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Douche Baggins
12-18-2007, 07:31 PM
BigRed posted this yesterday but I don't think it received enough attention. Very interesting stuff.

http://www.chiefscoalition.com/Forums/index.php?showtopic=74262&hl

I spent about 10 minutes on the phone with a couple of front office people who are singing the same tune

Based on what they're telling me, I think the coaching staff and front office folks are in denial about their role in this mess. They, and rightfully so, point to the age factor of certain players as the main culprit. But there doesn't seem to be any blame placed on the coaching staff for the lack of half time adjustments in all the losing games, it's just that they don't have enough top-flight players.

I wanted some objective feedback so after talking with the Chiefs I talked with a defensive coach with the Raiders and a defensive coach from the Steelers, two personal buddies who kindly gave their input for this thread.

They both said what we already know, the Chiefs offense is predictable, easy to read and stays the same from first half to second half. They don't make adjustments.

The Raiders coach was very kind in his verbage but in translation, he says the Chiefs Oline is junk!! He likes Croyle's physical skills but thinks it will take time to see if he's the real deal and the Chiefs should keep him because he should only get better. Overall, they point to both talent and so-so coaching.

Here's what I sense for an off season forecast for the Chiefs based on my conversations, it's nothing that is predicted or that was directly told to me.

1. Retain Carl Peterson... but: I think the possibility looms that the Chiefs will bring in a GM or VP of football operations to mold the rebuilding process with draft picks, free agents and sharpening the scouting department. For some reason, I don't see the Hunt family forcing Peterson out but at the same time, I think Clark is going to force some kind of change, perhaps keeping Peterson as the President of the Chiefs organization.

2. Herm Ewards and Mike Solari are here for the duration, I'm not sure about Gunther Cunningham.

3. Eddie Kennison, John Welbourn, Casey Wiegmann, Jason Dunn, Kris Wilson, Ty Law are gone.

4. It's way too early to really predict how the off season will play out but if the Chiefs get all the new and young pieces they desire in regards to players, it's still going to take another two season before they make the playoffs again. With getting younger, it takes time for those players to mature into the system.
But at least, it's new talent and as fans it should be fun watching them grow into New G Contenders... G stands for generation.

The Bad Guy
12-18-2007, 07:34 PM
I don't buy this "it takes 2 years for players to grow into a system" shit.

Fit the system around the talent for once in this organization's history.

Hydrae
12-18-2007, 07:40 PM
I don't buy this "it takes 2 years for players to grow into a system" shit.

Fit the system around the talent for once in this organization's history.


You mean coach to the players strengths instead of forcing square pegs into round holes? Novel concept!

the Talking Can
12-18-2007, 07:41 PM
repost

HemiEd
12-18-2007, 07:42 PM
Half time adjustments? Now things are getting all twisted, it makes me flustrated.

Ari mlat
12-18-2007, 07:42 PM
Does your friend have any friends who work for Iran? Perhaps the front office needs a suitcase nuke?

Rain Man
12-18-2007, 07:43 PM
Why on earth would we get rid of players that we can't replace? Kennison is our second-best WR. No doubt about it. Law is slow, but he can still play. Wiegman doesn't match our system, but he can still play. And Dunn? DUNN? Dunn is the best blocker in space on the team.

Wilson and Welbourn can be and should be replaced, but as for the others, we need replacements before we go and cut any of them.

HemiEd
12-18-2007, 07:45 PM
Why on earth would we get rid of players that we can't replace? Kennison is our second-best WR. No doubt about it. Law is slow, but he can still play. Wiegman doesn't match our system, but he can still play. And Dunn? DUNN? Dunn is the best blocker in space on the team.

Wilson and Welbourn can be and should be replaced, but as for the others, we need replacements before we go and cut any of them.

The same reason he got rid of TRich. I noticed he made the pro bowl for the Vikings today.

Rain Man
12-18-2007, 07:48 PM
The same reason he got rid of TRich. I noticed he made the pro bowl for the Vikings today.

Yeah, I saw that, too. Good for T-Rich. Bad for Herm and Carl. But hey, it's not like we need a fullback or anything...right?

Douche Baggins
12-18-2007, 07:50 PM
Nice cooter.

The Bad Guy
12-18-2007, 07:50 PM
That is an interesting post on the subject.

elvomito
12-18-2007, 07:52 PM
CP was used to having a coach he didn't need to babysit(DV).
He fails to realize herm needs firm direction.
this team would succeed if someone smart was directing.
as the saying goes, this is chess, not checkers. herm is playing bingo and CP is sitting next to him.

elvomito
12-18-2007, 07:54 PM
Nice cooter.see her boob incision scar in that last pic?

HemiEd
12-18-2007, 07:55 PM
Yeah, I saw that, too. Good for T-Rich. Bad for Herm and Carl. But hey, it's not like we need a fullback or anything...right?

No need for any of those circus clowns on this team.

Rain Man
12-18-2007, 07:56 PM
I'm really going to miss that guy.

Fish
12-18-2007, 07:56 PM
What were we talking about?

Buck
12-18-2007, 07:57 PM
5 Bucks says CP gets shutdown for a while..

KcMizzou
12-18-2007, 07:59 PM
5 Bucks says CP gets shutdown for a while..I don't think that's ever happened before, and we've seen worse.

Some dolphins fan spammed the board with gay porn once... that was bad. :shake:

DaneMcCloud
12-18-2007, 08:00 PM
The same reason he got rid of TRich. I noticed he made the pro bowl for the Vikings today.

How did the Chiefs "get rid" of Richardson, when he was a free-agent and able to sign with any other team?

Additionally, IIRC, the Chiefs offer was similar if not equal to Minnesota's offer. Are you implying that Herm somehow drove him away, even though he'd barely been at Arrowhead when Richardson left?

Do you have some sort of "inside info" that you'd like to share?

HemiEd
12-18-2007, 08:00 PM
I don't think that's ever happened before, and we've seen worse.

Some dolphins fan spammed the board with gay porn once... that was bad. :shake:

The worst one I saw was that stuff from rotten. :Lin:

Rain Man
12-18-2007, 08:02 PM
How did the Chiefs "get rid" of Richardson, when he was a free-agent and able to sign with any other team?

Additionally, IIRC, the Chiefs offer was similar if not equal to Minnesota's offer. Are you implying that Herm somehow drove him away, even though he'd barely been at Arrowhead when Richardson left?

Do you have some sort of "inside info" that you'd like to share?

I could be wrong, but I had a memory that the Chiefs either didn't make Richardson an offer, or they made a very lowball offer that was just a token. No?

KcMizzou
12-18-2007, 08:02 PM
The worst one I saw was that stuff from rotten. :Lin:Yeah... that was pretty rough too. I don't get the people who look at that kinda thing and find it entertaining. WTF?

DaneMcCloud
12-18-2007, 08:03 PM
PETERSON RESPONDS TO TONY RICHARDSON SIGNING WITH VIKINGS
Mar 21, 2006, 1:02:31 PM


I am personally disappointed that we were not able to work out a new contract for Tony Richardson. Obviously, his contributions both on and off the field in his ten years here have been outstanding. We sincerely thank Tony for all his efforts and accomplishments while in Kansas City.

We wish him the very best in his new career as a member of the Minnesota Vikings. I made it clear to Tony, as I have on numerous occasions, that when he is finished with his playing career I would like him to be a part of the Kansas City Chiefs organization. That offer and promise still holds and we look forward to seeing Tony in the future.

- Carl Peterson, president, Kansas City Chiefs

FAX
12-18-2007, 08:11 PM
How did the Chiefs "get rid" of Richardson, when he was a free-agent and able to sign with any other team?

Additionally, IIRC, the Chiefs offer was similar if not equal to Minnesota's offer. Are you implying that Herm somehow drove him away, even though he'd barely been at Arrowhead when Richardson left?

Do you have some sort of "inside info" that you'd like to share?

As I recall the episode, Mr. DaneMcCloud, our kidney wanted to stay. But, he also wanted an additional 500k. Carl didn't want to pay him the extra money, so he left.

Sure, TRich could have stayed a Chief, but he's nearing the end of his career, wanted the money, and pride was at stake. It's a shame too. TRich was good for LJ by all accounts. Both in the locker room and in the backfield.

FAX

Valiant
12-18-2007, 08:21 PM
Carl can spin it anyway he wants.. He and Herm did not want to Pay TR his worth and tried going with a younger, cheaper FB...


He failed miserably..

Halfcan
12-18-2007, 08:24 PM
Keep Herma and Sucklari??

Dumbest thing I heard all day.

Halfcan
12-18-2007, 08:39 PM
If Nick says it-it must be true-lol

Douche Baggins
12-18-2007, 09:00 PM
Its funny your quoting him when Nick "the eroneous one" Anthan said this:

FormerDB has proven to be a good source of information in the past.

dirk digler
12-18-2007, 09:04 PM
I call BS. There is no way you are going to sell the fan base with Carl and Herm still here with the same ****ing coaches that have ruined this team.

If they think it is bad now just wait by standing pat and releasing a few players.

FAX
12-18-2007, 09:06 PM
Ummm. Is anyone else getting a strange "parse" error on occasion?

FAX

Douche Baggins
12-18-2007, 09:09 PM
PARSE PARSE PARSE
ERROR ERROR

No, FAX...no idea what you're talking abo-PARSE PARSE ERROR ERROR

KcMizzou
12-18-2007, 09:10 PM
Ummm. Is anyone else getting a strange "parse" error on occasion?

FAXYeah, now and then.

Iowanian
12-18-2007, 09:12 PM
I have read several really solid posts from that guy....


But I can't stomoch that site very well. Its like the [/i]Barney[i] of Football message boards.

At least they need to collect personal information about the membership....

FAX
12-18-2007, 09:17 PM
Thanks for the confirmation, gentlemen. For a moment there, I thought the bad visions were back.

FAX

the Talking Can
12-18-2007, 09:20 PM
Its funny your quoting him when Nick "the eroneous one" Anthan said this:

so we're going to replace Carl with Carl #2?

god forbid we look for someone NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS COMPLETE FAILURE OF A FRANCHISE....

just recycle the same pathetic losers....

Bradway and Pennington?

****ing unreal

Douche Baggins
12-18-2007, 09:29 PM
I think Kuharich would make a good general manager. At least he wouldn't be an overbearing egomaniac like Carl. I suspect if Kuharich becomes the GM, Herm will have most of the power in reality.

Mecca
12-18-2007, 09:31 PM
I think Kuharich would make a good general manager. At least he wouldn't be an overbearing egomaniac like Carl. I suspect if Kuharich becomes the GM, Herm will have most of the power in reality.

He was great when he traded his whole draft for Ricky Williams.

dirk digler
12-18-2007, 09:42 PM
I think Kuharich would make a good general manager. At least he wouldn't be an overbearing egomaniac like Carl. I suspect if Kuharich becomes the GM, Herm will have most of the power in reality.

Yeah that is a brillant plan.

If this is what is going to happen then if you want Chief season tickets next year will be the best chance to get premuim seats for cheap

Douche Baggins
12-18-2007, 09:43 PM
Yeah that is a brillant plan.

If this is what is going to happen then if you want Chief season tickets next year will be the best chance to get premuim seats for cheap

I think that's what will happen. It's been the Carl show, now it will be the Herm show. Whether that's good or bad...guess we'll find out.

the Talking Can
12-18-2007, 09:45 PM
I think that's what will happen. It's been the Carl show, now it will be the Herm show. Whether that's good or bad...guess we'll find out.

don't pretend we don't know how that is going to end

15 years waiting for a rebuild, and we're going to rebuild ourselves in the image of Herm Edwards....

where's my whiskey

KC Tattoo
12-18-2007, 09:47 PM
Its funny your quoting him when Nick "the eroneous one" Anthan said this:

He reported $70,000,000.00 dollars? :spock: How many years? & can we afford Jared Allen? Are we going to be able to keep JA or not? This is the first report I've heard about how much JA wants. I am worried we won't be able to keep him. I am also worried that JA may not want to play for us anyways. We all want JA to be a Chief for a long time but realistically will we be able too?

Since this is a Nick "the eroneous one" how true can it be? Is he in the ball park figure?

Douche Baggins
12-18-2007, 09:49 PM
He reported $70,000,000.00 dollars? :spock: How many years? & can we afford Jared Allen? Are we going to be able to keep JA or not? This is the first report I've heard about how much JA wants. I am worried we won't be able to keep him. I am also worried that JA may not want to play for us anyways. We all want JA to be a Chief for a long time but realistically will we be able too?

Since this is a Nick "the eroneous one" how true can it be? Is he in the ball park figure?

Dwight Freeney got 72 million last year.

dirk digler
12-18-2007, 09:51 PM
I think that's what will happen. It's been the Carl show, now it will be the Herm show. Whether that's good or bad...guess we'll find out.

God I hope you are wrong. If you are I will buy you a 12 pack of beer

ChiefsCountry
12-18-2007, 09:52 PM
He was great when he traded his whole draft for Ricky Williams.

Dikta and the Owner overruled and won that.

Douche Baggins
12-18-2007, 09:53 PM
God I hope you are wrong. If you are I will buy you a 12 pack of beer

I won't drink it.

But seriously...like Mizzou said. A new GM from outside the organization will want to hire his own head coach.

If the Chiefs dump Carl, it's because they believe in Herm. They'll promote some Herm lackey to be the "de facto GM," but Herm will be the one running the show. Kuharich isn't going to tell Herm what to do.

Now Herm can bring in his own offensive staff (this whole staff was forced on him by Carl) but will probably keep Gunther.

So the good news...no more Justin Medlock picks.

But the bad news...well, we'll see I guess.

KC Tattoo
12-18-2007, 09:57 PM
Dwight Freeney got 72 million last year.

Ok, so with LJs big contract and not many other players worthy of a big contract is it safe to say we can afford JA @ his asking price and how many years would that be? Will that leave us any money left for improvements to this team via FA or Draft? A bunch of players are going to be cut but they will have to be replaced and so the money is still going to be out there for somebody right?

I am asking if I should be conserned obout JA getting a new contract with us or What? Any body else wondering if JA is going to be a Chief next year?

dirk digler
12-18-2007, 09:58 PM
I won't drink it.

But seriously...like Mizzou said. A new GM from outside the organization will want to hire his own head coach.

If the Chiefs dump Carl, it's because they believe in Herm. They'll promote some Herm lackey to be the "de facto GM," but Herm will be the one running the show. Kuharich isn't going to tell Herm what to do.

Now Herm can bring in his own offensive staff (this whole staff was forced on him by Carl) but will probably keep Gunther.

So the good news...no more Justin Medlock picks.

But the bad news...well, we'll see I guess.

This will never work and if they think it will they need to look at the recent history of other teams that tried this.

Mike Holmgren lost his GM duties and Shanahan's personnel decisions are less than stellar.

In fact is there any other organizations that are letting their head coach have that much power? Maybe the Patriots but Belichick is a genius Herm is a dumb **** who has never won anything in his life.

Mecca
12-18-2007, 10:01 PM
This is really funny........if you wanna give up coach and the GM job to 1 guy you can get someone way better than Herm for the job...

That's the kinda stuff that will open a guys eyes and make him think about it.

Douche Baggins
12-18-2007, 10:01 PM
Ok, so with LJs big contract and not many other players worthy of a big contract is it safe to say we can afford JA @ his asking price and how many years would that be? Will that leave us any money left for improvements to this team via FA or Draft? A bunch of players are going to be cut but they will have to be replaced and so the money is still going to be out there for somebody right?

I am asking if I should be conserned obout JA getting a new contract with us or What? Any body else wondering if JA is going to be a Chief next year?

We can afford it.

Whether we should pay it...is the topic of my Thursday column. :)

DaneMcCloud
12-18-2007, 10:02 PM
Ok, so with LJs big contract and not many other players worthy of a big contract is it safe to say we can afford JA @ his asking price and how many years would that be? Will that leave us any money left for improvements to this team via FA or Draft? A bunch of players are going to be cut but they will have to be replaced and so the money is still going to be out there for somebody right?

I am asking if I should be conserned obout JA getting a new contract with us or What? Any body else wondering if JA is going to be a Chief next year?

The salary cap will be $121 million next year. Jared Allen will probably get a deal similar to LJ's, $20 million bonus and the rest over the next 7 years. The cap will continue to increase each year and I think that signing Jared won't be an issue.

dirk digler
12-18-2007, 10:04 PM
This is really funny........if you wanna give up coach and the GM job to 1 guy you can get someone way better than Herm for the job...

That's the kinda stuff that will open a guys eyes and make him think about it.

Yep this would be the stupidest thing to happen in the NFL in a long time. We would become the laughingstock of the NFL if Herm was given this much power.

This will not work I guarantee you that much.

Phobia
12-18-2007, 10:04 PM
The worst one I saw was that stuff from rotten. :Lin:
But, but,... TomKash is innocent. Phobia is the one who was always picking on poor, poor Tom.

BigRedChief
12-19-2007, 04:55 AM
FormerDB has proven to be a good source of information in the past.
He's a "real" reporter back east. Big time TV gig with a major market. He grew up here and is a big Chiefs fan so he keeps his contacts up.

Remember all those great reports from training camp on the Coalition site? Those were his work.

chagrin
12-19-2007, 05:00 AM
Shouldn't they keep Kris Wilson? Bigfoot may have been MIA for 4 years but he has deomnstrated the ability to catch, and he's strong; maybe they should try to find a way to keep him; but that would require the Caoching staff to think out of the box.

Just to clarify, I don't mean give him big moeny or anything but he has shown some worth...

penguinz
12-19-2007, 07:25 AM
Carl can spin it anyway he wants.. He and Herm did not want to Pay TR his worth and tried going with a younger, cheaper FB...


He failed miserably..Richardson did not want to play for the Chiefs. He went to a team that was playing a style of football he was better suited for.

Dave Lane
12-19-2007, 07:44 AM
You mean coach to the players strengths instead of forcing square pegs into round holes? Novel concept!


Unheard of in Herms world.

Chiefnj2
12-19-2007, 07:49 AM
He's a "real" reporter back east. Big time TV gig with a major market. He grew up here and is a big Chiefs fan so he keeps his contacts up.

Remember all those great reports from training camp on the Coalition site? Those were his work.

I will forever hate formerdb because he is the guy who broke the news in the summer of 2005 that Herm was going to be KC's next head coach. This is just a case where the news is so bad, you have to kill the messenger.

Rausch
12-19-2007, 07:53 AM
I don't like the idea of dumping Dunn. Definitely don't like it now that our line is $#it and could use any help they can get.

And Solari stays but Gun goes? Isn't that about bass ackward?

splatbass
12-19-2007, 07:55 AM
I don't buy this "it takes 2 years for players to grow into a system" shit.

Fit the system around the talent for once in this organization's history.

I think he means that newly drafted players take a while to get up to NFL speed. Very few come in and start playing at a starter level right away. And when you have a whole team full of them it takes longer. If we start over with young players it will take a while before they are good.

DaKCMan AP
12-19-2007, 07:55 AM
I don't like the idea of dumping Dunn. Definitely don't like it now that our line is $#it and could use any help they can get.

And Solari stays but Gun goes? Isn't that about bass ackward?

Dunn has lost a step, considerably.

Iowanian
12-19-2007, 07:57 AM
I think Kuharich would make a good general manager. At least he wouldn't be an overbearing egomaniac like Carl. I suspect if Kuharich becomes the GM, Herm will have most of the power in reality.

Other than driving the Saints completely into the ground, giving up an ENTIRE DRAFT to pick a headcase, Bong water drinking, stank head........

If Kuharich is made GM....this fan will be furious.

Its like making Dick Curl head coach, and expecting me to be happy.

HemiEd
12-19-2007, 08:04 AM
But, but,... TomKash is innocent. Phobia is the one who was always picking on poor, poor Tom.

If he did that, he should be dealt with very harshly, even beyond CP. That was beyond poor taste.