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Count Alex's Losses
12-18-2007, 12:45 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/407937.html

Many things about this wasted Chiefs season trouble Tony Gonzalez. Knowing that he will be a teammate for only two more weeks to close friend, locker-room neighbor and fellow tight end Jason Dunn is near the top of his list.

“I think about that every day,” Gonzalez said Monday. “If they get rid of (Dunn), that’s one of my best friends in life. It’s sad, but it’s part of the game.”

The final dismantling of what was as recently as two years ago a great offense will begin in two weeks, once the 4-10 Chiefs finish their season. Dunn, center Casey Wiegmann, guard John Welbourn and wide receiver Eddie Kennison probably will all play their final game for the Chiefs on Dec. 30 against the Jets in New York.

They will then join the previously departed Willie Roaf, Will Shields, Priest Holmes, Trent Green and Tony Richardson. Gonzalez and guard Brian Waters will next season be all that remains of an offense that was consistently among the NFL leaders in scoring and yardage.

Gonzalez took a moment to reflect on that Monday. Sad? Perhaps. But necessary?

Definitely. The Chiefs are on pace to score the fewest points in their history, the nine-game, strike-shortened 1982 season notwithstanding.

“I look at it all the time,” Gonzalez said. “I run those scenarios through my head. It can’t stay the same. That’s the thing. We have to do whatever it takes. It’s going to hurt some people’s feelings. It’s going to break up some relationships. It’s not going to happen any other way.

“Whatever they decide to do, I would think it’s in the best interests of the team, and at this point, that’s fine. After losing seven games in a row, I feel like, ‘Do whatever you’ve got to do, and I’ll get over it.’ ”

Gonzalez even threw himself into the discussion, saying the Chiefs should consider trading him if they believe the deal would make them stronger.

“I’ll put myself in that, too, if they wanted to, if they wanted to trade this older guy and get some good younger players and develop them,” Gonzalez said. “Why not? I’m not playing that much longer.”

Gonzalez, who signed a new long-term contract last winter, isn’t realistically going anywhere. Dunn, Wiegmann, Welbourn and Kennison are.

Dunn is often overlooked, but his powerful blocking was a key part of the Chiefs’ success in the running game. Wiegmann was a small but productive player who fit perfectly into an athletic offensive line.

Welbourn filled holes in the offensive line, first at tackle and this year at guard. Kennison was the Chiefs’ top wide receiver and gained more than 1,000 yards in both 2004 and 2005.

All lost their effectiveness this season and will be replaced. When they are, the old era will officially close with little to show for it but some gaudy statistics.

“I wouldn’t say we were a failure,” Kennison said. “We just didn’t accomplish what we wanted to accomplish. That doesn’t make anybody a failure.”

Kennison in January will be 35, an age considered elderly for his position. He missed all of six games this season and most of two others because of a pulled hamstring.

He has only 13 catches and 101 yards.

Those numbers probably won’t attract many contract offers, but Kennison said he intends to find out.

“I would love to finish my career here, but if I don’t, that won’t stop me from playing for somebody else,” he said. “I missed the first eight games because of a hamstring injury. I changed positions because they asked me to even though I had been putting up good numbers in my old position. So I sacrificed. I think people will see that.”

Count Alex's Losses
12-18-2007, 12:50 AM
Kennison sounds bitter. I'm guessing 90 percent of the Vermeil veterans don't buy into Herm's bullshit one bit. But that's OK. They can leave.

L.A. Chieffan
12-18-2007, 12:50 AM
So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, goodbye

BIG K
12-18-2007, 12:54 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/407937.html

Many things about this wasted Chiefs season trouble Tony Gonzalez. Knowing that he will be a teammate for only two more weeks to close friend, locker-room neighbor and fellow tight end Jason Dunn is near the top of his list.

“I think about that every day,” Gonzalez said Monday. “If they get rid of (Dunn), that’s one of my best friends in life. It’s sad, but it’s part of the game.”

The final dismantling of what was as recently as two years ago a great offense will begin in two weeks, once the 4-10 Chiefs finish their season. Dunn, center Casey Wiegmann, guard John Welbourn and wide receiver Eddie Kennison probably will all play their final game for the Chiefs on Dec. 30 against the Jets in New York.

They will then join the previously departed Willie Roaf, Will Shields, Priest Holmes, Trent Green and Tony Richardson. Gonzalez and guard Brian Waters will next season be all that remains of an offense that was consistently among the NFL leaders in scoring and yardage.

Gonzalez took a moment to reflect on that Monday. Sad? Perhaps. But necessary?

Definitely. The Chiefs are on pace to score the fewest points in their history, the nine-game, strike-shortened 1982 season notwithstanding.

“I look at it all the time,” Gonzalez said. “I run those scenarios through my head. It can’t stay the same. That’s the thing. We have to do whatever it takes. It’s going to hurt some people’s feelings. It’s going to break up some relationships. It’s not going to happen any other way.

“Whatever they decide to do, I would think it’s in the best interests of the team, and at this point, that’s fine. After losing seven games in a row, I feel like, ‘Do whatever you’ve got to do, and I’ll get over it.’ ”

Gonzalez even threw himself into the discussion, saying the Chiefs should consider trading him if they believe the deal would make them stronger.

“I’ll put myself in that, too, if they wanted to, if they wanted to trade this older guy and get some good younger players and develop them,” Gonzalez said. “Why not? I’m not playing that much longer.”

Gonzalez, who signed a new long-term contract last winter, isn’t realistically going anywhere. Dunn, Wiegmann, Welbourn and Kennison are.

Dunn is often overlooked, but his powerful blocking was a key part of the Chiefs’ success in the running game. Wiegmann was a small but productive player who fit perfectly into an athletic offensive line.

Welbourn filled holes in the offensive line, first at tackle and this year at guard. Kennison was the Chiefs’ top wide receiver and gained more than 1,000 yards in both 2004 and 2005.

All lost their effectiveness this season and will be replaced. When they are, the old era will officially close with little to show for it but some gaudy statistics.

“I wouldn’t say we were a failure,” Kennison said. “We just didn’t accomplish what we wanted to accomplish. That doesn’t make anybody a failure.”

Kennison in January will be 35, an age considered elderly for his position. He missed all of six games this season and most of two others because of a pulled hamstring.

He has only 13 catches and 101 yards.

Those numbers probably won’t attract many contract offers, but Kennison said he intends to find out.

“I would love to finish my career here, but if I don’t, that won’t stop me from playing for somebody else,” he said. “I missed the first eight games because of a hamstring injury. I changed positions because they asked me to even though I had been putting up good numbers in my old position. So I sacrificed. I think people will see that.”

My God that is a good article! You should be thankful of your God given talents as a writer!!

L.A. Chieffan
12-18-2007, 12:56 AM
My God that is a good article! You should be thankful of your God given talents as a writer!!

Who are you talking too? Adam Teicher?

Demonpenz
12-18-2007, 12:59 AM
bye bye hicks

BIG K
12-18-2007, 12:59 AM
Who are you talking too? Adam Teicher?

I will bring up God in every single one of dumbass' threads until he stops bringing up God...

Count Alex's Losses
12-18-2007, 01:03 AM
I will bring up God in every single one of dumbass' threads until he stops bringing up God...

I love God. Thanks.

ChiefaRoo
12-18-2007, 01:06 AM
I love God. Thanks.

idiot

Tribal Warfare
12-18-2007, 01:08 AM
Chiefs face reality, knowing end is near for some veterans


Yet, Carl's still in charge :shake:

smittysbar
12-18-2007, 01:26 AM
Chiefs face reality, knowing end is near for some veterans
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Many things about this wasted Chiefs season trouble Tony Gonzalez. Knowing that he will be a teammate for only two more weeks to close friend, locker-room neighbor and fellow tight end Jason Dunn is near the top of his list.

“I think about that every day,” Gonzalez said Monday. “If they get rid of (Dunn), that’s one of my best friends in life. It’s sad, but it’s part of the game.”

The final dismantling of what was as recently as two years ago a great offense will begin in two weeks, once the 4-10 Chiefs finish their season. Dunn, center Casey Wiegmann, guard John Welbourn and wide receiver Eddie Kennison probably will all play their final game for the Chiefs on Dec. 30 against the Jets in New York.

They will then join the previously departed Willie Roaf, Will Shields, Priest Holmes, Trent Green and Tony Richardson. Gonzalez and guard Brian Waters will next season be all that remains of an offense that was consistently among the NFL leaders in scoring and yardage.

Gonzalez took a moment to reflect on that Monday. Sad? Perhaps. But necessary?

Definitely. The Chiefs are on pace to score the fewest points in their history, the nine-game, strike-shortened 1982 season notwithstanding.

“I look at it all the time,” Gonzalez said. “I run those scenarios through my head. It can’t stay the same. That’s the thing. We have to do whatever it takes. It’s going to hurt some people’s feelings. It’s going to break up some relationships. It’s not going to happen any other way.

“Whatever they decide to do, I would think it’s in the best interests of the team, and at this point, that’s fine. After losing seven games in a row, I feel like, ‘Do whatever you’ve got to do, and I’ll get over it.’ ”

Gonzalez even threw himself into the discussion, saying the Chiefs should consider trading him if they believe the deal would make them stronger.

“I’ll put myself in that, too, if they wanted to, if they wanted to trade this older guy and get some good younger players and develop them,” Gonzalez said. “Why not? I’m not playing that much longer.”

Gonzalez, who signed a new long-term contract last winter, isn’t realistically going anywhere. Dunn, Wiegmann, Welbourn and Kennison are.

Dunn is often overlooked, but his powerful blocking was a key part of the Chiefs’ success in the running game. Wiegmann was a small but productive player who fit perfectly into an athletic offensive line.

Welbourn filled holes in the offensive line, first at tackle and this year at guard. Kennison was the Chiefs’ top wide receiver and gained more than 1,000 yards in both 2004 and 2005.

All lost their effectiveness this season and will be replaced. When they are, the old era will officially close with little to show for it but some gaudy statistics.

“I wouldn’t say we were a failure,” Kennison said. “We just didn’t accomplish what we wanted to accomplish. That doesn’t make anybody a failure.”

Kennison in January will be 35, an age considered elderly for his position. He missed all of six games this season and most of two others because of a pulled hamstring.

He has only 13 catches and 101 yards.

Those numbers probably won’t attract many contract offers, but Kennison said he intends to find out.

“I would love to finish my career here, but if I don’t, that won’t stop me from playing for somebody else,” he said. “I missed the first eight games because of a hamstring injury. I changed positions because they asked me to even though I had been putting up good numbers in my old position. So I sacrificed. I think people will see that.”



@ Go to KansasCity.com for Adam Teicher’s vlog, plus video on the start of renovation work Monday at Arrowhead Stadium.

To reach Adam Teicher, Chiefs reporter for The Star, send e-mail to ateicher@kcstar.com (ateicher@kcstar.com)

Count Alex's Losses
12-18-2007, 01:26 AM
This was just posted 45 minutes ago. Jeez.

smittysbar
12-18-2007, 01:29 AM
Just saw it Asshole.

Count Alex's Losses
12-18-2007, 01:31 AM
Just saw it Asshole.

You should check the board before you post an article. There's no reason to get snippy at me.

Tribal Warfare
12-18-2007, 01:31 AM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=176895

REP0ST

smittysbar
12-18-2007, 01:40 AM
You should check the board before you post an article. There's no reason to get snippy at me.

I did and missed it. My bad, it happens

blueballs
12-18-2007, 01:55 AM
Someone will take Tony G's comments
and turn it in to -he wants out of KC
bank on it

philfree
12-18-2007, 02:05 AM
I love Eddie, Tony, Trent,Will, Brian,T-Rich,Jason, Willie, And a huge cast of others for what they did as appossed to what they didin't do.

PhilFree:arrow:

BigRedChief
12-18-2007, 06:08 AM
Kennison sounds bitter. I'm guessing 90 percent of the Vermeil veterans don't buy into Herm's bullshit one bit. But that's OK. They can leave.
He's not worth $3.5 million+ that he will get next year. Play the young wide recievers.

DaKCMan AP
12-18-2007, 06:32 AM
I did and missed it. My bad, it happens

GET OVER IT! /Herm

chagrin
12-18-2007, 06:36 AM
Tony G is a classy guy, sticking around with this team for his career, it takes a real level of commitment, I hope he gets the honors he deserves when he ever retires.

TN_Chief
12-18-2007, 06:42 AM
Someone will take Tony G's comments
and turn it in to -he wants out of KC
bank on itWould you blame him if he did want out? Carmen Peterwards has ****ed this team up beyond their ability to repair it. I wouldn't blame TG if he wanted to go play somewhere he might have a better chance to win.

siberian khatru
12-18-2007, 07:29 AM
“I wouldn’t say we were a failure,” Kennison said. “We just didn’t accomplish what we wanted to accomplish. That doesn’t make anybody a failure.”

:spock:

TEX
12-18-2007, 07:44 AM
All lost their effectiveness this season and will be replaced. When they are, the old era will officially close with little to show for it but some gaudy statistics.
_____________________________________________________________

That's such ****ING BULL$HIT! It created a winning culture whereby every time the Chiefs took the field they knew they had a chance to win. They believed in the direction the team was heading. It was a very exciting time in KC football. It did mean something!

Now, since Herm & Co. have been diminishing the accomplishments of the old offense since day 1, the Chiefs are $UCK-A$$ LOSERS. They have a losers-mentality, they don't know how to win, there is no identity, there is no direction, players don't believe in the "plan." After Herm takes this franchise to new all time record lows and gets his A$$ FIRED, then the media will tell it like it is. This is a very low point in Chiefs history and he flat out $UCKS as a HC.

DaKCMan AP
12-18-2007, 07:47 AM
All lost their effectiveness this season and will be replaced. When they are, the old era will officially close with little to show for it but some gaudy statistics.
_____________________________________________________________

That's such ****ING BULL$HIT! It created a winning culture whereby every time the Chiefs took the field they knew they had a chance to win. They believed in the direction the team was heading. It was a very exciting time in KC football. It did mean something!

Now, since Herm & Co. have been diminishing the accomplishments of the old offense since day 1, the Chiefs are $UCK-A$$ LOSERS. They don't know how to win, there is no identity, there is no direction. After Herm takes this franchise to knew all time record lows and gets his A$$ FIRED, then the media will tell it like it is. This is a very low point in Chiefs history and he flat out $UCKS as a HC.

Yes, because 1 playoff appearance in 5 years is a big indicator of a winning culture, especially when compared to 1 playoff appearance in 2 years.

TEX
12-18-2007, 07:53 AM
Yes, because 1 playoff appearance in 5 years is a big indicator of a winning culture, especially when compared to 1 playoff appearance in 2 years.

You couldn't see your way if you tried. :shake:

I'll play - how about TWO 4-12 seasons in 3 years... :rolleyes:

DaKCMan AP
12-18-2007, 07:58 AM
You couldn't see your way if you tried. :shake:

I'll play - how about TWO 4-12 seasons in 3 years... :rolleyes:

We're going 4-12 next year?

HemiEd
12-18-2007, 07:58 AM
Woo hooo! Herm really excelled last year, he is the best! He has made me so proud to be a Chiefs fan with his fine work! I can't wait to see what he does next.

KCChiefsFan88
12-18-2007, 08:36 AM
Kennison sounds bitter. I'm guessing 90 percent of the Vermeil veterans don't buy into Herm's bullshit one bit. But that's OK. They can leave.

Why should they? They went from playing in the most explosive, diverse offense in the NFL to Herm/Slowarli's garbage offense.

Extra Point
12-18-2007, 09:20 AM
Kennison was done two years ago. Thanks, Carl.

Fish
12-18-2007, 09:22 AM
All lost their effectiveness this season and will be replaced. When they are, the old era will officially close with little to show for it but some gaudy statistics.
_____________________________________________________________

That's such ****ING BULL$HIT! It created a winning culture whereby every time the Chiefs took the field they knew they had a chance to win. They believed in the direction the team was heading. It was a very exciting time in KC football. It did mean something!

Now, since Herm & Co. have been diminishing the accomplishments of the old offense since day 1, the Chiefs are $UCK-A$$ LOSERS. They have a losers-mentality, they don't know how to win, there is no identity, there is no direction, players don't believe in the "plan." After Herm takes this franchise to new all time record lows and gets his A$$ FIRED, then the media will tell it like it is. This is a very low point in Chiefs history and he flat out $UCKS as a HC.

Ha ha.... somebody is stuck in the past......


pssst.... all that winning culture and direction couldn't force 1 single punt in the only playoff game it managed to get in to..... and lose...

InChiefsHell
12-18-2007, 10:22 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/407937.html

Wow. God Bless ya Tony...you are too good for this organization...

Chiefs face reality, knowing end is near for some veterans
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Tony Gonzalez understands KC must make changes and knows he’ll lose teammates.
With the team in rebuilding mode, veteran receiver Eddie Kennison is likely down to his final two games as a Chief.

Many things about this wasted Chiefs season trouble Tony Gonzalez. Knowing that he will be a teammate for only two more weeks to close friend, locker-room neighbor and fellow tight end Jason Dunn is near the top of his list.

“I think about that every day,” Gonzalez said Monday. “If they get rid of (Dunn), that’s one of my best friends in life. It’s sad, but it’s part of the game.”

The final dismantling of what was as recently as two years ago a great offense will begin in two weeks, once the 4-10 Chiefs finish their season. Dunn, center Casey Wiegmann, guard John Welbourn and wide receiver Eddie Kennison probably will all play their final game for the Chiefs on Dec. 30 against the Jets in New York.

They will then join the previously departed Willie Roaf, Will Shields, Priest Holmes, Trent Green and Tony Richardson. Gonzalez and guard Brian Waters will next season be all that remains of an offense that was consistently among the NFL leaders in scoring and yardage.

Gonzalez took a moment to reflect on that Monday. Sad? Perhaps. But necessary?

Definitely. The Chiefs are on pace to score the fewest points in their history, the nine-game, strike-shortened 1982 season notwithstanding.

“I look at it all the time,” Gonzalez said. “I run those scenarios through my head. It can’t stay the same. That’s the thing. We have to do whatever it takes. It’s going to hurt some people’s feelings. It’s going to break up some relationships. It’s not going to happen any other way.

“Whatever they decide to do, I would think it’s in the best interests of the team, and at this point, that’s fine. After losing seven games in a row, I feel like, ‘Do whatever you’ve got to do, and I’ll get over it.’ ”

Gonzalez even threw himself into the discussion, saying the Chiefs should consider trading him if they believe the deal would make them stronger.

“I’ll put myself in that, too, if they wanted to, if they wanted to trade this older guy and get some good younger players and develop them,” Gonzalez said. “Why not? I’m not playing that much longer.”

Gonzalez, who signed a new long-term contract last winter, isn’t realistically going anywhere. Dunn, Wiegmann, Welbourn and Kennison are.

Dunn is often overlooked, but his powerful blocking was a key part of the Chiefs’ success in the running game. Wiegmann was a small but productive player who fit perfectly into an athletic offensive line.

Welbourn filled holes in the offensive line, first at tackle and this year at guard. Kennison was the Chiefs’ top wide receiver and gained more than 1,000 yards in both 2004 and 2005.

All lost their effectiveness this season and will be replaced. When they are, the old era will officially close with little to show for it but some gaudy statistics.

“I wouldn’t say we were a failure,” Kennison said. “We just didn’t accomplish what we wanted to accomplish. That doesn’t make anybody a failure.”

Kennison in January will be 35, an age considered elderly for his position. He missed all of six games this season and most of two others because of a pulled hamstring.

He has only 13 catches and 101 yards.

Those numbers probably won’t attract many contract offers, but Kennison said he intends to find out.

“I would love to finish my career here, but if I don’t, that won’t stop me from playing for somebody else,” he said. “I missed the first eight games because of a hamstring injury. I changed positions because they asked me to even though I had been putting up good numbers in my old position. So I sacrificed. I think people will see that.”

I think it would be a bad move to get rid of Tony, he still seems as productive as ever...but to hear him say it like that...

...man, how far we have fallen... :shake:

DaKCMan AP
12-18-2007, 10:23 AM
RE-POS..

aw, forget it.

C-Mac
12-18-2007, 10:24 AM
Wonder if LJ would offer himself up the same way?
BTW this is a rheapoasta

talastan
12-18-2007, 10:25 AM
Whether this team decided to trade or not to trade Tony, I wouldn't be upset. Only a select few players have contributed as much to this franchise as he has. If he did move on I'd wish him the best and expect him to get his ring and his first round ballot in the HOF.

xbarretx
12-18-2007, 10:28 AM
Wonder if LJ would offer himself up the same way?


dont i wish.....they had done that LAST YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

InChiefsHell
12-18-2007, 10:34 AM
Didn't see the original post...I suck...

RP_McMurphy
12-18-2007, 10:36 AM
I would trade him to a NFC contendor and say thank you for one helluva career in Kansas City. He's giving his heart out for a team going nowhere in the next few years. Let him compete for a ring and get some draft picks in return.

Mr. Laz
12-18-2007, 10:37 AM
see ... another example of the "rebuilding myth"

if the Chiefs were really rebuilding then Tony would of been traded instead of signed to a big contract.

too late to trade him now ..... we already gave him the signing bonus.

xbarretx
12-18-2007, 10:41 AM
see ... another example of the "rebuilding myth"

if the Chiefs were really rebuilding then Tony would of been traded instead of signed to a big contract.

too late to trade him now ..... we already gave him the signing bonus.

QFT LAZ! but its ok b/c at least my wii gives me comfort when the Chiefs are sucking high and tit

Zouk
12-18-2007, 10:55 AM
see ... another example of the "rebuilding myth"

if the Chiefs were really rebuilding then Tony would of been traded instead of signed to a big contract.

too late to trade him now ..... we already gave him the signing bonus.

The Packers are one of the youngest teams in football and they've been completely rebuilt over the last 3 years since Ted Thompson took over.

But they kept Brett Favre.

Mr. Laz
12-18-2007, 11:23 AM
The Packers are one of the youngest teams in football and they've been completely rebuilt over the last 3 years since Ted Thompson took over.

But they kept Brett Favre.
so your saying that Carl kept Tony around for sentimental reasons???



not even close to being the same thing

the main difference being the position they play ..... a old QB isn't nearly the same as a old "anything else*



btw - we aren't really young either

InChiefsHell
12-18-2007, 11:26 AM
Hindsight being 20-20, I STILL would have kept Tony. I just don't see that his production has dropped off not to warrant keeping him around. That position ain't broke, don't fix it.

Now, LJ on the other hand...I was not liking the idea of trading him, but in retrospect if we could have gotten anything for him, I wish we would have.

...hindsight kicks ass...

bobbything
12-18-2007, 11:30 AM
The Packers are one of the youngest teams in football and they've been completely rebuilt over the last 3 years since Ted Thompson took over.

But they kept Brett Favre.
Different positions. The Packers could (and have) gotten to the Super Bowl because of Brett Favre; the Chiefs will never get there because of a tight end.

Nightfyre
12-18-2007, 11:32 AM
I would revolt if Tony didn't finish his career here. Seriously. He can help Croyle develop on top of the sentiment.