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Cochise
12-16-2007, 02:37 PM
Almost a year after most of this discussion took place - with what you see now, should we have packaged him up for draft picks after all?

His contract post-extension runs through 2012. I believe it was $19 million guaranteed, 7 million or so bonus, and 40-45 million overall.

OnTheWarpath58
12-16-2007, 02:37 PM
Ya think?

:banghead:

Phobia
12-16-2007, 02:38 PM
I always thought so. But I don't know anything.

Fly O.T. McWall
12-16-2007, 02:42 PM
i siaid it then and i hold with it.. you don't pay rbs in this day and age. we shoulda made him play out his current contract, tagged him next year, let him walk as a 30 year old running back. or trade him for picks.

but they didn't call and askme.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2007, 02:46 PM
Tagging him would have been dumb too. I said it then, and I say it now...they should have traded his ass.

Running Backs are just cannon fodder. You drive them into the breach, grind them into dust, and you get another.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

KC Tattoo
12-16-2007, 02:49 PM
On draft day I was thinking of the Hershal Walker Dallas to Vikes trade & three Super Bowls after that for Dallas.

Carl Peterson just doesn't have any vision or imagination on doing anything special to create a Championship team.

Halfcan
12-16-2007, 02:49 PM
Smith is making the fans forget about crybaby LJ.

MichaelH
12-16-2007, 02:50 PM
He may be needed after Hermie runs Smith into the ground.

StillHonest
12-16-2007, 02:54 PM
I have always seen him as a troubled bad attitude cancer to the team. Now hes damaged goods bad attitude high cost cancer to the team.

kstater
12-16-2007, 02:55 PM
Isn't hindsight great?

irishjayhawk
12-16-2007, 02:56 PM
I always thought so. But I don't know anything.

This goes for me as well.

irishjayhawk
12-16-2007, 02:57 PM
Isn't hindsight great?

Isn't foresight better?

Baconeater
12-16-2007, 02:58 PM
Shoulda coulda but didn'ta.

FringeNC
12-16-2007, 03:04 PM
Tagging him would have been dumb too. I said it then, and I say it now...they should have traded his ass.

Running Backs are just cannon fodder. You drive them into the breach, grind them into dust, and you get another.

Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

It's a sad state of affairs when your GM and HC are clueless about such things.

RustShack
12-16-2007, 03:05 PM
We started losing when he got hurt...

Fly O.T. McWall
12-16-2007, 03:15 PM
We started losing when he got hurt...
we started losing when thye made the decision to start huard over croyle.

when defenses force you to make the qb beat you, you'd better have a qb capable of beating someone, and while we didn't know what croyle could do, we absolutely knew huard wasn't that guy.

Cochise
12-16-2007, 03:16 PM
We started losing when he got hurt...

Unfortunately we can only schedule the Bungles and the Raiders so many times.

KCJohnny
12-16-2007, 03:17 PM
LJ will need to gain 1800 yards and score 20 TDs next year to earn all that dough. Another stupid decision by the FO.

88TG88
12-16-2007, 03:21 PM
Meh, we would've screwed up the picks anyways.

StillHonest
12-16-2007, 03:25 PM
I think we do need to remember he was raised in poverty stricken Happy Valley PA and that should allow for his attitude and allow us all to understand his bonding through the hip hop ganger culture that permeated his life through college.

You white folk just cant deal with that.

Halfcan
12-16-2007, 03:28 PM
I have always seen him as a troubled bad attitude cancer to the team. Now hes damaged goods bad attitude high cost cancer to the team.

LJ has quit on this team-he doesn't even stick around to watch the games.

A bruised foot- and he is out for the year. :deevee:

suds79
12-16-2007, 03:42 PM
I think we can all agree that we should of traded him.

The real question now is if we should try to trade him still?

Probably impossible with his contract but not knowing the details, if we could get as much as a 2nd for him? I'd do it.

I really don't think he will ever be the RB he was 2-3 years go.

StillHonest
12-16-2007, 04:05 PM
no one will be after damaged goodslittle larry

boredfan
12-16-2007, 04:08 PM
The one thing I have against LJ is holding out. Now I am not a stat junkie, but I would love to hear some numbers on injuries early in the season after holding out. Okay, he was training, but it isn't the same. Unclear about the injury and future implications of the injury, if he makes training camp I think he would be back to his stellar performances. ohhh...and you don't pay RB's, so you wouldn't pay LT either?

suds79
12-16-2007, 04:08 PM
no one will be after damaged goodslittle larry

Contract aside, (and maybe that's the deal breaker) I've got to believe there's a point where some team would take a shot at him.

2nd? Okay maybe not. 3rd? 4th? 5th? 6th? 7th?

Cochise
12-16-2007, 04:10 PM
The one thing I have against LJ is holding out. Now I am not a stat junkie, but I would love to hear some numbers on injuries early in the season after holding out. Okay, he was training, but it isn't the same. Unclear about the injury and future implications of the injury, if he makes training camp I think he would be back to his stellar performances. ohhh...and you don't pay RB's, so you wouldn't pay LT either?

Even a player in the best condition could have sustained an injury on that tackle in the Green Bay game.

The issue is not his injury this season. It's whether or not the package of draft picks we could have gotten would have been a better move for this franchise. Two first day picks this coming year, perhaps, or Larry Johnson until 2012.

It's also about whether a good running back is really that hard to replace. I think they are created by their offensive line almost as much as they become great themselves.

We couldn't get for him now what we could have gotten last year. We had a chance to sell high and passed it up.

OnTheWarpath58
12-16-2007, 04:11 PM
Contract aside, (and maybe that's the deal breaker) I've got to believe there's a point where some team would take a shot at him.

2nd? Okay maybe not. 3rd? 4th? 5th? 6th? 7th?

I'd take a Willis McGahee type deal (R4 x 2, IIRC) but the cap hit would be astronomical.

Anyone know what it would be?

Disclaimer: Just asking. I'm smart enough to know a trade is impossible to pull off.

Mecca
12-16-2007, 04:14 PM
Maybe I'll get some credit for that one...

Halfcan
12-16-2007, 04:16 PM
Maybe I'll get some credit for that one...

Yep you were right all along.

cdcox
12-16-2007, 04:17 PM
Isn't hindsight great?

There were several in favor of the trade before the draft and even over the summer.

kstater
12-16-2007, 04:22 PM
There were several in favor of the trade before the draft and even over the summer.

I realize that. There were also several in favor of the contract. And if LJ had a monster year, they would be harping about how they were right. My point still remains true.

BigMeatballDave
12-16-2007, 04:23 PM
Yes. I wanted to trade him before the draft.

BigMeatballDave
12-16-2007, 04:39 PM
This was a fun thread...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=161710&page=1&pp=15&highlight=Trade+Larry+Johnson

Thig Lyfe
12-16-2007, 05:14 PM
DEFINITELY should have traded him. If I remember correctly, I was in the "I want to keep him, but if we trade him for picks I'll be fine" camp. Now it's plainly clear that LJ was not worth it, and that we'd be better off with a stronger line and Kolby Smith.

Bwana
12-16-2007, 05:18 PM
Yes. We should have traded him for draft picks.

Cochise
12-16-2007, 05:55 PM
Whoa, I didn't expect it to be this decisive.

dirk digler
12-16-2007, 05:57 PM
I was wrong they should have traded him

Brock
12-16-2007, 06:00 PM
Maybe I'll get some credit for that one...

It might help that crater in your credibility for saying Kawika Mitchell was going to get 30 million dollars.

Guru
12-16-2007, 06:00 PM
Gotta love hindsight.

Cochise
12-16-2007, 06:01 PM
It might help that crater in your credibility for saying Kawika Mitchell was going to get 30 million dollars.

Zzzzzing!!

Cochise
12-16-2007, 06:03 PM
Gotta love hindsight.

This has got nothing to do with hindsight regarding the injury.

It's "how do you feel today, after seeing 14 games that testify to the state our team is in?"

I don't even think that's hindsight. I think this season was totally foreseeable.

dirk digler
12-16-2007, 06:03 PM
Gotta love hindsight.

Yep but with not having to play the majority of this season he could come back next year and play lights out.

So this could work out for us yet

Demonpenz
12-16-2007, 06:15 PM
If the chiefs traded larry johnson who would fill the void of jersey, fathead, and t shirt sales. He is #1 person to market especially in the 18-24 demographic.

GoTrav
12-16-2007, 07:48 PM
I doubt you can say picks. More than likely it would have been a 2nd, and only a 2nd. Making that trade would have given another reason for fans to place blame on something other than the actual problem though.

Simplex3
12-16-2007, 08:47 PM
Isn't hindsight great?
More than half the f**king board was saying this before the draft. For your statement to make any f**king sense this would have to be some sort of new opinion or attitude. It's not.

Count Alex's Losses
12-16-2007, 08:47 PM
I'm eagerly awaiting next season, when Larry Johnson proves all the doubters wrong.

Simplex3
12-16-2007, 08:50 PM
ohhh...and you don't pay RB's, so you wouldn't pay LT either?
With Turner sitting on the bench? I might have a hard time, actually. However, LT doesn't have an attitude problem and he does block. LT >>> than LJ.

ChiefsCountry
12-16-2007, 08:52 PM
I already got the nickname for our backfield next year:

The Whine & Cheese Backfield

Deberg_1990
12-16-2007, 08:53 PM
I'm eagerly awaiting next season, when Larry Johnson proves all the doubters wrong.


Im kinda with ya on this one.

I think hes gonna come back strong.

People forget that he did make a few big plays in the first half of the year and the game he got injured in (Green Bay) he made a huge catch and TD run.

Mr. Laz
12-16-2007, 08:53 PM
Isn't hindsight great?
shit ....... some of us have been saying that forever.


say it BEFORE and your an idiot

say it afterwards and hindsight is great


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