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Dicky McElephant
12-18-2007, 08:03 PM
http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=289216&GT1=7703

Not Britney....her 16 year old sister.

Jamie Lynn Spears Says She's Pregnant
Dec. 18, 2007, 8:29 PM EST

The Associated Press

Another Spears baby is reportedly on the way — and it's not Britney's.

Jamie Lynn Spears, the 16-year-old "Zoey 101" star and sister of Britney, tells OK! magazine that she's pregnant and that the father is her longtime boyfriend, Casey Aldridge.

"It was a shock for both of us, so unexpected," she says. "I was in complete and total shock and so was he."

Spears is 12 weeks along and initially kept the news to herself when she learned of the pregnancy from an at-home test and subsequent doctor visit, she told the celebrity magazine, which hits stands in New York on Wednesday and the rest of the country by Friday.
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"As soon as I found out for sure from the doctor, I took two weeks to myself where I didn't tell anybody," she says. "Only one of my friends knew because I needed to work out what I would do for myself before I let anyone's opinion affect my decision. Then I told my parents and my friends. I was scared, but I had to do what was right for me."

Spears broke the news to her mother, Lynne, just before Thanksgiving, the magazine says.

"She was very upset because it wasn't what she expected at all," Spears says. "A week after, she had time to cope with it and became very supportive."

Lynne Spears, already grandmother to Britney's young sons, says: "I didn't believe it because Jamie Lynn's always been so conscientious.

She's never late for her curfew. I was in shock. I mean, this is my 16-year-old baby."

She says her actress daughter, the telegenic heroine of the popular Nickelodeon series "Zoey 101," has known Aldridge for years and began dating him in high school.

Jamie Lynn plans to raise the baby in her home state of Louisiana — "so it can have a normal family life."

The third season of "Zoey 101" wraps up Jan. 4.

"I haven't spoken to (Nickelodeon) personally, but they have always been so great to me over the past years and have given me so many opportunities."

What message does she want to send to other teens about premarital sex?

"I definitely don't think it's something you should do; it's better to wait," she says. "But I can't be judgmental because it's a position I put myself in."

DBO82
12-18-2007, 08:05 PM
Im sure momma Spears is sooo proud.

Tribal Warfare
12-18-2007, 08:07 PM
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Valiant
12-18-2007, 08:07 PM
Wow dumb runs in that family..

The guy knocked her up before she blew up though.. Way to stick your foot in the door... ahah..

DaKCMan AP
12-18-2007, 08:08 PM
:doh!:

Steamboat Springs
12-18-2007, 08:08 PM
I wish it was my dick that did the damage.

HolmeZz
12-18-2007, 08:12 PM
Terrible.

Cochise
12-18-2007, 08:17 PM
Jeez. That chick was born in 1991.

Cochise
12-18-2007, 08:17 PM
Well she can't do any worse than her sister. britney's kids probably run around the house all day naked covered in blood and dirt and chocolate in some kind of lord of the flies situation.

Baconeater
12-18-2007, 08:18 PM
Jamie Lynn plans to raise the baby in her home state of Louisiana — "so it can have a normal family life."
Good luck with that.

Valiant
12-18-2007, 08:18 PM
Well she can't do any worse than her sister. britney's kids probably run around the house all day naked covered in blood and dirt and chocolate in some kind of lord of the flies situation.


What ever Piggie...

KcMizzou
12-18-2007, 08:18 PM
Jeez. That chick was born in 1991.I graduated highschool in 92.




:(

Buck
12-18-2007, 08:20 PM
Jeez. That chick was born in 1991.
Im pretty sure so was the kid who killed Sean Taylor...

HolmeZz
12-18-2007, 08:20 PM
Jeez. That chick was born in 1991.

Ah, 1991. I remember it like it was just yesterday.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/jrc6248/sleepinusa.jpg

Buck
12-18-2007, 08:22 PM
And shes got teh herp.

http://www.fatbackandcollards.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/jamie-lynn-spears-premier-4.jpg

Adept Havelock
12-18-2007, 08:24 PM
Time to upgrade to the Double-Wide. They'll need the space.

I wish it was my dick that did the damage.

Why don't you have a seat over there. Dumbass.

.

Cochise
12-18-2007, 08:28 PM
http://www.wwtdd.com//ul/3258-bs711.jpg

JBucc
12-18-2007, 08:29 PM
This one will be born pregnant.

NUKED
12-18-2007, 08:30 PM
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Buck
12-18-2007, 08:31 PM
Banishment in 3,2,1...

Very, very nice though...

KcMizzou
12-18-2007, 08:31 PM
Banishment in 3,2,1...Hmmmmm.. who might that be?
:rolleyes:

Cochise
12-18-2007, 08:38 PM
what was that?

KcMizzou
12-18-2007, 08:39 PM
what was that?Porn.

HolmeZz
12-18-2007, 08:40 PM
Was it exposed clitorati?

KcMizzou
12-18-2007, 08:44 PM
Was it exposed clitorati?Not entirely sure... I didn't scroll down all the way. My kids are in the room.

kstater
12-18-2007, 08:45 PM
How exactly can you have a longtime boyfriend when you are only 16? Is long time considered 2 months?

Fish
12-18-2007, 08:46 PM
How exactly can you have a longtime boyfriend when you are only 16? Is long time considered 2 months?

Like forever!

Bwana
12-18-2007, 08:46 PM
Something tells me momma Spears didn't adhere to this simple advise.

KcMizzou
12-18-2007, 08:48 PM
Man, you couldn't pay me enough to be a mod.

HolmeZz
12-18-2007, 08:48 PM
Yeah, it's exposed clitorati.

Baconeater
12-18-2007, 08:49 PM
I didn't think imageshack allowed you to use their hosting services for porn.

Marco Polo
12-18-2007, 08:50 PM
I think this should be moved to the pictures forum.

kstater
12-18-2007, 08:50 PM
This shouldn't take long.

Thig Lyfe
12-18-2007, 08:51 PM
I guess that dude liked Zoey 101 so much that he took it behind the middle school and got it pregnant.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-18-2007, 08:51 PM
ROFL

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-18-2007, 08:52 PM
This reminds me of that time last year when some dude named Hamms spammed the entire board with Milfhunter pr0n.

kstater
12-18-2007, 08:54 PM
Dude's gonna get like 20 threads before he gets yanked. I'm kind of impressed with his speed.

Bwana
12-18-2007, 08:57 PM
Dude's gonna get like 20 threads before he gets yanked. I'm kind of impressed with his speed.

His girlfriend..................not so much.

Fish
12-18-2007, 08:59 PM
Hamms was simply misunderstood....

kstater
12-18-2007, 09:00 PM
His girlfriend..................not so much.


You think a guy posting pr0n on an internet message board has a girlfriend?

KcMizzou
12-18-2007, 09:00 PM
Hamms was simply misunderstood....Looks friendly enough to me.

Bob Dole
12-18-2007, 09:00 PM
Someone didn't beat their kid's ass enough.

Bwana
12-18-2007, 09:01 PM
You think a guy posting pr0n on an internet message board has a girlfriend?

Valid point, make that his pet goat.

Halfcan
12-18-2007, 09:35 PM
What a Loser!!

ChiefaRoo
12-18-2007, 09:41 PM
I wish it was my dick that did the damage.

Moron.

88TG88
12-18-2007, 09:41 PM
Lucky bastard, he's set for life.

Mecca
12-18-2007, 10:11 PM
They're from Louisiana 16 is old enough down there.

CrimsonChief
12-18-2007, 10:16 PM
whores whores whores

Mecca
12-18-2007, 10:17 PM
Well I don't know if that makes her a "whore"

irishjayhawk
12-18-2007, 10:18 PM
She and her mom recently attended a screening of JUNO. That's ironic. Though JUNO is really good.

Frazod
12-18-2007, 10:24 PM
Too bad mama Spears can't take both of them down to the local humane society for a free spaying.

Mr. Laz
12-18-2007, 10:36 PM
Too bad mama Spears can't take both of them down to the local humane society for a free spaying.
for real .......



you can take the white trash out of the trailer park but .......

DaWolf
12-18-2007, 10:43 PM
Marcus Spears is pregnant?

Mecca
12-18-2007, 10:44 PM
Marcus Spears is pregnant?

LOL......his G/F looks like a dude.....but that's another story for another day.

VonneMarie
12-18-2007, 10:48 PM
Babies having babies. :shake:

Mecca
12-18-2007, 10:53 PM
Babies having babies. :shake:

Well at least they aren't poor and don't need welfare.

listopencil
12-18-2007, 11:12 PM
Jeez. That chick was born in 1991.

Wow. My wife and I both drive '91 vehicles.

DaneMcCloud
12-19-2007, 12:17 AM
Wow. My wife and I both drive '91 vehicles.

Are they both........ wait for it......


White Ford Broncos?

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 06:26 AM
"It was a shock for both of us, so unexpected," she says. "I was in complete and total shock and so was he."

ROFL

chagrin
12-19-2007, 06:33 AM
They're from Louisiana 16 is old enough down there.

I know you're joking, but have you looked around? 16 year olds are pregnant everywhere around the country.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 06:41 AM
Heh, the best part of this story is Mama Spears was set to come out with a parenting book. The publisher has delayed it indefinitely.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/hum/detail/index.jsp?uuid=6340f6e8-9346-4a9c-b982-c371ba295bb0&sid=fd-hum

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 06:47 AM
I know you're joking, but have you looked around? 16 year olds are pregnant everywhere around the country.

I assume that like here, most High Schools now provide the daycare(the total promotion and resposibilty removal program) service.

chagrin
12-19-2007, 06:49 AM
Heh, the best part of this story is Mama Spears was set to come out with a parenting book. The publisher has delayed it indefinitely.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0Hello - commatard on the loose.20167088,00.html


Link's dead - sounds pretty funny though. She's the last person that should be writing one of those

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 06:50 AM
Heh, the best part of this story is Mama Spears was set to come out with a parenting book. The publisher has delayed it indefinitely.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20167088,00.html

Now that is funny.
Thats like Solari coming out with a "How to keep NFL defense's guessing" book.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 06:51 AM
Link's dead - sounds pretty funny though. She's the last person that should be writing one of those
Worked for me....

Lynne Spears's Parenting Book 'Delayed Indefinitely'
TUESDAY DECEMBER 18, 2007 10:15 PM EST

By Marisa Laudadio

Lynne Spears

Lynne Spears's book about raising her famous daughters Britney and Jamie Lynn has been put on hold, the publisher confirms to PEOPLE.

"The book is delayed indefinitely. It's delayed, not cancelled," says a spokeswoman for Thomas Nelson, which publishes inspirational books and Bibles.

It had been scheduled for a spring 2008 release and was put on hold last week, says the rep. On Tuesday, news hit that 16-year-old Jamie Lynn is pregnant with her boyfriend's child.

Publishers' Weekly described the book as "Lynne Spears's personal story of raising high-profile children while coming from a low-profile Louisiana community."

The publisher declined to comment on whether the focus of the book would change in light of the pregnancy announcement.

"We are standing behind Lynn at this time and understand that she needs time with her family – we support that," says the spokeswoman.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 06:57 AM
Link's dead - sounds pretty funny though. She's the last person that should be writing one of those

Try this one:
http://www.eonline.com/gossip/hum/detail/index.jsp?uuid=6340f6e8-9346-4a9c-b982-c371ba295bb0&sid=fd-hum

munkey
12-19-2007, 07:20 AM
So she makes what....15-20k a month and can't afford a prescription for birth control...

Just because one has money doesn't mean the kid won't suffer from his parents eventual break up when he/she's around 3 or 4 years old.

cadmonkey
12-19-2007, 07:43 AM
Apparently, the redneck doesn't fall to far from the tree.

Radar Chief
12-19-2007, 07:48 AM
Apparently, the redneck doesn't fall to far from the trailer home.

FYP.

memyselfI
12-19-2007, 07:51 AM
The girl has made a mistake. Nearly every person on this board either made the same one or was damn lucky not to...

so let's refrain from calling her names because of this particular issue.

If you want to lash out at anyone then try her 'parents' as they've succeeded in raising two young women who had the world in front of them and have both made horrible errors in judgment and putting their futures at risk.

Jamie Lynn now faces the distinct possibility of following in Britney's footsteps in more ways than one. :banghead: Her parents should hide in shame.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 07:54 AM
The girl has made a mistake. Nearly every person on this board either made the same one or was damn lucky not to...

so let's refrain from calling her names because of this particular issue.

If you want to lash out at anyone then try her 'parents' as they've succeeded in raising two young women who had the world in front of them and have both made horrible errors in judgment and putting their futures at risk.

Jamie Lynn now faces the distinct possibility of following in Britney's footsteps in more ways than one. :banghead: Her parents should hide in shame.

Yeah - she shouldn't shoulder any of the blame or responsibility of her own actions - it's 100% the parents fault!

:stupid:

memyselfI
12-19-2007, 08:00 AM
Yeah - she shouldn't shoulder any of the blame or responsibility of her own actions - it's 100% the parents fault!

:stupid:

Don't know where you read that particular statement. It wasn't from my post. Clearly, she's been subjected to the same parenting, lack of, that her head case older sister has endured. Thus, MOST of the blame does lie with the parents because neither of these girls got what they needed from them.

If it was an isolated incident then you could blame the child. When it's a pattern, the blame lies with the parents.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 08:01 AM
Don't know where you read that particular statement. It wasn't from my post. Clearly, she's been subjected to the same parenting, lack of, that her head case older sister has endured. Thus, MOST of the blame does lie with the parents because neither of these girls got what they needed from them.

The girl has made a mistake. Nearly every person on this board either made the same one or was damn lucky not to...

so let's refrain from calling her names because of this particular issue.

If you want to lash out at anyone then try her 'parents' as they've succeeded in raising two young women who had the world in front of them and have both made horrible errors in judgment and putting their futures at risk.

If it was an isolated incident then you could blame the child. When it's the pattern, the blame lies with the parents.

Britney was pregnant at 16?

memyselfI
12-19-2007, 08:02 AM
I assume that like here, most High Schools now provide the daycare(the total promotion and resposibilty removal program) service.

Give me a break. You damn them if they have an abortion and damn them if they try to keep their baby and stay in school. Perhaps turning them into forced laborers for rich barren women is the answer.

memyselfI
12-19-2007, 08:03 AM
Britney was pregnant at 16?

Not that we know of. She was, however, being pimped and prostituted for music money at just over that age. She was sexualized early and often in order to make a name for herself.

stevieray
12-19-2007, 08:13 AM
Give me a break. You damn them if they have an abortion and damn them if they try to keep their baby and stay in school. Perhaps turning them into forced laborers for rich barren women is the answer.

perhaps keeping their legs closed is the answer.

Cochise
12-19-2007, 08:13 AM
in before the first andrea yates joke.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 08:19 AM
perhaps keeping their legs closed is the answer.

Or using protection.

chagrin
12-19-2007, 09:04 AM
so let's refrain from calling her names because of this particular issue..

f* that slut


If you want to lash out at anyone then

I agree, f*ck you too


just keepin it real on this mutha ****a

chagrin
12-19-2007, 09:05 AM
Perhaps turning them into forced laborers for rich barren women is the answer.

Not a bad idea, it worked for you didn't it?

Dicky McElephant
12-19-2007, 09:10 AM
The only thing that could possibly make this any funnier......is if Kevin Federline was the father.

luv
12-19-2007, 09:13 AM
Wow, females in Hollywood should stop drinking the water. Nicole Richy (sp?) is prego, Jessica Alba......

Bowser
12-19-2007, 09:33 AM
Wow, females in Hollywood should stop drinking the water. Nicole Richy (sp?) is prego, Jessica Alba......

"All my rich friends are having babies. It's the COOLEST!"

luv
12-19-2007, 09:35 AM
"All my rich friends are having babies. It's the COOLEST!"
HA!

I heard Paris wants to get pregnant now, so her and Nicole can have their babies together. Oh, and you know she'd make a great mom. ROFL

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 09:58 AM
Give me a break. You damn them if they have an abortion and damn them if they try to keep their baby and stay in school. Perhaps turning them into forced laborers for rich barren women is the answer.

I haven't damned anyone but I can see that what ever they are doing to help the problem...isnt working. You think that abstinence is foolish but it does work 100% of the time. I'm with you in that the parent also takes responsibility for these problems. As you can see the issue will continue to manifest and perpetuate itself when children raise children.

Gonzo
12-19-2007, 10:07 AM
I haven't damned anyone but I can see that what ever they are doing to help the problem...isnt working. You think that abstinence is foolish but it does work 100% of the time. I'm with you in that the parent also takes responsibility for these problems. As you can see the issue will continue to manifest and perpetuate itself when children raise children.


Meh...Keep on preaching abstinence. Eventually the entire world will turn into pimple-popping, internet geeks who are obsessed with Star Wars and masturbation.

(Sorry Goatse)

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 10:09 AM
Meh...Keep on preaching abstinence. Eventually the entire world will turn into pimple-popping, internet geeks who are obsessed with Star Wars and masturbation.

(Sorry Goatse)

No, that's decided at birth, not what you're taught/not taught. What will happen with pure abstinence education is teen pregnancy and STDs will rise.

Saulbadguy
12-19-2007, 10:12 AM
Don't fool yourself girl, it's goin in your poop chute.

Stinger
12-19-2007, 10:13 AM
I wish it was my dick that did the damage.

:shake:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/stinger871/jail.jpg

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 10:23 AM
Meh...Keep on preaching abstinence. Eventually the entire world will turn into pimple-popping, internet geeks who are obsessed with Star Wars and masturbation.

(Sorry Goatse)
:hmmm:
Wasnt a problem nor issue 40-50yrs ago when people also led normal happy productive lives.

Saulbadguy
12-19-2007, 10:23 AM
:hmmm:
Wasnt a problem nor issue 40-50yrs ago when people also led normal happy productive lives.
When teenagers never got pregnant, and all was well in TV land.

seclark
12-19-2007, 10:27 AM
When teenagers never got pregnant, and all was well in TV land.
damn straight...ellie mae clampet never got into this shit when she moved to the big city.
sec

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 10:28 AM
:hmmm:
Wasnt a problem nor issue 40-50yrs ago when people also led normal happy productive lives.

BS. Almost 40 years ago (1972) teen pregnancy rates were 20 points higher than 2002.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 10:32 AM
What will happen with pure abstinence education is teen pregnancy and STDs will rise.
The easy trick to stopping a freight train is to not let it start moving. I agree that throwing "abstinence" at the sexual mentality of this generation is like throwing darts at the Goodyear blimp, it will definitely let some air in spots but it aint going to pop it. Again, agree or not, like it or not, its 100% effective against teen pregnancy and STDs.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 10:34 AM
The easy trick to stopping a freight train is to not let it start moving. I agree that throwing "abstinence" at the sexual mentality of this generation is like throwing darts at the Goodyear blimp, it will definitely let some air in spots but it aint going to pop it. Again, agree or not, like it or not, its 100% effective against teen pregnancy and STDs.

In theory. In practice, abstinence doesn't work because no matter what you preach, teens wont stay abstinent. Never have.

Saulbadguy
12-19-2007, 10:34 AM
The easy trick to stopping a freight train is to not let it start moving. I agree that throwing "abstinence" at the sexual mentality of this generation is like throwing darts at the Goodyear blimp, it will definitely let some air in spots but it aint going to pop it. Again, agree or not, like it or not, its 100% effective against teen pregnancy and STDs.
No one will shoot each other if there are no guns in the world.

Gonzo
12-19-2007, 10:36 AM
:hmmm:
Wasnt a problem nor issue 40-50yrs ago when people also led normal happy productive lives.


You're right... It's not like chicks were'nt getting back-room abortions by some dude with a coat hanger while thier husbands were off fighting overseas right?

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 10:52 AM
BS. Almost 40 years ago (1972) teen pregnancy rates were 20 points higher than 2002.

Uhhh....40 to 50 years ago is 1950's and early 60's, or which is prior to the liberation of the late 60's. You can throw up all the statistics you want but you can ask any that lived back then and they will tell you that it although it happened, it was rare. Your closing your eyes if you cant see that there is a growing problem with the sexual mindset of many of the young people today.

Saulbadguy
12-19-2007, 10:55 AM
You can throw up all the statistics you want but you can ask any that lived back then and they will tell you that it although it happened, it was rare. Your closing your eyes if you cant see that there is a growing problem with the sexual mindset of many of the young people today.
ROFL

Seriously, prove it with statistics..but those aren't true, just ask some one that lived "back in the day" and they will set you straight.

Good lord.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 10:57 AM
Uhhh....40 to 50 years ago is 1950's and early 60's, or which is prior to the liberation of the late 60's. You can throw up all the statistics you want but you can ask any that lived back then and they will tell you that it although it happened, it was rare. Your closing your eyes if you cant see that there is a growing problem with the sexual mindset of many of the young people today.

No, it wasn't rare, it was hidden.

Mecca
12-19-2007, 10:57 AM
I'm sure everything was better 50 years ago.....some people have that mindset to everything.

eazyb81
12-19-2007, 10:57 AM
Heh, the best part of this story is Mama Spears was set to come out with a parenting book. The publisher has delayed it indefinitely.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/hum/detail/index.jsp?uuid=6340f6e8-9346-4a9c-b982-c371ba295bb0&sid=fd-hum

Heh, this was the first thing I thought of when I heard the news about little Spears.

Sad thing is that I guarantee it would still be a best-seller because there are so many dumbasses in the world.

God, what a joke of a family.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 10:58 AM
In theory. In practice, abstinence doesn't work because no matter what you preach, teens wont stay abstinent. Never have.
Never....really? You can bet most grandmothers and great grandmothers were all virgins when they got married and also some moms and sisters.

Saulbadguy
12-19-2007, 10:58 AM
I'm sure everything was better 50 years ago.....some people have that mindset to everything.
Only old people. Although I imagine that will be young peoples mindset when they grow up.

"Back in the day..."

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 11:00 AM
Never....really? You can bet most grandmothers and great grandmothers were all virgins when they got married and also some moms and sisters.

Sure. :rolleyes:

Mecca
12-19-2007, 11:00 AM
C-Mac loved the era when no one talked about everything and everything was all hidden...

Just because no one talked about things doesn't mean they didn't happen....you are basing everything off perception and not reality.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 11:03 AM
ROFL

Seriously, prove it with statistics..but those aren't true, just ask some one that lived "back in the day" and they will set you straight.

Good lord.
ROFL
Seriously, show us all the statistics of the 50's and early 60' or ask somone who lived back then. I guess asking a WW2 veteran about the details of the war carries no merit.....you know because we have history books.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 11:06 AM
ROFL
Seriously, show us all the statistics of the 50's and early 60' or ask somone who lived back then. I guess asking a WW2 veteran about the details of the war carries no merit.....you know because we have history books.

You base all of your opinions and views off of anecdotal evidence?

Bowser
12-19-2007, 11:07 AM
ROFL
Seriously, show us all the statistics of the 50's and early 60' or ask somone who lived back then. I guess asking a WW2 veteran about the details of the war carries no merit.....you know because we have history books.

I'd say it happened just as much back then, but it certainly wasn't "sensationalized" as it is today. A bit of a taboo back then.

Saulbadguy
12-19-2007, 11:09 AM
ROFL
Seriously, show us all the statistics of the 50's and early 60' or ask somone who lived back then. I guess asking a WW2 veteran about the details of the war carries no merit.....you know because we have history books.
My dad lived back then, but I imagine he smoked too much hash to care about teenage pregnancy rates.

We rely on statistics because anecdotal evidence is generally unreliable.

Saulbadguy
12-19-2007, 11:09 AM
I'd say it happened just as much back then, but it certainly wasn't "sensationalized" as it is today. A bit of a taboo back then.
Couple that with the fact that there was only 3 channels on television back then, and no 24 hour news network to tell us that we are an immoral, terrible society ....yeah.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 11:11 AM
C-Mac loved the era when no one talked about everything and everything was all hidden...

Just because no one talked about things doesn't mean they didn't happen....you are basing everything off perception and not reality.

Trust me, I'm a realist and I never said it didnt happen. I said it was rare and its nowhere near the percentage that it is now. It was hidden because it was frowned upon and it should have been. Is there any reason or profit to bring a child into the world without having any family structure whatsoever? Also, I never said that all teenagers will stop having sex if you teach abstinence, I said that its 100% effective for those that do.

HolmeZz
12-19-2007, 11:20 AM
Never....really? You can bet most grandmothers and great grandmothers were all virgins when they got married and also some moms and sisters.

That's plain silly.

And it shouldn't be a shock that rates would be lower than in the past. We know more about the consequences of sex and the prevention of pregnancy.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 11:23 AM
Couple that with the fact that there was only 3 channels on television back then, and no 24 hour news network to tell us that we are an immoral, terrible society ....yeah.

....or to give us tips on how to become an immoral society, for we all know that TV has never had any negative influence what-so-ever on anybody.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 11:34 AM
....or to give us tips on how to become an immoral society, for we all know that TV has never had any negative influence what-so-ever on anybody.

Who are you to say that premarital sex is immoral?

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 11:36 AM
We know more about the consequences of sex and the prevention of pregnancy.

Now thats funny.....like this generation just now figured it out the "consequences of sex".
ROFL
Its amazing how many of you here have no idea of how the world really was just a few generations ago. Sure, through out history there has always been similar problematic societal issues that occured, but it was rarer because the attitude toward pre-marital sex, the marriage bond and divorce was totally different. What is so wrong with wanting to marry someone who is a virgin?

Amnorix
12-19-2007, 11:42 AM
I'm sure everything was better 50 years ago.....some people have that mindset to everything.

Quoted for truth.

pikesome
12-19-2007, 11:42 AM
No, that's decided at birth, not what you're taught/not taught. What will happen with pure abstinence education is teen pregnancy and STDs will rise.

Preaching and practicing are two different things. Lets be honest, no one wants teens to be abstinent. Watch TV aimed at pre-teen and teen age kids, the girls are made up like 20-somethings on the prowl at the local singles joint. The guys who are "ladies men" are the cool ones, the ones who have trouble with girls are dorks.

We, adults, project on to kids what we want, not what is best for them. There's way too much sparing between adult ideologies around children, too many people using children to further their own beliefs and agendas. And that runs both ways, too many abstinence supporters fight tooth and nail against any other ideas, much like those who value the ability to screw who and when they want. It's never about what's best "for the children", it's always about making sure others agree with their own wants and desires.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 11:43 AM
Who are you to say that premarital sex is immoral?

Nobody, but many of your books, your TV shows and your experts in your society deem it so, or at least used to. I can say though that abstinence is 100% effective toward teen pregnancy and STD's. I guess to you there is no black and white, no right or wrong.....everything is a just a big gray mass.

HolmeZz
12-19-2007, 11:45 AM
Now thats funny.....like this generation just now figured it out the "consequences of sex".
ROFL

You want to convince me people knew just as much in the past about diseases and ways of prevention as they do now? Really?

What is so wrong with wanting to marry someone who is a virgin?

Sex is a big component of a relationship. Why would you enter a long term commitment if you don't even know if you have that chemistry with a person?

pikesome
12-19-2007, 11:47 AM
Who are you to say that premarital sex is immoral?

Is it safe to say it's a bad idea? I can't really come up with a situation where having sex before you're able to deal with the potentialities is ok. The point about abstinence being the only 100% effetive method isn't really debatable, people's ability to stick with is the problem.

HolmeZz
12-19-2007, 11:51 AM
Is it safe to say it's a bad idea? I can't really come up with a situation where having sex before you're able to deal with the potentialities is ok.

So just getting married makes you able to deal with the consequences?

Mecca
12-19-2007, 11:53 AM
So just getting married makes you able to deal with the consequences?

His argument sounds like my friend..........he got married and has 2 kids yet is still the most immature person I know. If you ever point out to him that maybe he needs to grow up since he has responsibilities he'll give you the "Oh I'm more mature than anyone I have a wife and kids" shit, it's really funny in a sad way.

pikesome
12-19-2007, 12:00 PM
So just getting married makes you able to deal with the consequences?

Kinda, not necessarily. But more able to if you don't have someone else for help. I'm not saying marriage is the only place for kids, couples who are in a tight relationship with at least the intent to stay together are much more able to deal with the problems kids bring. Money, time, added frustration, these are much easier with another adult who's on the same page.

I've walked both paths, abstinence and not, close relationship and not. I can't come up with a situation where having sex outside a lasting relationship is better, or even close, at least from the child potential. And semen anywhere near vaginas means a child potential.

pikesome
12-19-2007, 12:06 PM
His argument sounds like my friend..........he got married and has 2 kids yet is still the most immature person I know. If you ever point out to him that maybe he needs to grow up since he has responsibilities he'll give you the "Oh I'm more mature than anyone I have a wife and kids" shit, it's really funny in a sad way.

I'm not saying marriage = can care for kids. But it's better, in a general sense, that not being married (or the mentioned lasting relationship). Even if one half is still a shitty parent maybe the other can carry the load, if it was only one there'd be no one to fall back on.

It'd be nice if people who have no business with kids couldn't have them, we can't make that work though.

HolmeZz
12-19-2007, 12:07 PM
I can't come up with a situation where having sex outside a lasting relationship is better.

There's the problem. Marriage isn't guaranteeing a lasting relationship.

And I said before, sex is an important component to any relationship. You should know whether or not there's chemistry there before you commit to anything long term.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 12:08 PM
You want to convince me people knew just as much in the past about diseases and ways of prevention as they do now? Really?

Dude, how to get and prevent diseases is abc stuff, old news. Ever wonder why the military past out pamplets or why there was no STD "epidemic" back then? Good lord you act as if this "sex" thing is some new revelation.


Sex is a big component of a relationship. Why would you enter a long term commitment if you don't even know if you have that chemistry with a person?

Look, you are welcome to choose and live your life how you want. If your glad that your wife to be slept with every one and their brother looking for the right chemistry before she found you, good for you. But through out mans history, a virgin wife was very commonplace.

Dicky McElephant
12-19-2007, 12:10 PM
Well this thread lost its burst.....Jesus.

pikesome
12-19-2007, 12:12 PM
There's the problem. Marriage isn't guaranteeing a lasting relationship.

And I said before, sex is an important component to any relationship. You should know whether or not there's chemistry there before you commit to anything long term.

Chemistry doesn't mean, or shouldn't mean, sacktime alone. We, as a society, put too much stock in sex and not enough on all the other things.

I will agree about the marriage part though, I just can't see how it's worse than not being married. Better than bad doesn't equal good.

on edit:

Let me rephrase this: No marriage is worse, IMHO, than marriage. That doesn't make marriage good enough by itself though, some people need their DNA removed from the pool. And being married won't fix that.

Donger
12-19-2007, 12:13 PM
She should have done it doggy style. Females cannot be impregnated that way.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 12:14 PM
Well this thread lost its burst.....Jesus.
What...were you just trying to share the excitement for Jamie being pregnant?

seclark
12-19-2007, 12:17 PM
LEAVE BRITNEYS SISTER ALONE!!!!

Gonzo
12-19-2007, 12:17 PM
Where's Skip when you need him. He could shed some light on the subject.

Dicky McElephant
12-19-2007, 12:18 PM
What...were you just trying to share the excitement for Jamie being pregnant?
Exactly. ROFL

Threads that turn into moral discussions suck ass.

HolmeZz
12-19-2007, 12:24 PM
Dude, how to get and prevent diseases is abc stuff, old news.

How far are we going back here? STDs are a fairly recent phenomenon in the scheme of things. We don't even know all we need to know right now.

Good lord you act as if this "sex" thing is some new revelation.

That's more or less the way you're looking at it. You're acting as if this generation is any hornier and uncontrollable than the past. It's less of a taboo to be so now, but it was just as prevalent in past generations.

Look, you are welcome to choose and live your life how you want. If your glad that your wife to be slept with every one and their brother looking for the right chemistry before she found you, good for you.

I don't have a wife and I surely won't be looking for a whore to spend the rest of my life with. I would prefer that my future wife(if we even decide to get married) know definitively that I was the guy she wanted to spend the rest of her life with though. She, nor I, could be sure of that if we hadn't already explored everything our relationship could entail.

But through out mans history, a virgin wife was very commonplace.

Are we going all the way back? Because man predates the institution of marriage by just a teeny bit.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 01:09 PM
How far are we going back here? STDs are a fairly recent phenomenon in the scheme of things. We don't even know all we need to know right now.
Do your homework but you have just proved my point...next.

That's more or less the way you're looking at it. You're acting as if this generation is any hornier and uncontrollable than the past. It's less of a taboo to be so now, but it was just as prevalent in past generations..
Dude, this society now is driven and is all about sex but believe it or not, there was a time when they wouldnt even show Elvis from the hips down.

I don't have a wife and I surely won't be looking for a whore to spend the rest of my life with. I would prefer that my future wife(if we even decide to get married) know definitively that I was the guy she wanted to spend the rest of her life with though. She, nor I, could be sure of that if we hadn't already explored everything our relationship could entail.
Well by todays standards there really is no such thing as a whore but if a girl has slept with 5 guys who's slept with 5 different girls, the risk of STD will obviously multiply quickly. A marriage relationships should go way past the sexual part of it but unfortuntely today it doesnt and thats one of the main reasons why the divorce rate is so high.

Are we going all the way back? Because man predates the institution of marriage by just a teeny bit.
Well how about as far back as marriage goes then, what difference does it make? You know my point is valid. Heck even the idiots that hijacked those plans thought it was worth killing yourself to gain a virgin.

Saulbadguy
12-19-2007, 01:14 PM
C-Mac, you are pretty dumb. No offense.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 01:19 PM
C-Mac, you are pretty dumb. No offense.
None taken, I should have known better than to try and reason with those incapable of doing such.

HolmeZz
12-19-2007, 01:35 PM
Do your homework but you have just proved my point...next.

I've done my homework. Apparently you haven't. Prior to let's say the 60s, what diseases did you know about and what did you know about them?

Dude, this society now is driven and is all about sex but believe it or not, there was a time when they wouldnt even show Elvis from the hips down.

Yes. You're referring to suppression. You're using that as proof that sexual behavior wasn't prevalent? If anything suppression like that will lead to more of that type of behavior.

Well by todays standards there really is no such thing as a whore

Yes there is.

A marriage relationships should go way past the sexual part of it but unfortuntely today it doesnt and thats one of the main reasons why the divorce rate is so high.

Until you get into that marriage, your wife realizes you can't satisfy her in the sack so she subsequently goes behind your back and starts banging the pool boy.

Well how about as far back as marriage goes then, what difference does it make? You know my point is valid.

I haven't seen you make a point yet. You've just come off as extremely naive.

Heck even the idiots that hijacked those plans thought it was worth killing yourself to gain a virgin.

For sex. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the act of intercourse, and I'll spare you all the details, suffice it to say that 'the tighter the better'.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 01:40 PM
Dude, this society now is driven and is all about sex but believe it or not, there was a time when they wouldnt even show Elvis from the hips down.

THIS JUST IN: During prohibition, NOBODY DRANK!!!!!!

Duck Dog
12-19-2007, 01:47 PM
I wish it was my dick that did the damage.


Nice first post. ROFL

Drunk
12-19-2007, 02:23 PM
She should have done it doggy style. Females cannot be impregnated that way.
seriously? yes!! im off to the bar fellas, dont wait up.

Chiefmanwillcatch
12-19-2007, 02:23 PM
I hate all those attention sluts like brit and lindsay.

I hate the shows that feature them all the time.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 02:44 PM
I've done my homework. Apparently you haven't. Prior to let's say the 60s, what diseases did you know about and what did you know about them? I dont know what you want from me. STD or VD is nothing new, AIDS is something new. Even though STD's have been prevalent for many years, it wasnt an social epidemic back then because there was less promiscuity.


Yes. You're referring to suppression. You're using that as proof that sexual behavior wasn't prevalent? If anything suppression like that will lead to more of that type of behavior.
What a weak argument. I realize that sexual behavior has been prevalent through out mankind's existence. There is nothing wrong with suppressing someone not mentally or physically mature enough to handle the consequences of sex.

Yes there is.
Websters
whore
Function: noun
1: a woman who engages in sexual acts for money; also: a promiscuous or immoral woman
A prostitute perhaps, but promiscuous no longer applies to todays standards.



Until you get into that marriage, your wife realizes you can't satisfy her in the sack so she subsequently goes behind your back and starts banging the pool boy.
This has nothing to do with marrying a virgin.



I haven't seen you make a point yet. You've just come off as extremely naive.
:rolleyes:


For sex. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the act of intercourse, and I'll spare you all the details, suffice it to say that 'the tighter the better'.
Whatever, again if you prefer that your wife has slept with many different men thats fine with me. I didnt marry a virgin but I can understand the physical and mental benefits from possibly doing so. You will never make a case to prove that there is anything wrong with abstenance nor marrying a virgin.

HolmeZz
12-19-2007, 02:50 PM
This has nothing to do with marrying a virgin.

Sure it can. Your wife didn't know how you were in the sack because you didn't have sex prior to marriage. She realizes you can't satisfy her and she looks to find someone who can. There goes your little marriage.

memyselfI
12-19-2007, 02:53 PM
Or using protection.

Just like a man to assume it was her fault and that she wasn't using protection. She very well could have been or he could have been as well.

But I don't seen too many sexist pigs, er, men here impugning HIS character... :hmmm:

memyselfI
12-19-2007, 02:57 PM
None taken, I should have known better than to try and reason with those incapable of doing such.

You sound like you are either really young, really religious, or really afraid of women...

perhaps all three.

StcChief
12-19-2007, 02:57 PM
color me shock but really who really cares? Can she play Left Tackle.

DaneMcCloud
12-19-2007, 03:02 PM
color me shock but really who really cares? Can she play Left Tackle.

No but she can certainly gang-bang 'em!

memyselfI
12-19-2007, 03:04 PM
Sure it can. Your wife didn't know how you were in the sack because you didn't have sex prior to marriage. She realizes you can't satisfy her and she looks to find someone who can. There goes your little marriage.

I don't think it's that as much as you've waited, you do the deed, then you realize you're stuck doing it with this one person the rest of your life. All of the experimentation and the knowledge that comes with it is lost and you are left wondering what you missed. That sense of wondering what you've missed could make someone stray. If you have previous experience you know what you are missing...

or not.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 03:13 PM
Just like a man to assume it was her fault and that she wasn't using protection. She very well could have been or he could have been as well.

But I don't seen too many sexist pigs, er, men here impugning HIS character... :hmmm:

STFU it's both of their responsibilities to use protection.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 03:26 PM
You sound like you are either really young, really religious, or really afraid of women...

perhaps all three.

ROFL
I know you would just love to stereotype me. You know you seem easy to mock but what have you offered, what realistic solutions have you or do you have to offer for teenage pregancy issues? Giving clean needles to heroine addicts might slow down AIDS transmission but does nothing in helping the person better himself nor is it curing the heroin addiction or problem. Putting daycare in High Schools and passing out condoms doesnt change the mindset toward sex, rather it condones and promotes it. You, as a woman should be aware of emotional risks that also come along young promiscuity. Sure its all fun and games, till something like started this thread happens.

HolmeZz
12-19-2007, 03:33 PM
Did she stereotype you or did she nail you?

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 04:11 PM
Did she stereotype you or did she nail you?
Well Dr. Phil I dont know, I've been married for 22 years and have 4 children. I remember when Kennedy was shot. I'm not sure how one could conclude by my comments of showing respect for and protecting women, translates to "fear" of women. Religion has zero to do with abstenance being 100% effective in preventing teenage preganacy or STD's, just as its has zero to do with not drinking being 100% effective in preventing a DUI or alcoholism. It's all in how you choose to look and percieve things. Someones age, nor religion, nor view of women have anything to do with the fact that the accepted sexual behavior in todays society(and really pretty much over for the whole world) has changed over the past 50 years. I laugh because I've personally lived through and experienced a lot of this change I speak of but you insist that I'm naive to the realities. Next chance you get, ask some of those from that older generation if times have truly changed or is it just relative perception. I already know the answer because I have lived part of it, what say you?

memyselfI
12-19-2007, 04:12 PM
ROFL
I know you would just love to stereotype me. You know you seem easy to mock but what have you offered, what realistic solutions have you or do you have to offer for teenage pregancy issues? Giving clean needles to heroine addicts might slow down AIDS transmission but does nothing in helping the person better himself nor is it curing the heroin addiction or problem. Putting daycare in High Schools and passing out condoms doesnt change the mindset toward sex, rather it condones and promotes it. You, as a woman should be aware of emotional risks that also come along young promiscuity. Sure its all fun and games, till something like started this thread happens.

Actually, I come from this very experience so I KNOW that of which I speak. I had an unplanned protected pregnancy at almost the same age. I had the opportunity to finish school because of daycare in the high school. This was almost 25 years ago. There were no condoms being passed out at that point.

It is absolute BULL SHIT to claim a daycare in a high school promotes sexuality. MOF, if anything, I think it acts as a DETERRENT as it scares kids shitless to think a consequence of their action could end up at High School with them for 8 hours a day. Back in my day, the day care and the school was off site thereby isolating students and offering little to no deterrent effect for those engaging in the same behavior but having better luck at avoiding the disaster than I did.

For the record, my birth control failed. I used over the counter spremicide inserts. We have no idea if this couple was using protection or not. If they were, it failed them. That doesn't mean they wanted a child or should have to have one. That also doesn't mean they were any less foolish than anyone else having sex at their age or before they are married.

chasedude
12-19-2007, 04:13 PM
color me shock but really who really cares? Can she play Left Tackle.

ROFL

memyselfI
12-19-2007, 04:18 PM
Well Dr. Phil I dont know, I've been married for 22 years and have 4 children. I remember when Kennedy was shot. I'm not sure how one could conclude by my comments of showing respect for and protecting women, translates to "fear" of women. Religion has zero to do with abstenance being 100% effective in preventing teenage preganacy or STD's, just as its has zero to do with not drinking being 100% effective in preventing a DUI or alcoholism. It's all in how you choose to look and percieve things. Someones age, nor religion, nor view of women have anything to do with the fact that the accepted sexual behavior in todays society(and really pretty much over for the whole world) has changed over the past 50 years. I laugh because I've personally lived through and experienced a lot of this change I speak of but you insist that I'm naive to the realities. Next chance you get, ask some of those from that older generation if times have truly changed or is it just relative perception. I already know the answer because I have lived part of it, what say you?

Good for you. I've been married 25 and have three. Having lived through this experience and avoided the disaster with my eldest daughter, I feel very safe in the knowledge that my children will do risky things and my best defense is a good offense. That means equipping them with the knowledge of how to protect themselves while encouraging them to be safe and smart with their beings.

Will they make mistakes. Probably. We all do. Will I bury my head in the sand and pretend my kids are immune from bad things happening to them while engaging in the same activities everyone else did/does/will...

nope. I'm glad that strategy has worked for you. It does NOT work for most people's kids. Witness, the head of KS RTL organization's teenage daughter having a kid herself. I rest my case.

Cochise
12-19-2007, 04:19 PM
Oh, man, sometimes people just end up pregnant, it's totally random, you can't anticipate it. It just happens spontaneously.

HolmeZz
12-19-2007, 04:20 PM
Someones age, nor religion, nor view of women have anything to do with the fact that the accepted sexual behavior in todays society(and really pretty much over for the whole world) has changed over the past 50 years.

You're correct. The problem is you're using what's accepted by society as some kind of marker to judge the generations. Being more open about it doesn't make it more prevalent. As DaKCMan pointed out, what effect do you think Prohibition had?

memyselfI
12-19-2007, 04:21 PM
You're correct. The problem is you're using what's accepted by society as some kind of marker to judge the generations. Being more open about it doesn't make it more prevalent. As DaKCMan pointed out, what effect do you think Prohibition had?

It's a joke. Because abstinence is rarely really abstinence. Witness the Catholic Church...

HolmeZz
12-19-2007, 04:29 PM
It's a joke. Because abstinence is rarely really abstinence. Witness the Catholic Church...

They should be promoting gay sex. That's one way to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 04:37 PM
Good for you. I've been married 25 and have three. Having lived through this experience and avoided the disaster with my eldest daughter, I feel very safe in the knowledge that my children will do risky things and my best defense is a good offense. That means equipping them with the knowledge of how to protect themselves while encouraging them to be safe and smart with their beings.

Will they make mistakes. Probably. We all do. Will I bury my head in the sand and pretend my kids are immune from bad things happening to them while engaging in the same activities everyone else did/does/will...

nope. I'm glad that strategy has worked for you. It does NOT work for most people's kids. Witness, the head of KS RTL organization's teenage daughter having a kid herself. I rest my case.

I may offer suggestions or point out certain realities but the bottom line is I'm not on here telling people how to live their lives. I'm not a braggart and I'm not naive. What works for one kid rarely works exactly the same for another, but it doesnt take away from the facts of what I had mentioned as truly preventable causes. As a parent one has to be forever diligent and communicative. Be continually observant and aware of what your children are thinking and doing and who they hang out with. You have to be part of their life. I think being a drill seargant will likely backfire but being complacent will too. Its a delicate balance and always learning cure for parents, there are no perfect parents and no perfect kids. I find it easier to nip things at the bud and go to the root of the issue when trying to resolve a problem or even try to prevent the seed from planting all together. It dont always work but as a parent I keep trying to help them make good decisions and explain the ways it could benefit them when they do so.

stevieray
12-19-2007, 04:47 PM
THIS JUST IN: During prohibition, NOBODY DRANK!!!!!!


This just in ...apples and oranges.

Not shocking that the major 'players" in this thread are young guys who only have their short life experience to think they know how it was.

Cause believe me, you don't...you're only endorsing what's been spoon fed to you by the media since you were a kid...

I graduated in 1980 and only a handful of girls actually put out, and most of the time, they were sluts...sure, there was plenty of heavy petting, but that was it...the line was drawn, and most guys didn't dare cross it...girls were respected because that was the way it was...there weren't loser female role models being paraded around like "princesses" every other week.



The damage has already been done...until a generation comes along rededicated to the family structure, look for more of the same...

Thig Lyfe
12-19-2007, 04:51 PM
Never....really? You can bet most grandmothers and great grandmothers were all virgins when they got married and also some moms and sisters.

Yeah, because they were 16 when they got married in the first place.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 04:52 PM
This just in ...apples and oranges.

Not shocking that the major 'players" in this thread are young guys who only have their short life experience to think they know how it was.

Cause believe me, you don't...you're only endorsing what's been spoon fed to you by the media since you were a kid...

I graduated in 1980 and only a handful of girls actually put out, and most of the time, they were sluts...sure, there was plenty of heavy petting, but that was it...the line was drawn, and most guys didn't dare cross it...girls were respected because that was the way it was...there weren't loser female role models being paraded around like "princesses" every other week.



The damage has already been done...until a generation comes along rededicated to the family structure, look for more of the same...

In 1972 the teen pregnancy rate was 20 pts higher than in 2002.

stevieray
12-19-2007, 05:03 PM
In 1972 the teen pregnancy rate was 20 pts higher than in 2002.

...interesting, and after 1973, pregnancies became forty million abortions.

DaneMcCloud
12-19-2007, 05:06 PM
...interesting, and after 1973, pregnancies became forty million abortions.

Is the number really that high?

Wow. That's sad.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 05:21 PM
Actually, I come from this very experience so I KNOW that of which I speak. I had an unplanned protected pregnancy at almost the same age. I had the opportunity to finish school because of daycare in the high school. This was almost 25 years ago. There were no condoms being passed out at that point.

Hey we all have made mistakes, even by mistake but it appears that you took responsibility for it. Many today have their family or grand family raising the child for them. I still dont see whats wrong with saying that permiscuity can also lead to unwanted teenage pregnancy. You are very aware of the struggles and problems associated when these things happen, some are even for lifetime.

It is absolute BULL SHIT to claim a daycare in a high school promotes sexuality. MOF, if anything, I think it acts as a DETERRENT as it scares kids shitless to think a consequence of their action could end up at High School with them for 8 hours a day. Back in my day, the day care and the school was off site thereby isolating students and offering little to no deterrent effect for those engaging in the same behavior but having better luck at avoiding the disaster than I did.

You are entilted to your opinion but just as a bucket of free steril needles placed in a high school, or a buckect of condoms placed in a high school, or a daycare is placed in a highschool...it all is supporting the activity, period.

For the record, my birth control failed. I used over the counter spremicide inserts. We have no idea if this couple was using protection or not. If they were, it failed them. That doesn't mean they wanted a child or should have to have one. That also doesn't mean they were any less foolish than anyone else having sex at their age or before they are married.

Some think that the risk is worth it while others would disagree. FWIW I do know many friends who became pregnant because the doctors fail to tell women that antibiotics can cancel out birth control.

C-Mac
12-19-2007, 05:39 PM
...interesting, and after 1973, pregnancies became forty million abortions.
"Captain, the facts are useless against them....."

Its truly sad that this many of this "me" generation has no idea of what the benefit of good morals could have in ones life, a family or a society. I have to apologise to my kids often for the way they are bombarded from every know angle. I know it was hard for me growing up but wow...its a big confusing jungle out there for young ones today. With nothing black or white anymore, everything has turned gray making it even more difficult for a young person to know how and when to make good choices and decisions.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 06:38 PM
...interesting, and after 1973, pregnancies became forty million abortions.

Because abortions didn't occur before 1973. Never..

Tribal Warfare
12-19-2007, 06:58 PM
Because abortions didn't occur before 1973. Never..


yes, they did it's a story in itself, my older relatives had this procedure done illegally

stevieray
12-19-2007, 07:17 PM
Because abortions didn't occur before 1973. Never..

you were talking about from 1972 to present...why are you moving the goal posts? why do you have to keep resorting to a negative to validate another negative?

MahiMike
12-19-2007, 07:19 PM
I started to feel sorry for this family until I realized they're much smarter than what we give them credit for. All these chicks (Lindsay, Paris, Spears, etc.) have learned that it's not talent that gets them rich, it's exposure. Even when it's negative, it's still exposure. The more they screw up, the more money they make.

Only in America, baby!

Oh Snap
12-19-2007, 07:59 PM
thats what happens when you dont pull out fast enough.. stupid lil slut should have known to atleast use a condom.

Oh Snap
12-19-2007, 08:01 PM
I started to feel sorry for this family until I realized they're much smarter than what we give them credit for. All these chicks (Lindsay, Paris, Spears, etc.) have learned that it's not talent that gets them rich, it's exposure. Even when it's negative, it's still exposure. The more they screw up, the more money they make.

Only in America, baby!
look here... 12 pages about this bullshit on a football message board? Do you think your statement just might be an understatement?

Adept Havelock
12-20-2007, 04:11 PM
Nobody, but many of your books, your TV shows and your experts in your society deem it so, or at least used to. I can say though that abstinence is 100% effective toward teen pregnancy and STD's. I guess to you there is no black and white, no right or wrong.....everything is a just a big gray mass.

As our customs do change, and abstinence-only's deranged...that's our mores. ;)

I guess to you everything is black and white. That's a pity. Shades of grey are always there.


Its truly sad that this many of this "me" generation has no idea of what the benefit of good morals could have in ones life, a family or a society.

It's not quite as sad as you presuming to declare what qualifies as "good" or "bad" morals for other peoples lives, families, or society as a whole.

C-Mac
12-20-2007, 10:52 PM
As our customs do change, and abstinence-only's deranged...that's our mores. ;)

I guess to you everything is black and white. That's a pity. Shades of grey are always there.

No, never said that everything is black and white, but without any black and white you cannot create clear contrast for reasoning on the gray.

It's not quite as sad as you presuming to declare what qualifies as "good" or "bad" morals for other peoples lives, families, or society as a whole.

Really? Exactly what morals have I qualified for others? Your so anti-religious, anti-bible that you just cant keep yourself from lashing out. Simple "immoral" things like stealing, lying, murder and relations outside of ones marriage, sure seem like good logical things to avoid to me. Now I'm not declaring that you should avoid these but no doubt who could logically argue that doing so would benefit the structure of ones life, ones family and ones society? This thread is about another unwanted teenage pregancy. I assume you feel that passing out condoms is the only fix all and if someone so much as suggests trying abstinence....well thats just ludicrous, deranged! But since it does work whats the harm in suggesting it? Does it sound too "religious" for your liking? History has proven that moral breakdown can actually destroy a society, even a government. So what do you have to offer for a real solution for all the problems that young people are facing...... or are you just posting to criticize?

banyon
12-22-2007, 05:13 PM
How do you talk to kids about Britney's sister?


(CNN) -- Parents are struggling with what to tell their children after finding out that Britney Spears' younger sister, Jamie Lynn Spears, is pregnant.
art.jlspears.gi.jpg

Jamie Lynn Spears, shown in September, stars in the popular Nickelodeon series "Zoey 101."

The 16-year-old star of Nickelodeon's "Zoey 101" series told OK! magazine that she is expecting a baby and that the father is her boyfriend, Casey Aldridge.

Many CNN.com readers responded to the news by saying they are going to overhaul their television-viewing habits as well as discuss the lessons to be learned with their children....
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/19/spears.pregnant.feedback/index.html
________________


Because CNN Asked



CNN.com’s lead story at the moment is demanding to know how I would talk to my child about Jamie Lynn Spears’ pregnancy. This is how: I raced down the stairs, confronted my child as she was consuming a bagel dog, and uttered the following words:

“Young’n! That there Jamie Lynn Spears from Zoey 101 done got herself all pregnified!”

To which Athena responded with the following look:

http://scalzi.com/athena121907.jpg

And then went back to having her dinner. Because you know what? She doesn’t care. And you know why? It’s not her business.

Funny that my eight-year-old is so clear on this when CNN, presumably jam-packed with adults, is not.

If you really feel the need to talk to your children about Jamie Lynn Spears’ pregnancy, here’s a simple test: Are you or they a member of Miss Spears’ immediate family? If the answer is no, please talk to your children about something else. Possibly something actually pertaining to them. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind that refreshing change. It’s just a thought.

http://scalzi.com/whatever/?p=218

ChiefaRoo
12-22-2007, 05:15 PM
How do you talk to kids about Britney's sister?


(CNN) -- Parents are struggling with what to tell their children after finding out that Britney Spears' younger sister, Jamie Lynn Spears, is pregnant.
art.jlspears.gi.jpg

Jamie Lynn Spears, shown in September, stars in the popular Nickelodeon series "Zoey 101."

The 16-year-old star of Nickelodeon's "Zoey 101" series told OK! magazine that she is expecting a baby and that the father is her boyfriend, Casey Aldridge.

Many CNN.com readers responded to the news by saying they are going to overhaul their television-viewing habits as well as discuss the lessons to be learned with their children....
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/12/19/spears.pregnant.feedback/index.html
________________


Because CNN Asked



CNN.com’s lead story at the moment is demanding to know how I would talk to my child about Jamie Lynn Spears’ pregnancy. This is how: I raced down the stairs, confronted my child as she was consuming a bagel dog, and uttered the following words:

“Young’n! That there Jamie Lynn Spears from Zoey 101 done got herself all pregnified!”

To which Athena responded with the following look:

http://scalzi.com/athena121907.jpg

And then went back to having her dinner. Because you know what? She doesn’t care. And you know why? It’s not her business.

Funny that my eight-year-old is so clear on this when CNN, presumably jam-packed with adults, is not.

If you really feel the need to talk to your children about Jamie Lynn Spears’ pregnancy, here’s a simple test: Are you or they a member of Miss Spears’ immediate family? If the answer is no, please talk to your children about something else. Possibly something actually pertaining to them. I’m sure they wouldn’t mind that refreshing change. It’s just a thought.

http://scalzi.com/whatever/?p=218


That's a good one banyon. On an unrelated issue I bet females have been looking at you like this your entire life.

banyon
12-22-2007, 05:18 PM
That's a good one banyon. On an unrelated issue I bet females have been looking at you like this your entire life.

Better than dudes I guess.

Adept Havelock
12-22-2007, 05:32 PM
Really? Exactly what morals have I qualified for others?
Well, in this thread alone, pre-marital sex and marriage.

Your so anti-religious, anti-bible that you just cant keep yourself from lashing out.
As I've said to you before, religion is irrelevant to me personally. I see it as organized superstition. It doesn't matter to me if you worship Jehovah, Allah, Odin, or the FSM. If that makes me "anti-religious", so be it. Whatever cute little label you cook up for it doesn't affect my life or views in the least.

Simple "immoral" things like stealing, lying, murder and relations outside of ones marriage, sure seem like good logical things to avoid to me. Now I'm not declaring that you should avoid these but no doubt who could logically argue that doing so would benefit the structure of ones life, ones family and ones society?
Sure, the Ethics of respecting another persons property and respecting a contract (marriage) are one of the foundations of civilization. I never claimed otherwise.

This thread is about another unwanted teenage pregnancy. I assume you feel that passing out condoms is the only fix all and if someone so much as suggests trying abstinence....well thats just ludicrous, deranged! But since it does work whats the harm in suggesting it?
You assume incorrectly.

I have no problem with teaching abstinence, as part of a comprehensive sex education program, including birth control information (and birth control itself, IMO). Anything less is only giving someone part of the information they need to make an informed decision for themselves.

Does it sound too "religious" for your liking?
No. Just too "naive" for my liking, considering the nature of the animal that is Homo Sapien. :shrug:

History has proven that moral breakdown can actually destroy a society, even a government.
[Yawn] From what I've seen, it's almost always economic or military factors that bring down a society.

So what do you have to offer for a real solution for all the problems that young people are facing...... or are you just posting to criticize?

I don't have a "real" solution for "all the problems" young people are facing. Neither do you. If you think you do, well, that's quite a case of delusions of grandeur you've got going there.

That said, concerning the point of this thread:

I have no problem with teaching abstinence, as part of a comprehensive sex education program, including birth control information (and birth control itself, IMO), etc. Anything less is only giving someone part of the information they need to make an informed decision for themselves.


Sadly, too many people are wrapped up in the nonsensical idea that only their idea should be taught. I should mention I've never seen a sex-ed program that was "Birth Control" only. Abstinence is always mentioned as well. ;)

I was quite pleased to see a number of states (16, including those Liberal hotbeds Montana and Ohio) recently refused federal funds because of the abstinence-only nonsense attached to it. At least they have some leadership who is willing to stand and declare what most of us know...that Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" is no more effective in stopping sex than it was in stopping drugs. To pretend otherwise is the epitome of naiveté. JMO.

KCGridironBeast
12-22-2007, 05:37 PM
Is this Jamie-Lynn Spears?

http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/6995/wireih0.jpg

blueballs
12-22-2007, 05:52 PM
Chris Henry is already re-tracing his pecker tracks

barry_smilez20
12-22-2007, 07:24 PM
i wish it could have been I who impregnated her

blueballs
12-22-2007, 07:27 PM
Statutory rape charges are being considered
you must be 16 or younger

barry_smilez20
12-22-2007, 07:29 PM
Statutory rape charges are being considered
you must be 16 or younger

hmmmm..risk...reward

blueballs
12-22-2007, 07:32 PM
The sperm donor will have his past
gone over with a fine tooth comb
tabloid tv would exploit not having a hall pass

C-Mac
12-22-2007, 11:17 PM
Well, in this thread alone, pre-marital sex and marriage.

Not true and you know it. If anyone else makes a suggestion or observation, it is what it is but if I do so you twist it and try to portray it as being overly judgemental or qualifying ones morals.

As I've said to you before, religion is irrelevant to me personally. I see it as organized superstition. It doesn't matter to me if you worship Jehovah, Allah, Odin, or the FSM. If that makes me "anti-religious", so be it. Whatever cute little label you cook up for it doesn't affect my life or views in the least.

It sure doesnt appear to be irrelevant to me for you have obvious contempt for anyone who has a parallel thought to religious thinking. If its not intrusive on your personal opinionated views then why do you allow my posts bother you so much? Why is it so important that you feel the need counter my comments.? Subplanting your opinion as the only "reasonable" and "logical" way of thinking instead of just simply commenting on the thread subject?

Sure, the Ethics of respecting another persons property and respecting a contract (marriage) are one of the foundations of civilization. I never claimed otherwise.

Or the "morals" of respecting.....
Seems your careful not to allow yourself to think or speak with any kind of religious correlation.

I have no problem with teaching abstinence, as part of a comprehensive sex education program, including birth control information (and birth control itself, IMO). Anything less is only giving someone part of the information they need to make an informed decision for themselves.

Yes you do but you are entltled to your opinion, wonder why its such a problem to you if I have one to share?.

No. Just too "naive" for my liking, considering the nature of the animal that is Homo Sapien. :shrug:

Well its not for my liking.
Interesting it is when often humans are spoken of as being equaled to animals when they have performed a non-thinking, non-moralistic, inhumane action.

[Yawn] From what I've seen, it's almost always economic or military factors that bring down a society.

Maybe you dont understand what the term "moral breakdown" encompasses. It interesting historical junk to me...but no biggy if you bored by it.

I don't have a "real" solution for "all the problems" young people are facing. Neither do you. If you think you do, well, that's quite a case of delusions of grandeur you've got going there.

So if you dont have any suggestions then no one else should be allowed to inject any suggestions either? I guess it makes its easier for you to criticize that way.

That said, concerning the point of this thread:
Sadly, too many people are wrapped up in the nonsensical idea that only their idea should be taught. I should mention I've never seen a sex-ed program that was "Birth Control" only. Abstinence is always mentioned as well. ;)

Abstinence is actually mentioned? What deranged fools!

I was quite pleased to see a number of states (16, including those Liberal hotbeds Montana and Ohio) recently refused federal funds because of the abstinence-only nonsense attached to it. At least they have some leadership who is willing to stand and declare what most of us know...that Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" is no more effective in stopping sex than it was in stopping drugs. To pretend otherwise is the epitome of naiveté. JMO.

:rolleyes: I do know that "Just Say Yes" for sure aint working. I'm glad they are still wasting their efforts on trying to teach drug prevention, or still trying to teach the problems with alcohol abuse or still trying to prevent child abuse. I know that its naive for them to think they're ever going to stop it, but at least they are trying and in doing so they are having a measure of success. I guess its a better alternative than just throwing your arms up.

Adept Havelock
12-23-2007, 11:41 AM
Not true and you know it. If anyone else makes a suggestion or observation, it is what it is but if I do so you twist it and try to portray it as being overly judgemental or qualifying ones morals.

I didn't see anyone else on this thread pontificating on how blind we all are not to see how great their vision of "good morals" (on those subjects, among others) would be for society. Sorry if you got your feelings hurt when I responded to that.

It sure doesn't appear to be irrelevant to me for you have obvious contempt for anyone who has a parallel thought to religious thinking. Untrue. I regularly engage Cochise, Chief4Ever, Mr. Kotter, Stevieray and a host of other religious folks on similar topics without contempt. Any "contempt" is for you personally, not your choice of religion. Glad I could clear that confusion up for you.
Seems your careful not to allow yourself to think or speak with any kind of religious correlation.

As I said, I personally view it as superstition. Why would I speak or think in a manner supporting a position I don't hold? That's just a silly criticism.

Interesting it is when often humans are spoken of as being equaled to animals when they have performed a non-thinking, non-moralistic, inhumane action.
Not sure what you mean. I always refer to Homo Sapien as an animal, however they are behaving. Why? It is what it is. Homo Sapien is a social, tool-using, primate...an animal. Ook ook, buddy. :shrug:

So if you don't have any suggestions then no one else should be allowed to inject any suggestions either? I guess it makes its easier for you to criticize that way.
Funny, I guess you didn't notice the suggestion that was directly under this line. ROFL

Of course you have a right to express an opinion. I may disagree with what you say, but I will always defend your right to say it. I also have the right to give my opinion of your suggestion, as you do to mine. In this case, as I said, I find it the epitome of naivete. "Just say No" simply doesn't work.

Abstinence is actually mentioned? What deranged fools!
If that's actually your opinion, it seems rather silly to me. I have no problem with teaching abstinence, as part of a comprehensive program. Then again, I believe in giving folks data from both sides of an argument, and letting them decide for themselves. Pity the abstinence only folks can't do the same.


:rolleyes: ...I guess its a better alternative than just throwing your arms up. [
Perhaps you could explain how suggesting a comprehensive program including abstinence and birth control education is "throwing your arms up" or ignoring a problem. BTW- It's statements like that which will explain my contempt for you, and respect for other believers like Cochise, Stevieray, Chiefs4ever, etc. ROFL

As my last response led to your "why are you picking on me? :deevee: " post, I'll be happy to offer to put you on Cpiggy as a Gift. I wouldn't want you to feel picked on or have your feelings hurt this Holiday season. Merry Christmas, C-Mac.

Demonpenz
12-23-2007, 11:55 AM
I hate when religion guilts me into doing something. It should be done in love of Jesus. Sometimes it doesn't even make sense and I feel that they were made up for some reason because in the old days that is what was done

HolmeZz
12-23-2007, 12:02 PM
Adept is laying the proverbial wood.

Demonpenz
12-23-2007, 12:14 PM
Adept is laying the proverbial wood.


i noticed that too. He seems young though

C-Mac
12-23-2007, 02:20 PM
I didn't see anyone else on this thread pontificating on how blind we all are not to see how great their vision of "good morals" (on those subjects, among others) would be for society. Sorry if you got your feelings hurt when I responded to that.
Untrue. I regularly engage Cochise, Chief4Ever, Mr. Kotter, Stevieray and a host of other religious folks on similar topics without contempt. Any "contempt" is for you personally, not your choice of religion. Glad I could clear that confusion up for you.

Perhaps if you would have read my posts prior to that comment it would have been clear to you that I was referring to generations of past as compared to todays "me" generation. It still is of my opinion that it was much less complicated time, it had higher respect for "ethics" and had more direction than the generation today. I can see it even within my own kids that they have missed out on a more "innocent" era if you will. You seem to search out one sentence or word and then feel complelled to set matters straight. Relax, its all just a realistic comparison that formed my comment, I'm really not as intimidating as you feel I'am.

As I said, I personally view it as superstition. Why would I speak or think in a manner supporting a position I don't hold? That's just a silly criticism.

I'm not even remotely asking you to but you obviously avoiding to use or say a word thats even vaguely related to religion shows a bit of insecurity.....but whatever, its your gig.

Not sure what you mean. I always refer to Homo Sapien as an animal, however they are behaving. Why? It is what it is. Homo Sapien is a social, tool-using, primate...an animal. Ook ook, buddy. :shrug:

I just meant that we are vastly different than animals and I'm not here trying to debate that, but it is a common cop out to just compare humans to animals when it comes to disagreeing with sexual "ethics" or morality.

Funny, I guess you didn't notice the suggestion that was directly under this line.

Yes, after I corned you did make a comment. You know I merely made the comment that abstinence works 100% of the time and you say its ludicrous naive thinking. Now your saying that you support it..you sure could make a great politician.

Of course you have a right to express an opinion. I may disagree with what you say, but I will always defend your right to say it. I also have the right to give my opinion of your suggestion, as you do to mine. In this case, as I said, I find it the epitome of naivete. "Just say No" simply doesn't work.

In my opinion "just say yes" doesnt work either, fair enough.

If that's actually your opinion, it seems rather silly to me. I have no problem with teaching abstinence, as part of a comprehensive program. Then again, I believe in giving folks data from both sides of an argument, and letting them decide for themselves. Pity the abstinence only folks can't do the same.

My "abstinence only" is that its the "only" one that works 100% of the time against unwanted teenage pregnancy and STD's, but you can continue to twist my words all you want, it seems important to you that you do so as to make your point.

Perhaps you could explain how suggesting a comprehensive program including abstinence and birth control education is "throwing your arms up" or ignoring a problem. BTW- It's statements like that which will explain my contempt for you, and respect for other believers like Cochise, Stevieray, Chiefs4ever, etc. ROFL

You dont have to like me, or my opinion, or my views, but they are what they are. Perhaps I did misunderstand you, when you said " I was quite pleased to see a number of states recently refused federal funds because of the abstinence-only nonsense attached to it." Seems very confusing on your part when you refer to "abstinence" as nonsense .

As my last response led to your "why are you picking on me? :deevee: " post, I'll be happy to offer to put you on Cpiggy as a Gift. I wouldn't want you to feel picked on or have your feelings hurt this Holiday season. Merry Christmas, C-Mac.

ROFL I'm sure that you feel all better now that you have tried to belittle someone with a different opinion than you. Sorry to dissappoint you but I'm still very comfortable with what I believe. Yes I'm someone who obviously does take a stand on some things but I've never attacked anyone here personally nor have I just blasted out my view without attempting to support it with some kind of facts or reasons. Do you have to agree with them? Absolutely not. But its obvious that even my comments from the past threads still strike a nerve with you for you carry them even into this thread. The mere suggestion of anything that parallels a bible principle or looks religious "appears" to be an personal issue to you. Its your right and I respect that but I'm glad that I'm past that as a person. I guess you realize that I've been on this forum since its inception so I doubt there is a need for a pity party this late in the game, but hey....thanks for thinking of me AH.

Demonpenz
12-23-2007, 03:06 PM
me generation, you mean the one that free'd iraq? Or how about one who gave in record numbers to help out natural disasters such as the tsunami.

C-Mac
12-23-2007, 03:30 PM
me generation, you mean the one that free'd iraq? Or how about one who gave in record numbers to help out natural disasters such as the tsunami.
You respond as if I personally coined the phrase "the me generation". I'm merely comparing various views of "today's" generation as compared to the way "past" generations of 50 years ago. Believe it or not, although were there might be improvement in some areas, just the same, some things have degreased. People as a whole are more selfish today then as compared to 50 years ago. We live in a much more violent, materialistic society then those times of past. I've been a part of both, so don't take it personally, its just an observation.

Bowser
12-23-2007, 03:31 PM
This thread = turd in the punchbowl.