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BigMeatballDave
12-15-2007, 04:29 PM
Pettitte admits using HGH to recover from an elbow injury in 2002

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3156305

HolmeZz
12-15-2007, 04:44 PM
That kills Clemens and his "the guy was desperate and made everything up" stance.

TEX
12-15-2007, 04:44 PM
Wow. A player who actually admitted doing something...What a concept. If he is to get fined for doing so, then do it and move on.

I hope the real losers who don't admit to any wrong doing get caught and the book gets thrown at them.

HolmeZz
12-15-2007, 04:46 PM
Pettitte's a religious guy. Though he cheated, he wasn't going to come out and lie to the public.

Bump
12-15-2007, 04:54 PM
baseball is ruined, time to close up shop!

the Talking Can
12-15-2007, 04:55 PM
That kills Clemens and his "the guy was desperate and made everything up" stance.

yup

LTforMVP
12-15-2007, 05:18 PM
Pettitte's a religious guy. Though he cheated, he wasn't going to come out and lie to the public.

Its just as illogical to attach his confession to religion as it is to attach his cheating in the first place to religion

Bill Parcells
12-15-2007, 05:25 PM
Every person has HGH in their body. some people who are genetic freaks have more than others. Pettite said he only used it to recover from an injury, not as an advantage on the playing field.

Mr. Laz
12-15-2007, 05:25 PM
Pettitte's a religious guy. Though he cheated, he wasn't going to come out and lie to the public.
yea ... cause religion stops people from lying all the time.

HolmeZz
12-15-2007, 05:25 PM
Its just as illogical to attach his confession to religion as it is to attach his cheating in the first place to religion

I'm attaching his confession to the type of person he is. Religion is a component of that, dildo.

Mr. Laz
12-15-2007, 05:27 PM
Every person has HGH in their body. some people who are genetic freaks have more than others. Pettite said he only used it to recover from an injury, not as an advantage on the playing field.
recovering faster IS a competitive advantage


and i don't believe that he just used if for an injury anyway.


once he used it and got great results he would use it again

FAX
12-15-2007, 05:27 PM
If God wanted us to take HGH, we would have been born with little tamper proof bottles.

FAX

Mr. Laz
12-15-2007, 05:27 PM
I'm attaching his confession to the type of person he is. Religion is a component of that, dildo.
because you think being religious makes your "better"


see what your are implying?

Bill Parcells
12-15-2007, 05:28 PM
recovering faster IS a competitive advantage


and i don't believe that he just used if for an injury anyway.


once he used it and got great results he would use it again
But he's a religious guy, you don't think he would lie, would you? :(

HolmeZz
12-15-2007, 05:28 PM
yea ... cause religion stops people from lying all the time.

Nope. And there are plenty who use their religious as an excuse. I absolutely disdain the Yankees, but Pettitte's a stand-up person.

HolmeZz
12-15-2007, 05:29 PM
because you think being religious makes your "better"


see what your are implying?

No. Have you seen any of my posts on CP? I'm the least religious guy you could find.

All I'm saying is that knowing Andy and his conscience, he wouldn't have come out and lied to the public if he knew the report was true. And he didn't.

FAX
12-15-2007, 05:32 PM
If one has an enduring fear of roasting over a flaming pit for all eternity as Satan's minions pick the flesh from your bones, and if you believe that lying is a mortal sin, you would probably elect to tell the truth more often. That's reasonable, in my book.

FAX

Mr. Laz
12-15-2007, 05:33 PM
No. Have you seen any of my posts on CP? I'm the least religious guy you could find.

All I'm saying is that knowing Andy and his conscience, he wouldn't have come out and lied to the public if he knew the report was true. And he didn't.
dude, you said that religion = less lying

this is what your said ..... basically


i don't know or care about your religious beliefs, the statement stands on it's own.

how would you "know andy's conscience"?


you can only assume his conscience by some kind of preconceived notions about religious people.

Mr. Laz
12-15-2007, 05:34 PM
If one has an enduring fear of roasting over a flaming pit for all eternity as Satan's minions pick the flesh from your bones, and if you believe that lying is a mortal sin, you would probably elect to tell the truth more often. That's reasonable, in my book.

FAX
about how being a cheating bitch?


how does that figure into the hellish equation?

Jayhawkerman2001
12-15-2007, 05:37 PM
yea ... cause religion stops people from lying all the time.

thats my new quote for the year, lol. Religious people lie to save their own hides constantly, because if they didn't, religion would be seen as a fraud, which it is. God damn hypocrites they are and everybody knows it.l

BigMeatballDave
12-15-2007, 05:41 PM
F.P. Santangelo admitted to using it, as well.

HolmeZz
12-15-2007, 05:42 PM
dude, you said that religion = less lying

First off, I didn't.

Secondly, I'm agnostic.

Thirdly, you're making my words into a blanket statement for anybody who's religious. It wasn't. I was speaking to the character of the person. Pettitte is genuine and part of that does come from his faith.


i don't know or care about your religious beliefs, the statement stands on it's own.

I have no religious beliefs, I hate the Yankees, and Pettitte is a cheater. I just knew he wouldn't compound his mistake with another.

how would you "know andy's conscience"?

Because I'm very familiar with Andy. And I wasn't wrong in my thinking.

you can only assume his conscience by some kind of preconceived notions about religious people.

Nope. There are plenty of rotten religious people. Being religious doesn't make anyone better than anybody else. Just knowing Andy as an individual, I knew he wasn't going to compound his original mistake and lash out like you've seen Clemens and Bonds do. That's not who he is.

FAX
12-15-2007, 05:46 PM
about how being a cheating bitch?


how does that figure into the hellish equation?

I don't recall HGH being on the commandment list. I may have to recheck, but if it isn't, it would likely fall under the "lesser sins" category, Mr. Laz. Which, depending on other aspects of your life, would only cost you a few hundred years in purgagory. Unless, of course, you choose to purchase an indulgence from the Vatican for about 50 bucks, or so.

FAX

Mr. Laz
12-15-2007, 05:57 PM
I don't recall HGH being on the commandment list. I may have to recheck, but if it isn't, it would likely fall under the "lesser sins" category, Mr. Laz. Which, depending on other aspects of your life, would only cost you a few hundred years in purgagory. Unless, of course, you choose to purchase an indulgence from the Vatican for about 50 bucks, or so.

FAX
ROFL ROFL

Orange Cameltoe
12-15-2007, 05:59 PM
Nope. And there are plenty who use their religious as an excuse. I absolutely disdain the Yankees, but Pettitte's a stand-up person.

Apparently not. He doped. He's a douche.

Mr. Laz
12-15-2007, 06:00 PM
Because I'm very familiar with Andy.


:hmmm:

ok ...... i guess if you know Andy personally then that changes the implications of your statement. But the way you worded it certain implied the religious assumptions ... unless everyone knew that you had some kind of real knowledge of Pettite personally.

HolmeZz
12-15-2007, 06:02 PM
:hmmm:

ok ...... i guess if you know Andy personally then that changes the implications of your statement. But the way worded it certain implied the religious assumptions unless everyone knew that you had some kind of real knowledge of Pettite personally.

It's really about how genuine a person you are. Andy's religion ties into that. That's all I was saying.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-15-2007, 06:06 PM
:hmmm:

ok ...... i guess if you know Andy personally then that changes the implications of your statement. But the way you worded it certain implied the religious assumptions ... unless everyone knew that you had some kind of real knowledge of Pettite personally.

Even if he knew him personally, assuming that he's honest because of his faith is a stretch. The two are not symbiotic.

Mr. Laz
12-15-2007, 06:07 PM
It's really about how genuine a person you are. Andy's religion ties into that. That's all I was saying.
but nobody would KNOW that unless they knew Pettitte personally or were making religious assumptions.

Mr. Laz
12-15-2007, 06:08 PM
Even if he knew him personally, assuming that he's honest because of his faith is a stretch. The two are not symbiotic.
agreed ...... but if Holmezz knows if then it doesn't make his statements so bias and assumptive.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-15-2007, 06:11 PM
agreed ...... but if Holmezz knows if then it doesn't make his statements so bias and assumptive.

So if I knew Jimmy Swaggert, does that somehow change the way I should view his contrition over banging his secretary and kiping millions of dollars?

HolmeZz
12-15-2007, 06:13 PM
This is where the misconception is. I didn't say Andy never lies because he's religious. I wouldn't have believed him if he said he was innocent in regards to these claims. I just said he wasn't going to compound one mistake with another and that's why he came out, admitted it, and didn't try and pull what Bonds and Clemens have done.

JBucc
12-15-2007, 06:18 PM
Do you ****ing idiots have to turn every goddamn thread into a religious debate?

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-15-2007, 06:18 PM
This is where the misconception is. I didn't say Andy never lies because he's religious. I wouldn't have believed him if he said he was innocent in regards to these claims. I just said he wasn't going to compound one mistake with another and that's why he came out, admitted it, and didn't try and pull what Bonds and Clemens have done.

To me....(and obviously my opinion), it still seems like that's more of a cover your ass/PR move, not one born of true contrition/need to come clean, especially given his timing.

If it was eating him up so much, why not mention it 4 years ago?

Cochise
12-15-2007, 06:19 PM
recovering faster IS a competitive advantage


Bingo

Mr. Laz
12-15-2007, 06:21 PM
So if I knew Jimmy Swaggert, does that somehow change the way I should view his contrition over banging his secretary and kiping millions of dollars?
no ..... but Holmezz didn't comment about the act of using HGH.

he commented about how he would react afterwards.


a minor distinction ... but a distinction nevertheless



i'll take Holmezz at his word that he has some kind of personal knowledge of Pettitte other than just his religion.

HolmeZz
12-15-2007, 06:34 PM
To me....(and obviously my opinion), it still seems like that's more of a cover your ass/PR move, not one born of true contrition/need to come clean, especially given his timing.

If it was eating him up so much, why not mention it 4 years ago?

I don't disagree with any of that. And I'm not saying he came out and admitted it out of the goodness of his heart. I'm just saying he wasn't going to compound his mistake. He's not the same kind of person that Bonds and Clemens are. You shouldn't be trying to look any deeper into what I said.

HolmeZz
12-15-2007, 06:34 PM
no ..... but Holmezz didn't comment about the act of using HGH.

I called him a cheater, as he is one.

Mr. Laz
12-15-2007, 06:36 PM
I called him a cheater, as he is one.
dam man ... even when i support you, you argue about it.


the comment in question wasn't about HGH ... it was about how pettite would react after the fact.

HolmeZz
12-15-2007, 06:44 PM
Yes. And clearly I wasn't in wrong in my assessment that he'd come out and admit to it.

Mr. Laz
12-15-2007, 06:47 PM
Yes. And clearly I wasn't in wrong in my assessment that he'd come out and admit to it.
and again ....... you miss the freakin point by at least 100 miles.

UteChief
12-15-2007, 06:48 PM
I think it's great someone who was named came out and admitted it. Even if it took him to be named to say something.

Now was HGH illegal in baseball when he did it?

HolmeZz
12-15-2007, 06:53 PM
No, you still don't get my point. I wasn't attributing religion to the validity of whatever statement he came out and made. I was attributing religion to the type of person he is. We'd all have different reasons on why we would've admitted to doing something like he did. His was at least partly rooted in faith. That was my point and if you still can't get that, you're just making too much out of what I originally said.

TEX
12-15-2007, 08:17 PM
I think it's great someone who was named came out and admitted it. Even if it took him to be named to say something.

Now was HGH illegal in baseball when he did it?

No.

Shag
12-15-2007, 08:47 PM
Technically, Pettite is not a cheater, based on this confession. HGH was not a banned substance at the time he is admitting to using it, which also meshes with the information provided in the report. He has not been tied to steroids, either.

Whether you think it was an isolated incident or not is up to you, but he was not breaking the rules at the time of the admitted use.

It's pretty much the same situation as McGuire and the andro...

MahiMike
12-15-2007, 09:13 PM
5 years from now steroids will be legal and this will all be a moot point. The only reason people have their panties in a wad is because of stats. Who the hell cares? Let 'em all shoot up.

bkkcoh
12-15-2007, 09:22 PM
Technically, Pettite is not a cheater, based on this confession. HGH was not a banned substance at the time he is admitting to using it, which also meshes with the information provided in the report. He has not been tied to steroids, either.

Whether you think it was an isolated incident or not is up to you, but he was not breaking the rules at the time of the admitted use.

It's pretty much the same situation as McGuire and the andro...

But it is amazing that laws and regulations always lag behind the people trying to get an advantage. Whether it being spam emails or trying to be able to recover quicker from an injury or repeated use injuries....

Yeah, lets give the all steroids and then boycott baseball. :banghead:

penguinz
12-15-2007, 10:17 PM
Who cares what they do? it is their own body. It has no effect on someone else's health. Let them do whatever they want.

chiefbowe82
12-15-2007, 11:02 PM
Who cares what they do? it is their own body. It has no effect on someone else's health. Let them do whatever they want.

so you think drugs are okay?

Dylan
12-16-2007, 12:02 AM
I mostly found it humerous that the report culminated a two year investigation at a cost of $20 million dollars and the only real sources of names aside from Balco were two New York trainers. Did Mitchell and his law firm DLA Piper dig around in Boston? No prominent Red Sox player is named in the report.

Was Mitchell conflicted because he sits on the Red Sox Board of Directors? A seat he refused to vacate despite the accusations that his report might be biased? Couldn't Selig find a lawyer that was independent of any team?

The report raises a simple question: did Mitchell and his team of investigative lawyers start and finished their investigation in New York? Did they feel satisfied with the results of an incomplete investigation?He should have his license revoked for an unwaivable conflict of interest.

If you read the report, Pettitte did HGH in 2002 after the World Series and before it was banned by Major League Baseball, although it is an illegal substance.

Dylan
12-16-2007, 12:12 AM
I think they should do an investigation on lawyers who use cocaine. http://www.discodelic.netfirms.com/other-gaptooth.gif

Ultra Peanut
12-16-2007, 12:17 AM
Pettitte's a religious guy. Though he cheated, he wasn't going to come out and lie to the public.And what was he doing before, when he was writing articles and a book about how all he needed was his faith and how he's been LIVING A PURE LIFE (http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2007/12/too-good-to-be-true.html)?

Who cares what they do? it is their own body. It has no effect on someone else's health. Let them do whatever they want.Because it's cheating. You can't just say, "Hey, these guys took [insert drug here] to improve their games, and we're not going to punish them for that. Oh, and if you're a marginal player and want to do everything you can to keep your job, I guess you can take [insert drug that may or may not have negative health ramifications here] too; you know, if you want to support your family as best you can."

Letting drug use run wild in your sport is tantamount to endorsing it, and doing so forces people who were on the fence to make decisions they otherwise wouldn't have been squeezed into.

I mostly found it humerous that the report culminated a two year investigation at a cost of $20 million dollars and the only real sources of names aside from Balco were two New York trainers. Did Mitchell and his law firm DLA Piper dig around in Boston? No prominent Red Sox player is named in the report.ABLOOBLOOBLOO IT'S AN ANTI-YANKEES CONSPIRACY

Ultra Peanut
12-16-2007, 12:28 AM
FP Santangelo, now there's a religious guy.

In an emotional two-hour radio appearance, the seven-year major league veteran, who last played with the Oakland A's in 2001, confessed to using human growth hormone, explained how and why he did it and publicly apologized to his two kids, his ex-wife, his parents and listeners. He talked about the difficulty he had in explaining it all to his children, and the concern he had that his son, F.P. Jr., would be teased Friday in middle school.

He even shared a story of reporters hiding outside his home Thursday evening and the guilt he felt each time the doorbell rang and he saw a look of fear on the faces of his kids.

"That was the part that made me feel, as a Dad, as bad as I've ever felt," Santangelo told listeners. "They were scared. That was the one thing that really hit home is that I made these bad decisions and now my kids are scared. I almost felt like a pedophile."

Santangelo's honesty, his candor and his willingness to accept responsibility for what he had done touched some listeners and infuriated others. Opinions ranged from, "You're a liar," "You should resign," and "What should I tell my kid?" to "You don't owe anyone an apology," "I commend you for telling the truth," and "Keep your head up."

Santangelo absorbed it all, telling listeners, "I made this bed and now I have to lie in it."

HolmeZz
12-16-2007, 12:32 AM
I totally implied that you could only be honest if you're religious.

Ultra Peanut
12-16-2007, 12:47 AM
I just don't understand why someone deserves praise for saying, "Aww, ya got me!"

If your hand was in the cookie jar, and no one caught you, it would be something to say, "Hey, I hate to admit this but I stole a cookie once."

Saying, "Well, okay, I might have grabbed a cookie or two," while staring at security camera footage of you grabbing said cookie, isn't exactly noble.

Dylan
12-16-2007, 12:47 AM
I think it was early damage control....


http://65.18.214.134/images/smilies/candle.gif Lighting a candle for Clemens. I can almost picture him... curled in a fetal position on his coach clutching his glove... a lone, solitary tear dripping down his cheek. Sad really.

Ultra Peanut
12-16-2007, 12:51 AM
And seriously, Pettitte's statement is such a cop-out:

"If what I did was an error in judgment on my part, I apologize," Pettitte said Saturday in a statement released by his agent. "I accept responsibility for those two days.""I'm not saying I said anything offensive, but I'm sorry you're such a whiny baby and that you were offended by it."

crazycoffey
12-16-2007, 12:53 AM
whatever

HolmeZz
12-16-2007, 01:04 AM
I just don't understand why someone deserves praise for saying, "Aww, ya got me!"

He definitely doesn't deserve praise.

Ultra Peanut
12-21-2007, 10:15 AM
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Mr. Laz
12-21-2007, 10:54 AM
Who cares what they do? it is their own body. It has no effect on someone else's health. Let them do whatever they want.
i know you're gone ..... but it's about the sport not the drugs.


i don't care if you want to use HGH or whatever. As long as your are 18+ then you should be able to use whatever you want imo.


you use HGH .... fine
i use HGH ..... fine
a professional athlete used HGH ...... not fine

Bill Parcells
12-21-2007, 12:01 PM
i know you're gone ..... but it's about the sport not the drugs.


i don't care if you want to use HGH or whatever. As long as your are 18+ then you should be able to use whatever you want imo.


you use HGH .... fine
i use HGH ..... fine
a professional athlete used HGH ...... not fine
You're just bitter :)

Mr. Laz
12-21-2007, 05:01 PM
You're just bitter :)
bitter because everyone in new york is a cheater?


nah :p