer Men from Mars." Huge, epic battles do not fit in Indiana Jones.

I trust Spielberg. Hes fairly old fashioned by todays filmaking standards. Which is a good thing.

Count Alex's Wins
05-16-2008, 09:36 PM
I trust Spielberg. Hes fairly old fashioned by todays filmaking standards. Which is a good thing.

Very little CGI in Indy IV.

irishjayhawk
05-16-2008, 09:53 PM
Speaking of Giacchino's score for last night's LOST, I just realized while listening to his scores of the past 2 seasons, that last night's version was just a slightly altered version from season 1.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4j8SJQ6kr9E

However, the music is much more profound with last night's video.

keg in kc
05-17-2008, 07:58 PM
Not sure how I feel about this:

Lucas: 'Indy 5' a Possibility (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356282,00.html)

George Lucas tells me itís more than a strong possibility there will be a fifth "Indiana Jones." He says that he and director Steven Spielberg have left the door open for a sequel to "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull."

Lucas, looking dandy with slicked-back gray and white hair in a snappy tuxedo, was a guest Thursday night at Paramount/DreamWorksís party for "Kung Fu Panda" at the 61st Cannes Film Festival.

The swell event was set up on the pier across from the Carlton Hotel, where the studio spared no expense recreating sets and treating guests to haute Chinese cuisine. There was even one of the 40 pandas from the publicity stunt the day before, dancing in the crowd to Carl Carltonís old hit "Kung Fu Fighting."

Lucas had a lot to say about the new "Indy" and its future.

"I havenít even told Steven or Harrison this," he said. "But I have an idea to make Shia [LeBeouf] the lead character next time and have Harrison [Ford] come back like Sean Connery did in the last movie. I can see it working out.

"And itís not like Harrison is even old. I mean, heís 65 and he did everything in this movie. The old chemistry is there, and itís not like heís an old man. Heís incredibly agile; he looks even better than he did 20 years ago, if you ask me."

Lucas says heís not concerned about early mixed buzz on "Crystal Skull."

"This movie is the exact same experience as the other three were. The difference is, the novelty of discovery is gone. I get worried when I hear fans say theyíre expecting something different that will change their lives. This is 'Indiana Jones' just as you remember him."

But thatís exactly the gamble Spielberg and Lucas took with reviving their icon. Expectation grows into a frenzy and then no one in that frame of mind can be satisfied.

You already can see this with "Sex and the City: The Movie" and it hasn't even opened everywhere. Fans and even some critics want some transcendent experience. They almost seem upset that all they got was Ö "Sex and the City."

Lucas has been here before, when he revived and extended the "Star Wars" series. The build-up to the release of the fourth installment (aka now Chapter 1), "Phantom Menace," was huge until it reached a fever pitch. Then, almost before it could be absorbed, "Phantom Menace" became the target of scorn from fanatics. Computer-generated character Jar Jar Binks was public enemy No. 1.

But "Star Wars" continues to thrive. In August, Lucas says, heís releasing an animated 90-minute "Star Wars" movie to theaters via Warner Bros. called "Clone Wars." It will be followed in September by an animated series on the Cartoon Network and TNT.

"No one wanted it," he told me. "Every studio rejected it, including Fox, and Iím very loyal to them. They have right of first refusal. Eventually I brought it to Warners. Itís the first time that three components of the studio have acted together. Itís very exciting.

"But the story is that everyone said, 'No one gets this. Itís just Ö 'Star Wars.'' I said, 'Thatís right, Itís just 'Star Wars.' Just like this is Ö 'Indiana Jones.''"

Oh, yes, and by the way: If "Crystal Skull" breaks records when it opens on May 22, Lucas could wind up having his name on a fourth title in the all-time box office top 10 (it would be Spielbergís second).

"But these movies ó the 'Indiana Jones' ones ó were never big hits right away. They were always slow starters that built up to big numbers," Lucas insisted.

I donít think that will be the case with this one. And the notion that a sequel already is playing around in his head should only fuel the heady numbers about to be posted.

Deberg_1990
05-17-2008, 10:15 PM
Not sure how I feel about this:

I dont.

Its probably just Lucas talking out his a$$...(BTW, where are those low budget Indie flicks you promised after Star Wars George???)

Anyhow, nobody is going to except anyone but Harrison Ford playing Indiana Jones or any character similiar to that.



Except maybe Tom Selleck...... :)

Deberg_1990
05-17-2008, 10:44 PM
WTF does this mean?? They all opened huge by 1980's standards. Movies played alot longer in theaters in those days as well.



"But these movies — the 'Indiana Jones' ones — were never big hits right away. They were always slow starters that built up to big numbers," Lucas insisted"

DaneMcCloud
05-18-2008, 02:05 AM
I trust Spielberg. Hes fairly old fashioned by todays filmaking standards. Which is a good thing.

I don't.

He's made two great movies in the past 19 years (Private Ryan & Schindler's List), a couple of "okay" movies and a bunch of crap ("Always", "Hook", "A.I.", The Terminal").

Jurassic Park wasn't bad per se, but without George's help, who knows how it would have been (Lucas "Ghost" edited the film plus oversaw all the effects at ILM). Clearly, Jurassic Park II was a major disappointment (as a movie, anyway). And Joe Johnson directed a far superior sequel in "Jurassic Park III".

People slam Lucas all the time for the Prequels but fail to realize that Spielberg's directed a lot of crap in the past 25 years.

Count Alex's Wins
05-18-2008, 02:12 AM
I had no idea George edited JP. Cool.

Deberg_1990
05-18-2008, 02:22 AM
I don't.

He's made two great movies in the past 19 years (Private Ryan & Schindler's List), a couple of "okay" movies and a bunch of crap ("Always", "Hook", "A.I.", The Terminal").

.


We will have to agree to disagree.

I loved

Munich (2005)
War of the Worlds (2005)
The Terminal (2004)
Catch Me If You Can (2002)
Minority Report
Saving Private Ryan (1998)
Schindler's List (1993)
Always


Everything else i will agree was ordinary or crap. Jurassic Park the first movie had a couple of great thrill scenes but thats about it.

DaneMcCloud
05-18-2008, 03:02 AM
We will have to agree to disagree.

I loved

Munich (2005)
War of the Worlds (2005)
The Terminal (2004)
Catch Me If You Can (2002)
Minority Report
Saving Private Ryan (1998)
Schindler's List (1993)
Always


Everything else i will agree was ordinary or crap. Jurassic Park the first movie had a couple of great thrill scenes but thats about it.

Munich, War of the Worlds, The Terminal, Catch Me If You Can and Minority Report are all average at best. Just about any major director could have directed these films and achieved the same results.

None of those movies are in the same category as Jaws, Close Encounters, Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan.

And while you may have "loved" those film, in no way, shape or form are they exceptional cinema.

They're all average, at best.

irishjayhawk
05-18-2008, 06:42 PM
Munich, War of the Worlds, The Terminal, Catch Me If You Can and Minority Report are all average at best. Just about any major director could have directed these films and achieved the same results.

None of those movies are in the same category as Jaws, Close Encounters, Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan.

And while you may have "loved" those film, in no way, shape or form are they exceptional cinema.

They're all average, at best.

I don't know about Munich. I agree with the rest. War of the Worlds sucked major ass. The Terminal was boring. Minority report was mediocre at best. But Catch Me If You Can I chalk up to the cast. I agree that any major director probably could have done the same thing.

irishjayhawk
05-18-2008, 06:44 PM
I don't.

He's made two great movies in the past 19 years (Private Ryan & Schindler's List), a couple of "okay" movies and a bunch of crap ("Always", "Hook", "A.I.", The Terminal").

Jurassic Park wasn't bad per se, but without George's help, who knows how it would have been (Lucas "Ghost" edited the film plus oversaw all the effects at ILM). Clearly, Jurassic Park II was a major disappointment (as a movie, anyway). And Joe Johnson directed a far superior sequel in "Jurassic Park III".

People slam Lucas all the time for the Prequels but fail to realize that Spielberg's directed a lot of crap in the past 25 years.

I disagree whole heartedly on that. II was much better than III. III was garbage.

DaneMcCloud
05-18-2008, 06:52 PM
I disagree whole heartedly on that. II was much better than III. III was garbage.

Not a fan of JPIII?

I rather enjoyed it myself and liked the pacing. The scenes in the birdcage were awesome.

But to each, his own. Neither movie (JPII or JPIII) are exceptional cinema.

irishjayhawk
05-18-2008, 07:16 PM
I don't know about Munich. I agree with the rest. War of the Worlds sucked major ass. The Terminal was boring. Minority report was mediocre at best. But Catch Me If You Can I chalk up to the cast. I agree that any major director probably could have done the same thing.

That was confusing. I don't know about Munich being in the group you qualified. I do think it was better cinema than the rest.



And yeah, II and III were sucky. The original was phenomenal, for its time.

Fire Me Boy!
05-18-2008, 08:04 PM
KEEP FUGGIN' DOUBTING THE TANGERINE DREAM!!!1ONE1!!1!

Lzen
05-19-2008, 03:35 PM
In its earliest incarnation, Lucas proposed an all-out alien flick called "Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men From Mars." Spielberg and Ford didn't like that idea, and it took more than a decade of wrangling to come up with a story all three could live with.

WTH? Has Lucas lost his mind?

Bowser
05-19-2008, 04:04 PM
WTH? Has Lucas lost his mind?

Most likely.

keg in kc
05-19-2008, 05:21 PM
Reading a lot of reviews this week. All of them seem to be what I'd term as 'cautiously positive'. Along the lines of "it feels like an Indy film, and there are some great moments, but...".

DaneMcCloud
05-19-2008, 05:22 PM
Reading a lot of reviews this week. All of them seem to be what I'd term as 'cautiously positive'. Along the lines of "it feels like an Indy film, and there are some great moments, but...".

As long as "it feels like an Indy film", I'm good with that.

I wasn't expecting them to reinvent the wheel, I was just hoping they wouldn't screw the pooch.

veist
05-19-2008, 09:12 PM
Reading a lot of reviews this week. All of them seem to be what I'd term as 'cautiously positive'. Along the lines of "it feels like an Indy film, and there are some great moments, but...".

Just got back from seeing it, this is entirely accurate. Its basically a decent movie in spite of being hampered with a just plain goofy premise.

keg in kc
05-19-2008, 09:33 PM
As long as "it feels like an Indy film", I'm good with that.

I wasn't expecting them to reinvent the wheel, I was just hoping they wouldn't screw the pooch.Yeah.

I think people want Raiders all over, and that just isn't going to happen.

Count Alex's Wins
05-19-2008, 11:02 PM
Yeah.

I think people want Raiders all over, and that just isn't going to happen.

I loved Temple of Doom. I'd be thrilled if it's as good as ToD.

Deberg_1990
05-19-2008, 11:06 PM
Yeah.

I think people want Raiders all over, and that just isn't going to happen.

True. Nothing they do will ever top that.

This will probably have a feeling closer to Last Crusade more than anything. Which has its problems, but still is fun.

irishjayhawk
05-19-2008, 11:39 PM
Yeah.

I think people want Raiders all over, and that just isn't going to happen.

Every review has touched on the fact that you cannot rank this film with the other ones nor can you really compare them. Naturally, everyone will.

I just think it reeks of a money grab, obviously. But more importantly, the trailer seems to indicate a bored director and subpar storyline. As well as the "he got older" slapstick comedy. It's going to try to BE funny like the other ones. It's going to go out of its way to be funny. And that, I think, is where it's epic failure lies.

But, as always, I'm awaiting Wednesday afternoon.

Fire Me Boy!
05-20-2008, 06:56 AM
I loved Temple of Doom. I'd be thrilled if it's as good as ToD.

Yet more proof you have low standards.

Deberg_1990
05-20-2008, 08:32 AM
Yet more proof you have low standards.


I like it too. Sure part of it are goofy, but its still pretty good. Its Indiana Jones!

Its also kind of dark and brutal, which is cool. I seriously doubt they go that route much in this new one.

Count Alex's Wins
05-20-2008, 09:54 AM
Yet more proof you have low standards.

It's not my favorite of the series by any means, but I enjoy the hell out of it. I love all of it's goofy parts. I adore the opening scene in the nightclub. And the Pankot dinner scene? EPIC.

Water! Water! Water!

...

WATER!

ZootedGranny
05-20-2008, 10:39 AM
Review from a poster on another board whose opinions on films I respect:

Anyway, I saw this yesterday.

Was it fun to watch? Overall, yes.

Does it compare to RAIDERS? No way.

Is is a total embarassment to the franchise? Not in my opinion.

Star Wars Eps 1-3 were total shit to me and I guess most people here. With that as a point of comparison, the new Indy felt like a better attempt; it's maybe a little "cuter" than the first 3 -- with a few adorable animal moments that made me roll my eyes and a fair amount of CGI -- but far less of both than the newer Star Wars movies.

I think it's basically inevitable that this movie will pale in comparison to the first few because most of us saw those movies as kids. RAIDERS is an undeniable classic to audiences of all ages, with at least a dozen iconic, unforgetable, and much-imitated scenes. I count at best one scene in this new sequel that could be considered anything close that memorable, and probably not even that one. But when I think about it, if I saw the 2nd and 3rd Indy movies as an adult, would I consider them classics? Probably not.

I would rate this the least interesting of the 4, but I would expect kids and teenagers right now to love it; whether people in their 20s and 30s will accept it as a worthy addition to the earlier movies they grew up loving as kids is another question -- and probably too much to expect of any sequel that comes 20+ years later, especially one from the increasingly geriatric Spielberg/Lucas crew.

The plot is interesting enough, bringing together a few intriguing aspects of late 1950s America in a fun way. The main problem for me was that most of the characters other than Indy sucked, feeling very sketchy and cheesy and some good actors are basically wasted. John Hurt's character is ridiculously bad and Shia LaBouef or whatever his name is no River Phoenix. Oh, and it's a sausage party from start to finish... they don't even try to have anything remotely sexy in this movie; Indiana Jones in 2008 is definitely an action hero for the erectile disfunction set.

The new Star Wars films relied on CGI way too much, aimed the films at kids way too much, took liberties with the tone of the previous films way too much, etc etc. To me, the Phantom Menace felt as different from Star Wars "IV" as Star Trek does. This is a more conservative and consistent film that builds on what's already there in small but acceptable ways, and so it avoids crashing and burning the way the new SW trilogy did.

My take is: in not trying to be anything other than another decent installment in the franchise it succeeds mildly.

3.25/5

Deberg_1990
05-20-2008, 11:32 AM
Review from a poster on another board whose opinions on films I respect:


That review brought up a few good points ive thought about before.

Will the younger generation (those aged 13-25) which are HUGE part of the potential box office show up and support a new Indy?? Do they even know who Indy is or care? Or do they view Indy as something their Dad and Grandpa liked?? Something old fashioned.

Fairplay
05-20-2008, 11:57 AM
Oh, and it's a sausage party from start to finish... they don't even try to have anything remotely sexy in this movie;



With that comment Goatse will be there in the first row with a trench coat on.

Count Alex's Wins
05-20-2008, 10:49 PM
That review brought up a few good points ive thought about before.

Will the younger generation (those aged 13-25) which are HUGE part of the potential box office show up and support a new Indy?? Do they even know who Indy is or care? Or do they view Indy as something their Dad and Grandpa liked?? Something old fashioned.

I think your age bracket is off by about five years. I'd put the cutoff at 20.

AZORChiefFan
05-21-2008, 12:42 AM
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Chiefs Pantalones
05-21-2008, 01:11 AM
I saw this tonight, I loved it!!!

I'm easily entertained though, so don't take my word for it, see it yourselves homies!

Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2008, 01:24 AM
I saw this tonight, I loved it!!!

I'm easily entertained though, so don't take my word for it, see it yourselves homies!

How the **** are people seeing this movie early?

t-minus 23 hours...

Chiefs Pantalones
05-21-2008, 01:39 AM
How the **** are people seeing this movie early?

t-minus 23 hours...

In my next post, I will be describing the ending to the very little details.

I'm a broadcasting major, so I'm pretty good at being concise. It won't take much of your time...

Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2008, 01:43 AM
Use spoiler tags, asshole.

like this

Chiefs Pantalones
05-21-2008, 01:44 AM
Use spoiler tags, asshole.

like this

LOL I'm kidding. I wouldn't do that. That would be a dick move, I'm not that mean lol.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-21-2008, 01:46 AM
Really though, I loved it. Fun flick with lots of action! The only thing old about Harrison is his hair, he does the job in this one too. Lebouf is a good actor too and served his purpose.

Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2008, 01:48 AM
What previews did you get?

Chiefs Pantalones
05-21-2008, 01:52 AM
What previews did you get?

It was illegal. They got the movie in today at AMC and went to the "after hours" showing. hehe it helps to know people.

Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2008, 01:53 AM
It was illegal. They got the movie in today at AMC and went to the "after hours" showing. hehe it helps to know people.

That's cool. I'd still rather see it with a big crowd. I'm stupid that way.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-21-2008, 01:56 AM
That's cool. I'd still rather see it with a big crowd. I'm stupid that way.

Oh me too. I just couldn't wait! I'll go see it again because 1. I feel guilty ill pay this time, 2. i have some friends that haven't seen it yet obviously. 3. and the atmosphere. I agree it wasn't the same as it normally is.

Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2008, 02:01 AM
Question for you - did they blare the main theme at the beginning? Because that's not how the other movies opened.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-21-2008, 02:07 AM
Question for you - did they blare the main theme at the beginning? Because that's not how the other movies opened.

Answer for you- You have 22 more hours left. You'll see. :)

Deberg_1990
05-21-2008, 08:28 AM
Question for you - did they blare the main theme at the beginning? Because that's not how the other movies opened.

Why would they do that?? I doubt they do that here.

Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2008, 08:28 AM
Why would they do that?? I doubt they do that here.

I know. Just something I have feared.

irishjayhawk
05-21-2008, 09:50 AM
It was illegal. They got the movie in today at AMC and went to the "after hours" showing. hehe it helps to know people.

Damn, my theater didn't get it apparently. :(


Out of curiosity, which one do you know people at?

irishjayhawk
05-21-2008, 02:49 PM
Well, on my way to see it now. I'll let you guys know how it was.

And like Vanilla, I'll be sure to highlight some key spoilers.

Deberg_1990
05-21-2008, 02:51 PM
Well, on my way to see it now. I'll let you guys know how it was.

And like Vanilla, I'll be sure to highlight some key spoilers.

Please dont. But have fun. Try to pretend your 15 years old again. :)

irishjayhawk
05-21-2008, 06:15 PM
Haha, I wasn't going to spoil it.

Here's my short review: I know that everyone here is expecting me to say it sucked. But here's the thing: the movie actually fooled me about half way in. I was loving it (aside from the intro).


And then it was all tugged away.

I'm pretty confident in my original analysis and I think anyone who ranks this anywhere among the original three is just flat insane. Moreover, I think too many people are going to be blinded by the nostalgia.

Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2008, 06:58 PM
It's not even close to Temple of Doom?

irishjayhawk
05-21-2008, 07:09 PM
It's not even close to Temple of Doom?

No. I was yelling for the asian kid halfway 3/4s through.

Essentially, it's the Live Free Die Hard version of Indy. I didn't think it was possible to sink that low. But they did.

If the masses love this, it's either because nostalgia blinds them or cinema has truly left mainstream.


ON that note, it amazes me how so many people can wonder why some movies are made yet continue to see movies just as bad that lead to worse and worse movies. They perpetuate the cycle they hate.

irishjayhawk
05-21-2008, 07:10 PM
It went:

Sucky intro -> Nostalgic (good kind) middle part -> Sucky, sucky 3/4s left of the movie..

Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2008, 07:11 PM
Essentially, it's the Live Free Die Hard version of Indy.

I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I loved LFODH.

irishjayhawk
05-21-2008, 07:13 PM
I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I loved LFODH.

LFODH was an abomination in that vein. It can't compare to 1 or 3. It did beat 2.

However, that comparison is probably off because Indy 4 is worse than 2 (Temple).

The movie lost me at least 7 times. Not confused, just refused to take it seriously. To the point that it became a screwball comedy.

Deberg_1990
05-21-2008, 07:18 PM
No. I was yelling for the asian kid halfway 3/4s through.

Essentially, it's the Live Free Die Hard version of Indy. I didn't think it was possible to sink that low. But they did.

If the masses love this, it's either because nostalgia blinds them or cinema has truly left mainstream.


ON that note, it amazes me how so many people can wonder why some movies are made yet continue to see movies just as bad that lead to worse and worse movies. They perpetuate the cycle they hate.


There were parts of LFODH i liked. Mainly Willis just being hard ass McClain again.

But for the most part, it didnt feel like a Die Hard film.

Is that how this latest Indy film feels??

irishjayhawk
05-21-2008, 07:20 PM
There were parts of LFODH i liked. Mainly Willis just being hard ass McClain again.

But for the most part, it didnt feel like a Die Hard film.

Is that how this latest Indy film feels??

Yes. It wasn't in the same vein at all. It tried. Oh, it tried. It even fooled me in the middle area when most of the puzzle was being solved.

And for the record, I usually agree with Ebert. This time, I've got to say he's dead wrong. And I'd say the reason he doesn't want anyone to compare all four of them (or rank them) is because 4 would be dead last by a wide margin.

Someone also said Speilberg had been quoted saying he didn't really like the film or something. Anyone know about that.


Actually, you bring up a good comparison. I liked Jones being back on screen (likewise, McClane) but the movie just plain sucked.

Deberg_1990
05-21-2008, 07:24 PM
Yes. It wasn't in the same vein at all. It tried. Oh, it tried. It even fooled me in the middle area when most of the puzzle was being solved.

And for the record, I usually agree with Ebert. This time, I've got to say he's dead wrong. And I'd say the reason he doesn't want anyone to compare all four of them (or rank them) is because 4 would be dead last by a wide margin.

Someone also said Speilberg had been quoted saying he didn't really like the film or something. Anyone know about that.


Actually, you bring up a good comparison. I liked Jones being back on screen (likewise, McClane) but the movie just plain sucked.

Oh well...

We will see. IM going to try and see it tomorrow. Just out of curiosity, how old are you? IM 37, so im right in that age group where the originals were a big part of our childhood. I have a feeling this flick will play differently to people in different age brackets.

irishjayhawk
05-21-2008, 07:25 PM
Oh well...

We will see. IM going to try and see it tomorrow. Just out of curiosity, how old are you? IM 37, so im right in that age group where the originals were a big part of our childhood. I have a feeling this flick will play differently to people in different age brackets.

I'm 21. I didn't grow up with it, but I saw all of them as a kid. Who didn't? ;)


Which is why I think that the nostalgia factor is coming into play with the older (older than me) crowd.

Deberg_1990
05-21-2008, 07:27 PM
Which is why I think that the nostalgia factor is coming into play with the older (older than me) crowd.

Your probably right. Just seeing Indy again on the big screen is something i never thought id see. IM sure ill be jazzed for at least the first hour.

irishjayhawk
05-21-2008, 07:28 PM
Your probably right. Just seeing Indy again in the big screen is something i never thought id see. IM sure ill be jazzed for at least the first hour.

Minus the first 10 minute intro. I think you'll hate that part but forgive it. With the exception of a few shots, which were, admittedly, cool.

Count Alex's Wins
05-21-2008, 08:07 PM
Irishjayhawk is making me nervous. I have an idea in my head of how this movie should be handled, and he's scaring me. He's giving me Attack of the Clones vibes. He's making it sound like the editing is shoddy and unemotional.

Bill S Preston
05-21-2008, 08:24 PM
Awesome. I thought that Live Free Die Hard was very fun to watch.

irishjayhawk
05-21-2008, 08:45 PM
Irishjayhawk is making me nervous. I have an idea in my head of how this movie should be handled, and he's scaring me. He's giving me Attack of the Clones vibes. He's making it sound like the editing is shoddy and unemotional.

I don't think it's the editing. I think it's an uninterested director, poor script, and unnecessary tampering with a classic series. Especially, with the story they went with.

I will say that after seeing this it's amazing that I never figured out that National Treasure was really a homage to Indy.

irishjayhawk
05-21-2008, 08:46 PM
Awesome. I thought that Live Free Die Hard was very fun to watch.

The sad thing is I knew it would be a bad comparison because of how many people loved the garbage that LFDH was.

That said, both were "fun" watches. They just sucked.


And for comparison, I loved Transformers.

irishjayhawk
05-21-2008, 09:06 PM
In fact, the more I think about it, the more I realize how crappy it really was. I laughed out loud at least 7 times at how bad it was or how the story was going.


On another note, my manager who loved Pirates 2 and 3 (I hated them and still think the Original is the only TRUE pirates ;) ) and who I thought would LOVE this surprised me and said she thought it was "horrible". Not that it means anything.

Bill S Preston
05-21-2008, 09:18 PM
The sad thing is I knew it would be a bad comparison because of how many people loved the garbage that LFDH was.

That said, both were "fun" watches. They just sucked.


And for comparison, I loved Transformers.




I hated Transformers.:hmmm:

irishjayhawk
05-21-2008, 09:33 PM
I forgot to add that the Eagle Eye trailer looked really good.

Of course, so did the Dark Knight and Walle trailers. :)

Tribal Warfare
05-22-2008, 02:21 AM
The movie was badass, but Labouf was sorely miscast though. No way in hell he could pull of that role

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2008, 02:51 AM
It was a good movie.

It was a mediocre Indiana Jones movie. In fact, what it really felt like was a live-action Indiana Jones cartoon. And I'm not talking about the CGI.

The film had very little serious tone. I never felt anyone was in any real danger. There was no one for Indy to rescue, really. This was present in all three of the other films in some way.

I only felt tension in the warehouse scene and in the ant scene.

Part of the reason for that is the John Williams score absolutely SUCKED. I barely noticed. It honestly sounded better on the album than laid in on the soundtrack. He's completely lost his touch.

It didn't feel real or gritty or serious at all like any of the other three. Even Temple of Doom, which was shot on a ton of soundstages.

The alien thing at the end was WAY over the top.

On a positive note, I loved the warehouse scene and the stuff in the graveyard. The humor was pretty good, and I enjoyed all of the acting, especially Cate Blanchett and John Hurt. Karen Allen was fine, although yes, underused. She felt like Marion, though. The action scenes were pretty good, although the thing with the monkeys was ****ing stupid.

The jungle stuff was way over CGI'd, especially on the cliff. It didn't feel real at all, which of course the truck chase in Raiders did (because it WAS).

And the wedding at the end made me puke. Although the hat thing was extremely cute.

Also, loved Lucas' 50's stuff with the racing and greasers/preps brawling in the malt shop. Classic Lucas.

In short, as a movie, 8 out of 10, as it had a good plot, good script, good acting and entertained the hell out of me.

As an Indiana Jones movie, 5.5 out of 10.

Now let the franchise ****ing die.

Oh, the snake scene was ****ing genius.

Tribal Warfare
05-22-2008, 03:37 AM
gochiefs, what did you think of Lebouf's performance?

Personally, if he was Indiana Jones' son, he wasn't believable with his onscreen physicality . Plus, likes like a big pussy trying to fill his dads shoes

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2008, 03:40 AM
gochiefs, what did you think of Lebouf's performance?

I had no problems with it. He did a fine job.

In fact, I loved the scene where he got all pissed off because the Ruskies had his momma, and he brooded and brooded and brooded and then WHAM that greaser punk just nailed that red bastard right across the face, creating chaos and an opportunity for Indy and company to escape.

irishjayhawk
05-22-2008, 03:43 AM
It was a good movie.

It was a mediocre Indiana Jones movie. In fact, what it really felt like was a live-action Indiana Jones cartoon. And I'm not talking about the CGI.

The film had very little serious tone. I never felt anyone was in any real danger. There was no one for Indy to rescue, really. This was present in all three of the other films in some way.

I only felt tension in the warehouse scene and in the ant scene.

Part of the reason for that is the John Williams score absolutely SUCKED. I barely noticed. It honestly sounded better on the album than laid in on the soundtrack. He's completely lost his touch.

It didn't feel real or gritty or serious at all like any of the other three. Even Temple of Doom, which was shot on a ton of soundstages.

The alien thing at the end was WAY over the top.

On a positive note, I loved the warehouse scene and the stuff in the graveyard. The humor was pretty good, and I enjoyed all of the acting, especially Cate Blanchett and John Hurt. Karen Allen was fine, although yes, underused. She felt like Marion, though. The action scenes were pretty good, although the thing with the monkeys was ****ing stupid.

The jungle stuff was way over CGI'd, especially on the cliff. It didn't feel real at all, which of course the truck chase in Raiders did (because it WAS).

And the wedding at the end made me puke. Although the hat thing was extremely cute.

Also, loved Lucas' 50's stuff with the racing and greasers/preps brawling in the malt shop. Classic Lucas.

In short, as a movie, 8 out of 10, as it had a good plot, good script, good acting and entertained the hell out of me.

As an Indiana Jones movie, 5.5 out of 10.

Now let the franchise ****ing die.

Oh, the snake scene was ****ing genius.

You're pointing out the same things I would have yet saying it was a really good movie.

I can see a difference between it being a good movie and being a good IJ movie. But I think you're dead wrong that it was a good film by itself.

irishjayhawk
05-22-2008, 03:43 AM
I had no problems with it. He did a fine job.

In fact, I loved the scene where he got all pissed off because the Ruskies had his momma, and he brooded and brooded and brooded and then WHAM that greaser punk just nailed that red bastard right across the face, creating chaos and an opportunity for Indy and company to escape.

Yeah, he was fine.

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2008, 03:52 AM
You're pointing out the same things I would have yet saying it was a really good movie.

Well, that's my take. It's a good movie. The script has no real problems, the plot is good and engaging, the action sequences are great, the acting is solid, and it has tons of humor.

But it has problems that prevent it from being a good INDIANA JONES movie. You can't have a "meh" soundtrack in an INDIANA JONES movie. You can't have a lack of gritty realism in an INDIANA JONES movie. You can't have ****ING MONKEYS ACTING LIKE DUMBSHITS in an INDIANA JONES movie.

It has to feel real. When INDIANA JONES stuck his whip in a crevice under that truck in Raiders, let the slack go and started getting dragged over gravel while his pants got shredded, THAT FELT REAL. When INDIANA JONES rolled bridge ropes around his pants and snarled the line "MOLA RAM? PREPARE TO MEET KALI! IN HELL!" and then savagely brought his sword down on the bridge, THAT FELT REAL. When INDIANA JONES spurred on his black horse side by side with a nazi tank and shoved ****ing rocks in the barrell, THAT FELT REAL.

Nothing felt quite so real, intense or visceral in this. It was almost like they added too much lens flare in photoshop, if you know what I mean. And everyone seemed too busy trying to crack jokes or make a slapstick violence move, rather than just letting the nazi get his face pulped by the flying wing's propellor blade.

This was Saturday morning cartoon Indiana Jones. They wouldn't dare melt a guy's face (the ant stuff was a weak attempt to be OMG GROSS).

In short - MY AVATAR WAS MISSING FROM THE SPIRIT OF THE MOVIE.

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2008, 03:55 AM
But, what I'm trying to say is, it wasn't a totally putrid piece of cinema like Attack of the Clones. That had almost zero merit. The film I saw tonight was a technically sound motion picture. It was entertaining.

But it felt like it should have starred Brendan Fraser and company, not Harrison Ford. My enjoyment was hollow.

Oh well. When was the last time Spielberg and Lucas made something that even approached their 80's magnificence?

irishjayhawk
05-22-2008, 04:01 AM
Well, that's my take. It's a good movie. The script has no real problems, the plot is good and engaging, the action sequences are great, the acting is solid, and it has tons of humor.

But it has problems that prevent it from being a good INDIANA JONES movie. You can't have a "meh" soundtrack in an INDIANA JONES movie. You can't have a lack of gritty realism in an INDIANA JONES movie. You can't have ****ING MONKEYS ACTING LIKE DUMBSHITS in an INDIANA JONES movie.

It has to feel real. When INDIANA JONES stuck his whip in a crevice under that truck in Raiders, let the slack go and started getting dragged over gravel while his pants got shredded, THAT FELT REAL. When INDIANA JONES rolled bridge ropes around his pants and snarled the line "MOLA RAM? PREPARE TO MEET KALI! IN HELL!" and then savagely brought his sword down on the bridge, THAT FELT REAL. When INDIANA JONES spurred on his black horse side by side with a nazi tank and shoved ****ing rocks in the barrell, THAT FELT REAL.

Nothing felt quite so real, intense or visceral in this. It was almost like they added too much lens flare in photoshop, if you know what I mean. And everyone seemed too busy trying to crack jokes or make a slapstick violence move, rather than just letting the nazi get his face pulped by the flying wing's propellor blade.

This was Saturday morning cartoon Indiana Jones. They wouldn't dare melt a guy's face (the ant stuff was a weak attempt to be OMG GROSS).

In short - MY AVATAR WAS MISSING FROM THE SPIRIT OF THE MOVIE.

I don't mean to tell you your an idiot for having that take, to be sure.

And I agree with most of it. It didn't feel right.

However, I thought the script was shit. From the cheesy intro which includes the fridge, to the ants, to the monkeys, to pretty much the entire jungle except when it's just Shia and Him in the graveyard to the alien to the wedding

Now, the acting was good except for Allen. I don't know why, she just annoyed me. And it was entertaining but for me the entertainment was more in the comedy range because of how laughable some of that stuff was.

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2008, 04:06 AM
That's why it felt more like a Mummy film. They have all that dumb, but entertaining crap in the Mummy. It fits there.

This was sort of like taking the awesomesauce of Aliens and Predator, and mashing them together to make AvP.

AvP was good. I found it entertaining. But it didn't have the same "serious" feel of Aliens or Predator, or an ounce of the grit.

That was really fine with me, because they didn't put Dutch or Ripley or Hicks or anyone like that in AvP. They just had Aliens and Predators. Those are throwaway characters. I was just there to see Aliens and Predators rip shit apart, which is a ****ing good time.

But Indy is different. Indy deserves to be in a quasi-realistic setting, not Mutt The Wonderboy comes swinging on monkey tribe vines to save the day. Save that shit for The Mummy.

DaneMcCloud
05-22-2008, 04:14 AM
That's why it felt more like a Mummy film. They have all that dumb, but entertaining crap in the Mummy. It fits there.

This was sort of like taking the awesomesauce of Aliens and Predator, and mashing them together to make AvP.

AvP was good. I found it entertaining. But it didn't have the same "serious" feel of Aliens or Predator, or an ounce of the grit.

That was really fine with me, because they didn't put Dutch or Ripley or Hicks or anyone like that in AvP. They just had Aliens and Predators. Those are throwaway characters. I was just there to see Aliens and Predators rip shit apart, which is a ****ing good time.

But Indy is different. Indy deserves to be in a quasi-realistic setting, not Mutt The Wonderboy comes swinging on monkey tribe vines to save the day. Save that shit for The Mummy.

I haven't seen the film (due to extenuating circumstances) and will probably have to wait until it hits DVD (unless somehow, I can conjure up some time to get away).

That being said, "The Mummy" in my opinion was a blast. Great special effects (ILM), great casting and a well written script. Stephen Sommers is/was a George Lucas protege' for years and obviously learned a great deal from him and knew how to utilize that knowledge (which isn't as easy as it sounds, for obvious reasons).

I'm sure I'll enjoy it for "what it is" but Lucas did try to warn people months ago by proclaiming "It's just a movie".

I think he learned his lesson from the prequels about expectations. Unfortunately, Spielberg (and I had a feeling about this, due to his work over the last decade) was the wrong director.


As far as a "money grab", these guys are worth billions, just from making movies. I don't think there's any way in the freakin' world that they did it for money.

They did it for fun.

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2008, 04:18 AM
That being said, "The Mummy" in my opinion was a blast. Great special effects (ILM), great casting and a well written script. Stephen Sommers is/was a George Lucas protege' for years and obviously learned a great deal from him and knew how to utilize that knowledge (which isn't as easy as it sounds, for obvious reasons).


I loved the Mummy. Hell, Mummy Returns was a blast.

I just don't want to see Indiana Jones riding in a jet-powered balloon, you get my drift?

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2008, 04:26 AM
Go and watch the last James Bond film.

That movie had grit and viscera in spades despite the fact it was set around a casino.

That's what was missing from Indy IV.

DaneMcCloud
05-22-2008, 04:46 AM
Go and watch the last James Bond film.

That movie had grit and viscera in spades despite the fact it was set around a casino.

That's what was missing from Indy IV.

"Casino Royale" was freaking awesome. Maybe the best Bond film, EVER.

But the reason why it's so cool is that the producers decided to "go real". They hired Neal Purvis for the first script, then Paul Haggis for the final script. They also went out of their way to hire a uniquely gifted, "against-type" actor for the role.

The only way that "Indy 4" would even remotely satisfy those looking for something beyond what they've produced is if someone else took over the franchise.

That wasn't going to happen. So, "It is what it is".

Guru
05-22-2008, 05:04 AM
Damn you and your spoiler tags!!!!!:cuss::cuss::cuss:LMAO

I want to click but won't.:harumph:

Deberg_1990
05-22-2008, 08:17 AM
That's why it felt more like a Mummy film. They have all that dumb, but entertaining crap in the Mummy. It fits there.



Honestly, they probably thought they had to pace with the current wave of CGI dominated adventure flicks. That way they could ensure they get the "teen/kiddie dollar"

Sucks to hear they went that route. I know Spielberg can stil bring the gritty realism. "Munich" was very gritty and very real. Nothing over the top.

Deberg_1990
05-22-2008, 08:25 AM
It was almost like they added too much lens flare in photoshop, if you know what I mean. .


Yea, i noticed Spielberg didnt use the orignal cinematographer (Douglas Sloucombe) for this one. Hes probably too old anyways.

He went with his old buddy Janusz Kaminski who is fine, but at times he has this weird glowing backlight thing going on in his shots. Anyhow, im sure it looks strange for an Indy film.

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2008, 11:47 AM
Yea, i noticed Spielberg didnt use the orignal cinematographer (Douglas Sloucombe) for this one. Hes probably too old anyways.

He went with his old buddy Janusz Kaminski who is fine, but at times he has this weird glowing backlight thing going on in his shots. Anyhow, im sure it looks strange for an Indy film.

That blows.

I'm going to watch Last Crusade this week. I'll get pounded for saying this but it's my favorite. It has the right mix of humor and gritty action. The Nazis are ****ing awesome.

Deberg_1990
05-22-2008, 12:01 PM
That blows.

I'm going to watch Last Crusade this week. I'll get pounded for saying this but it's my favorite.

Whoa, whoa whoa....i wouldnt go that far.

Raiders is by far the best. I like TOD better than Last Crusade. I think some of the action scenes in Last Crusade are kind of lame.

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2008, 12:05 PM
Whoa, whoa whoa....i wouldnt go that far.

Raiders is by far the best. I like TOD better than Last Crusade. I think some of the action scenes in Last Crusade are kind of lame.

Oh, who cares. I love them all. They're like my children. I just haven't seen Crusade in awhile. A guy had it on his laptop in the theater before the movie last night. I was peeking over his shoulder and saying all the lines to myself.

"The penitent man will pass! The penitent man will pass! The penitent man...kneels before God....KNEEL!"

kaplin42
05-22-2008, 12:17 PM
I heard on the radio this morning from people who saw this movie last night, that it BLEW.

It wouldnt surprise me if it did suck, definately disappoining, but wouldnt surprise me.

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2008, 12:24 PM
I heard on the radio this morning from people who saw this movie last night, that it BLEW.

It wouldnt surprise me if it did suck, definately disappoining, but wouldnt surprise me.

Attack of the Clones blew. This was a well-made film. It just didn't feel like Indiana Jones.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-22-2008, 12:26 PM
"Casino Royale" was freaking awesome. Maybe the best Bond film, EVER.

But the reason why it's so cool is that the producers decided to "go real". They hired Neal Purvis for the first script, then Paul Haggis for the final script. They also went out of their way to hire a uniquely gifted, "against-type" actor for the role.

The only way that "Indy 4" would even remotely satisfy those looking for something beyond what they've produced is if someone else took over the franchise.

That wasn't going to happen. So, "It is what it is".

Royale was an ok movie, IMO, kind of boring. The audio was off it seemed. Also, I almost needed to turn on the subcaption on the DVD player because I could not understand what the hell Craig was saying!!! ugh!! Dude is hard to understand, he seemed to mumble throughout the whole movie.

Having said that, I did enjoy it. I'm hard to displease, because I'm easily entertained lol.

keg in kc
05-22-2008, 01:15 PM
Just saw it. I thought it was okay (as in, 'eh, it was okay I guess'). It wasn't bad, outside of some cheesy shit, but I doubt I'll go out of my way to see it again.

I love the concept, the execution just wasn't there.

Sure-Oz
05-22-2008, 01:48 PM
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/indiana_jones_and_the_kingdom_of_the_crystal_skull

80% on RT...

I am going to see it next wed evening at a special showing that ticket sales will go to a charity or something

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2008, 01:59 PM
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/indiana_jones_and_the_kingdom_of_the_crystal_skull

80% on RT...

I am going to see it next wed evening at a special showing that ticket sales will go to a charity or something

It's getting good reviews because for the most part it's a technically sound film with good acting and a decent plot.

But it's disappointing hardcore Indiana Jones nerds because it doesn't feel like Indiana Jones. There's no sense of peril.

Tribal Warfare
05-22-2008, 02:03 PM
But it's disappointing hardcore Indiana Jones nerds because it doesn't feel like Indiana Jones. There's no sense of peril.



I believe they should've killed off his son

Sure-Oz
05-22-2008, 02:56 PM
It's getting good reviews because for the most part it's a technically sound film with good acting and a decent plot.

But it's disappointing hardcore Indiana Jones nerds because it doesn't feel like Indiana Jones. There's no sense of peril.

Is it the worst of the films?

Count Alex's Wins
05-22-2008, 03:01 PM
Is it the worst of the films?

Yeah. I mean, it's not horrible, but it doesn't stack up to the other three as INDIANA JONES films.

irishjayhawk
05-22-2008, 03:02 PM
Is it the worst of the films?

Easily.

Of course, I disagree with GoChiefs. I think it was a shitty film, craft wise.

keg in kc
05-22-2008, 03:14 PM
If somebody held a gun to my head and said "You're going to watch a movie. Temple of Doom or Crystal Skull?" I'd vote Crystal Skull without a pause. It wasn't even in the same dimension of suck as that runny turd.

(Dimension, get it?)

Deberg_1990
05-22-2008, 03:28 PM
Of course, I disagree with GoChiefs. I think it was a shitty film, craft wise.

He was only talking about the technical aspects of it. Spielberg has always been one of the best, if not the best technical director of all time.

irishjayhawk
05-22-2008, 06:50 PM
He was only talking about the technical aspects of it. Spielberg has always been one of the best, if not the best technical director of all time.

I realize this. I'm telling you that I think it's one of his worst flicks. War of the Worlds is up there too.

There were some good shots but most of the film seemed like he really didn't care and was nothing short of bored.

Deberg_1990
05-22-2008, 07:12 PM
I realize this. I'm telling you that I think it's one of his worst flicks. War of the Worlds is up there too.

There were some good shots but most of the film seemed like he really didn't care and was nothing short of bored.

I liked War of the Worlds. Mainly the Alien Pod attacks.

That first Alien attack sequence is damn near brilliant.

irishjayhawk
05-22-2008, 07:14 PM
I liked War of the Worlds. Mainly the Alien Pod attacks.

That first Alien attack sequence is damn near brilliant.

I wouldn't put it close to half his films. Of course, that's a testament to his directing.

Still, it felt and I believe he's said, it wasn't his best work.

Chiefs Pantalones
05-22-2008, 07:25 PM
I wouldn't put it close to half his films. Of course, that's a testament to his directing.

Still, it felt and I believe he's said, it wasn't his best work.

I got your message, I couldn't respond because the server was being gay.

I loved it. I'm easily entertained though. lol

mcan
05-22-2008, 07:52 PM
There is a LOT wrong with the movie. Don't get me wrong. I liked enough of it to make it worth seeing and probably better than "Temple of Doom" but overall I thought the movie was pretty terrible. If someone wants to explain quickly how to do the spoiler tags, I'll post a more specific review.


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