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Count Zarth
12-16-2007, 10:09 PM
I'm glad JoPo wrote this one. It covers up the stench of the last one.

http://www.kansascity.com/180/story/406888.html

JOE POSNANSKI COMMENTARY
THE FANS ARE FLEEING

Arrowhead Stadium hasn’t been like this for a long, long time. Here are some of my scribbled notes from the day:

No traffic. One scalper, and he’s looking to buy a parking pass. Barren parking lot. Where’s the barbecue smell? Stadium half-empty at the start. Boos. “Fire Herm” sign. More boos. Why is Eddie Drummond playing? Three people holding “Get … Over … It” signs. Now two-thirds empty. Three fans taunt Chiefs offensive tackle Damion McIntosh. He barks back. A “Bring on the Royals” sign.

Scoreboard’s final reading: Tennessee 26, Kansas City 17.

“What happened to home-field advantage,” someone asked Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen, who did not hesitate.

“It’s gone,” he barked. “We have no home-field advantage. That’s not a knock on the fans. It’s on us. We have no home-field advantage. We can’t win at home.”

Everyone knew coming into Sunday’s game that this could be the low point, not just for the season but for the entire 19-year Carl Peterson Chiefs era. The Chiefs had lost six games in a row coming in. The roads were still a bit slippery after the snowstorm. The wind chill at kickoff was 14 degrees. The Tennessee Titans play boring football. They play boring football better than the Chiefs, yes, but it’s boring just the same. Who would brave all that to watch this game?

People did. I suspect there were five types of fans at the game: (1) incredibly loyal fans; (2) incredibly frustrated fans; (3) people who paid way too much for their tickets to let them go to waste; (4) Titans and Vince Young fans; (5) people who got free tickets and figured, “Aw, what the heck.”

And there they were, about 45,000 of those fans, maybe even 50,000 at kickoff, all bracing against the cold, and dealing in their own ways with the end of this lousy season. The game itself went precisely as you might expect. The Chiefs played an ugly but reasonably effective first half — quarterback Brodie Croyle looked the best he has looked, which is the one good positive thing you could take out of this game. The Chiefs led by four at halftime. It was familiar. In eight of their last nine games now the Chiefs have either led at halftime or been tied.

At least 10,000 people left. They had seen this show before.

In the second half, the Chiefs did what they have been doing pretty much every week — they fell apart. They got outscored 16-3 in that second half, they gave up the big play, turned the ball over twice (Croyle threw two interceptions) and committed crushing penalties. They lost their fifth consecutive home game, first time that’s happened around here since ’76, when MacArthur Lane led the Chiefs in rushing and before “MacArthur Park” was released by Donna Summer.

“I don’t know what the hell is going on,” Allen said. “It’s like, one bad thing happens, and we just fall apart. … Maybe we’re just happy with playing close. I don’t know what it is. But it’s obviously a habit for us now. We’ve almost won a lot of games. That’s what we do. We almost win. Maybe there are too many people OK with that.”

There was a lot of talk like that in the locker room — angry talk, frustration, confusion. The Chiefs were 4-3 at one point this season, in first place in the AFC West, And while it was clear that they were mostly winning by using that noted football formula “Smoke plus mirrors,” nobody expected the season to just crumble the way it has. The Chiefs finished their home season at 2-6, their worst home record since the schedule expanded to 16 games. In the seven-game losing streak, they have been outscored in the second half 119-35. The Chiefs have not scored a single point in the fourth quarter in six straight games.

“Embarrassing,” Chiefs tight end Tony Gonzalez said, also for the sixth straight week. Gonzalez admitted that he has more or less run out of things to say. This season is the kind of football nightmare he never expected to be living. He’s almost 32 years old, he’s been playing for the Chiefs for 11 years, and he has never won a playoff game. Now, he looks around and wonders how things are going to get better. Sure it hurts.

“I don’t know how many more years I’m going to play,” he said. “Especially in this environment.”

So yes, the cup of frustration runneth over in the locker room and in the coaching offices and in the executive suites, too. But we’ve seen all that before. What we have not seen — not to this extent, not in a long time — is a mostly empty Arrowhead Stadium filled with negative signs and raging fans who vow to never come back. The Chiefs have managed in one traumatic season to alienate the city in a way that has not been true since the 1980s.

And this provides Chiefs president Carl Peterson with an overwhelming challenge. We’ve gone over his record again and again, but one thing Peterson has always managed to do is give Chiefs’ fans hope. When he arrived, he immediately hired Marty Schottenheimer, could build a winner. When the team got better but could not quite break through and win the AFC West, he brought in aging legends Joe Montana and Marcus Allen. When Gunther Cunningham was coach and the team seemed to be drifting, he fired his old friend Gun and brought in Dick Vermeil and his offensive circus. When the defense faltered, he brought back his old friend Gun to save the day.

What now? This team has hit bottom. They have to start over. And the fans are quickly moving from anger to apathy. It will take some real magic to get people excited about this team this offseason.

“Major changes,” Gonzalez said. “They have to.”

It all makes you wonder what things will look like next year at Arrowhead. For 15-plus years, everybody wore red on Fridays, the Arrowhead parking lot smelled like Arthur Bryant’s at lunch time, the stadium was filled, the Chiefs were nearly unbeatable, and Kansas City’s identity was tied up in these Sundays.

Now? A fan e-mailed Sunday — he said that he had been a Chiefs season ticket holder for 40-plus years. He sat through the worst of times — through the Steve Fuller years, two strikes, the Todd Blackledge experience, the playoff heartbreaks. He gave up the tickets. He writes: “At 86 years old … I guess that’s enough.”

Lots of people of all ages seem to be thinking the same thing.

Tribal Warfare
12-16-2007, 10:16 PM
Carl- "It's gonna be okay............."

L.A. Chieffan
12-16-2007, 10:18 PM
"In eight of their last nine games now the Chiefs have either led at halftime or been tied."

Brutal

Smed1065
12-16-2007, 10:19 PM
We make money and value rises over 20 million a year.

Fans?

I need to feed my family!


The Hunt.
Oilmen........

Fairplay
12-16-2007, 10:27 PM
We suck. Fans getting tired of this team being embarresing. We have good players here and there. I feel sorry for them. Bottom line the coaches and Carl are to blame.
Fans need to keep up the pressure on them. Maybe something will change.

Mecca
12-16-2007, 10:29 PM
Yea I heard Gonzalez talk......

He basically sounded like he wanted them to go sign 30 FAs. He made comments like "psh the draft those are kids they don't know anything they can't help us"

dirk digler
12-16-2007, 10:37 PM
Yea I heard Gonzalez talk......

He basically sounded like he wanted them to go sign 30 FAs. He made comments like "psh the draft those are kids they don't know anything they can't help us"

What do expect a 12-yr veteran to say? I bet he is real excited about rebuilding when he only has 2-3 yrs left.

Fruit Ninja
12-16-2007, 10:38 PM
i bet he is regretting signing with KC again. lol

Mecca
12-16-2007, 10:40 PM
What do expect a 12-yr veteran to say? I bet he is real excited about rebuilding when he only has 2-3 yrs left.

To be perfectly honest.......I'd like for him to shut up. He knew what the team was when he chose to stay. If he didn't like it that much he could have left.....

Don't sign with a shitty team for a huge contract then turn around and bitch and moan about it....He knew he wouldn't get that much on the open market so he took the money and stayed here now he bitches the Chiefs aren't a great team..he should of known that before he signed...

It doesn't work both ways. If you wanna win hey sign a long paying deal with a good team, if you choose to take the money, shut up and deal with being on a bad team.

Tribal Warfare
12-16-2007, 10:42 PM
It doesn't work both ways. If you wanna win hey sign a long paying deal with a good team, if you choose to take the money, shut up and deal with being on a bad team.


Sad but true

DaneMcCloud
12-16-2007, 10:43 PM
Yea I heard Gonzalez talk......

He basically sounded like he wanted them to go sign 30 FAs. He made comments like "psh the draft those are kids they don't know anything they can't help us"

IF Clark Hunt fires everybody, brings in a new front office and coaching staff, Gonzalez will be at least 34 before that move reaps any benefits. IF it reaps any benefits.

What would you expect if YOU were TG?

Mecca
12-16-2007, 10:43 PM
That shoulda said low not long...sorry about that.

Mecca
12-16-2007, 10:44 PM
IF Clark Hunt fires everybody, brings in a new front office and coaching staff, Gonzalez will be at least 34 before that move reaps any benefits. IF it reaps any benefits.

What would you expect if YOU were TG?

If I wanted to win more than I wanted 17 million dollars I would have signed with a different team. Unless Gonzalez is a total boob he knew what position this team was in.

BigChiefFan
12-16-2007, 10:45 PM
I think Gonzo is just a very competitive player and it pisses him off that others don't put out as much effort as he does. Gonzo is the consumate professional, I'm sure he's just very frustrated with another mediocre year.

dirk digler
12-16-2007, 10:45 PM
To be perfectly honest.......I'd like for him to shut up. He knew what the team was when he chose to stay. If he didn't like it that much he could have left.....

Don't sign with a shitty team for a huge contract then turn around and bitch and moan about it....He knew he wouldn't get that much on the open market so he took the money and stayed here now he bitches the Chiefs aren't a great team..he should of known that before he signed...

It doesn't work both ways. If you wanna win hey sign a long paying deal with a good team, if you choose to take the money, shut up and deal with being on a bad team.

That is BS Mecca. He signed because he wanted to stay with the same team for his entire career but he is a competitive person and he doesn't like to lose.

Also they were barely playoff team last year but I doubt he had any inkling that they would be 4-10 this year.

He has earned the right to say whatever the **** he wants to say because he is a HOF player.

philfree
12-16-2007, 10:47 PM
"In eight of their last nine games now the Chiefs have either led at halftime or been tied."

Brutal

That points directly to the coaching staff. We come out after the half and don't make any good adjustments and don't have any fire. I believe in giving a coach three years to have his ship heading the right direction but i'm beginning to think herm should only get two.

PhilFree:arrow:

BigChiefFan
12-16-2007, 10:48 PM
It's not like Gonzo is having a press conference and announcing all this to the world Somebody shoves a microphone in his face and they ask him questions. I'm not going to throw Tony under the bus because I don't believe he's done anything wrong in this instance.

Mecca
12-16-2007, 10:50 PM
Alright that's fine, but honestly unless he's a total boob he knew this wasn't a superbowl team.

I still think by the time we're any good he'll be done...

Count Zarth
12-16-2007, 10:52 PM
Alright that's fine, but honestly unless he's a total boob he knew this wasn't a superbowl team.

I still think by the time we're any good he'll be done...

Imagine how awesome it would feel to see a broken down Tony Gonzalez catch the winning touchdown in Super Bowl 46.

DaneMcCloud
12-16-2007, 10:58 PM
Alright that's fine, but honestly unless he's a total boob he knew this wasn't a superbowl team.

Tony left the boobs to October.




Which is, ironically, the last time they won a game.

RedThat
12-16-2007, 11:01 PM
Alright that's fine, but honestly unless he's a total boob he knew this wasn't a superbowl team.

I still think by the time we're any good he'll be done...

I still think Tony G can play at a high level for another 5 years. He hasn't dropped off at all.

Cochise
12-16-2007, 11:24 PM
I don't care about this for anyone as much as Tony Gonzalez.

Tits McGee
12-16-2007, 11:25 PM
Gonzo deserves better, cut the guy loose to a team that has chance to win.
KC won't see a prime time game in the next 4 years. Nice legacy Carl, finish exactly where you started, dead last.

KCJohnny
12-16-2007, 11:54 PM
I don't care about this for anyone as much as Tony Gonzalez.

I wouldn't blame Gonzo if he did a Neil Smith and went after a ring. Just don't go to Denver, Tony.

DaneMcCloud
12-17-2007, 01:58 AM
I wouldn't blame Gonzo if he did a Neil Smith and went after a ring. Just don't go to Denver, Tony.

His option to do so expired a long time ago

Neil Smith was offered a better contract to stay with KC in November 1996. He and his agent thought they could do better financially.

They didn't.

Smith ended up signing with Denver for a much lower salary but did earn two Super Bowl rings as a part timer.

Regardless of sentiment, Carl did the RIGHT thing in not investing HUGE money into Smith's contract.

That may have been the LAST time he made the correct decision in that particular scenario.

Extra Point
12-17-2007, 07:41 AM
"Get over it!"

And Herm's gonna break out his top hat, coattails, and cane on Tuesday, and he's gonna wail:

"We gotta get over
Before we go under
Time's getting short, Lord
Hah! Hmm! Good God"

Rausch
12-17-2007, 07:52 AM
I don't see the defense getting blown up. It played well the first 1/2 of the year and with a few underachievers replaced (Bell, Nappy, 1/2 our DT's) we'll be a top 10 defense. I'm not a big Hali fan either. I've yet to see his 1st round production.

On offense we can look at Bowe, the RB position, and Gonzo as strengths. Other than that I don't care who goes as long as most of them do...

duncan_idaho
12-17-2007, 08:19 AM
You know what I think was the most telling thing in JoePo’s column?

Allen’s quote about the Chiefs just being happy to be close.

Hmmmm.

Now, which person in a position of leadership is all about JUST BEING CLOSE in the fourth quarter? Who is ALL ABOUT having a CHANCE in the fourth quarter? Whose ENTIRE philosophy is to simply have an opportunity to win the game?

Oh yeah, it’s Hermie.

If the team exhibits a “happy to be close” attitude, there’s only one person to blame.

It’s pretty simple. In sports, if you play not to lose, you lose. If you play to have “a chance,” you usually don’t. Or you usually only get one.

Iowanian
12-17-2007, 08:54 AM
If the Chiefs have any respect for Gonzales....they'll trade him to a contender.


I'd like to tell JoPo that this fan base did NOT quit on the Chiefs because of 1 dismal season. Its the culmination of many, many disappointing seasons with this giant Shit-Cherry on top.

I think fans are ready to rebuild....but they expected to see reason to believe the team was working to get better. My ultimate frustration is that even though we KNEW it was a rebuild...they blew smoke and Huard and Aged Olinemen up our arses for 10 weeks.


I can't see Allen signing a deal with Carl here....and a shitty team around him.

siberian khatru
12-17-2007, 09:04 AM
I'd like to tell JoPo that this fan base did NOT quit on the Chiefs because of 1 dismal season. Its the culmination of many, many disappointing seasons with this giant Shit-Cherry on top.




This is what worries me with Clark. He'll fool himself into thinking "Ah, it's just one really bad season. Heck, we just missed the playoffs in 05 and we made the playoffs in 06 ..."

That MAY work re: Herm. I said MAY. But the sand has run out of Carl's hourglass. His 19th season has been his worst -- in fact, the team may be in worse shape now than it was when he took over. He's never reached a Super Bowl, he hasn't won a playoff game in 14 years and his most consistent regular-season success occurred a decade ago.

There is absolutely no logical reason why he should remain GM, nor should any of his lieutenants who share his philosophy be allowed to take over. The Carl Way has reached the end of the line. The era must be OVER.

Delano
12-17-2007, 09:10 AM
If the Chiefs have any respect for Gonzales....they'll trade him to a contender.

Carl's drafted hall-of-famer will not be traded away.

BigChiefFan
12-17-2007, 09:15 AM
I'd like to tell JoPo that this fan base did NOT quit on the Chiefs because of 1 dismal season. Its the culmination of many, many disappointing seasons with this giant Shit-Cherry on top.


Agreed. You would think JoPo would know that, but he's kind of an ass-kisser and definitely a blind homer. If he's seeing it , that's a good sign that the masses are feed up.

BigRedChief
12-17-2007, 09:32 AM
Agreed. You would think JoPo would know that, but he's kind of an ass-kisser and definitely a blind homer. If he's seeing it , that's a good sign that the masses are feed up.
Old KC saying....

When you lose JOPO your days are numbered in KC.

ChiefButthurt
12-17-2007, 09:57 AM
I think Gonzo is just a very competitive player and it pisses him off that others don't put out as much effort as he does. Gonzo is the consumate professional, I'm sure he's just very frustrated with another mediocre year.

MEDIOCRE? We could only wish.

KCChiefsFan88
12-17-2007, 09:58 AM
This is excellent news...

A half empty stadium, the trademark "Sea of Smoke" in the parking and "Sea of Red" in the stadium gone and the KC Star exposing this for all to read about is what is needed to continue the push in getting Clark Hunt to pull the plug on the Dictator Carl/Herm fiasco.

We know the Hunt family has never really cared about winning a Super Bowl... but a half empty stadium and not being able to rake in those inflated parking fees might just push Clark over the edge

Sure-Oz
12-17-2007, 09:58 AM
Mediocre is 8-8 and 9-7, that is what carl hopes for every year, now we just plain suck ass.

StcChief
12-17-2007, 10:07 AM
at this point what ever works for change is ok. To bad Chiefs don't have another Home game in cold Dec to show that 10K fans appear and leave by half time with no one but visiting fans around.

BigChiefFan
12-17-2007, 10:12 AM
Guys, the mediocre comment was for the entire body of work Tony G. has had to suffer through.

TEX
12-17-2007, 11:08 AM
“I don’t know what the hell is going on,” Allen said. “It’s like, one bad thing happens, and we just fall apart. … Maybe we’re just happy with playing close. I don’t know what it is. But it’s obviously a habit for us now. We’ve almost won a lot of games. That’s what we do. We almost win. Maybe there are too many people OK with that.”

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Two words - Herm Edwards. :loser: