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the Talking Can
12-16-2007, 10:18 PM
Croyle’s latest start ends in defeat against Titans
By KENT BABB
The Kansas City Star

Brodie Croyle faced the questions, his body intact but his ego and his outlook bruised.

What are the Chiefs’ problems? Why have they lost seven consecutive games? How can the team make it right?

And is Croyle the quarterback to do it?

Croyle, the Chiefs’ second-year quarterback, lost again Sunday. This time it was a 26-17 defeat against the Tennessee Titans at Arrowhead Stadium.

He is 0-4 since replacing Damon Huard in the starting lineup Nov. 18. It is a worst-case scenario for Croyle, a quiet youngster charged with leading the Chiefs out of their worst funk in 22 years.

“I thought we would win by now, but we haven’t,” said Croyle, a third-round pick in the 2006 NFL draft. “It’s reality. You deal with it.

“This is extremely frustrating.”

Ask around. This season is lost. The Chiefs clung this past week to bright spots anywhere they could find them. Encouraging practices. Offseason changes. Next year.

Another of those bright spots appears to be Croyle. He is one of the few remaining investments the Chiefs have this season, one of the few things to play for.

Coach Herm Edwards said after Sunday’s game that the staff will spend the offseason building the team around Croyle. In Kansas City’s final two games, road contests against Detroit and the New York Jets, the staff will continue identifying Croyle’s talents, his shortcomings and what the former Alabama standout needs to be successful. It is in those games that Croyle will be tested and questioned and forced to grow, even as the Chiefs collapse.

But as questions continue to plague the Chiefs, Croyle’s teammates say the quarterback’s job security is not among them.

“I think he’s growing,” wide receiver Eddie Kennison said. “That’s what the organization wants to see. That’s why they drafted him. Every young guy has to progress in some way. He’s definitely showing them. They said they want him to be the future of this organization, and I think he will be.”

Croyle took his longest steps yet toward the future Sunday. He was 25 of 43 for 217 yards and two touchdowns. All of those statistics were career highs. He also avoided a sack for the first time in his four starts.

Still, Croyle found little to be encouraged about.

“I took some steps forward,” Croyle said, “but I took some steps backward.”

Croyle’s steps in reverse Sunday came in two second-half interceptions — the second of which he admitted not seeing linebacker David Thornton. But the misfires came after Croyle led scoring drives on consecutive possessions in which he was nine of 16. He showed patience and poise against a Titans pass rush that hurried him twice and knocked him down once.

It was his mistakes, though, that will raise questions about Croyle’s stock. The Chiefs’ seven consecutive losses are the most since 1985. They are 4-10 and are in prime position to possess a top-10 draft pick in April’s draft. With star quarterbacks such as Boston College’s Matt Ryan and Louisville’s Brian Brohm expected to be top-10 picks, Edwards and Chiefs general manager Carl Peterson might be tempted to spend the team’s first pick to silence the questions surrounding Croyle.

At least two of Croyle’s favorite targets, Kennison and tight end Tony Gonzalez, said such a move would be a mistake.

“Brodie, he is the quarterback,” Gonzalez said. “A lot of people are saying, ‘This draft, go out there and get a quarterback.’ Nah. Brodie is the guy.”

Croyle’s performance Sunday was the first example that he is ready for the responsibility. He made mistakes, sure, but Edwards said none of them was beyond the coach’s expectations for a young quarterback.

Edwards said one of the team’s top priorities is to protect Croyle. Another draft possibility is a solid left tackle. But the team’s more immediate priority is to protect Croyle’s confidence. Kennison said he is close with Croyle and already has begun studying the 24-year-old quarterback for signs his poise has been shaken. So far, Kennison said, he hasn’t detected any signs.

“Brodie’s a tough kid, man,” Kennison said. “This won’t make him or break him.”

Still, Croyle faced the questions after the Chiefs’ most recent loss. More are certain to follow if the Chiefs lose one or both of their final games.

But the losses and the questions and how he answers it all will define Croyle’s career, Gonzalez said. That Croyle’s ego and outlook are bruised might not be all bad, Gonzalez said.

“It’s good for him to go through this. Honestly. It is,” Gonzalez said. “Anything in life — you’ll never know how sweet the mountaintop is unless you go through some valleys. And right now, he’s going through a little valley. All of us are. I do hope that next year is going to be better.

“He’s going to come around. He’s got a great arm. He’s got a good future. He’s definitely the guy for this job.”


http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/406887.html

KC Tattoo
12-16-2007, 10:28 PM
If Tony says so then HELL YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's all I need to hear. Brodie is the man. Brodie is going to be an awesome QB for us for a long time. Brodie needs help and some confidense. He has the skill and mindset to become a leader on this team he will become an elite QB in this leage I just know it.

Count Zarth
12-16-2007, 10:44 PM
I don't like Babb's writing style.

BigChiefFan
12-16-2007, 10:51 PM
Tony also sad Herm is the right man for the job. Great athlete, but I don't take what he says as the gospel.

Tribal Warfare
12-16-2007, 10:52 PM
It pisses me off with these insinuations by media heads that KC should burn their 1st round pick on a QB when we already have one.

Tribal Warfare
12-16-2007, 11:16 PM
Another thing, at least 3 plays were called back when Croyle made on good play after another, and thus killing momentum.

philfree
12-16-2007, 11:28 PM
Croyle is the guy and we also have Thigpin what we need is good #2 behind Croyle. I'd say signing Pennington after he is released would be a good move. Some will disagree I'm sure but I think he would help Croyle and Thigpin become better players and he'd be decent off the bench if needed.

PhilFree:arrow:

a1na2
12-16-2007, 11:34 PM
Croyle is the guy and we also have Thigpin what we need is good #2 behind Croyle. I'd say signing Pennington after he is released would be a good move. Some will disagree I'm sure but I think he would help Croyle and Thigpin become better players and he'd be decent off the bench if needed.

PhilFree:arrow:

If we are going to do a rebuild and stick with the youth Pennington should be out. Huard needed to be gone last year but we kept him and slowed the progress of Croyle. He needed to be thrown into the fire.

philfree
12-16-2007, 11:37 PM
If we are going to do a rebuild and stick with the youth Pennington should be out. Huard needed to be gone last year but we kept him and slowed the progress of Croyle. He needed to be thrown into the fire.

So we want three inexperienced QBs on the roster? We will still be getting younger even if we sign a vet as a back up. Doesn't have to be Pennington but we need at least one experienced single caller as well as a good young QB coach.

PhilFree:arrow:

a1na2
12-16-2007, 11:44 PM
So we want three inexperienced QBs on the roster? We will still be getting younger even if we sign a vet as a back up. Doesn't have to be Pennington but we need at least one experienced single caller as well as a good young QB coach.

PhilFree:arrow:

We know that Huard sucks. We also know that Pennington is not a great QB, but only a buddy of the HC. I don't have any confidence in the HC and his decisions are suspect at best.

I would rather go with three untested QB's rather than to have someone there that would be a crutch that wouldn't get us any closer to the SB. At least with the inexperienced guys there we might have a chance of developing one into a perpetual Pro-bowl caliber QB. (seemed to have worked for Aikman in Dallas)

Tribal Warfare
12-16-2007, 11:46 PM
We also know that Pennington is not a great QB, but only a buddy of the HC.



He has the smarts for the position, but not the athletic ability.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-16-2007, 11:47 PM
Brodie Croyle can lead an NFL team, and do it well.

a1na2
12-16-2007, 11:48 PM
He has the smarts for the position, but not the athletic ability.

OK, make him the QB coach. It would cost less.

el borracho
12-17-2007, 12:09 AM
I like what I have seen of Croyle so far. I really hope we do not take a QB early in the draft.

Tribal Warfare
12-17-2007, 12:13 AM
I like what I have seen of Croyle so far. I really hope we do not take a QB early in the draft.


They at least have to give a Croyle a full year's chance like St. Huard, and in my opinion they will

blueballs
12-17-2007, 12:15 AM
If Croyle was any kind of man or leader he would have
bitch slapped Bowe and Webb on the field of play /halfcan

Smed1065
12-17-2007, 12:16 AM
If we are going to do a rebuild and stick with the youth Pennington should be out. Huard needed to be gone last year but we kept him and slowed the progress of Croyle. He needed to be thrown into the fire.


TY

Full rebuild era.......

Duh.........

Smed1065
12-17-2007, 12:26 AM
Come om Pennington zzzzzzzzz1
ROFLMA

Stir!

Smed1065
12-17-2007, 12:27 AM
Brodie Croyle can lead an NFL team, and do it well.

I am worried now!

philfree
12-17-2007, 12:42 AM
I guess if we wanted to go the youth route and create sompetition for Croyle we could try and get Colt Brennan in the 3rd round.
Or if he's gonna be picked before then we could pakage our 3rd a fith and a 7th to trade up to knab in the 2nd round.
PhilFree:arrow:

DaneMcCloud
12-17-2007, 02:12 AM
I guess if we wanted to go the youth route and create sompetition for Croyle we could try and get Colt Brennan in the 3rd round.
Or if he's gonna be picked before then we could pakage our 3rd a fith and a 7th to trade up to knab in the 2nd round.
PhilFree:arrow:

A third and a seven don't equal a two.

Look at Jimmy Johnson's chart for actual trade value (he and a few others invented it in Dallas).

Regardless, two 3rd round QB's don't automatically equal success.

Or Super Bowl.

Best available athlete. Regardless of position.

philfree
12-17-2007, 02:34 AM
A third and a seven don't equal a two.

Look at Jimmy Johnson's chart for actual trade value (he and a few others invented it in Dallas).

Regardless, two 3rd round QB's don't automatically equal success.

Or Super Bowl.

Best available athlete. Regardless of position.

Nothing guarantees success. And it was a 3rd a 5th and 7th....testy!

PhilFree:arrow:

ChiefFan31
12-17-2007, 03:22 AM
Agreed, I won't take what Tony says as gospel, but it is nice to hear him give Brodie a ringing endorsement to the media.

I like what I saw out of Brodie earlier today. He made some good throws and showed some solid improvement. He got ROCKED by VadenBosch after a throw and got back up and didn't say a word. I like that. He also did make some mistakes, as expected.

Too bad we didn't start him after the Chargers game, but I will go ahead and blame Carl for that one, he was still trying to win now. Of course, the only reason he has finally uttered the word 'rebuilding' is to save his own ass, but that is another subject...


I don't see the Chiefs drafting a QB R1, but the question for me is...will they reach for Long? I am of the mindset that we will finish 4-12. Edit - I would rather phrase that as will they draft based on need, or BPA.

TEX
12-17-2007, 05:17 AM
“I thought we would win by now, but we haven’t,” said Croyle, a third-round pick in the 2006 NFL draft. “It’s reality. You deal with it.
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He forgot to tell us to," Get over it!" - :rolleyes:

TEX
12-17-2007, 05:22 AM
Coach Herm Edwards said after Sunday’s game that the staff will spend the offseason building the team around Croyle. In Kansas City’s final two games, road contests against Detroit and the New York Jets, the staff will continue identifying Croyle’s talents, his shortcomings and what the former Alabama standout needs to be successful.
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Being analyzed by a bunch of retards isn't gonna accomplish anything. :shake:
Maybe Brodie can use the last 2 games to identify the coaching staff's shortcomings, and tell Clark so a new staff will be brought in next year - so he'll at least have a chance. . :hmmm:

Ozarks-Chiefs-Fan
12-17-2007, 05:26 AM
Tony also said the Chiefs would be good this year.

MahiMike
12-17-2007, 06:06 AM
It truly is the only positive of this season that they're actually playing a young QB in meaningless games. And that he's holding his own. 2 ints? Hell, Favre and others do that in a half of a game.

blueballs
12-17-2007, 06:22 AM
Tony G and Brodie C
wife swoping

siberian khatru
12-17-2007, 06:29 AM
It was his mistakes, though, that will raise questions about Croyle’s stock.

Yeah, how dare a 2nd-year QB making his 4th NFL start make any mistakes. That is unacceptable. Must question his worth. Must kick him to the curb and find that guy who can light it up from Day 1 and play flawless football.

What shitful rubbish.

InChiefsHell
12-17-2007, 06:38 AM
Yeah, how dare a 2nd-year QB making his 4th NFL start make any mistakes. That is unacceptable. Must question his worth. Must kick him to the curb and find that guy who can light it up from Day 1 and play flawless football.

What shitful rubbish.

Not to mention the OLine issues. Shit, Brody looks like God out there considering the circumstances...and some of the drops yesterday were absolute killers...

HemiEd
12-17-2007, 06:44 AM
Another thing, at least 3 plays were called back when Croyle made on good play after another, and thus killing momentum.
Yep, three holding calls on nice completions by Brodie.

Short Leash Hootie
12-17-2007, 06:55 AM
Just remind me to bench Gonzalez everytime Croyle plays...that is why Huard was winning games...Huard was awful but at least he threw the ball to Tony Gonzalez when in doubt...Tony pulls in a lot of catches he has no business making...someone needs to pound into Brodie's head that it's ok to throw to Tony Gonzalez every once in a while, even if he isn't wide open.

Rausch
12-17-2007, 07:37 AM
Get him a ****ing line and lets see what happens. A dependable 3rd down target wouldn't hurt either...

Chiefnj2
12-17-2007, 07:40 AM
Tony G will go down in history as the greatest TE to have never sniffed a playoff victory.

CupidStunt
12-17-2007, 07:42 AM
Those comments reek of spending the top-6 pick on OT regardless of whatever circumstances there may be on draft day. I really hope they're not that stupid.