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'Hamas' Jenkins
12-18-2007, 03:28 PM
Aside from antifreeze and stabbing yourself in the face, how do those of you who have back pain deal with it? Any good stretches, exercises, sleeping habits, etc?

My back has been f*cked up since I got in a car wreck 8 years ago. I take Aleve from time to time, but I'm not big on pain meds. I do a lot of stretches, and usually pop my lower back a couple of times a day.

With that being said, if I stand for a while it really starts to hurt. I'm not that old yet, so I really don't like the thought of my back continuing to suck at life.

Thanks in advance.

Donger
12-18-2007, 03:30 PM
Don't stand for a while.

Sans that, I have some heat packs that can be nuked. It's some kind of seed or nut or something that retains heat for hours. They work wonders on my back when it gets bad.

stumppy
12-18-2007, 03:31 PM
Dr visit, drugs, x-rays, MRI, visit surgeon, surgery, drugs, recoup.

DBO82
12-18-2007, 03:34 PM
Lighten up....relax

Be a lil bit less of a raging ass.

RJ
12-18-2007, 03:36 PM
Get your testicles rubbed and aligned.

Iowanian
12-18-2007, 03:40 PM
My back and neck are bad and hurt quite a bit....I've got ribs that are broken away from the backbone....it sucks sometimes.

I spend some time on a heating pad, ice packs while I'm watching football or something, take ibuprofin to keep down inflamation.


I also stretch and adjust it with a stick the size of a shovel handle....and will lay flat on the steps and slide down them,using the step edges to crack what needs cracking and roll the muscles around.


When I was working on my feet alot, it helped me quite a bit to get some good Gel inserts for my shoes/boots.

ChiTown
12-18-2007, 03:46 PM
I've "owned" a considerable amount of back pain since my football playing days ended. I've coped through stretching and regular visits to a chiropractor. I'm generally experiencing some sort of back pain every day, but there are times.........let's just say there's not enough pain killers and alcohol to relieve the ache

morphius
12-18-2007, 03:47 PM
I do the back extension to stretch mine out...

http://exercise.about.com/cs/abs/l/bl_core.htm

*edit - wrong one, the first time

Fish
12-18-2007, 03:50 PM
Acupuncture and marijuana....

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-18-2007, 03:57 PM
depends on the nature of the back pain. Is it:
1. lumbosacral muscle strain?
2. herniated disc and subsequent nerve compression?
3. vertebral compression?
4. referred pain?

You can figure this out by asking these questions:
1. Is it acute pain or chronic?
2. Did you hear/feel a "pop"?
3. Is their numbness/tingling/weakness down your legs, hip?
4. most importantly, is their numbness in your groin area, are you still able to urinate, do you still have anal sphincter tone....cuz if you dont it could be a serious sign of cauda equina syndrome?
5. Do you have limited range of motion, when lying on your back does it hurt more if you raise your legs in the air?

So if its simple lumbosacral muscle strain, than generally you want to:
1. rest it (no heavy weight lifting)
2. DONT ICE IT....it makes it worse
3. use NSAID

give me more info and i can be more specific

1. It's chronic pain that has flare ups throughout the year. Stuff like golf makes it hurt a lot more.
2. No, but when I lay down and sling my left leg over my right I can pop 2-5 vertebrae at a time.
3. No numbness, I don't think I have a pinched nerve, but sometimes my right knee will hurt as well (IT Band??)
4. My ass seems ok
5. If I lay flat on my back it's ok, but it does hurt more when I raise my legs to stretch my hammies/lower back.


I have a tight/weak iliopsoas group. The original injury was a side impact on a car that whacked a bunch of vertebrae out of place. I got manipulated from time to time.

Right now for example it hurts from the small of my back/hips and along the right iliac crest.

Sometimes I'll use a foam roller, but it's very, very hard to get that deep, as the psoas is really far down.

Brock
12-18-2007, 03:59 PM
Spasms or no?

HemiEd
12-18-2007, 04:01 PM
Having had two major back injuries (motorcycle wreck, pedestrian hit by car) I have learned to live with pain, it gets easier with time. I do however, have to see a chiropractor on a fairly regular basis. I prefer not to take the heavy doses of pain meds they prescribed.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-18-2007, 04:05 PM
Spasms or no?


From time to time.

Brock
12-18-2007, 04:11 PM
From time to time.

I have had chronic back spasms from time to time, which were aggravating a degraded disk. Hurt like a MFer. After having gone to chiros, regular doctors, etc., I tried a "sports medicine" doctor. She explained to me that it was actually my legs, specifically my hamstrings that were causing the back spasms. She gave me a device with some pulleys on it that I used to isolate and stretch my hamstrings. After a few weeks of that, I have had only occasional back pain, and a few stretch sessions straightens it right out. I recommend you stay far away from chiropractors.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-18-2007, 04:28 PM
I'm 6'1 and weigh about 195, but I carry a lot of weight around my stomach.

From time to time, I'll actually roll on a golf ball to try and loosen up my hips. It can work. All in all, the pain is shitty, but it's not excruciating. Something that makes you walk gingerly rather than scream in pain.

Thanks for the help, regardless....to all.

Skip Towne
12-18-2007, 04:31 PM
My back feels just fine. I think it is the clean living.

Bacon Cheeseburger
12-18-2007, 04:46 PM
Maybe you should look into physical therapy, I've heard they can work wonders. I'm starting it tomorrow for my neck problems, if they can fix my ****ed up shit I'll be impressed.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-18-2007, 04:46 PM
last thing, its easier on all of us (when asking for medical advice) if you told us your complete history upfront instead of having us play the guessing game. Something like this:

"I am hama jenkins, a xx yo white male complaining of chronic back pain that occured after a car accident x yrs ago that displaced the l4-l5 vertebrae. The back pain is currently 8 on a scale of 1-10, is located from the lower back/hips and along the distribution of the R illiac crest, is deep and constant with occasional spasms. Their is no pain or tenderness on palpation. It is aggravated by golf and weight bearing, and alleviated by a foam roller. There is no numbless/tingling down the legs but occasionally their is pain at the R knee. There is no decreased muscle strength/tone, there is bilateral pain on leg raise, and their is full range of motion. I am xx other medications, I've had xx sugeries and xx hospitizations, and I have no allergies. All other review of systems are negative."

that might be a little too much to ask though. ;)

It's also alleviated by Internet Porn.

Dave Lane
12-18-2007, 04:51 PM
Aside from antifreeze and stabbing yourself in the face, how do those of you who have back pain deal with it? Any good stretches, exercises, sleeping habits, etc?

My back has been f*cked up since I got in a car wreck 8 years ago. I take Aleve from time to time, but I'm not big on pain meds. I do a lot of stretches, and usually pop my lower back a couple of times a day.

With that being said, if I stand for a while it really starts to hurt. I'm not that old yet, so I really don't like the thought of my back continuing to suck at life.

Thanks in advance.

Yoga is awesome once the pain if manageable.

Dave

rtmike
12-18-2007, 04:51 PM
I had a L1 burst fracture and have a titanium cage wrapped around my spine. My pain is lower back and the Doc doesn't know if it's because of all the hardware in my back or a disc that's protruding.
I've been on oxycodone for about 3 years now. When it really starts acting up, I go in for an epidural steroid injection.
As much as it may sound like it'll make it hurt more, pt will most likely do more good than bad. I've also found that aggressive back rubs help.

Hope you get to feeling better, I know how you feel.

Iowanian
12-18-2007, 05:29 PM
The Real question is...

Did you acquire this injury while using improper technique to hoist a 30lb bag of dogshit over your head?

NewChief
12-18-2007, 05:39 PM
One of my good friends had chronic back pain from a soccer injury that flared up from time to time. He went to an acupuncturist for one visit. He's never had to go back and his pains are gone.

He said immediately after the treatment, he could bend down and touch his toes, which he hasn't been able to do for about 10 years.

stonedstooge
12-18-2007, 05:49 PM
I have degenerative disc disease in the cervical area. Been to numerous specialist, had a discectomy in 1998 and have been on disability for 6 years now. Tomorrow is my first go at physical therapy. Been on the narcotics for six year too. Call them killers. They killed my marriage, killed my sex drive, killed my relationship with my family, an occasionally make the pain bearable. Im 48 years old. It funny when you start messing with Dr. you think they can fix anything. It doesn't work that way. I was brought up in a religious family and have started trying to pray to God to make me a better person and father. I wish you luck but be awful careful who you let mess with you. The Dr. that did my surgery fled back to Brazil in 2000 and took all the medical records with him. And although narcotics will take the edge off at times, wait until you have to get off of them. I read about Stephen King after his accident and how he got hooked on Oxycontin. One day he decided enough was enough and quit cold turkey. He stated he understood why they called it kicking the habit because you will lay in bed for 6 to 7 days and your body continually kicks and spasms. There's a newer surgery center in Florida that specialized in disc problems. I'm on Madicare and have a supplemental insurance. The procedure costs $85,000 and even with your insurances you are responsible for $13,500. And if they have to work on more that one disc, it starts over again. I would gladly pay i in a heartbeat if I had the money. Just can't quite save up enought on $1200 a month disability. Good luck in finding help. I hate to be so negative but living in constant pain is a bitch. And as I age, if I get older it's only going to get worse.

DBO82
12-18-2007, 05:51 PM
I have degenerative disc disease in the cervical area. Been to numerous specialist, had a discectomy in 1998 and have been on disability for 6 years now. Tomorrow is my first go at physical therapy. Been on the narcotics for six year too. Call them killers. They killed my marriage, killed my sex drive, killed my relationship with my family, an occasionally make the pain bearable. Im 48 years old. It funny when you start messing with Dr. you think they can fix anything. It doesn't work that way. I was brought up in a religious family and have started trying to pray to God to make me a better person and father. I wish you luck but be awful careful who you let mess with you. The Dr. that did my surgery fled back to Brazil in 2000 and took all the medical records with him. And although narcotics will take the edge off at times, wait until you have to get off of them. I read about Stephen King after his accident and how he got hooked on Oxycontin. One day he decided enough was enough and quit cold turkey. He stated he understood why they called it kicking the habit because you will lay in bed for 6 to 7 days and your body continually kicks and spasms. There's a newer surgery center in Florida that specialized in disc problems. I'm on Madicare and have a supplemental insurance. The procedure costs $85,000 and even with your insurances you are responsible for $13,500. And if they have to work on more that one disc, it starts over again. I would gladly pay i in a heartbeat if I had the money. Just can't quite save up enought on $1200 a month disability. Good luck in finding help. I hate to be so negative but living in constant pain is a bitch. And as I age, if I get older it's only going to get worse.


Holy hell man....good luck bro

Bacon Cheeseburger
12-18-2007, 06:11 PM
I have degenerative disc disease in the cervical area. Been to numerous specialist, had a discectomy in 1998 and have been on disability for 6 years now. Tomorrow is my first go at physical therapy. Been on the narcotics for six year too. Call them killers. They killed my marriage, killed my sex drive, killed my relationship with my family, an occasionally make the pain bearable. Im 48 years old. It funny when you start messing with Dr. you think they can fix anything. It doesn't work that way. I was brought up in a religious family and have started trying to pray to God to make me a better person and father. I wish you luck but be awful careful who you let mess with you. The Dr. that did my surgery fled back to Brazil in 2000 and took all the medical records with him. And although narcotics will take the edge off at times, wait until you have to get off of them. I read about Stephen King after his accident and how he got hooked on Oxycontin. One day he decided enough was enough and quit cold turkey. He stated he understood why they called it kicking the habit because you will lay in bed for 6 to 7 days and your body continually kicks and spasms. There's a newer surgery center in Florida that specialized in disc problems. I'm on Madicare and have a supplemental insurance. The procedure costs $85,000 and even with your insurances you are responsible for $13,500. And if they have to work on more that one disc, it starts over again. I would gladly pay i in a heartbeat if I had the money. Just can't quite save up enought on $1200 a month disability. Good luck in finding help. I hate to be so negative but living in constant pain is a bitch. And as I age, if I get older it's only going to get worse.
Damn...that scares the hell out of me. I can't imagine living the rest of my life with the pain I've been living with for the past 2 months. It's sucking out my will to live as it is. Best of luck to you.

stumppy
12-18-2007, 06:37 PM
I have degenerative disc disease in the cervical area. Been to numerous specialist, had a discectomy in 1998 and have been on disability for 6 years now. Tomorrow is my first go at physical therapy. Been on the narcotics for six year too. Call them killers. They killed my marriage, killed my sex drive, killed my relationship with my family, an occasionally make the pain bearable. Im 48 years old. It funny when you start messing with Dr. you think they can fix anything. It doesn't work that way. I was brought up in a religious family and have started trying to pray to God to make me a better person and father. I wish you luck but be awful careful who you let mess with you. The Dr. that did my surgery fled back to Brazil in 2000 and took all the medical records with him. And although narcotics will take the edge off at times, wait until you have to get off of them. I read about Stephen King after his accident and how he got hooked on Oxycontin. One day he decided enough was enough and quit cold turkey. He stated he understood why they called it kicking the habit because you will lay in bed for 6 to 7 days and your body continually kicks and spasms. There's a newer surgery center in Florida that specialized in disc problems. I'm on Madicare and have a supplemental insurance. The procedure costs $85,000 and even with your insurances you are responsible for $13,500. And if they have to work on more that one disc, it starts over again. I would gladly pay i in a heartbeat if I had the money. Just can't quite save up enought on $1200 a month disability. Good luck in finding help. I hate to be so negative but living in constant pain is a bitch. And as I age, if I get older it's only going to get worse.



WOW, talk about an almost mirror image of my situation. Except for the Dr. leaving the country,mine just up and retired (try and find a Dr. that will treat chronic pain, they ain't out there) and the family part thats about an exact description of the last 8 yrs of my life.
And your right, they sure make it sound like they can fix everything. I had 360 degree fusion in the lower lumbar area. It helped, the pain wasn't as bad as before......initially. My Dr. kinda forgot to tell me about the problems that would ensue with the discs above where I had the fusion. He fixed one, I'd say about 60 to 70 % but started a domino effect on the discs above it.
Stephen Kings right. I went cold turkey off of oxycontin twice. I'd rather go through 7 days of constant ass whippings than do that again. Just about a coin toss between that and eating some lead.

Oh yea, I'll apologize in advance for the inevitable cocksucker on here thats going to try and belittle you for "living off the goverment teet".
If you want PM me. There's a place down in Fl. I heard about that supposedly can do some pretty good things in the back surgery dept.

Hang in there man. As you know, theres good days and bad days. Sooner or later some Dr. will come up with a way to help people in our situation.

DBO82
12-18-2007, 06:40 PM
WOW, talk about an almost mirror image of my situation. Except for the Dr. leaving the country,mine just up and retired (try and find a Dr. that will treat chronic pain, they ain't out there) and the family part thats about an exact description of the last 8 yrs of my life.
And your right, they sure make it sound like they can fix everything. I had 360 degree fusion in the lower lumbar area. It helped, the pain wasn't as bad as before......initially. My Dr. kinda forgot to tell me about the problems that would ensue with the discs above where I had the fusion. He fixed one, I'd say about 60 to 70 % but started a domino effect on the discs above it.
Stephen Kings right. I went cold turkey off of oxycontin twice. I'd rather go through 7 days of constant ass whippings than do that again. Just about a coin toss between that and eating some lead.

Oh yea, I'll apologize in advance for the inevitable cocksucker on here thats going to try and belittle you for "living off the goverment teet".
If you want PM me. There's a place down in Fl. I heard about that supposedly can do some pretty good things in the back surgery dept.

Hang in there man. As you know, theres good days and bad days. Sooner or later some Dr. will come up with a way to help people in our situation.

Thats what the goverment teet is for....

There are some individuals that abuse it and that hurts the ones who need it more than anyone.

Bill Parcells
12-18-2007, 06:40 PM
Going to the Chiropractor is my fix. people can say all they want about Chiropractor's, but at the end of the day if it makes me feel better going to one, I'm going to go.

Having a bad back sucks, you can't sleep or wipe your ass after a shit when it acts up.

Good luck Hamas!

Sincerely,

Dr Parcells

OBGYN


:D

DBO82
12-18-2007, 06:42 PM
Going to the Chiropractor is my fix. people can say all they want about Chiropractor's, but at the end of the day if it makes me feel better going to one, I'm going to go.

Having a bad back sucks, you can't sleep or wipe your ass after a shit when it acts up.

Good luck Hamas!

Sincerely,

Dr Parcells

OBGNY


:D


OBGNY?

Bill Parcells
12-18-2007, 06:45 PM
OBGNY?
Fixed

Bacon Cheeseburger
12-18-2007, 07:19 PM
OBGNY?
Yep. Old Bald Guy from New York.

Bill Parcells
12-18-2007, 07:20 PM
Yep. Old Bald Guy from New York.
ROFL

stumppy
12-18-2007, 07:24 PM
Yep. Old Bald Guy from New York.


ROFL

Rain Man
12-18-2007, 07:50 PM
At last, a troll that I can respect.

stumppy
12-18-2007, 07:54 PM
At last, a troll that I can respect.

He does have good taste.

DenverChief
12-18-2007, 09:55 PM
chiropractor works wonders for me

dtebbe
12-18-2007, 10:14 PM
chiropractor works wonders for me

Yep, me too. But you can't expect to go once a month and get better. When you are having problems like this you have to go at least 3 times a week for about 2-3 months to get things back where they belong, and then go once or twice a month after that to keep things maintained. Most chiropractors will work out a nice payment plan to get you back on track if your insurance does not cover chiropractic. The one I go to now charged me about $350 for all the initial xrays and adjustments 3 times a week for a month. Now I go in for "maintenance" once a month for $25/month. I know some people think they are quacks, but they've always got me back pain free when I've had back problems.

DT

prhom
12-18-2007, 10:21 PM
I think we should rename the Lounge "The Doctor is IN". You guys have such a wealth medical of knowledge I'm cancelling my health plan right away! Now, who here can help me with my impacted bowel, it's killing me...

Coach
12-18-2007, 10:23 PM
To minimize the chances of getting a big back injury, use your knees when lifting or putting heavy objects.

dtebbe
12-18-2007, 10:23 PM
I'm 6'1 and weigh about 195, but I carry a lot of weight around my stomach.

From time to time, I'll actually roll on a golf ball to try and loosen up my hips. It can work. All in all, the pain is shitty, but it's not excruciating. Something that makes you walk gingerly rather than scream in pain.

Thanks for the help, regardless....to all.

Wow, that sounds like the pain I had back in Jan of this year. It turned out that my sacrum was tilted and pinching a nerve down in my hip area. One day I stepped out of bed and it felt like someone stabbed me in the hip. All BS aside, I about pissed myself it hurt so bad.

DT

dtebbe
12-18-2007, 10:26 PM
Now, who here can help me with my impacted bowel, it's killing me...

Keep cocks out of your ass, there is a reason they call it fudge packing

DT

Bill Parcells
12-18-2007, 10:26 PM
Also, you can do crunches and back exercises on your stomach.

Sit flat on the floor on your stomach and raise your opposite arm and leg simultaneously off the floor about 4-6 inches. it will strengthen your lower back.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-18-2007, 10:31 PM
Keep cocks out of your ass, there is a reason they call it fudge packing

DT
ROFL

prhom
12-18-2007, 11:09 PM
Keep cocks out of your ass, there is a reason they call it fudge packing

DT
Well, it sure sounds like you know what you're talking about so I'll watch out for that one...

stevieray
12-18-2007, 11:16 PM
I'm 6'1 and weigh about 195, but I carry a lot of weight around my stomach.

you might've just answered your own question....

RibKing67
12-18-2007, 11:20 PM
chiropractor

Chiefmanwillcatch
12-21-2007, 01:38 PM
chiro's don't work.

Jerry Lewis uses electrical implant.

It has to be nerve problem

ottawa_chiefs_fan
12-21-2007, 02:01 PM
Keep cocks out of your ass, there is a reason they call it fudge packing

DT
http://www2.psy.ohio-state.edu/NPSA/photogallery/2005.11.11-14%20Neuroscience/homer%20drool.gif
mmmmm....fudge

Buzzsaw
12-21-2007, 03:48 PM
Try keeping your wallet in your front pocket. Sitting on that thing all day while driving/working/etc puts a lot of strain on your lower back.

boogblaster
12-21-2007, 04:25 PM
Elevate your legs at nite helps ... hydro-cods works 4 me ...

Hologide
12-21-2007, 05:58 PM
When sleeeping or relaxing, try placing a source of heat by your location of pain :)

JohninGpt
12-21-2007, 06:17 PM
...Now, who here can help me with my impacted bowel, it's killing me...
Take the plunger out of the toilet.

mcan
12-21-2007, 06:20 PM
I'm 28 and have been living without discs at L5/S1 and at L4/L5 for nearly ten years. The discs are black on MRI. The moment the first one burst was one of the worst moments of my life. The second was less painfull initially, but my leg lost all feeling and I lost the ability to move my calf on the left side.



I have been living pretty normally though. I rehabbed the leg and now I have all movement back and almost all feeling. (just one spot a couple inches in diameter that is still completely numb, I think it's just dead).



The disc pain is gone, as there is no disc left. I now have the chronic pain that has been described countless times in this thead. Here's how I have learned to alleviate it. When I get lazy and stop doing these things, it comes back. It's tough though because I can get to the point where it almost completely goes away and then I forget to do this stuff.



1) Stretch your hamstrings. Don't bend over and the waist. You dont' want to stretch the lower back, there is enough stress on those muscles already. Keep your posterior chain straight the whole time. Bend from the top of your legs just below your butt. You won't be able to go down very far before your hamstrings get extremely tight. Mild, but immediate relief.

2) Stretch the psoas. Go down like you're taking a knee at football practice. Keep your back knee in one spot while your front foot goes forward. Keep your shoulders up and squarely facing front. Basically it looks like a lunge on your knees. This should stretch the front of your pelvis pretty darn good. That psoas is buried in there, but this hits it directly.

3) Strengthen your core. Core strength for the injured back is not about force, instead about stability. Don't do situps and crunches which ask your body to apply force to resistance (gravity). Reverse the concept. Let gravity apply the force, you provide the resistance. BRIDGES are the key. Lie face down on the ground, now pick your body up, with the only things touching the ground are your elbows, forearms, and toes. Stay like that until your abs are burning. Rinse and repeat. If you need more or less resistance adjust the distance between your elbows and your toes (closer together = less resistance).

4) Massage the hips. For those of us with weak and hurting lower backs, it's not uncommon for those hips to do all the work. Digging into your hips pretty hard and working out all those joints (there are many) can be heaven. Remember the hips are not just the bony protrosions on your sides. Work everything from the front of your leg just above your quads all the way around back, the entire buttocks your waist and just above your hamstring.

5) Correct bad habits. I have a CRAZY turnout. Basically, my toes can point all the way out to my sides if I want them to, like a dancer. But I'm not at all as agile or flexible as a dancer. That's just how my body is. When I sleep on my back, my feet lie flat to the sides and my knees turn out. When I sit, I tend to cross one leg up onto my knee, againt turning the other knee out. I sit indian style on the floor a lot, turning both knees out. Over time, this posture has led to extreme muscle imbalances and it clearly bothers the same nerves that my injury effected, as my legs often fall asleep when I do these things. So, I've now come to adding "extreme opposites" to my little regimen. I go out of my way to not sit like that anymore. Sometimes, I'll point my knees and toes inward and flex every muscle in my hips in that direction. I'll do isometric exercises trying to push my knees together while sitting, and then trying to pull them apart, but using my hips and upper legs to keep them static.



Anyway, I hope this little blurb helps. Good luck to all of you out there who are suffering. Also, I'd like to add that I don't believe in chiropractors. I try to avoid medication if at all possible. I will NOT have any type of fusion surgery. And lastly, if I were to get an artificial disc, I'd go to Germany to get it done where the technology was invented, perfected and is significantly cheaper.

JohninGpt
12-21-2007, 06:24 PM
=mcan... BRIDGES are the key. Lie face down on the ground, now pick your body up, with the only things touching the ground are your elbows, forearms, and toes. Stay like that until your abs are burning. Rinse and repeat. If you need more or less resistance adjust the distance between your elbows and your toes (closer together = less resistance).
Maybe it depends on the location of the back injury. I have a bulging disk in my lower back. I've tried this exercise, we call them "planks", and I end up in pain for about four days afterwords.

Buzz
12-21-2007, 06:31 PM
When sleeeping or relaxing, try placing a source of heat by your location of pain :)

Ice worked for me...

JohninGpt
12-21-2007, 06:33 PM
Ice worked for me...
My Doc says ice then heat. I prefer the heat part myself. I sit in a scalding hot tub for an hour or so and feel much better.

Buzz
12-21-2007, 06:37 PM
My Doc says ice then heat. I prefer the heat part myself. I sit in a scalding hot tub for an hour or so and feel much better.

I just know the ice would numb it enough so I could walk without my knees buckling. Been there it sucks! :cuss:

mcan
12-21-2007, 06:41 PM
Maybe it depends on the location of the back injury. I have a bulging disk in my lower back. I've tried this exercise, we call them "planks", and I end up in pain for about four days afterwords.


Then either one of a couple things are happening.

1) The pain you are feeling is "discogenic" and no stretching can help. Only water and rest can help. Rest is obvious, but water is the key to healing a disc (as long as it's not dead). There is no blood flow to the discs, so they don't heal in the traditional way. They are healed through the bone marrow in the vertebre surrounding it. That marrow will only function correctly if you are completely hydrated.

2) You're not capable of keeping your back straight during the exercise. If you start sagging at all, the tension goes from your abs to your arms and lower back. Any tension on the lower back causes more inflammation, and more pain. In that case, avoid the exercise, or do it on your knees instead of your toes. Concentrate on keeping your back arched UP like a cat, instead of letting it sag. It's also possible that you've been protecting your back for so long, that you're doing the exercise fine, but FLEXING your lower back on your own. This can cause the same inflammation.

3) Your disc is degnerated enough to have bone hitting a nerve (it can happen). Any pressure, or exercise, or even standing up can cause severe, mind numbing, pain. Rest and surgery seem to be your options.

JohninGpt
12-21-2007, 06:47 PM
...It's also possible that you've been protecting your back for so long, that you're doing the exercise fine, but FLEXING your lower back on your own. This can cause the same inflammation...
I'd guess this is the case. I've had problems off and on over the past 20 years. Being a "big, tough, military guy" I generally shrugged it off, back problem can end careers prematurely. Now I'm at the end of my career anyway, and I've abused it long enough that I probably deserve whatever I get.

stumppy
12-21-2007, 06:59 PM
I'd guess this is the case. I've had problems off and on over the past 20 years. Being a "big, tough, military guy" I generally shrugged it off, back problem can end careers prematurely. Now I'm at the end of my career anyway, and I've abused it long enough that I probably deserve whatever I get.


Thats what I did. I kept working after I injured it. After about 4 years the only thing I accomplished was making it worse. I ended up with a disc that was smashed out flat and two vertebra smashed together with a few bone chips here and there. I'd have a Dr. check it out ASAP if I were you. And believe me, you will get to the point where you say " I damn sure didn't deserve this".

JohninGpt
12-21-2007, 07:08 PM
Thats what I did. I kept working after I injured it. After about 4 years the only thing I accomplished was making it worse. I ended up with a disc that was smashed out flat and two vertebra smashed together with a few bone chips here and there. I'd have a Dr. check it out ASAP if I were you. And believe me, you will get to the point where you say " I damn sure didn't deserve this".
I am being treated now. X-ray showed a bulging disc that was pinching my ciatic nerve. The ortho doc referred me to chiro. He popped it back where it's supposed to be, but a couple weeks ago I turned wrong and popped it out again. After two visits to chiro and numerous visits to my bathtub, I'm doing much better.
I have no doubt that sometime down the road I'll pop it out again.

Simplex3
12-21-2007, 07:39 PM
Acupuncture and marijuana....
I've thought often about doing acupuncture for my knee. How do you like it?

KC Tattoo
12-22-2007, 10:43 AM
I know back pain, in high shool I got speared in the back after revovering a ball in a fumble drill in practice. That hurt like a Mother F^cker and I've had back pain ever since. What's sad is that if that didn't happen, I could have gone pro & if coach put me in the state game :( .

Skip Towne
12-22-2007, 10:50 AM
My back feels fine.

DeepPurple
12-22-2007, 12:04 PM
Last spring after raking my yard for a few minutes my back got very stiff and it became painful to do anymore work. I went to a back doctor and after looking at the x-rays she ordered, she said for a 57 year old your back looks pretty good. She didn't see any problems with my spine and said all you need is a muscle relaxer.

I don't have a problem with meds, in fact I was hoping they would give me a buzz but unfortunately they didn't, just took away the pain. It's called Flexeril, I get the generic Cyclobenzapr 10mg at Walmart for $4 for 30.

Joe Seahawk
12-22-2007, 01:45 PM
I had a L1 burst fracture and have a titanium cage wrapped around my spine. My pain is lower back and the Doc doesn't know if it's because of all the hardware in my back or a disc that's protruding.
I've been on oxycodone for about 3 years now. When it really starts acting up, I go in for an epidural steroid injection.
As much as it may sound like it'll make it hurt more, pt will most likely do more good than bad. I've also found that aggressive back rubs help.

Hope you get to feeling better, I know how you feel.

I also had an L-1 burst fracture, however i didn't require cage fusion surgery. FWIW my back feels generally pretty good these days (knock on wood)

Physical therapy and deep massage (it hurts, there is no happy ending) did wonders for my back..

rtmike
12-22-2007, 02:51 PM
I also had an L-1 burst fracture, however i didn't require cage fusion surgery. FWIW my back feels generally pretty good these days (knock on wood)

Physical therapy and deep massage (it hurts, there is no happy ending) did wonders for my back..


Sorry. Did your burst get into your spinal column. May I ask how? How'd they "heal" it, with a back brace only? I hated mine, couldn't take a shower for over 3 months.

I was riding in the Oregon dunes Winchester Bay and took off chasing a buddy who had sprayed me with sand. Followed him over a 40' widow's peak.

Sorry for drifting off topic, he's also from the NW with a similar injury.

Joe Seahawk
12-22-2007, 03:22 PM
Sorry. Did your burst get into your spinal column. May I ask how? How'd they "heal" it, with a back brace only? I hated mine, couldn't take a shower for over 3 months.

I was riding in the Oregon dunes Winchester Bay and took off chasing a buddy who had sprayed me with sand. Followed him over a 40' widow's peak.

Sorry for drifting off topic, he's also from the NW with a similar injury.


The debris from my fracture was far enough away from my spinal cord that the docs treated it with the plastic body brace thing full time for 16 weeks.. Yes it sucked, because I had also severed all ligaments in my left knee.

Mine occured when a Personal watercraft spark plug and vibrated out of the cylinder head pumping the hull with air fuel mixture. after it briefly started, the next time i turned the key the spark plug shorted on the block causing a spark and a powerful explosion that ejected me approx 20' into the air.. good times :rolleyes:

Bill Parcells
12-22-2007, 03:27 PM
Try keeping your wallet in your front pocket. Sitting on that thing all day while driving/working/etc puts a lot of strain on your lower back.
How big is your wallet? Geez! :)

I use one of these. it's a front pocket wallet with a clip.



http://www.epinions.com/images/opti/bd/93/pr-Luggage-Dopp_Front_Pocket_Wallet-resized200.jpg

Guru
12-22-2007, 03:31 PM
I have back pain since I shoveled my driveway. damn weather.

Extra Point
12-22-2007, 04:44 PM
SIT UPS.

barry_smilez20
12-22-2007, 06:30 PM
ive always like to spray my back down with a can of W D 40 that seems to do the trick

Chiefmanwillcatch
12-22-2007, 07:07 PM
The debris from my fracture was far enough away from my spinal cord that the docs treated it with the plastic body brace thing full time for 16 weeks.. Yes it sucked, because I had also severed all ligaments in my left knee.

Mine occured when a Personal watercraft spark plug and vibrated out of the cylinder head pumping the hull with air fuel mixture. after it briefly started, the next time i turned the key the spark plug shorted on the block causing a spark and a powerful explosion that ejected me approx 20' into the air.. good times :rolleyes:


damn thats crazy. Hope you heal.

KCwolf
12-22-2007, 09:50 PM
Once U hit 40...physical life seems to decline....my back is killing me as I type....short of joining a gym or taking up running...the end is near.

mcan
12-22-2007, 10:46 PM
I'm 28 and have been living without discs at L5/S1 and at L4/L5 for nearly ten years. The discs are black on MRI. The moment the first one burst was one of the worst moments of my life. The second was less painfull initially, but my leg lost all feeling and I lost the ability to move my calf on the left side.



I have been living pretty normally though. I rehabbed the leg and now I have all movement back and almost all feeling. (just one spot a couple inches in diameter that is still completely numb, I think it's just dead).



The disc pain is gone, as there is no disc left. I now have the chronic pain that has been described countless times in this thead. Here's how I have learned to alleviate it. When I get lazy and stop doing these things, it comes back. It's tough though because I can get to the point where it almost completely goes away and then I forget to do this stuff.



1) Stretch your hamstrings. Don't bend over and the waist. You dont' want to stretch the lower back, there is enough stress on those muscles already. Keep your posterior chain straight the whole time. Bend from the top of your legs just below your butt. You won't be able to go down very far before your hamstrings get extremely tight. Mild, but immediate relief.

2) Stretch the psoas. Go down like you're taking a knee at football practice. Keep your back knee in one spot while your front foot goes forward. Keep your shoulders up and squarely facing front. Basically it looks like a lunge on your knees. This should stretch the front of your pelvis pretty darn good. That psoas is buried in there, but this hits it directly.

3) Strengthen your core. Core strength for the injured back is not about force, instead about stability. Don't do situps and crunches which ask your body to apply force to resistance (gravity). Reverse the concept. Let gravity apply the force, you provide the resistance. BRIDGES are the key. Lie face down on the ground, now pick your body up, with the only things touching the ground are your elbows, forearms, and toes. Stay like that until your abs are burning. Rinse and repeat. If you need more or less resistance adjust the distance between your elbows and your toes (closer together = less resistance).

4) Massage the hips. For those of us with weak and hurting lower backs, it's not uncommon for those hips to do all the work. Digging into your hips pretty hard and working out all those joints (there are many) can be heaven. Remember the hips are not just the bony protrosions on your sides. Work everything from the front of your leg just above your quads all the way around back, the entire buttocks your waist and just above your hamstring.

5) Correct bad habits. I have a CRAZY turnout. Basically, my toes can point all the way out to my sides if I want them to, like a dancer. But I'm not at all as agile or flexible as a dancer. That's just how my body is. When I sleep on my back, my feet lie flat to the sides and my knees turn out. When I sit, I tend to cross one leg up onto my knee, againt turning the other knee out. I sit indian style on the floor a lot, turning both knees out. Over time, this posture has led to extreme muscle imbalances and it clearly bothers the same nerves that my injury effected, as my legs often fall asleep when I do these things. So, I've now come to adding "extreme opposites" to my little regimen. I go out of my way to not sit like that anymore. Sometimes, I'll point my knees and toes inward and flex every muscle in my hips in that direction. I'll do isometric exercises trying to push my knees together while sitting, and then trying to pull them apart, but using my hips and upper legs to keep them static.



Anyway, I hope this little blurb helps. Good luck to all of you out there who are suffering. Also, I'd like to add that I don't believe in chiropractors. I try to avoid medication if at all possible. I will NOT have any type of fusion surgery. And lastly, if I were to get an artificial disc, I'd go to Germany to get it done where the technology was invented, perfected and is significantly cheaper.



Bump.

Normally I wouldn't bump my own posts, but I really think it might be able to help people out. I urge you guys with problems to try some of these, or all of these and get back to me. I'm curious how much of it actually helps. Like I said, for me the pain is often IMMEDIATELY relived or lessened quite a bit. And I believe my injuries are as bad as they can get without actually effecting the spinal cord or the bone.

Bacon Cheeseburger
12-23-2007, 12:23 AM
Once U hit 40...physical life seems to decline....my back is killing me as I type....short of joining a gym or taking up running...the end is near.
Ain't that the truth, I'm 39, and I'm feeling it already.

luv
12-23-2007, 08:25 AM
I've learned not to mess around with back pain. I'd do see your doctor.