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SBK
12-18-2007, 12:19 AM
Anyone else getting spam to vote for Ron Paul? I'm having people email me out of nowhere with some 15 page email about why I need to vote for Ron Paul.

I even like the guy but his robots are really starting to annoy me.

note-the emails aren't from Paul, they're from the "people" that support him.

Taco John
12-18-2007, 01:40 AM
I don't get any like that. Mostly I get emails about my khawk.

KILLER_CLOWN
12-18-2007, 06:06 AM
I got a couple of viagra emails, and 1 showing me how to eliminate all debt within 90 days. I will choose the latter.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 08:02 AM
Other than Rolex watches and "how to make my weenie" bigger ( they must know about my strap-on) I have received none except for confirmation to my TeaParty pledge and the official site for my donation.

Maybe you gave your email out to someone whose using it.
That's fair game like direct mail if you did. Just ask off.

I'll tell ya' something though, I rarely post on any political blogs or news sites...but one day I did on the Washington Post to make one post regarding Paul. My email was loaded with porn spam afterwards. Seems too date coincident to me.

trndobrd
12-18-2007, 08:04 AM
You mean stuff like this that I get multiple times a day....


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DEC 16th: RONPAUL2008.COM = $20 MILLION FOURTH QUARTER: Donate Today For Freedom! :-)

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Hey Folks,

People are loving the Ron Paul Revolution.

People are putting their money where their freedom is.

People are waking up and saving their families and friends.

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Phone everyone and tell them to... :-)

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President Ron Paul is nearing $20 million for the 4th quarter.

President Ron Paul is better than Michael Jordan or Lebron James.

President Ron Paul is not going to fade away when we have a real shot.

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Email everyone and tell them to... :-)

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People know the Ron Paul Revolution is a ready for prime-time.

People know the message of peace, freedom and prosperity will win.

People know the chance we have to finally be optimistic about our future.

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Fax everyone and tell them to... :-)

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President Ron Paul will repeal the Patriot Act and other set-backs.

President Ron Paul will end the endless War in Iraq and bring troops home.

President Ron Paul will continue his 30 year restoration of the U.S.
Constitution.

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Say hi to everyone and tell them to... :-)

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Ron Paul on pace to raise over 7 million today

Larry Fester
USA Daily
Published 12/16/2007 - 2:06 p.m. EST

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul is raking in the cash today as grassroots supporters across the country are holding a 'Tea Party'
to commemorate the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party and to protest the Federal Reserve's 'Inflation Tax' and federal income taxes. The goal of the online fund raising event is to get 100,000 people to $100 each and raise 10 million.

http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=201346

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Message from Ron (12/15/07)

What an amazing mission you and I are on. What great ideas we uphold
-- the legacy of the most important thinkers of liberty in our country's history, and the most important doers of liberty in America.
At the top of that list are the donors and volunteers of this campaign.

I could spend all my time thanking personally you and everyone who has done so much for our country's future, and not scratch the surface of what justice demands. But I want you to know how much I owe you, and everyone dedicated to the real America.

You and I know our real country -- the America of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, of economic, civil, and personal liberty, of strong families and communities, of great businesses and professions, of strong peace and low taxes and sound money -- all of which are under assault by the politicians who occupy our nation's capital.

With your help -- and I can't do anything without your help (donate to
- http://www.ronpaul2008.com/) -- I want to change all that. Together, we can restore our constitutional republic, and oust the mountebanks who violate the ideals of the Founders with income taxes, Federal Reserve inflation, deficit spending, preemptive wars, torture, secret prisons, and abolition of habeas corpus.

How thrilling too are all the great Independent efforts in this cause, involving so many tens of thousands of patriots. Of course, since they are Independent, the election laws to do not allow me to coordinate with them in any way. But I will mention that this Sunday, I am really going to enjoy my tea at a party!

We are making real progress. And goodness knows we need to. Help (donate to - http://www.ronpaul2008.com/) me keep our revolution going and growing. For freedom, peace, and prosperity, for the real America, all our generosity and hard work are justified.

Sincerely,

Ron

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

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Ron Paul's tea party for dollars

By Michael Levenson, Globe Staff

On Nov. 5th, supporters of Ron Paul raked in more than $4.2 million in donations in 24 hours, mostly collected over the Internet.

Today, they're at it again. Hoping to detonate what they call a "money bomb," the supporters started fundraising at midnight Saturday and have already raised $2 million as of about 10:30 a.m. today, more than at this point on Nov. 5th, according to figures they posted online.
They hope to collect a total of $10 million by midnight Sunday.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/12/ron_pauls_tea_p.html

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CNN Situation Room 12-12-07 Ron Paul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcoTi46HXU0

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Ron Paul on Mad Money w/Cramer 12-14-07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8teEHdCrFqE

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Ron Paul : Stop Dreaming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8

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The idea of a candidate inspiring millions of people to act inspired is worth celebrating even if you have a different opinion on who should win. Today's poisonous and partisan political climate has lead to apathy, so anyone who cures it is someone worth looking at. There is no point in dismissing the idea of President Ron Paul as an impossibility when millions of Americans and people worldwide are committed to his success. The reason he came out of nowhere to catch fire is because he was always right and people just needed to hear it.
We have the opportunity to make sure more people hear it.

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Ron Paul on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LZyHoAPL3M

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Ron Paul Interview on PBS NOW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To0q7SguNes

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CNN is 1st on TV to do a Ron Paul Blimp Report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y6WtEQfyM0

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The man behind Paul's fundraising curtain

By Dan Morain, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer December 16, 2007

MANCHESTER, N.H. -- Trevor Lyman is unshaven, wearing a T-shirt and jeans and sitting at the dining table of his rented home. Scattered around him are a one-pound bag of M&Ms, liter-size bottles of soda and a box of Frosted Flakes -- the cereal accounts for his recommended daily allowance of vitamins.

Lyman doesn't look the part of political fat cat. But as he monitors his laptop, money rolls in. Most comes in small increments. In a testament to the power of the Internet as a political tool, the nickels and dimes amount to hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-moneyman16dec16,0,6282421.story?coll=la-home-center

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Sing loudly and proudly and tell everyone to... :-)

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We are certainly facing obstacles and plans by the leaders of banks and corporations to control us for their ends. We are certainly facing attacks on our freedom and prosperity that are unprecedented in history. We have to realize that just 100 years ago most people lived in slavery. We have to realize that with 3 billion people living on less than $2 a day most still live in slavery. We have to understand our opportunity to promote the message revealing who's in charge and how we can take control over our own lives and futures. We have to realize the opportunity to make sure more people hear it.

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Celebrate your own power and tell everyone to... :-)

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People need to speak up now while we still can.

People need to take responsibility for their lives and futures.

People need to wake everyone up to threats others see clearly.

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''A decision was made. Let's get all the debt up. Let's move the jobs abroad. And instead of re-engineering your skills, we're going to dumb down America. And so the middle class will disappear.''

- Catherine Austin Fitts, Asst. Secretary of Housing for President Clinton

http://www.solari.com/about/ca_fitts.html

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Endgame is not conspiracy theory, it is documented fact in the elite's own words.

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ENDGAME Bibliography

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"In all ages, in all lands, there have been those who seek truth. This seeking is an individual's search for something more than self, and much more than the confines of this worldly system. It is the seeker, who understands there is more than what meets the eye, who is not afraid and makes the choice to go into the unknown. The process of awaking has begun, the discovery is underway."

- Alan Watt

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ZEITGEIST: The Movie

"They must find it difficult... those who have taken authority as the truth rather than truth as the authority."

- Gerald Massey

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"There are no boundaries one must adhere to when preserving one's liberty".

- Aaron Russo (R.I.P.)

http://www.freedomtofascism.com/

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POWER: The reason we have to recognize this now is the laws and social structures that we thought protected us are being dismantled faster than ever. The endless War on Terror Rapture kills thousands of innocents and sets up police states at home. The endless Global Warming Rapture sets up global-taxing bodies abroad while the Australian Medical Journal says we should tax babies to pay for their 'carbon' use (see below) and prepares us for China's one-child policy.
The hidden North American Union Rapture centralizes power in a secret and unaccountable corporate bureaucracy. The multi-national banks and corporations work together to steal the resources of the planet, including people, or human resources. We are not supposed to realize the real reasons behind the reasons we're given, or the truth behind the lies. We have an opportunity to expose the whole con-game once and for all while getting good people on the inside to help us.

We need to speak up now.

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"Globalists and one-world promoters never seem to tire of coming up with ways to undermine the sovereignty of the United States. The most recent attempt comes in the form of the misnamed "Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America (SPP)." In reality, this new "partnership" will likely make us far less secure and certainly less prosperous."

- Ron Paul, "A North American United Nations?", Aug 28, 2006

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst082806.htm

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HEALTH: The reason we have to recognize this right now is all of the soft-kill attacks on our minds, bodies, souls and bank-accounts are stepped-up every day. The state of Minnesota passed a law banning lead in mascara, meaning there's lead in mascara elsewhere, just like in lipstick. Plastic bottles and containers leak xeno-estrogen and other chemicals lowering male sperm-counts, shrinking women's hips and worse. Fluoride in water causes cancer and docile populations.
Genetically-modified food removes the nutritional value leading people to over-eat without feeling satisfied. Cellphones have basketball-sized radiation fields causing stupidity before causing cancer. Chemtrails poison the air and cause depression. HAARP technology scrambles our brains. On top of this the UN Codex Alimentarius international law is restricting our access to vitamins and supplements so we'll have trouble protecting our health from the attacks.

We need to speak up now.

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"The Codex Alimentarius Commission, organized by the United Nations in the 1960s, is charged with 'harmonizing' food and supplement rules between all nations of the world. Under Codex rules, even basic vitamins and minerals require a doctor's prescription."

- Ron Paul, "CAFTA and Dietary Supplements", July 18, 2005

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2005/tst071805.htm

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A handful of other articles are below, but the bottom line is that people are converging around an idea more than even a man: the idea of freedom. With our eyes on the prize the goals of de-centralized power and honest money the dreams of the world can be realized.

The Ron Paul Revolution can make this happen.

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Support the peaceful revolution... :-)

* DONATE NOW! *

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Peace, (NOW!!!)
BK

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Mercury in mascara? Minn. law bans it

By MARTIGA LOHN, Associated Press Writer Fri Dec 14, 6:13 AM ET

ST. PAUL, Minn. - The quest for thicker lashes and defined eyes should get safer in Minnesota on Jan. 1, when a state law banning mercury from mascara, eye liners and skin-lightening creams takes effect.

Minnesota apparently is the first state in the nation to ban intentionally added mercury in cosmetics, giving it a tougher standard than the federal government.

Retailers who knowingly sell mercury-containing cosmetics in Minnesota could face fines of as much as $700. Penalties could reach $10,000 for manufacturers who fail to disclose mercury on product labels, according to the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency.

"Mercury does cause neurological damage to people even in tiny quantities," said Sen. John Marty, the Democrat from Roseville who sponsored the ban. "Every source of mercury adds to it. We wanted to make sure it wasn't here."

Continued...

(Ed note: So how many women will hear about this? How many other products contain mercury? How much damage will this cause to our
brains?)

On the Net:

Minnesota Pollution Control Agency: http://www.pca.state.mn.us

Personal Care Products Council: http://www.personalcarecouncil.org

Campaign for Safe Cosmetics: http://www.safecosmetics.org

Minnesota mercury ban: http://tinyurl.com/ysg2bj

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071214/ap_on_he_me/mercury_in_mascara

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Tax babies 'to save planet'

By Tamara McLean
December 10, 2007 04:52pm
NEWS.com - Australia

COUPLES who have more than two children should be charged a lifelong tax to offset their extra offspring's carbon dioxide emissions, a medical expert says.

The report in an Australian medical journal called for parents to be charged $5000 a head for every child after their second, and an annual tax of up to $800.

And couples who were sterilised would be eligible for carbon credits under the controversial proposal.

Perth specialist Professor Barry Walters was heavily critical of the $4000 baby bonus, saying that paying new parents extra for every baby fuelled more children, more emissions and "greenhouse-unfriendly behaviour".

Instead, it should be replaced with a "baby levy" in the form of a carbon tax in line with the "polluter pays" principle, he wrote in the latest Medical Journal of Australia.

"Every family choosing to have more than a defined number of children should be charged a carbon tax that would fund the planting of enough trees to offset the carbon cost generated by a new human being," said Prof Walters, an obstetrician at King Edward Memorial Hospital.

Sustainable Population Australia suggested a maximum of two, he said.

By the same reasoning, contraceptives like diaphragms and condoms, as well as sterilisation procedures, should attract carbon credits, the specialist said.

"As doctors, I believe we need to think this way," he wrote in a letter to the journal.

"As Australians I believe we need to be less arrogant.

"As citizens of the world, I believe we deserve no more population concessions than those in India or China."

Garry Eggers, director of the NSW Centre for Health Promotion and Research, agreed with the call, saying former treasurer Peter Costello's request for three children per family - "one for mum, one for dad and one for the country" - was too single-minded.

"Population remains crucial to all environmental considerations,"
wrote Professor Eggers, a leading advocate of the personal carbon trading debate.

"The debate (around population control) needs to be reopened as part of a second ecological revolution."

Family groups rejected the calls, saying larger families used less energy than smaller ones and should not be penalised.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22899785-2,00.html

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1st U.S. driver's license for North American Union Created

Posted in September 6th, 2007

by Terresa Monroe-Hamilton in Border/Immigration, Middle East/Terrorism, Politics

From info@faxdc.com:

1ST U.S. DRIVER'S LICENSE FOR NORTH AMERICAN UNION CREATED

Tell Congress that you oppose the North American Union License and the DMV sharing YOUR Personal information with Canada and Mexico!

Alert: The first "North American Union" driver's license, complete with a hologram of the North American continent on the reverse, and has been created in the state of North Carolina.

The hologram looks exactly [like] the map of North America that is used as the background for the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America logo on the SPP website.

Marge Howell, spokeswoman for the North Carolina DMV affirmed that the state was embedding a hologram of North America on the back of their new driver's licenses. "It's a security element that eventually will be on the back of every driver's license in North America," Howell said...

Continued...

...DO NOT BE SILENCED BY ANYONE STAND UP! MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD!

TAKE ACTION NOW!

(Ed note: How can we allow our governments to lie to us every day by not mentioning this is happening?)

To visit FAXDC.com, click here: http://faxdc.com/

To Fax Blast Capitol Hill, click here: http://faxdc.com/sos.htm

To place a Fax order, click here: http://faxdc.com/sos_order.htm

It's time to send a LOUD MESSAGE to our hired hands in D.C.!

It must be done today! America needs your help!

What are you waiting for?

Thank You Patriot! Your friends at FAXDC.com

NOTE: Be sure to send this Alert to EVERYONE you know who supports saving American and Protecting our Middle Class. Thank you!

http://noisyroom.net/blog/?p=21931

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Estulin: Global Elite Consider Ron Paul Assassination

Kurt Nimmo
TruthNews
December 14, 2007

Daniel Estulin, best selling author and Bilderberg investigator, told Alex Jones today that a "small circle of intimates" ensconced within a global amalgamation of monopolistic and fascist cartels, are "war gaming" the assassination of presidential candidate Ron Paul.

Estulin, citing patriotic sources inside American intelligence, said the global elite are petrified of not only the growing possibility of a Ron Paul victory next November and his promise to return America to its republican, constitutional roots, but also the tidal wave of political and financial support behind Paul's campaign.

Initially, Estulin explained, the elite attempted to ignore the Ron Paul Revolution, but as the movement increased its size and profile, it was decided other, more drastic measures, specifically assassination, may need to be undertaken in order to circumvent "unknown factors" of the Ron Paul Revolution.

It should be noted that Mr. Estulin's sources have demonstrated credibility in the past. For instance, more than a year and half ago, Estulin's sources inside the Bilderberg criminal cabal reported that an attack against Iran was taken "off the table," a decision apparently realized with the release of the latest National Intelligence Estimate, portrayed in the corporate media as a potential diplomatic "thaw" between the United States and Iran, much to the displeasure of the warmongering neocons.

* Listen to Daniel Estulin's interview with Alex Jones. *

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The Bilderberg Group

"For some 15 years, Estulin has been a thorn in the sides of the Bilderbergers, relentlessly hunting down their secret meeting places, gaining inside sources who divulge what goes on behind closed doors, even photographing attendees and publicly disclosing it all. Now he has put it all in a book that every person who values freedom and democracy should read."

- B. Conover, Editor, Online Journal

Order your copy of Daniel Estulin's book, The True Story of the Bilderberg Group, from Alex Jones' Infowars Store

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http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1281

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Bush Secret Shredding Soars

John Cook
Radar Online
December 14, 2007

Behold, the Bush Administration in chart form: Federal spending on paper shredding has increased more than 600 percent since George W.
Bush took office. This chart, generated by usaspending.gov, the U.S.
government's brand spanking new database of federal expenditures, shows spending on "contracts for paper shredding services" going back to 2000. Click here for the full, heartbreaking breakdown. In 2000, the feds spent $452,807 to make unpleasant truths go away; by 2006, the "Cheney Effect" had bumped that number up to $2.9 million. And by halfway through 2007, the feds almost matched that number, with $2.7 million and counting. Pretty much says it all.

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1287

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Report Says That the Rich Are Getting Richer Faster, Much Faster

DAVID CAY JOHNSTON
NY Times
Sunday December 16, 2007

The increase in incomes of the top 1 percent of Americans from 2003 to
2005 exceeded the total income of the poorest 20 percent of Americans, data in a new report by the Congressional Budget Office shows.

The poorest fifth of households had total income of $383.4 billion in 2005, while just the increase in income for the top 1 percent came to
$524.8 billion, a figure 37 percent higher.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/161207Rich.htm

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Would Ron Paul Be Endorsed by the Founding Fathers? Lawyer Says Yes

PRWEB
Sunday December 16, 2007

December 16, 2007 -- LawyerUCLA.com currently serves as a directory for over 6,000 lawyers across the United States. And when it comes to the 2008 presidential election, the website has decided not to keep quiet -- making a firm case for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul, self proclaimed champion of the Constitution, is a 10-term congressman from Texas.

According to the statistics provided on their website, 61 percent of the mentions of the Constitution at the 2008 presidential debates were made by Ron Paul himself, despite being a candidate that has not been given a fair amount of time to speak.

Assuming 10 total candidates, 39 percent of the references to the Constitution would be divided among the nine other candidates. If the total number of references were to be split evenly across the rest of the candidates, each candidate would roughly only contribute to 4.3 percent of the Constitutional mentions.

So this means that Ron Paul is 14 times more likely to utter the words of the Constitution than the average candidate.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/161207Fathers.htm

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trndobrd
12-18-2007, 08:05 AM
or this?


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DR. RON PAULITICS vs. GLOBAL WHORING TAXES vs. THE GAP MURDE(RED)
CAMPAIGN: Tea Party? NAU? :-)

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"CNN... The Most Trusted Name in News..."

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"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."

- Ancient Chinese Proverb

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"America was founded by men who understood that the threat of domestic
tyranny is as great as any threat from abroad. If we want to be worthy
of their legacy, we must resist the rush toward ever-increasing state
control of our society. Otherwise, our own government will become a
greater threat to our freedoms than any foreign terrorist."

- President Ron Paul, "Freedom vs. Security: A False Choice", May 31, 2004

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"How can I run for office and say I want to be a weak president? We
need a strong president, strong enough to resist the temptation of
taking power the President shouldn't have."

- President Ron Paul, New Hampshire Liberty Forum, February 25, 2007

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"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's
realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy."

- President Ron Paul, "Neo-CONNED!", July 10, 2003

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"You are the campaign. I have joined the revolution. Thank you for having me."

- President Ron Paul, New Hampshire, Murphy's Taproom, December 1, 2007

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Subjects of the Queen:

1. Dr. Ron Paulitics
2. Codex Alimentarius
3. NAUseless Eaters Zoo
4. Blackwater Rises Faster
5. Global Whoring Taxes Begin
6. The GAP Murder(Red) Campaign
7. Bilderberg Bankrupting Billionaires?
8. Television Ho-Gramming & Kideogames
9. Hollywood, Tavistock, Education, Retardation
10. Dollars & Sense: Mortgage Means Death Gauge
11. Flu Shots vs. Gun Shots: Guess Which Are Worse?

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"De-centralized power and honest money are all we need to work on to
save the world."

- Ed.

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"Good settles into patterns; evil evolves to dominate."

- Ed.

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"The original American patriots were those individuals brave enough to
resist with force the oppressive power of King George. I accept the
definition of patriotism as that effort to resist oppressive state
power. The true patriot is motivated by a sense of responsibility, and
out of self interest -- for himself, his family, and the future of his
country -- to resist government abuse of power. He rejects the notion
that patriotism means obedience to the state."

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Former Google Employee Engineers NH Ground Campaign For Ron Paul

Matt Simon | Huffington Post | December 5, 2007

..."You are the campaign; I have joined your revolution; thank you for
having me," he concluded before giving way to a chorus of cheers and
chants.

How is Paul getting so many activists to New Hampshire? It's simple -- he isn't.

The innovator behind the activist relocation program known as
"Operation Live Free or Die" is not an employee of the campaign; Vijay
Boyapati is just a bright, motivated guy who decided to get involved.

Until two weeks ago, Boyapati was an engineer at Google. Now he's
organizing activists all over the country and bringing them to the
"Live Free or Die" state to assist with the Paul campaign. For
Boyapati, the saga began in July when he flew from Seattle to
California to hear Paul speak at Google Headquarters.

Now the Australian-born Boyapati is braving the cold New Hampshire
winter and urging others to do the same. According the the website,
405 activists are in New Hampshire or on their way. The goal is to
recruit 1000, and progress has been steady.

"They're all converging on New Hampshire now," Boyapati observed with a smile.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-simon/former-google-employee-en_b_75377.html

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:::: (((( IMPORTANT NEWS )))) ::::


The date for the New Hampshire Primary has been set!

* January 8th, 2008 *

http://www.operationlivefreeordie.com/

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Ron Paul : House of Cards

10 mins

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XaxdUPNYj2s

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Secret DoJ Legal Memos: Bush Determines What Is Constitutional

Think Progress | December 7, 2007

This morning, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) delivered an impassioned
floor speech to help frame the debate over FISA reform. Using his
privilege as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Whitehouse
said he has "spent hours poring over" secret opinions issued by the
Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) -- and he took
notes.

Whitehouse is a lawyer, a former U.S. Attorney, a former legal counsel
to Rhode Island's Governor, and a former State Attorney General. He
said he sought and received permission to have his notes declassified
because he wanted to show the public "what the Bush administration
does behind our backs when they think no one is looking."

"To give you an example of what I read," Whitehouse said on the Senate
floor, "I have gotten three legal propositions from these secret OLC
opinions declassified. Here they are, as accurately as my note-taking
could reproduce them from the classified documents":

1. An executive order cannot limit a President. There is no
constitutional requirement for a President to issue a new executive
order whenever he wishes to depart from the terms of a previous
executive order. Rather than violate an executive order, the President
has instead modified or waived it.

2. The President, exercising his constitutional authority under
Article II, can determine whether an action is a lawful exercise of
the President's authority under Article II.

3. The Department of Justice is bound by the President's legal determinations.

* Watch Video *

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/071207_b_memos.htm

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Candidates @ Google: Ron Paul

65 mins

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg

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The good news is we have a chance to win.

The good news is we have people who've paid attention.

The good news is we have people on the inside who want out.

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President Ron Paul is an honest man we can focus on and trust.

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The bad news is we are running out of time.

The bad news is we are running out of options.

The bad news is we are running out of their way.

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President Ron Paul is a 72 year old man who needs our help to push the truth.

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"Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability
of citizens to live without government interference. Government cannot
create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such
a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim
absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total
state control over its citizens' lives. Liberty has meaning only if we
still believe in it when terrible things happen and a false government
security blanket beckons."

- President Ron Paul, "Security and Liberty", April 23, 2007

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Ron Paul's FREEDOM WATCH

FREEDOM Watch is a service of the office of US Representative Ron Paul
for regular visitors to Project FREEDOM. By signing up, you are asking
to receive, via e-mail, a notice when new items are added/posted to
Rep. Paul's web site. The notice will include a brief portion of the
newly posted item, as well as a link to both the entire website, as
well as the specific address of the new information. The FREEDOM Watch
is sent out only as information is added to the website, or as events
merit.

To receive the FREEDOM Watch, simply enter your full name and full
e-mail address using the appropriate form found on this page.

http://www.house.gov/paul/fwu/welcome.htm

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* In a nutshell: this information can help us stop all the attacks on
our minds, bodies, souls and bank accounts happening at once. It
should take a half-hour to scan and a couple of hours to read. Even
if you haven't paid attention, someone's paid attention to you.
They're using soft-kill weapons like lead-painted toys and lipstick,
cellphone radiation, GMO foods and much more to dumb us down. Many of
us don't trust governments or corporations but don't know why yet.
This has to change fast.

* The people pushing for global government feel they can't stop after
what they've done. Poisoning our air, water, food, vaccines and
everything else to make us too weak to resist. Giving us Big
Pharmacide drugs to make us sicker. They're afraid we'll find out and
want revenge. They'll continue until the fascist boa-constrictor
strangles everybody. Including them. No one knows what will happen
when it's over. No one wants to think about it enough. This has to
change fast.

* We need to find ways to communicate with people trapped in our big
institutions. Everybody has a boss who lies to keep more knowledge.
All of this rubbish is based on mind control. No one has the entire
picture. Those who look for it and find more than those who don't.
We know the mass media lies. We know the default reality we want to
defend to feel smart is full of lies. We know we can learn more. We
know we have to. This has to change fast.

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"A paper monetary standard means there are no restraints on the
printing press or on federal deficits. In 1971, M3 was $776 billion;
today it stands at $8.9 trillion, an 1100% increase. Our national debt
in 1971 was $408 billion; today it stands at $6.8 trillion, a 1600%
increase. Since that time, our dollar has lost almost 80% of its
purchasing power. Common sense tells us that this process is not
sustainable and something has to give. So far, no one in Washington
seems interested."

- President Ron Paul, "Paper Money and Tyranny", September 5, 2003

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* In a nutshell: this information is competing against a million
distractions. These distractions are put there on purpose to distract
us. The idea that our governments and corporations have been
committing crimes around the world is not a new one. The idea that we
wouldn't believe it is. The idea that they've been treating us like
crap is not a new one. The idea that we wouldn't believe it is. The
idea that we need to fight back is not a new one. The idea that we
wouldn't believe it is.

* We need to promote the truth now while we still can. We need to
know our window of opportunity is being closed by liars in power. We
need to remember what we forgot over the last few years. We need to
recall who's lied before. We need to ask why they would tell the
truth now. We need to see what they promote as proven liars. We need
to see how the lies affect us. We need to stop listening to liars.
We need to stop listening to liars to stop becoming liars.

* We need to find ways to do what we want to do and what we have to
do. We need to find ways to think differently about the world than
what hasn't been working. We need to avoid being separated and
socialized into selfishness. We need to see what we complain about
and how it relates to what we see, say and do. We need to find
something really worth doing. We need to rally around a
revolutionary. We need to rally around Ron Paul.

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Q&A: Presidential Candidate Ron Paul

'Freedom brings diversity. It brings people together. Big government
divides us.'

Liz Halloran | U.S. News and World Report | November 9, 2007

Q. What is your appeal?

A. I think people are tired of what they're getting from their
government. They don't believe it's working. They're angry. They
believe they're being lied to when it comes to the economy. They
believe they've been lied into going to war. And they're tired of it
all, and they want change. Even though people poke fun at me - say
that I don't look like the one to bring about change - I think I offer
a different program than they've heard about for a long time.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2007/11/09/qa-presidential-candidate-ron-paul.html

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:::: (((( DR. RON PAULITICS )))) ::::


Ron Paul was born and raised in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He graduated
from Gettysburg College and the Duke University School of Medicine,
before proudly serving as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force
during the 1960s. He and his wife Carol moved to Texas in 1968, where
he began his medical practice in Brazoria County. As a specialist in
obstetrics/gynecology, Dr. Paul has delivered more than 4,000 babies.
He and Carol, who reside in Lake Jackson, Texas, are the proud parents
of five children and have 17 grandchildren.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/about/

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Lowering the Cost of Health Care

Ron Paul | LewRockwell.com | August 23, 2006

As a medical doctor, I've seen first-hand how bureaucratic red tape
interferes with the doctor-patient relationship and drives costs
higher. The current system of third-party payers takes decision-making
away from doctors, leaving patients feeling rushed and worsening the
quality of care. Yet health insurance premiums and drug costs keep
rising. Clearly a new approach is needed. Congress needs to craft
innovative legislation that makes health care more affordable without
raising taxes or increasing the deficit. It also needs to repeal bad
laws that keep health care costs higher than necessary...

...The lesson is clear: when government and other third parties get
involved, health care costs spiral. The answer is not a system of
outright socialized medicine, but rather a system that encourages
everyone - doctors, hospitals, patients, and drug companies - to keep
costs down. As long as "somebody else" is paying the bill, the bill
will be too high.

The following are bills Congress should pass to reduce health care
costs and leave more money in the pockets of families:

HR3075, HR3076, HR3077, HR3078

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html

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"Why are we so afraid to follow the Constitution and let state
legislatures decide social policy? Surely people on both sides of the
abortion debate realize that it's far easier to influence government
at the state and local level. The federalization of social issues,
originally championed by the left but now embraced by conservatives,
simply has prevented the 50 states from enacting laws that more
closely reflect the views of their citizens. Once we accepted the
federalization of abortion law under Roe, we lost the ability to apply
local community standards to ethical issues.

Those who seek a pro-life culture must accept that we will never
persuade all 300 million Americans to agree with us. A pro-life
culture can be built only from the ground up, person by person. For
too long we have viewed the battle as purely political, but no
political victory can change a degraded society. No Supreme Court
ruling by itself can instill greater respect for life. And no Supreme
Court justice can save our freedoms if we don't fight for them
ourselves."

- President Ron Paul, "Federalizing Social Policy", January 30, 2006

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:::: (((( NAUSELESS EATERS ZOO )))) ::::


"Globalists and one-world promoters never seem to tire of coming up
with ways to undermine the sovereignty of the United States. The most
recent attempt comes inthe form of the misnamed "Security and
Prosperity Partnership Of North America (SPP)." In reality, this new
"partnership" will likely make us far less secure and certainly less
prosperous.

According to the US government website dedicated to the project, the
SPP is neither a treaty nor a formal agreement. Rather, it is a
"dialogue" launched by the heads of state of Canada, Mexico, and the
United States at a summit in Waco, Texas in March, 2005.

What is a "dialogue"? We don't know. What we do know, however, is that
Congressional oversight of what might be one of the most significant
developments in recent history is non-existent. Congress has had no
role at all in a "dialogue" that many see as a plan for a North
American union.

According to the SPP website, this "dialogue" will create new
supra-national organizations to "coordinate" border security, health
policy, economic and trade policy, and energy policy between the
governments of Mexico, Canada, and the United States. As such, it is
but an extension of NAFTA- and CAFTA-like agreements that have far
less to do with the free movement of goods and services than they do
with government coordination and management of international trade.

Critics of NAFTA and CAFTA warned at the time that the agreements were
actually a move toward more government control over international
trade and an eventual merging of North America into a border-free
area. Proponents of these agreements dismissed this as preposterous
and conspiratorial. Now we see that the criticisms appear to be
justified."

- President Ron Paul, "A North American United Nations?", August 28, 2006

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NOTE: The Democrats won the Congress and Senate in 2006 and did
nothing angry voters asked. This proves the Left and Right wing of
politics are both controlled by the same bird-brains staging a
political puppet-show. The corporate-funded mass media and
foundation-funded independent media are also both controlled by the
same central banking and central intelligence money to hide their
roles. They give us our opinions and just two-sides to choose from
missing the others and key facts.

NOTE: The mainstream political debate keeps us focused on safe topics
that don't identify the real power-structure. They keep us asking
about selfish possibilities instead of selfless practicalities, or
"what's in it for me" instead of "how do we get rid of the Patriot
Act" for all of us. This is by-design. This debate allows more of
our rights to be taken away until we're legally easier to control.
This will happen if we let our leaders to pass laws we rarely hear
about or discuss.

NOTE: The mainstream political debate has us discussing what's
possible instead of what's happening, or "what would you do if"
instead of "what are you doing about" to ignore real issues. The
staged dialectic helps big money interests while we stop trusting and
listening to each other. It sets up and maintains constant and
useless fights. This is not necessary when objective truth exists.
If we find it we can stop being fooled. Millions have so we're in
good shape.

NOTE: This is why so many people relate to President Ron Paul: he's
transcended this crap for 30 years. We're just catching up.

NOTE: For example: if your most trusted name in news ignores the
North American Union that 19 U.S. states are working on legislation to
stop, or dismisses it, or calls it a "conspiracy theory" with SPP.gov
and other official websites available, they are liars. Sorry but it's
true. Change the channel. Turn the page. Surf elsewhere.

NOTE: Billions are fooled by the global criminals in a globalized
economy who own the media and pass international agreements we know
almost nothing about that control entire countries. Regional
agreements are part of centralizing power in their hands and must be
resisted. Whether you like him or not, there's no way Lou Dobbs got
the North American Union story "wrong" for a year and a half while the
rest of CNN refused to discuss it. At least until someone inside
allowed a viewers question to Ron Paul in the CNN/YouTube Republican
Debates. The result is below.

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CNN Debates: North American Union Question For Ron Paul

4 mins

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6Y30k3nkk54

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CNN LIVE EVENT/SPECIAL

GOP Presidential Debate
Aired November 28, 2007 - 20:00 ET

YOUTUBE QUESTION: Good evening, candidates. This is (inaudible) from
Arlington, Texas, and this question is for Ron Paul.

I've met a lot of your supporters online, but I've noticed that a good
number of them seem to buy into this conspiracy theory regarding the
Council of Foreign Relations, and some plan to make a North American
union by merging the United States with Canada and Mexico.

These supporters of yours seem to think that you also believe in this
theory. So my question to you is: Do you really believe in all this,
or are people just putting words in your mouth?

COOPER: Congressman Paul, 90 seconds.

PAUL: Well, it all depends on what you mean by "all of this." The CFR
exists, the Trilateral Commission exists. And it's a, quote,
"conspiracy of ideas." This is an ideological battle. Some people
believe in globalism. Others of us believe in national sovereignty.
And there is a move on toward a North American union, just like early
on there was a move on for a European Union, and it eventually ended
up.

PAUL: So we had NAFTA and are moving toward a NAFTA highway. These are
real things. It's not like somebody made these up. It's not a
conspiracy. They don't talk about it, and they might not admit it, but
there's been money spent on it. There was legislation passed in the
Texas legislature unanimously to put a halt on it. They're planning on
millions of acres taken by eminent domain for an international highway
from Mexico to Canada, which is going to make the immigration problem
that much worse. So it's not so much a secretive conspiracy, it's a
contest between ideologies, whether we believe in our institutions
here, our national sovereignty, our Constitution, or are we going to
further move into the direction of international government, more U.N.

PAUL: You know, this country goes to war under U.N. resolutions. I
don't like big government in Washington, so I don't like this trend
toward international government. We have a WTO that wants to control
our drug industry, our nutritional products. So, I'm against all that.

But it's not so much as a sinister conspiracy. It's just knowledge is
out there. If we look for it, you'll realize that our national
sovereignty is under threat.

COOPER: Congressman Paul, thank you.

(APPLAUSE)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0711/28/se.01.html

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* STOP THE NAU: 19 States CAN'T be WRONG! *

16 states have pending Anti-NAU legislation and 3 states have passed
Anti-NAU or Anti-SPP legislation in both their House and Senate!!!

The fact that over 1/3 of the state legislatures introduced
resolutions opposing the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North
America" (SPP), the NAFTA Superhighway, and the developing North
American Union (NAU), is a GREAT success!

States: Alabama | Arizona | Colorado Georgia | Hawaii | Idaho |
Illinois | Missouri | Montana | Oklahoma | Oregon | Pennsylvania |
North Carolina | South Carolina | South Dakota | Tennessee | Texas |
Utah | Virginia | Washington

States with legislation indirectly related to the fight against the
SPP/NAU: Nevada | New Hampshire

http://www.stopthenau.org/

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Alberta Government Admits NAFTA Superhighway

Lee Rogers | Rogue Government | December 5, 2007

Alberta's government web site admits to the existence of a NAFTA
superhighway. While establishment media hacks continue to deny plans
for a continental highway, it is curious that a government web site
would openly admit to the existence of it. It is also curious how
these liars can get away with calling presidential candidate Ron Paul
a conspiracy theorist for citing readily available information. One of
the driving forces behind the formation of a NAFTA superhighway is
NASCO a non profit organization dedicated to expanding our current
highway infrastructure so goods can be more easily traded within the
coming North American Union.

What's funny about NASCO's web site is that they deny the existence of
a continental superhighway but openly admit to it at the same time.
Take for example the following taken from their myth vs fact section.

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1127

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NAFTA Trade Corridors & State Truck Standards

* Alberta's high-standard highway system routinely handles trucks of
up to 63,500 kg (140,000 lb.) and provides links with all major
Western North American markets.

* Currently, except for those states with grandfather rights, the U.S.
restricts the allowable gross weight and length of trucks. Federal
Bridge Formula B defines the relationship between a truck's weight,
length, number of axles and spacing between axles, thereby determining
the truck's configuration.

* Long Combination Vehicles (LCVs) are limited to western states.
State laws and policies determine use and vary considerably across the
west.

http://www.infratrans.gov.ab.ca/2760.htm

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The Late Great U.S.A.: The Coming Merger With Mexico and Canada (Hardcover)
by Jerome R. Corsi

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In the New York Times bestseller The Late Great USA: The Coming Merger
with Mexico and Canada, Jerome Corsi proves that the benignly-named
"Security and Prosperity Partnership," created at a meeting between
George W. Bush, Stephen Harper and Vincente Fox, is in fact the same
kind of regional integration plan that led Europe to form the EU.
According to Corsi, the elites in Europe who wanted to create a
European nation knew that "it would be necessary to conceal from the
peoples of Europe just what was being done in their name until the
process was so far advanced that it had become irreversible." Could
the same thing be happening here? Is American sovereignty doomed?

http://www.amazon.com/Late-Great-U-S-Coming-Merger/dp/0979045142

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:::: (((( PRO-GUN AND ANTI-WAR )))) ::::


NOTE: The issue of gun-control doesn't have two-sides when all the
facts are presented - which the mass media - as usual - doesn't do.
There is no reason to get upset since the answer works for everyone on
the planet. We all have a right to fight "tooth and nail" to defend
ourselves, or if we're not animals, to use the same weapons that
people will use against us.

NOTE: If there were no guns there would be no problem. If guns exist
then people must be allowed to defend themselves in both rich and poor
areas. If you disarm them they'll be victimized by the criminals in
their own neighborhoods. This is happening now.

NOTE: The school and mall shootings can easily be avoided or
minimized as long as the shooter isn't the only person who has a gun.
The number of crazy people will also decrease if all of them weren't
on anti-depressants and other Big Pharmacide pusher-products, another
fact the mass media ignores in their rush to ban legal guns instead of
criminal actions.

NOTE: While nobody wants more gun crime, the fact is criminals don't
obey the law, so cities like Washington and Chicago with gun-bans see
violent crime-rates go up as innocent people are terrorized by
emboldened criminals. The fact is cities with higher legal
gun-ownership have lower crime-rates since criminals are scared to rob
and rape people. Kennesaw, Georgia has mandatory-firearms ownership
and has been murder-free for 25 years despite six-times as many people
moving there since 1982. Worldwide people are the same, with
countries like Switzerland arming everybody having almost no violent
crime since criminals are afraid they'll get shot.

NOTE: The corporate-controlled mass media won't say this because
their criminal bosses want us disarmed. Historically when people were
disarmed they were terrorized by criminals inside and outside of
government. The U.S. Supreme Court is deciding on the Second
Amendment now, or the right to bear arms that every citizen is
guaranteed. If it's lost the next step will be a rise in crime and a
rise on criminals working for government attacking the people. It
must be saved. The National Rifle Association (NRA) leadership has
been bought by big money interests and is now selling-out it's
members, while Gun Owners of America (GOA) is an honest organization
dedicated to preserving the rights of all Americans. These are the
facts.

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Gun Owners of America
8001 Forbes Pl Suite 102
Springfield VA 22151
PH: 703-321-8585
FX: 703-321-8408
goamail@gunowners.org

"The only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington."

- President Ron Paul

http://www.gunowners.org/

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Another Shooter With A History Of Anti-depressant Use

Killer is latest in long line of young men with history of psychiatric
drugs treatment for depression and ADHD.

Steve Watson | Infowars.net | Dec 6, 2007

Robert Hawkins, the 19 year old who killed himself and eight other
people with an assault rifle last night in Omaha, Nebraska had a
history of treatment with psychiatric drugs for depression and ADHD
(Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder) and was on prozac according
to press reports.

Of course the headlines will once again focus on how evil and
dangerous guns are, how the second amendment should be reevaluated and
will once again ignore the fact that this young man was subject to
dangerous brain altering chemicals for a number of years prior to this
tragic incident.

Hawkins is the latest in a long line of shooters all of which were on
prescribed antidepressants before they suddenly snapped and decided to
kill as many people as they could before taking their own lives.

Investigators believe that Cho Seung Hui, the Virginia Tech murderer,
had been taking anti-depressant medication at some point before the
shootings last April, according to The Chicago Tribune.

http://infowars.net/articles/december2007/061207Shooter.htm

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"The senseless and horrific killings last week on the campus of
Virginia Tech University reinforced an uneasy feeling many Americans
experienced after September 11th: namely, that government cannot
protect us. No matter how many laws we pass, no matter how many police
or federal agents we put on the streets, a determined individual or
group still can cause great harm. Perhaps the only good that can come
from these terrible killings is a reinforced understanding that we as
individuals are responsible for our safety and the safety of our
families.

Although Virginia does allow individuals to carry concealed weapons if
they first obtain a permit, college campuses within the state are
specifically exempted. Virginia Tech, like all Virginia colleges, is
therefore a gun-free zone, at least for private individuals. And as
we witnessed, it didn't matter how many guns the police had. Only
private individuals on the scene could have prevented or lessened this
tragedy. Prohibiting guns on campus made the Virginia Tech students
less safe, not more."

President Ron Paul, "Security and Liberty", April 23, 2007

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Supremes to Decide if Second Amendment Means What It Says

Kurt Nimmo | TruthNews | November 21, 2007

"In a decision that could affect gun control laws across the nation,
the Supreme Court has agreed to consider whether the Second Amendment
protects an individual's right to carry a gun," reports ABC News.

Carry? Or possess?

"It has been 70 years since the high court has focused on the meaning
of the words 'right to keep and bear arms' in the Second Amendment and
the case is sure to ignite cultural battles across the country."

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be
infringed

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/211107Supremes.htm

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NOTE: Big Pharmacide makes Big Money off repeat business. Warning
labels on anti-depressants say they can cause depression. The cure is
more drugs. Stay away from them. Richard Smith is former editor of
the British Medical Journal for 25 years and author of "The Trouble
with Medical Journals" who says get more informed than your doctor
before seeking treatment. They often repeat what they're sold by
journals bought by pharma-pushers. There are no consequences for
failure. They can only be saved by us. We can only be saved by us.
(Our pets too. See below.)

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:::: (((( FLU SHOTS vs. GUN SHOTS: GUESS WHICH ARE WORSE? )))) ::::


NOTE: When you get shot with a bullet they can take the metal out,
when you get shot with a vaccine they can't take the mercury and other
brain-damaging heavy metals out of your bloodstream. This is the same
crap causing autism rates to rise from 1 in 2500 to 1 in 166 according
to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in Rolling Stone Magazine (Deadly Immunity,
2005).

NOTE: This is part of the soft-kill approach to poisoning us to
death, or until we're too weak or stupid to fight back against the
massive changes being implemented. Avoid all vaccines since they've
never proven to work. Avoid paying more for clean food, air and water
without trying to stop who's making it dirty, otherwise you can get
fooled by fake products anyway.

NOTE: Governments worldwide are also signing international agreements
to restrict our access to vitamins and supplements as part of the same
soft-kill plans too. (See Codex Alimentarius below.)

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You Can Now Get Your Mercury and Formaldehyde Flu Shot at the Airport

Kurt Nimmo | TruthNews | December 6, 2007

"After taking off their shoes, emptying their pockets and passing
through the security checkpoint, travelers at some major U.S. airports
can now roll up a sleeve and get a flu shot," reports the Associated
Press. "For years, some airports have been offering flu shots to
airline passengers before they cleared security. But many travelers
were too afraid of missing their flights to stop."

Apparently, they are not afraid of that 90 percent of flu shots
contain mercury, the second most toxic element after plutonium and
estimated to be 500 to 1,000 times more toxic than lead. It poisons
the central nervous system, liver, gastrointestinal tract and other
systems in the body.

"About 80 percent of all flu shots distributed in the United States
contain a mercury-based preservative called thimerosal. Thimerosal
consists of 49.6 percent ethyl mercury, an anti-bacterial, anti-fungal
that allows manufacturers to sell the vaccine in large, multi-dose
containers without fear of contamination," reports the Milwaukee
Journal Sentinel. "A typical 0.5 milliliter flu shot contains 25
micrograms - or 50,000 parts per billion - of mercury. The EPA
classifies a liquid with 200 parts per billion of mercury as hazardous
waste. The limit for drinking water is 2 parts per billion."

In other words, when you get that oh-so convenient flu shot at the
airport, you're getting a shot of hazardous waste.

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1131

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Big Pharma takes over veterinary medicine; dogs and cats drugged with
chemicals for profit

NewsTarget | July 17, 2007 | Mike Adams

...It was an easy sell: Most consumers already demonstrate a cult-like
belief in pharmaceutical medicine thanks to a barrage of
direct-to-consumer advertising funded by deep-pocketed drug companies,
and it was only a minor shift to get them to believe animals need
synthetic chemicals in their bodies, too.

http://www.newstarget.com/021935.html

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VACCINES: THE DEADLY CURE

PrisonPlanet Research Archive

Awareness to the dangerous side-effects and deadly consequences of
vaccines is growing exponentially. This research archive is a
compilation of information concerning mercury in vaccines, their link
to autism, other vaccine controversies, and the nationwide hoax that
vaccines are mandatory.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/vaccines/index.htm

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Do you think Vaccinations are mandatory?

Think again! Exemptions are easy to obtain in most states.

http://www.vaccinetruth.com/

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"My regular listeners already know about another looming threat to
dietary supplement freedom. The Codex Alimentarius Commission, an
offshoot of the United Nations, is working to "harmonize" food and
supplement rules between all nations of the world. Under Codex rules,
even basic vitamins and minerals will require a doctor's prescription.
As Europe moves ever closer to adopting Codex standards, it becomes
more likely that the World Trade Organization will attempt to force
those standards on the United States. This is yet another example of
how the WTO threatens American sovereignty. By cooperating with
Codex, the FDA is blatantly ignoring the will of Congress and the
American people."

- President Ron Paul, "Dietary Supplements and Health Freedom", April 25, 2005

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Official Website

The Codex Alimentarius Commission was created in 1963 by FAO and WHO
to develop food standards, guidelines and related texts such as codes
of practice under the Joint FAO/WHO Food Standards Programme. The main
purposes of this Programme are protecting health of the consumers and
ensuring fair trade practices in the food trade, and promoting
coordination of all food standards work undertaken by international
governmental and non-governmental organizations.

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

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WHAT'S BEHIND CODEX ALMENTARIUS?

Behind the Codex Alimentarius Commission is the United Nations and the
World Health Organization working in conjunction with the
multinational pharmaceutical cartel and international banks. Its
initial efforts in the US with the FDA were defeated, so it found
another ally in the FTC. Now Codex, with the FTC and the
pharmaceutical cartel behind it, it threatens to become a trade issue,
using the campaign of Operation Cure-All to advance its goals.

Codex began simply enough when the U.N. authorized the World Health
Organization and the Food and Agriculture Organization to develop a
universal food code. Their purpose was to 'harmonize' regulations for
dietary supplements worldwide and set international safety standards
for the purposes of increased trade. Pharmaceutical interests stepped
in and began exerting their influence. Instead of focusing on food
safety, Codex is using its power to promote worldwide restrictions on
vitamins and food supplements, severely limiting their availability
and dosages.

http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/codex-alimentarius.html

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Operation Grapes Of Wrath

Michael Vail | Thought Criminal | December 6, 2007

"Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls the
energy can control whole continents; who controls money can control
the world."

- Henry Kissinger

Would you trust your government with the lives of your family? During
a national emergency would you wait for help or make efforts to
safeguard your family? The government devours roughly 40% from the
average American family's budget through taxes and what services do
they get in return? The proper role of government according to the
constitution is to guard life, liberty and property. It is sad to say
but if America was the name of a ship sailing upon choppy waters and
our government officials knew we were headed for the 'perfect
storm'[1] they would be guarding the life rafts and jumping ship.

I could cite[2] so many different examples[3] showing that the
government does not concern itself with the safety of Americans but if
you are honest with yourself you know it as well as I do. The stark
reality is that the politicians and monopoly men view the common man
and woman like cattle. We are branded with names like 'useful idiots'
and 'useless eaters' and of course they must thin the herd to ensure
their own survival. This idea has been passed down from gangrenous
minded individuals like Giammaria Ortes[4] and Thomas Malthus and many
in this generation who want 80 percent of the world to be culled.

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1141

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"Doomsday Seed Vault" in the Arctic

F. William Engdahl | Global Research | December 4, 2007

...On this God-forsaken island Bill Gates is investing tens of his
millions along with the Rockefeller Foundation, Monsanto Corporation,
Syngenta Foundation and the Government of Norway, among others, in
what is called the 'doomsday seed bank.' Officially the project is
named the Svalbard Global Seed Vault on the Norwegian island of
Spitsbergen, part of the Svalbard island group.

The seed bank is being built inside a mountain on Spitsbergen Island
near the small village of Longyearbyen. It's almost ready for
'business' according to their releases. The bank will have dual
blast-proof doors with motion sensors, two airlocks, and walls of
steel-reinforced concrete one meter thick. It will contain up to three
million different varieties of seeds from the entire world, 'so that
crop diversity can be conserved for the future,' according to the
Norwegian government. Seeds will be specially wrapped to exclude
moisture. There will be no full-time staff, but the vault's relative
inaccessibility will facilitate monitoring any possible human
activity.

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1106

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"Fear is generated to garner popular support for the proposed
government action, even when some liberty has to be sacrificed. This
leads to a society that is systemically driven toward fear-- fear that
gives the monstrous government more and more authority and control
over our lives and property. Fear is constantly generated by
politicians to rally the support of the people. Environmentalists go
back and forth, from warning about a coming ice age to arguing the
grave dangers of global warming."

- President Ron Paul, "Why Are Americans So Angry?", June 29, 2006

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S 2191: The Carbon Credit Enslavement System

Lee Rogers | Intel Strike | November 27, 2007

The push towards a global carbon credit mechanism continues to be one
of the top agendas of the world elite. Despite the fact that numerous
scientific studies have concluded that the entire solar system is
getting warmer as part of a natural cycle, non-stop propaganda from
the major corporate news networks continue to blame man made carbon
emissions for planetary warming. In addition, the establishment media
pushes unfounded claims that global warming will result in a myriad of
environmental disasters.

Despite the fact that man made global warming is a complete fraud, the
world elite are selling fear as a way for them to bring in a world
carbon credit enslavement system. This carbon credit system will be
used as a funding mechanism to consolidate wealth into the hands of
the big global corporations and to potentially fund regional and
global governmental institutions.

In 2005, the European Union began the foundational steps to setup a
credit system based off of carbon emissions through the European Union
Emission Trading Scheme. Now, they are seeking to expand that system
to include airliners. Peter Liese a German member of the European
Parliament even stated that they want this carbon credit scheme to be
global in scale. Below is a blurb from the International Herald
Tribune, in which he advocates the need for this carbon credit
enslavement system.

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1012

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Ron Paul Slams Global Warming "Fearmongering"

Congressman dismisses doomsday predictions during interview

Paul Joseph Watson | Prison Planet | December 6, 2007

Congressman Ron Paul, who many would argue has remained somewhat
neutral on the issue of global warming thus far, slammed alarmist
predictions of the earth's decline as "fearmongering" and encouraged
contrarian thinking on the issue during an interview with popular
Internet TV broadcast G4.

"People think that Greenland's going to be gone in 20 years - I don't
buy into that," Paul told host Layla Kayleigh.

Asked if he bought into "the ice glaciers melting," Paul responded,
"They can find just as many places where the ice is building up - in
Greenland, in certain parts of Greenland, in Antarctica."

* Watch the video *

Indeed, research conducted using the European Space Agency's
satellites in November 2005 concluded that Greenland's interior ice
sheets are thickening at a rate of six centimetres each year.

The Congressman said that his advice was to "listen to scientists on
both sides" and that people who uniformly make up their minds that
something is a certain way are often proven wrong.

"Right now there needs to be a little contrarian thinking about the
fearmongering that is going on with global warming like it's the end
of the earth," said Paul, responding strongly when challenged by
Kayleigh, who used to work for Al Gore's TV network.

Though the Congressman has previously said he advocates efforts to
reduce carbon emissions, he is keen to point out the fact that the
Kyoto treaty is meaningless because it does not apply to the world's
biggest generator of carbon emissions, China, and the knock-on effects
have only been to cause U.s. corporations to outsource more jobs
overseas.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/120607_slams_fearmongering.htm

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:::: (((( BLACKWATER RISES FASTER )))) ::::


NOTE: Blackwater is one of the smaller private military firms we're
supposed to focus on in the media. Triton and Sovereign Deed are
larger and have operated worldwide for years, most notably in Africa
where they've helped corporations rape the continent. Mercenaries are
trained and dehumanized overseas in urban warfare for an eventual
battle with a mostly disarmed people of America. Donald Rumsfeld
pushed for privatizing the military just before and after 9/11
enriching friends in the military industrial complex. Regular U.S.
Army troops are poisoned with depleted uranium in overseas missions
and disarmed at home by bills diagnosing all of them with
post-traumatic stress disorder. Many are leaving their meager
salaried jobs for $1000 a day working for PMC's. Corporations who
have no problems enslaving and killing people for profit getting their
own armies is the most dangerous trend in history. Good people in the
military and many others are worried just like the rest of us should
be.

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Ron Paul leads ALL '08 candidates with over one-fourth of military
contributions for Q2

Earlier, we reported military contributions among Republican
presidential candidates place Ron Paul on top at 49.5%, with nearly as
much as all Republicans combined.

A more complete compilation of statistics by Phreadom shows that
presidential candidate Ron Paul leads all 2008 presidential candidates
in military contributions from the US Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine
Corps and war veterans. Presidential candidate Ron Paul leads with an
impressive one-fourth* of all contributions this second quarter
according to newly released data from the FEC.

Ron Paul currently has more cash-on-hand than John McCain this
quarter, and this new information is indicative of Ron Paul's success.
It appears that our soldiers and war veterans have an affinity to, or
inclination for Ron Paul's non-intervention principle - defending our
homeland and pursuing terrorists, but no nation-building.

http://thespinfactor.com/thetruth/2007/07/17/ron-paul-leads-all-08-candidates-with-one-third-of-military-contributions-for-q2/

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VETERANS DISARMAMENT ACT TO BAR VETS FROM OWNING GUNS

Larry Pratt | NewsWithViews.com | September 22, 2007

Hundreds of thousands of veterans -- from Vietnam through Operation
Iraqi Freedom -- are at risk of being banned from buying firearms if
legislation that is pending in Congress gets enacted.

How? The Veterans Disarmament Act -- which has already passed the
House -- would place any veteran who has ever been diagnosed with Post
Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) on the federal gun ban list.

This is exactly what President Bill Clinton did over seven years ago
when his administration illegitimately added some 83,000 veterans into
the National Criminal Information System (NICS system) -- prohibiting
them from purchasing firearms, simply because of afflictions like
PTSD.

The proposed ban is actually broader. Anyone who is diagnosed as being
a tiny danger to himself or others would have his gun rights taken
away ... forever. It is section 102(b)(1)(C)(iv) in HR 2640 that
provides for dumping raw medical records into the system. Those names
-- like the 83,000 records mentioned above -- will then, by law, serve
as the basis for gun banning.

No wonder the Military Order of the Purple Heart is opposed to this
legislation.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Pratt/larry81.htm

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:::: (((( THE GAP MURDE(RED) CAMPAIGN )))) ::::


NOTE: The biggest of the billion-dollar Big Pharmacide scams is AIDS.
There is no HIV virus. It's never been found. It doesn't exist.
It's fake. That's why it doesn't act like a virus. That's why some
people diagnosed can live perfectly healthy lives. That's why AIDS
cases nosedived in North America after the late 1980's. It wasn't
because everyone started using condoms. It was because people stopped
getting tested. People are fine if they don't because there's no HIV
virus to find.

NOTE: The reason it kills millions in Africa is because they are
targeted for de-population by the UN and world's elite. Anything can
be called an "AIDS-related illness" and billions of dollars can be
stolen by Big Pharmacide. The reason we think it's normal is because
of propaganda and how little we know. South Africa's President Thabo
Mbeki kicked drug companies out because patients seemed to do better
on herbs and lemon-water. The media attacked him for being right.

NOTE: People are diagnosed with AIDS based on factors that are
completely different worldwide, even in clinics in the same countries.
No AIDS test looks for the HIV virus since it can't be found. People
with weak immune systems or other illnesses are told they have AIDS,
including millions of malnourished Africans. People die from the
toxic drugs. People live perfectly healthy if they don't take them.
People need to stop killing Africans by buying Red T-Shirts.

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THE AIDS INDUSTRY AND MEDIA WANT YOU TO THINK THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL
OF SCIENTISTS WHO DOUBT THE HIV–AIDS THEORY.

HERE'S THE REALITY.

The 2,539 doubters:

Additions from the last three months are shown in red, those who
signed a petition questioning the hypothesis that Hiv causes Aids in
blue and recent additions who are also petition signers in purple.
Some of the people below question only key parts of the Hiv theory,
not all of it. Limitations on their beliefs are shown in brackets.

Some names on this webpage have been removed because AIDS Inc.
apparently feels very threatened by public exposure of the tremendous
dissent to their very profitable HIV theory, so they are contacting
people and pressuring them to remove their names from this page. These
names are blacked out.

If you think you belong on this web page (or wish to be removed)
please email us at aras@aras.ab.ca

http://rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm

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SUPPORT PRESIDENT MBEKI

President MbekiThe following organizations have joined forces to
create The International Coalition to End AIDS Censorship in order to
support President Mbeki's call for an open scientific debate on the
definition, causation, treatment and prevention of "AIDS".

Academy of Nutrition Improvement (Nagpur, India), ACT UP San
Francisco, ACT UP Hollywood, ACT UP Toronto, Alberta Reappraising AIDS
Society, Alive and Well (Eugene, Oregon), AMG France, Continuum
Magazine (London), El Peque o Periodico, The Forum for Debating AIDS
South Africa (FDASA), Fundacion Arte y Ciencia (Columbia), Health
Education AIDS Liaison (HEAL) Network (New York City, Denver,
Hartford, Portland, San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle, Washington DC,
Hawaii, Toronto, Uganda), International Forum for Accessible Science
(IFAS Switzerland), Joint Action Council Kannur (JACK), Journalists
for a Free Media, New York Rethinking AIDS Society (NYRAS), Students
Against the HIV Causes AIDS Hypothesis (SATHIVCAH), The Mythbusters,
The Coalition for Informed Choice, The Self Healing Temple, The
Sheppard Foundation, Dissident and Saint, TAPS

PETITION OF SUPPORT

In science, no theory should be immune from challenge, and debate over
an issue affecting millions of lives should never be declared over. I
support South African President Thabo Mbeki's intention to investigate
the definition, causation, treatment and prevention of "AIDS".

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/news/mbeki.htm

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"If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific
documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact,
at least with a high probability. There is no such document."

- Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry.


"Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really
convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a
retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical
virology."

- Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and
Virology, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemy, München.


It's time to re-evaluate the HIV-AIDS hypothesis:

Is HIV really the cause of AIDS ?

A growing group of bio-medical scientists claim the cause of AIDS is
still unknown. These heretics do not believe in the lethal AIDS virus
called HIV. They claim that the virus is indeed harmless. Most of them
think AIDS is also not sexually transmitted; it probably has toxic
causes. People die because they are poisoned to death by toxic
antiviral drugs. Part of the AIDS dissidents even question the
existence of a virus entity. These HIV skeptics say that the AIDS
virus has never really been isolated, and the AIDS tests are
worthless...

This website tells you their story.

This website contains more than 1200 web pages with over 850 articles.
If you are new make a short TOUR first, then you can best go to the
INTRODUCTION page for a small selection of articles to start with.
Listen to some AUDIO files, or watch some VIDEO documentaries first.
See the NEWS page for the latest developments and articles.

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/

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Joseph FERRAYE - The Billionaire with a big heart

Beneficiary of several hundred billion Dollars, he was defrauded by
swindlers, amongst whom, Presidents, Government members, banks,
American companies, notaries, lawyers etc...

As has been shown by the "FERRAYE DOSSIER", the extinction and capping
of burning oil wells in Kuwait was radically improved, due to the two
systems for which patent applications were made in 1991 to the INPI in
France, by Joseph FERRAYE.

» For reasons of illegal personal enrichment and with the help of both
the French and Kuwaiti Governments, Presidents, Prime Ministers,
Ministers, Bankers, Lawyers, Notaries etc. have embezzled hundreds of
billions of Dollars.

» American companies HALLIBURTON (Dick Cheney, Bush & Co.) and Red
ADAIR used the patented systems for their own benefit, without the
authorisation or the knowledge of Joseph FERRAYE, holder of the
patents. Moreover, these defrauders misappropriated the royalties,
which should have been paid to Joseph FERRAYE.

» In an attempt to justify the use of these systems, the defrauders
tried to predate the patents, to make believe that they were the
holders. The operation failed and the evaluation of 23 March 1997 was
unequivocal...

...Is the British Government and its economy controlled by the World
Government ?

» A short analysis of the chances of success of this proposition
results in doubts about the true will of Her Majesty's Government, to
save this company.

» As can be seen on the table "Bilderberg-UK", the NWO (New World
Order) controls part of the British Press and has infiltrated
Government departments to a large extent

» Moreover, although Tony Blair did not participate officially in a
Bilderberg meeting until 1993, he is very much wooed by them and is
deeply involved with the ILLUMINATI...

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impenetrable security, this investigative report provides a
fascinating account of the annual meetings of the world's most
powerful people—the Bilderberg Group. Since its inception in 1954 at
the Bilderberg Hotel in the small Dutch town of Oosterbeek, the
Bilderberg Group has been comprised of European prime ministers,
American presidents, and the wealthiest CEOs of the world, all coming
together to discuss the economic and political future of humanity. The
press has never been allowed to attend, nor have statements ever been
released on the attendees' conclusions or discussions, which have
ramifications on the citizens of the world. Using methods that
resemble the spy tactics of the Cold War—and in several instances
putting his own life on the line—the author did what no one else has
managed to achieve: he learned what was being said behind the closed
doors of the opulent hotels and has made it available to the public
for the first time.

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'Kate Moss effect' makes teen girls binge drink

By Gary Cleland | Daily Telegraph | 19/09/2007

Teenage girls are worse binge drinkers than boys because of the
influence of role models such as Amy Winehouse and Kate Moss,
according to a report.

The soap opera-style lives of glamorous women, even if they are
pictured stumbling out of nightclubs with their mascara gone awry, act
as an "encouragement" to teenage girls.

In a study of 16-year-olds, published in a new report on teenage
girls, 29 per cent of girls admitted binge drinking, compared with 26
per cent of boys.

The report, written by Fiona Bawdon for the campaign organisation
Women in Journalism (WIJ), points to research by the government's
Independent Advisory Group on Sexual Health and HIV, Sex, Drugs,
Alcohol and Young People.

It said: "The positive media coverage of "celebrity" behaviour
involving sex, drugs and alcohol acts as an encouragement to young
people."

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the first ever to advocate that the medium is not reformable. Its
problems are inherent in the technology itself and are so dangerous --
to personal health and sanity, to the environment, and to democratic
processes -- that TV ought to be eliminated forever.

Weaving personal experiences through meticulous research, the author
ranges widely over aspects of television that have rarely been
examined and never before joined together, allowing an entirely new,
frightening image to emerge. The idea that all technologies are
"neutral," benign instruments that can be used well or badly, is
thrown open to profound doubt. Speaking of TV reform is, in the words
of the author, "as absurd as speaking of the reform of a technology
such as guns."

About the Author

Jerry Mander holds B.S. and M.S. degrees in Economics, spent 15 years
in the advertising business, including five as president and partner
of Freeman, Mander & Gossage, San Francisco, one of the most
celebrated agencies in the country. After quitting commercial
advertising, he achieved national fame for his public service
campaigns, leading the Wall Street Journal to call him "the Ralph
Nader of adevertising." In 1972 he founded the country's first
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Army Recruits Video Gamers
Latest Recruiting Tool Winning Over Hearts, Minds Of Teens

WEST POINT, N.Y., March 30, 2004

Jim Acosta reports on a new Pentagon computer game that offers
potential recruits a taste of virtual warfare.

(CBS) The soldiers are real. But they're also actors, staging scenes
for the Army's latest war game.

It's a video game created by the U.S. Army to win over the hearts and
minds of American teenagers.

And, as CBS News Correspondent Jim Acosta reports, judging by these
faces, mission accomplished.

Game player Rob Calcagni believes the game is going to work on a lot
of guys his age.

"Definitely, because it's a fun game," says Calcagni.

The game, "America's Army" has become such an overnight hit, the Army
staged a tournament in New York. Recruiters were waiting at the door.

"This is a fantastic recruiting opportunity," says Lt. Col. John
Gillette. "We would like to sign up as many as possible. We are
looking for five to ten."

One of these teens enlisted after playing the game, the other two are
thinking about it, which is exactly what the creator of "America's
Army" had in mind.

"We look at all the things that the Army is doing that is under the
control of the Army that captures people's attention and the game is
number one," says the game's creator Col. Casey Wardynksi.

America's Army has surpassed even the Pentagon's expectations. It's
now the number one online action game in the country. The Army hasn't
seen a recruiting tool this effective since "Be all that you can be."

But psychology professor Brad Bushman of the University of Michigan, a
critic of violent video games, complains "America's Army" isn't real
enough.

"War is not a game," he says.

"The video game does provide a sanitized view of violence," says
Bushman. "For example, when you shoot someone or when you are shot you
see a puff of blood; you don't see anyone suffering or writhing in
pain."

"Kids aren't stupid," says Wardynski. "They know if they come into the
army there is a reason that we have rifles and tanks and all that
stuff."

The players insist they understand the meaning of "game over."

"If you are going to join the Army, you know the risk," says one
gamer, Bart Koscinski. "In this game you might die like eight times in
like 15 minutes. In real life people know what they are getting
themselves into."

New editions of "America's Army" are now being developed for home
video game systems -- a move that will deploy even more young
cyber-soldiers to the military's virtual battlefield.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/30/eveningnews/main609489.shtml

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Mass Mind Control Through Network Television

Are Your Thoughts Your Own?

Alex Ansary | Outside The Box | 12-29-5

Why do countless American people go along with the War on Iraq? Why do
so many people call for a police state control grid? A major component
to a full understanding of why this kind of governmental and corporate
corruption is to discover the modern science of mind control and
social engineering. It's baffling to merely glance at the stacks of
documentation that this world government isn't being constructed for
the greater good of humanity. Although there are a growing number of
people waking up the reality of our growing transparent soft cage,
there seems to be just enough citizens who are choosing to remain
asleep. Worse yet, there are even those who were at least partially
awake at one time but found it necessary to return to the slumber of
dreamland.

http://www.rense.com/general69/mass.htm

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Tavistock: The Best Kept Secret in America

Dr. Byron T. Weeks, MD | Educate Yourself | July 31, 2001

...Tavistock Institute developed the mass brain-washing techniques
which were first used experimentally on American prisoners of war in
Korea. Its experiments in crowd control methods have been widely used
on the American public, a surreptitious but nevertheless outrageous
assault on human freedom by modifying individual behavior through
topical psychology. A German refugee, Kurt Lewin, became director of
Tavistock in 1932. He came to the U.S. in 1933 as a "refugee", the
first of many infiltrators, and set up the Harvard Psychology Clinic,
which originated the propaganda campaign to turn the American public
against Germany and involve us in World War II.

In 1938, Roosevelt executed a secret agreement with Churchill which in
effect ceded U.S. sovereignty to England, because it agreed to let
Special Operations Executive control U.S. policies. To implement this
agreement, Roosevelt sent General Donovan to London for indoctrination
before setting up OSS (now the CIA) under the aegis of SOE-SIS. The
entire OSS program, as well as the CIA has always worked on guidelines
set up by the Tavistock Institute.

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtml

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The Underground History of American Education: A Schoolteacher's
Intimate Investigation Into the Problem of Modern Schooling

John Taylor Gatto
The Oxford Village Press
Oxford, NY 2000/2001

Reviewed by David Harrison

"BIANCA, YOU ANIMAL, SHUT UP!" screamed an assistant principal at a
six-year-old girl in front of a school assembly.

This quote from The Underground History of American Education is the
visceral linchpin around which Mr. Gatto's impressive narrative
revolves, as he unfolds for us the complex development of what we now
call "school."

While History may appear to be the author's focus, it is the fate of
Bianca - and millions of compulsorily schooled children like her -
that most concerns the author. He despises what he calls the
"psychopathic" violence inflicted upon children by schools in this
country. "Process kids like sardines," he warns, "and don't be
surprised if they come out oily and dead."

Don't be fooled or discouraged by such bluntness. There is beauty,
subtlety, complexity, and wisdom here, too. As you read through the
introduction and start to absorb the gist of the author's ideas, you
quickly discover you are in the hands of a compassionate and skilled
teacher. Mr. Gatto asks you to care. He warns you that it will not be
easy. He freely states his biases and intentions. He asks you to trust
him, to listen carefully, and then to draw your own conclusions...

...Along the way, Mr. Gatto makes it increasingly clear that school's
primary goal is not the education of our children. The author builds
his argument for this seemingly counter-intuitive claim with an
incredible array of research that documents the interlocking
development of big business and forced schooling. He painstakingly
points out how the captains of industry in the late nineteenth and
early twentieth centuries - when the basic structures of the education
system were being set down - influenced, guided, funded, and at times
forced compulsory schooling into the mainstream of American society.
Perhaps you'll recognize their names: Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller,
Morgan, to mention just a few.

Mr. Gatto argues that these emerging corporate titans knew they needed
three things in order for their interests to thrive: 1) compliant
employees; 2) a guaranteed and dependent population; and 3) a
predictable business environment encompassed by a rigid, caste-like
social hierarchy of haves and have-nots. It is toward these ends - and
not education - that modern compulsory schooling was unleashed.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/review_harrison.htm

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Mortgage foreclosures set record as Bush plan unveiled

Lynn Adler | Reuters | Dec 6, 2007

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. home foreclosures as well as the rate of
homes entering the foreclosure process rose to a record in the third
quarter, as homeowners battled slumping house prices and spiking loan
payments, the Mortgage Bankers Association said on Thursday.

President George W. Bush unveiled a plan on Thursday to stem
foreclosures, which many analysts said was a good start but would be a
minimal cure for the sickly housing market.

The program would freeze low teaser mortgage rates for five years for
some of the 2 million home owners with adjustable-rate loans facing
sharply higher payments, helping them avert default, according to the
administration.

About 994,000 U.S. households are in the process of foreclosure, said
MBA's chief economist Doug Duncan, adding that "not all of them will
lose their house, but that's how many are currently at serious risk of
losing their house."

http://www.reuters.com/article/bankingfinancial-SP/idUSN0621155820071206

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"Mortgage" is formed from two words:

The French word "mort" meaning "dead" and the word "gage" from Old
English meaning "pledge". Sir Edward Coke (who lived from 1552 to
1634) explained the term: the land as considered "dead" to the
mortgagor, as if the person never had it.

http://www.zeromillion.com/financial-services/what-are-mortgage-brokers-and-why-to-use-one-by-vincent-volder.html

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Mortgage Basics

What the heck does "mortgage" mean anyway?

Strangely enough, the word "mortgage" comes from the French word
"mort," which means "dead," and "gage," from Old English which means
"pledge".

According to Sir Edward Coke (who lived from 1552 to 1634), the term
came from the doubtfulness of whether or not the mortgagor would pay
the debt! In those days, if the mortgagor did not, then the land
pledged as security for the debt was taken away. The land was
considered 'dead' to the mortgagor. (In other words, as if the person
never had it.)

Nowadays, the term mortgage is commonly used to refer to a loan for
the purpose of purchasing a property. We don't associate anyone's
death with it! (Although, it might seem as if you might be dead before
your mortgage is paid off.)

http://www.mortgageguide101.com/mortgage-basics.aspx

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KILLER_CLOWN
12-18-2007, 08:08 AM
trndobrd sounds like they are getting the message out loud and clear. I guess the supporters don't love me since i have never received an email like those. I still love the message and the man.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 08:09 AM
Sorry guys, but you had to have given your email out to somehow.
That "mission" message from Ron is the one I got after registering to donate.

banyon
12-18-2007, 08:20 AM
holy s*** that is annoying.I can't scroll past it fast enough. I'm glad my spam blocker is catching that stuff.

Cochise
12-18-2007, 08:22 AM
Edit that stuff down!

I'm sure it's just some overzealous supporter who bought a list of email addresses. Annoying though.

Also, I will take a kick in the nuts before I donate money to anything that uses the :-)

KILLER_CLOWN
12-18-2007, 08:24 AM
holy s*** that is annoying.I can't scroll past it fast enough. I'm glad my spam blocker is catching that stuff.

You could stand to open up the spam blocker, ya know be more informed.

Cochise
12-18-2007, 08:26 AM
You could stand to open up the spam blocker, ya know be more informed.

Ladies and gentlemen I think we have dethroned burn@stake

trndobrd
12-18-2007, 08:41 AM
Fortunately, it's my work email (sent to info@xxxxx.com) and my spamblocker catches most of this crap.

A quick read through some of this nonsense shows just how mainstream the Paulites are, and how generally inconsiderate they are.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 08:45 AM
Well, if promotional mail is inconsiderate, then by the same standard so aren't businesses that use it. Direct mail is actually successful despite the griping.

Again you can always ask off.

Cochise
12-18-2007, 08:49 AM
Fortunately, it's my work email (sent to info@xxxxx.com) and my spamblocker catches most of this crap.

A quick read through some of this nonsense shows just how mainstream the Paulites are, and how generally inconsiderate they are.

It's not even about the politics really. It's sending people this garbage who never asked for it or anythng like it.

Even if you could opt out, they still need a swift kick. I shouldn't HAVE to opt out, dickwads, you shouldn't have opted me IN without asking.

trndobrd
12-18-2007, 08:57 AM
Well, if promotional mail is inconsiderate, then by the same standard so aren't businesses that use it. Direct mail is actually successful despite the griping.

Again you can always ask off.



Please point out in either of those emails where I can reply to opt out.

BTW, I haven't signed up, donated or done jack squat for Ron Paul. Hell, this mess isn't even coming from his campaign. It would appear to be some hobbitt like creature living above his mother's garage blasting out repeated unsolicited and unwelcome emails rants about whatever is on his mind.

Yep...way to help out your guy.

Cochise
12-18-2007, 09:00 AM
some hobbitt like creature living above his mother's garage blasting out repeated unsolicited and unwelcome emails rants about whatever is on his mind.

You're going to offend the ronbots ;)

trndobrd
12-18-2007, 09:05 AM
You're going to offend the ronbots ;)

You're right of course.


If any Paulites are offended, please PM me with your email address(es) so I can send you a personal, heartfelt apology.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 09:51 AM
Please point out in either of those emails where I can reply to opt out.

BTW, I haven't signed up, donated or done jack squat for Ron Paul. Hell, this mess isn't even coming from his campaign. It would appear to be some hobbitt like creature living above his mother's garage blasting out repeated unsolicited and unwelcome emails rants about whatever is on his mind.

Yep...way to help out your guy.
This is the first I've heard of it. You're assuming I approve. I don't. I just know being in the advertising buisiness that it still has a degree of success is all.

I've only recieved two. I would think there'd be an unsubscribe link...these usually do. Or maybe it's someone spamming using Paul's stuff to piss people off. Never know. IIRC, something similar has happened before. Politics is pretty dirty.

SBK
12-18-2007, 11:33 AM
I have got the same emails posted here, or very close versions thereof.

It's probably from different sites I've been to and commented, but either way it had nothing to do with politics or Ron Paul. It's unsolicited and very much unwelcome. Ol Ronnie needs to kick a lot of his supporters in the nuts as their going to piss off people that would like to vote for him but can't stand his robots.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 11:48 AM
I have got the same emails posted here, or very close versions thereof.

It's probably from different sites I've been to and commented, but either way it had nothing to do with politics or Ron Paul. It's unsolicited and very much unwelcome. Ol Ronnie needs to kick a lot of his supporters in the nuts as their going to piss off people that would like to vote for him but can't stand his robots.
If it makes you feel better, there was a call over on the Lew Rockwell site to keep the "love" in REVOLution in the movement.

However, I'd like to point out, that it's not considered unsolicited email if you registered supplying your email addy on a site. Some have a place to click if you don't want to receive any solicitations. As I understand the Can-Spam act it has to be a place sending email, who you did not give your email too for it to be spam. It's no different with telemarketing calls if you once gave someone your phone number.

Nightfyre
12-18-2007, 11:55 AM
It's not even about the politics really. It's sending people this garbage who never asked for it or anythng like it.

Even if you could opt out, they still need a swift kick. I shouldn't HAVE to opt out, dickwads, you shouldn't have opted me IN without asking.
I agree. I think that the inconvenience caused to a person by sending them unsolicited mail/email is a (small) violation of their personal liberties. You are creating an unnecessary hassle for that person. The very act of spamming people with Ron Paul messages in an unsolicited fashion is hypocritical, imo.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 11:58 AM
I agree. I think that the inconvenience caused to a person by sending them unsolicited mail/email is a (small) violation of their personal liberties. You are creating an unnecessary hassle for that person. The very act of spamming people with Ron Paul messages in an unsolicited fashion is hypocritical, imo.

I'd put money on him having given his addy out on a site somewhere and forgot about it. As far as I know from talking with the Paul campaign Sunday, the guy mistakenly thought I was borrowing from an individual at first and they said they could not accept the donation at first as it was illegal. It was a misunderstanding of course.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 11:59 AM
Please point out in either of those emails where I can reply to opt out.
You can ask off even if there isn't one ftr. You could make a call to the campaign or email back. I've done that with some places. I only saw what you posted.

Cochise
12-18-2007, 12:14 PM
I agree. I think that the inconvenience caused to a person by sending them unsolicited mail/email is a (small) violation of their personal liberties. You are creating an unnecessary hassle for that person. The very act of spamming people with Ron Paul messages in an unsolicited fashion is hypocritical, imo.

I will be interested to see if I get any emails because, obviously, I didn't sign up for any Ron Paul list.

I'm sure it's just some kook supporter mailing out of his parents' basement.

Nightfyre
12-18-2007, 12:17 PM
I'd put money on him having given his addy out on a site somewhere and forgot about it. As far as I know from talking with the Paul campaign Sunday, the guy mistakenly thought I was borrowing from an individual at first and they said they could not accept the donation at first as it was illegal. It was a misunderstanding of course.
The way in which email addresses are "legally added to lists" or what-have-you is an absolutely ridiculous concept, and should be changed, imo.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 12:22 PM
The way in which email addresses are "legally added to lists" or what-have-you is an absolutely ridiculous concept, and should be changed, imo.
Why? If you voluntarily give it out that's what most places will do.
I have had the problem of doing business with a place only. Then having my email added to their promotion lists. But I call and complain and it gets taken off. There are myriad ways websites try to get your email though. Everything from getting a e-books or something free. I get them from amazon.com purchases to confirmations for delivery of products from catalogues. It's insane but I just empty it out or put it under "junk." I don't know if it's precisely a violation of "rights" though.

Nightfyre
12-18-2007, 12:27 PM
Why? If you voluntarily give it out that's what most places will do.
I have had the problem of doing business with a place only. Then having my email added to their promotion lists. But I call and complain and it gets taken off. There are myriad ways websites try to get your email though. Everything from getting a e-books or something free. I get them from amazon.com purchases to confirmations for delivery of products from catalogues. It's insane but I just empty it out or put it under "junk."
You should have to explicitly sign-up for these subscriptions. The spammer should not be able to arbitrarily keep your email on an exchangeable list simply because you do business with them or they include subscription signups as a teeny-tiny defaulted "on" option at the very end of the registration process.


Basically for clarity: The subscription signup should be independent of other registration processes.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 12:30 PM
You should have to explicitly sign-up for these subscriptions. The spammer should not be able to arbitrarily keep your email on an exchangeable list simply because you do business with them or they include subscription signups as a teeny-tiny defaulted "on" option at the very end of the registration process.


Basically for clarity: The subscription signup should be independent of other registration processes.
That's up to those sites to respond to their public within reason. Certainly you're not asking for the govt to step in are you?

I just checked my email with a Paul email sent.

It has this at the bottom:

Please use the link below to modify your message preferences or to unsubscribe from any future mailings. We will respect all unsubscribe requests. http://cpro30.com/Tracking/t.fo?Z6W--BBs-4AqP18

Got one of the same emails as trnobrd.

Nightfyre
12-18-2007, 12:35 PM
That's up to those sites to respond to their public within reason. Certainly you're not asking for the govt to step in are you?

I just checked my email with a Paul email sent.

It has this at the bottom:

Please use the link below to modify your message preferences or to unsubscribe from any future mailings. We will respect all unsubscribe requests. http://cpro30.com/Tracking/t.fo?Z6W--BBs-4AqP18

Got the same email as trnobrd.
No, I would suggest that we as consumers should demand it. Also, companies should do it from an ethical stand-point. Maybe it's not high on their ethics list, but creating inconveniences for as many people as it does, perhaps it should be higher.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 12:36 PM
I just checked my original TeParty email too. It has this at the bottom:

To stop receiving these emails, you may unsubscribe now.( last two words are a link to where you unsubsribe)

Cochise
12-18-2007, 12:43 PM
No, I would suggest that we as consumers should demand it. Also, companies should do it from an ethical stand-point. Maybe it's not high on their ethics list, but creating inconveniences for as many people as it does, perhaps it should be higher.

Yes - I'm not saying it's illegal for companies to pass around people's email addresses like baseball cards and to spam them continually. I'm saying it's unethical and they shouldn't do it.

It's really pretty simple. Don't send people stuff they didn't ask for.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 12:49 PM
I fail to see how it's unethical. What code of ethics does it violate. Does it harm someone in some way?

I see it more as bad manners, public relations and/or marketing if it pisses people off. But people have to tell them they don't like it too.

Nightfyre
12-18-2007, 12:51 PM
I fail to see how it's unethical. What code of ethics does it violate. Does it harm someone in some way?

I see it more as bad manners, public relations and/or marketing if it pisses people off. But people have to tell them they don't like it too.
People continually tell them they don't like it.... It is unethical (on a really low level) because it is a huge time-waster.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 12:58 PM
I called campaign headquarters to look into this matter btw.
So their technical people can handle it or see if someone else is doing it under their name. Either way.

Cochise
12-18-2007, 01:10 PM
People continually tell them they don't like it.... It is unethical (on a really low level) because it is a huge time-waster.

Yep.

It's actually hard to believe someone would defend official campaign spam, which seems to be the implication with "there's nothing unethical or illegal about it"

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 01:23 PM
So Cochise, still wants to argue with me without hearing a response since he continues to address me indirectly through quotes. LMAO!

When I use ignore, I do it to ignore.

If Cochise saw that I called the campaign he wouldn't so off base in his accusations of defending official campaign spam, that is if it is official.

Other than that, I simply said how things are in reality in the commercial world which is that most of these places try to get email to send promotions because it works. That's just saying how it is more than a defense. I just don't think it rises to the level of unethicalness unless one asked to unsubscribe. Heavens, I get hundreds of calalogues mailed to me from shopping through catalogues.

So nightfyre I'd appreciate you quoting this post.

trndobrd
12-18-2007, 01:36 PM
I'd put money on him having given his addy out on a site somewhere and forgot about it. As far as I know from talking with the Paul campaign Sunday, the guy mistakenly thought I was borrowing from an individual at first and they said they could not accept the donation at first as it was illegal. It was a misunderstanding of course.


How much?

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 01:39 PM
I wasn't talking about you.

Nightfyre
12-18-2007, 01:39 PM
So Cochise, still wants to argue with me without hearing a response since he continues to address me indirectly through quotes. LMAO!

When I use ignore, I do it to ignore.

If Cochise saw that I called the campaign he wouldn't so off base in his accusations of defending official campaign spam, that is if it is official.

Other than that, I simply said how things are in reality in the commercial world which is that most of these places try to get email to send promotions because it works. That's just saying how it is more than a defense. I just don't think it rises to the level of unethicalness unless one asked to unsubscribe. Heavens, I get hundreds of calalogues mailed to me from shopping through catalogues.

So nightfyre I'd appreciate you quoting this post.
And become a spam zombie?! I think not!
....
DAMMIT JIM!

trndobrd
12-18-2007, 01:44 PM
If it makes you feel better, there was a call over on the Lew Rockwell site to keep the "love" in REVOLution in the movement.

However, I'd like to point out, that it's not considered unsolicited email if you registered supplying your email addy on a site. Some have a place to click if you don't want to receive any solicitations. As I understand the Can-Spam act it has to be a place sending email, who you did not give your email too for it to be spam. It's no different with telemarketing calls if you once gave someone your phone number.


Here's the origin address:

gandhi.u.knit@gmail.com


I haven't so much as visited a Paul website. As I said before, the address they are sending to is an info@xxxx.com address which feeds into my work account, I haven't signed up for anything, ever, with that address.

While I don't think sending unsolicited black helicopter emails is illegal, it is unwelcome, stupid and hurts their candidate. While I agree with many of Dr. Paul's positions, it's unfortunate that many of his supporters don't understand politics, have very poor interpersonal skills, and think the best way to influence people is to piss them off with unwanted spam

KILLER_CLOWN
12-18-2007, 02:34 PM
Ladies and gentlemen I think we have dethroned burn@stake

just fyi, i have been here longer than you. I really don't need several logins here to get the truth across.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 02:59 PM
Here's the origin address:

gandhi.u.knit@gmail.com


I haven't so much as visited a Paul website. As I said before, the address they are sending to is an info@xxxx.com address which feeds into my work account, I haven't signed up for anything, ever, with that address.

While I don't think sending unsolicited black helicopter emails is illegal, it is unwelcome, stupid and hurts their candidate. While I agree with many of Dr. Paul's positions, it's unfortunate that many of his supporters don't understand politics, have very poor interpersonal skills, and think the best way to influence people is to piss them off with unwanted spam

Did I disagree with you?
And if they are sending black helicopter emails, I doubt that's coming from the official campaign particularly based in that origin address. It sounds like a prank or a scam. Nothing new on the net unfortunately.

Taco John
12-18-2007, 03:01 PM
hahaha... Speaking of spma...

You've got to check this out... I'm dying laughing...

The very end is especially funny...

http://www.azfamily.com/video/localnews-index.html?nvid=201935&she=1

Hydrae
12-18-2007, 03:02 PM
Here's the origin address:

gandhi.u.knit@gmail.com


I haven't so much as visited a Paul website. As I said before, the address they are sending to is an info@xxxx.com address which feeds into my work account, I haven't signed up for anything, ever, with that address.

While I don't think sending unsolicited black helicopter emails is illegal, it is unwelcome, stupid and hurts their candidate. While I agree with many of Dr. Paul's positions, it's unfortunate that many of his supporters don't understand politics, have very poor interpersonal skills, and think the best way to influence people is to piss them off with unwanted spam

I think you are correct, a lot of his support is coming from people who have not been involved in the political process in many years. As a result they don't know the "ethics" of politics (ROFL) and are getting over zealous in their excitment of a different candidate for once in their lifetime.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 03:08 PM
hahaha... Speaking of spma...

You've got to check this out... I'm dying laughing...

The very end is especially funny...

http://www.azfamily.com/video/localnews-index.html?nvid=201935&she=1


Are you laughing at the sublimal message of homeless drunks who are loitering being reported over the background image of Paul supporters. LMAO!

Taco John
12-18-2007, 03:11 PM
The supporters... Apparently they're following the news vans around so that they can get in the shot whenever they go live. I love the deication of Paul supporters. I can't wait for Iowa!

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 06:03 PM
BTW trndobrd...it is illegal to send unsolicited email unless you've given your email to that supplier. If not it violates the Can Spam act.

I was just saying that there are sources that continue to do it, commercially even because they still make a lot of money on it. They just start up again under different names iirc.

SBK
12-18-2007, 08:36 PM
I'd put money on him having given his addy out on a site somewhere and forgot about it. As far as I know from talking with the Paul campaign Sunday, the guy mistakenly thought I was borrowing from an individual at first and they said they could not accept the donation at first as it was illegal. It was a misunderstanding of course.

Commented on a real estate related news article. That's where this originated. I did not agree to accept emails, nor did I sign up for anything.

Real estate and politics are not the same subject either. I'm all for people having passion, but some of these morons are going so far that it's starting to piss people off.

BucEyedPea
12-18-2007, 08:46 PM
Commented on a real estate related news article. That's where this originated. I did not agree to accept emails, nor did I sign up for anything.
I was actually referring to Cochise, not you, when I said that.
Besides, what I meant was just leaving your email with them will do it. I didn't say you had to sign up for something/

Real estate and politics are not the same subject either. I'm all for people having passion, but some of these morons are going so far that it's starting to piss people off.
I did notify the campaign about it. There was a call on Rockwell's site to not do this stuff if it helps.

There are scam sites that collect people's data too. Not saying that's the case here certainly...but they do exist for that reason. I refused to make my donation online for Paul...I did it by phone and insisted on someone with a background check or closest thing. This smacks of a scam to me.