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banyon
12-19-2007, 06:47 PM
Agree, disagree?

http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png

US Primaries 2008

In response to many requests, not only from Americans, The Political Compassô has charted the most prominent names in the 2008 US Primaries. They have been evaluated through scrutiny of public statements, manifestos, interviews and, crucially, voting records. Our apologies for those not included.

It is important to recognise that The Political Compassô is a continuum rather than consisting of hard and fast quadrants. For example, Ron Paul on the social scale is actually closer to Dennis Kucinich than to many figures within his own party. But on the economic scale, they are, of course, far apart.

When examining the chart it is important to note that although most of the candidates seem quite different, in substance they occupy a relatively restricted area within the universal political spectrum. Democracies with a system of proportional representation give expression to a wider range of political views. While Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel are depicted on the extreme left in an American context, they would simply be mainstream social democrats within the wider political landscape of Europe. Similarly, Hillary Clinton is popularly perceived as a leftist in the United States while in any other western democracy her record is that of a moderate conservative.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008

StcChief
12-19-2007, 06:49 PM
seems pretty close.

another meaning for being in the Upper Right Quadrant

banyon
12-19-2007, 06:49 PM
For my part, this is definitely pretty close to the way I've viewed the field. it is interesting that Gravel, Kucinich, and Paul are really the only people totally out of the spread.

Taco John
12-19-2007, 08:34 PM
I think this chart is a joke...

The questions are full of logical fallacies... as well as questions that don't reflect policy.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Cochise
12-19-2007, 08:38 PM
This kind of thing shows you really where people are at, versus when they get called fascists or communists or whatever. We're a long way from that.

Taco John
12-19-2007, 08:38 PM
"Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races."


What does that reveal about my right/left leanings if I answer strongly agree, or strongly disagee? How did Chris Dodd answer this? Am I to believe they actually asked him?

Taco John
12-19-2007, 08:40 PM
"Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified."


International law? I'm most definitely against military action that defies constitutional law, but I have no feelings about supposed International law.

It's clear whoever designed these questions did so from a very leftist position.

How am I to believe that Ron Paul answered this? What does it reveal about his right/left leanings if he answered strongly agree or strongly disagree.

I personally don't even know how to answer it.

banyon
12-19-2007, 08:43 PM
"Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races."


What does that reveal about my right/left leanings if I answer strongly agree, or strongly disagee? How did Chris Dodd answer this? Am I to believe they actually asked him?


Real fascist/authoritarian regimes often discriminate based on race.

I'd assume Chris Dodd doesn't think that's a good policy choice. Tancredo? Who knows?

Taco John
12-19-2007, 08:47 PM
Real fascist/authoritarian regimes often discriminate based on race.

I'd assume Chris Dodd doesn't think that's a good policy choice. Tancredo? Who knows?


That question isn't about discrimination though. I mean, that's what they're driving at... Apparently if you believe there are differences in the races, you're a racist... But I'd argue that a black person could answer in the strongly agree affirmative thinking, "black people seem to be more physically gifted." What would that answer reveal about their left/right leanings? I would say absolutely nothing.

banyon
12-19-2007, 08:48 PM
"Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified."


International law? I'm most definitely against military action that defies constitutional law, but I have no feelings about supposed International law.

It's clear whoever designed these questions did so from a very leftist position.

How am I to believe that Ron Paul answered this? What does it reveal about his right/left leanings if he answered strongly agree or strongly disagree.

I personally don't even know how to answer it.

What about that question makes it "leftist" to you?

Since Ron Paul doesn't think we should subordinate ourselves to international organizations, why wouldn't he answer the question "Strongly Agree"?

banyon
12-19-2007, 08:55 PM
That question isn't about discrimination though. I mean, that's what they're driving at... Apparently if you believe there are differences in the races, you're a racist... But I'd argue that a black person could answer in the strongly agree affirmative thinking, "black people seem to be more physically gifted." What would that answer reveal about their left/right leanings? I would say absolutely nothing.

Yeah, but that's not "many superior qualities". Plus if you are eager to answer the question about "our race" and that's the way you see things then that indicates some leanings i think. Is it foolproof no? That's why it's a poll. Maybe that question could be more accurately targeted, but it's probably balanced out by other questions too. no it is not the most sophisticated poll i have ever encountered, but it's interesting enough.

Taco John
12-19-2007, 08:56 PM
What about that question makes it "leftist" to you?

Since Ron Paul doesn't think we should subordinate ourselves to international organizations, why wouldn't he answer the question "Strongly Agree"?



All the questions are worded leftist. The thing reads like penchief wrote it. This quiz certainly does not come from the position of the center.

This question is leftist because it presupposes that international law is meaningful. I would say that military action that defies the constitution is never justified. I would say that military action that defies international law is always justified because I don't have any respect for international law.

How is this thing going to rate me? Based on the slant of their questions, I have no confidence that it will do so correctly.

banyon
12-19-2007, 09:01 PM
All the questions are worded leftist. The thing reads like penchief wrote it. This quiz certainly does not come from the position of the center.

This question is leftist because it presupposes that international law is meaningful. I would say that military action that defies the constitution is never justified. I would say that military action that defies international law is always justified because I don't have any respect for international law.

How is this thing going to rate me? Based on the slant of their questions, I have no confidence that it will do so correctly.

I don't see how the question presupposes that international law is meaningful. In fact it sounds exactly like something B*sh would say, or Cheney. "mehhh, militaryaction that defiesinternationallaw issometimes justified, wehh." i can practically hear him saying the words.

banyon
12-19-2007, 09:03 PM
Here's a question on page 2:

Those who are able to work, and refuse the opportunity, should not expect society's support.

That's leftist?

HC_Chief
12-19-2007, 09:05 PM
hey would simply be mainstream social democrats within the wider political landscape of Europe

ROFL!
"wider political landscape" = SOCIALISM?! ha

banyon
12-19-2007, 09:12 PM
ROFL!
"wider political landscape" = SOCIALISM?! ha

Parliamentary systems lend themselves to both extremes. There are plenty of far-right parties out there too. Le Pen comes to mind in France (also the Likud, and the ultranationalist Scottish parties). He wouldn't be able to win a general election here.

banyon
12-19-2007, 09:18 PM
Here's my chart for posterity:

FD
12-19-2007, 09:28 PM
All the questions are worded leftist. The thing reads like penchief wrote it. This quiz certainly does not come from the position of the center.

This question is leftist because it presupposes that international law is meaningful. I would say that military action that defies the constitution is never justified. I would say that military action that defies international law is always justified because I don't have any respect for international law.

How is this thing going to rate me? Based on the slant of their questions, I have no confidence that it will do so correctly.


I agree some of the questions are pretty bad but do you disagree with where anyone is placed? It seems to fit pretty well.

For the record it spotted me right on top of Milton Friedman and I was very pleased with that.

banyon
12-19-2007, 09:30 PM
I agree some of the questions are pretty bad but do you disagree with where anyone is placed? It seems to fit pretty well.

For the record it spotted me right on top of Milton Friedman and I was very pleased with that.

LOL, I am right in the same spot as Ghandi.

irishjayhawk
12-19-2007, 09:45 PM
Mine is pretty interesting. Again, I've always claimed I'm a moderate with a SLIGHT liberal lean in every test. This one is no exception.

I never really had many tests between authoritarian and libertarian though. So I don't know what to make of it.


I did, like TJ and others, disagree with some of the phrasing. Either that, or they need a middle option.

Here's my compass:

wazu
12-19-2007, 09:50 PM
What a ridiculous test. This is not a political "compass' by any means.

banyon
12-19-2007, 09:58 PM
What a ridiculous test. This is not a political "compass' by any means.

Despite the simplistic way some things are phrased (though not any simpler than Wolf Blitzer asking for a show of hands), I haven't heard anyone quibble with the results.

Usually a test is as useful as its ability to predict or explain phenomena.

irishjayhawk
12-19-2007, 10:03 PM
Despite the simplistic way some things are phrased (though not any simpler than Wolf Blitzer asking for a show of hands), I haven't heard anyone quibble with the results.

Usually a test is as useful as its ability to predict or explain phenomena.

Yep. It placed me left right almost exactly where I've been on all tests. But I, again, have no clue on the up down thing.

Does anyone have another test that's just up down?

wazu
12-19-2007, 10:14 PM
Despite the simplistic way some things are phrased (though not any simpler than Wolf Blitzer asking for a show of hands), I haven't heard anyone quibble with the results.

Usually a test is as useful as its ability to predict or explain phenomena.

Okay, I went through and answered all of the maddening questions, and the result seems inaccurate, although not horrifically so. For comparison, I am economically just as far to the right as Ron Paul, and if anything I am more authoritative/less libertarian than he is.

banyon
12-19-2007, 10:21 PM
Okay, I went through and answered all of the maddening questions, and the result seems inaccurate, although not horrifically so. For comparison, I am economically just as far to the right as Ron Paul, and if anything I am more authoritative/less libertarian than he is.

I'm not asking these questions to be snarky, but how are you further to the right than RP? I mean it seems like his view is just to scrap everything and fund a few necessary entities with excise taxes, (pretty much an Art. of Confed. view).

And even though I don't like discussing the issue much, are you pro-life or pro-choice? I don't like it, but that's an issue that carries a lot of weight for a lot of people. Are there other things you would be less libertarian (socially I take it) on?

wazu
12-19-2007, 10:32 PM
I'm not asking these questions to be snarky, but how are you further to the right than RP? I mean it seems like his view is just to scrap everything and fund a few necessary entities with excise taxes, (pretty much an Art. of Confed. view).

And even though I don't like discussing the issue much, are you pro-life or pro-choice? I don't like it, but that's an issue that carries a lot of weight for a lot of people. Are there other things you would be less libertarian (socially I take it) on?

I agree for the most part regarding Ron Paul's views on the role of government. If we eliminated the personal income tax altogether, we would still have the same overall tax revenue we had in 2000. From that amount of revenue we'd make it work with a balanced budget to boot. I may fall short of Ron Paul in some areas here, but I am definitely far to the economic right of the rest of the Republican field, and farther right than Tancredo.

Socially, I am very pro-life, so I doubt that's where we break down. There were a lot of bizarre questions in this survey, so I'm guessing the answers somebody plugged in for some of those were different than my own.

Taco John
12-19-2007, 11:01 PM
"Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all."

good grief...

wazu
12-19-2007, 11:03 PM
"Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all."

good grief...

That may be one of the ones where I and the fictional version of Ron Paul disagree. I said "Disagree" to this one. Mainly because there wasn't a "No Opinion Whatsoever" option.

JBucc
12-20-2007, 09:00 AM
Uh oh. You guys better watch out if I ever get any power. Almost up there with Hitler.
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6817/pcgraphpngphpec238soc8cn0.png

Adept Havelock
12-20-2007, 09:22 AM
Fairly close, I suppose. :shrug:

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banyon
12-20-2007, 09:26 AM
"Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all."

good grief...

I bet that's a question that has a fairly high correlative value to your political orientation.

Yes, it doesn't directly speak to your policy views, but does it tell you which side of the political fence one is more likely to sit on? Maybe, I haven't seen any of the data.

There some answers to questions like the ones you and others have posed in their FAQ. (http://www.politicalcompass.org/faq)

Some of the questions are slanted

Most of them are slanted ! Some right-wingers accuse us of a leftward slant. Some left-wingers accuse us of a rightward slant. But it's important to realise that this isn't a survey, and these aren't questions.

They're propositions - an altogether different proposition. To question the logic of individual ones that irritate you is to miss the point. Some propositions are extreme, and some are more moderate. That's how we can show you whether you lean towards extremism or moderation on the Compass.

Some of the propositions are intentionally vague. Their purpose is to trigger buzzwords in the mind of the user, measuring feelings and prejudices rather than detailed opinions on policy.
Incidentally, our test is not another internet personality classification tool. The essence of our site is the model for political analysis. The test is simply a demonstration of it.

What have attitudes towards things like abstract art and homosexuality to do with politics ?

On the social scale, they're immensely important. Homophobia has been highly politicised by leaders like Robert Mugabe and betrays a tendency to condemn and punish those who disregard conventional values. Hitler's pink triangles reflected similar authoritarian hostility.
Likewise, authoritarian rťgimes frequently attack highly imaginative and unconventional art, music and literary works as a threat to the rigid cultural conformity they uphold.

Cochise
12-20-2007, 09:28 AM
Some of these questions are kind of lame.

"A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system."

Well, I suspect that is true, that things probably do get done a lot faster when there's no discussion. But I don't want this thing to brand me a totalitarian or one who thinks that advantage is worth the weight of the rest of the system.

banyon
12-20-2007, 09:30 AM
Some of these questions are kind of lame.

"A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system."

Well, I suspect that is true, that things probably do get done a lot faster when there's no discussion. But I don't want this thing to brand me a totalitarian or one who thinks that advantage is worth the weight of the rest of the system.

That was probably the question that bugged me the most too. It seems to be asking a factual question and not a policy attitude.

This is their reply:

It's true that a one party state has a significant advantage; even so I wouldn't support it. So how can I respond ?
From classical Greece onwards, discussion and, inevitably, argument, has been viewed by democrats as essential for considering all viewpoints and consequently reaching the best informed and most representative decision. For such people, the replacement of polemics with speedy dictates would definitely not be seen as any sort of "significant advantage" or "progress".


That's still pretty sketchy to me. They could've worded that one better to get what they were aiming for, IMO.

Cochise
12-20-2007, 09:31 AM
I think the graphic showing the candidates is about right. But as for the quiz, I'm going to go ahead and say this isn't very accurate.

I don't think that because it labels me more or less centrist. Where I align with the candidates above, though, this doesn't make any sense. It'd be a cold day in hell before I voted for the Breck girl LMAO

Jenson71
12-20-2007, 10:58 AM
It is important that my child's school instills religious values.

How do they know I want to send my child to a Catholic school?

My results:

HC_Chief
12-20-2007, 11:12 AM
I am somewhat surprised by the result of my test... typically I hit closer to center

<img src="http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=5.75&soc=-3.28">

BucEyedPea
12-20-2007, 11:37 AM
All the questions are worded leftist. The thing reads like penchief wrote it. This quiz certainly does not come from the position of the center.
I agree. I had the same reaction reading the questions. It sounded like the question's choices were written by a left-libertarian. I don't think people are aware that there is such a thing called "left-libertarianism." Someone on another BB pointed this out to me one day and I looked it up. They are communitarians....aka closer to communism. I think this may be why penchief says some of the things he says and calls us "neo-libertarians."

Nevertheless, it placed me "somewhat" correctly, as I consider myself right of center, but not as far over toward anarchism as some libertarians. I'd move it more to the left is all. I don't know how high up though...I actually don't feel the Nolan Chart is all that valid with that part. I think they place Friedman far too much to the right side. I'd move him over more than that, in fact a lot more or at the least higher. He's no mini-anarchist. I think this one shows the leftist orientation of the questions. I can see a leftist thinkin' Milty is that far over on the right.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=2.50&soc=-2.67

Baby Lee
12-20-2007, 12:12 PM
How the hell does a Hitler clone like Giuliani get the second least right and second least authoritarian spot among the Repubs. TJ and BEP have convinced me that he's a despot.

BucEyedPea
12-20-2007, 01:05 PM
How the hell does a Hitler clone like Giuliani get the second least right and second least authoritarian spot among the Repubs. TJ and BEP have convinced me that he's a despot.
Because Taco and Bep feel it's a flawed test. That's one example. But then Guiliani is a liberal.

Cochise
12-20-2007, 01:07 PM
How the hell does a Hitler clone like Giuliani get the second least right and second least authoritarian spot among the Repubs. TJ and BEP have convinced me that he's a despot.

Because all candidates, politicians, and posters lie at one of the compass points on that graph. No one is anywhere in between.

Baby Lee
12-20-2007, 01:26 PM
Here's me, in dot form.

Baby Lee
12-20-2007, 01:31 PM
Because Taco and Bep feel it's a flawed test. That's one example. But then Guiliani is a liberal.
I've voiced very similar complaints about the structure of this test in the past. However, you can't judge the validity of a test by just looking at the questions posed. The validity is a measure of the correlation between the overall assessment and the reality of the subject's position.
If they could somehow construct a test that accurately plotted your position be simply asking 'Deal? . . . or No Deal?' over and over, it'd still be a valid test, however vapid the question.

BucEyedPea
12-20-2007, 01:48 PM
I've voiced very similar complaints about the structure of this test in the past.
I have as well.

clemensol
12-20-2007, 03:30 PM
Completely terrible test and an even worse attempt to use the test to rate the candidates...

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-20-2007, 04:12 PM
The funny thing about compass tests is that people complain that they have a libertarian bias.

Meanwhile, the libertarians on this board bitch about their left lean.

FWIW, I was to the left of Ghandi.

Adept Havelock
12-20-2007, 04:32 PM
The funny thing about compass tests is that people complain that they have a libertarian bias.

Meanwhile, the libertarians on this board bitch about their left lean.

FWIW, I was to the left of Ghandi.


Apparently I'm more libertarian than Ron Paul.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost.php?p=4468787&postcount=30

mlyonsd
12-20-2007, 05:23 PM
Here's mine. I'm thinking I'm a freak.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-0.25&soc=-1.08

ClevelandBronco
12-20-2007, 05:26 PM
Apparently I'm more libertarian than Ron Paul...

According to the test at hand, so am I. But the fact is I'm not.

It's a fun parlor trick we can use to compare each against the other here, but I'm not going to take their placements of any of the candidates seriously.

clemensol
12-20-2007, 06:00 PM
here's mine:

Economic: 1.25
Social: -8.26

alnorth
12-20-2007, 06:21 PM
Oh.

We are back on this idiotic, stupidly-biased, utterly worthless political compass? I first saw this thing 4 or 5 years ago on another board and wrote some responses to it. Then I kept seeing this thing pop up again in message boards every 6-12 months or so, so I just saved the responses to copy and repost later.

I assume these are still valid, the last time I checked they still hadnt changed any of their retarded questions, and that idiotic art question someone mentioned before was in this stupid test 4-5 years ago too.

Now where the hell did I save it, its been a year.... oh there it is.

alnorth
12-20-2007, 06:23 PM
Standard response #1 to (insert Politicalcompass.org topic here)

The theory of the political compass is sound, but this particular implementation of it is crap. They donít even bother to adequately disguise the biases of the creator for this particular test.

Normally when I see these compass tests, they are skewed towards Libertarianism. This is the first time I've seen one of these kinds of compass tests that was biased towards full liberalism though. Normally Liberals donít care about the compass since they benefit from the Left-Right thinking every bit as much as the GOP.

Their questions were obviously created so that a centrist would drift to the lower-left, a right-winger would probably recognize the bias and answer accordingly to make sure they stayed upper-right, and any true libertarians would drift to the lower left. The questions are not crafted neutrally; they are definitely biased to the left.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

This is what you normally see with these compass quizzes. These questions are obviously loaded to encourage people to identify themselves as Libertarians (and then hopefully decide to join their Libertarian party)

alnorth
12-20-2007, 06:26 PM
Standard response #2 to (insert Politicalcompass.org topic here)

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If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations.

Well, golly that sounds like a nice noble statement! Just who wouldnít agree with this? This question is flawed because it assumes that "serve humanity" and "serve the interests of trans-national corporations" are mutually exclusive goals. When a corporation creates and provides jobs to disadvantaged countries, as well as a way for them to survive and make a living where they would otherwise starve, couldnít you argue that the corporation is serving humanity AND serving themselves?

This question subtly makes people think that walking and chewing gum at the same time isnít possible here, and so people vote for what sounds nice and noble without thinking about it. This gets scored as Liberal.

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I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong.

Well gosh this sounds enlightened doesnít it? If you believe your country is "wrong", then by definition you should not support it. Morally and ethically, everyone should be voting No to this question, however this answer is scored as Liberal for some reason thatís not defensible.

A Conservative, Centrist, or Libertarian who decides to vote no on this question is doing so under the assumption that the country is doing something thatís wrong. This question is flawed because it uses a flawed assumption. Who is to say that the country is doing something wrong? This question belongs in a non-political ethics/moral quiz, it does not belong in a political quiz, because Conservatives and Liberals are not necessarily agreeing that the country is doing something wrong. If you force them to make that assumption, then morally they must answer no, and they then get incorrectly labelled.

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Our race has many superior qualities, compared to other races.

EVERYONE is going to say no to this. It gets scored liberal. (incorrectly)

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The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

This question is playing games with us. This question is salvageable if you get into specifics. If you want to ask whether we are willing to support a lesser evil such as China(human rights abuses), in support of going against a greater evil (North Korea's even worse human rights abuses, and possible security dangers) then come right out and say so. Even then, I'm not sure how the question should be scored. It strikes me as a non-partisan issue and should probably be tossed out.

This question is not biased towards Liberal or conservative, it is simply irrelevant and confusing in its current form. Its effect is a random unpredictable variable skewing the result in a random way.

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The growing fusion between information and entertainment is a worrying contribution to the public's shrinking attention span.

This question is going to be answered yes by most people. A Liberal is going to have Fox News or the radio in mind. A Conservative is probably going to be thinking of MTV or pop culture. Both will mostly answer yes, but itíll get scored as Liberal for both. This question is salvageable with specifics. If you want to talk about Fox News and the radio vs. CNN and the networks, then come right out and say so.

The other questions on page 1 are fine. I'm not going to spell out ALL the problems with the other pages, or this will be a book instead of a post, just the worst ones in the next pages:

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Page 2 is horrible, only 3 good neutral questions, I'll only pick the 2 worst IMO

People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality.

Way too vague. Most people will look around, realize the stark difference between rich and poor, and say yes. They arenít passing judgement, they are simply affirming reality. This gets scored Liberal.

What they MEANT to say, was something like "Success in life depends on winning life's lottery or being born to a wealthy family, rather than hard work and determination"

My re-wording is probably biased towards conservative, most people will answer my question no and get scored conservative, but you get the idea. This question could be very difficult to word neutrally.

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The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders.

EVERYONE should be answering no to this question. If you donít answer no, you either didnít think about it, or I worry for your morality and ethics. Unfortunately, answering no will score you Liberal.

Corporations have a very high obligation to their shareholders. A Liberal will probably be thinking of something like the poor or the environment when they answer no, and thatís fine. However, Conservatives will be thinking about the law and business ethics when they answer no. Corporations donít have ONLY a responsibility to shareholders and no one else, that question is retarded. They have a responsibility AT LEAST to their government and the law as well.

This question is salvageable if you spell out what the Liberal and the conservative is thinking, something like which is more important, responsibility to shareholders, or to the environment, etc.

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Page 3 is actually not that bad. This one focuses on social issues, and since most people are socially liberal, they did not have to monkey around with these questions to get the result they wanted.

I donít like "What's good for the most successful corporations is always, ultimately, good for all of us." or "Everyone has their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind.", but I wont be nit-picky.

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Page 4 isnít bad since its also social issues, only 3 problems on first glance.

"A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system."

This question is just plain retarded, and I donít have to go too far to explain why, it should be obvious to everyone. A Liberal will be imagining the horrors of a US with only republicans, and a conservative will be imagining the horrors of a country with only democrats. Both will answer no, both are scored liberal.

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Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all.

I honestly have no clue how this question is scored. Itís random, some people will say yes, some will say no, and I have no clue how you could say either is conservative or liberal, or what the test creators are thinking about either. So, this will add randomness skewing the final result in a random direction.

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Mothers may have careers, but their first duty is to be homemakers

This question is salvageable with re-wording. The intention is obvious, but "homemakers" now has an obvious negative connotation. I would re-state this as "A good family should have either a mom or a dad staying at home to raise the kids through earlier childhood, while the other works as the family wage-earner."

I have heard of a conservative family where the dad stayed at home because the mom was a successful attorney who could earn far more money. This made sense for that family.

The Liberal would vote no and perhaps state that they should both be able to work and advance their professional career, relying on outside child-care, while the conservative would say yes to this question, it doesnít matter which one stays home. For a centrist, the negative connotation of "homemaker" is now gone and you can now neutrally evaluate it.

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Page 5 and 6 isnít bad, but it does have this:

Astrology accurately explains many things.

ROFL

What the hell does being stupid and gullible have to do with politics? It should be tossed out of this quiz, and inserted into a "how freaking retarded are you?" test. This question probably backfires on the creators and skews the results towards being conservative.

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There were other nitpicks but I got tired of detailing them after page 1, just looked at the worst. I donít have many problems with the social questions; most of them were neutral since they didnít have to fool with those questions to get the results they wanted. (most of this country is socially liberal) Itís the economic questions that they needed to screw up to eliminate libertarians.

alnorth
12-20-2007, 06:27 PM
Standard response #3 to (insert Politicalcompass.org topic here)

I honestly had to rebel against the test to get my score for the economic side. The social questions had a lot of flaws, but it was ok. I am a bit conservative on social issues, but there are a few social issues which I disagree with the party on (War on drugs) which does prevent me from being too far-right, so my score on that side wasnít off much.

On the economic questions I quickly saw they were all loaded and so had to answer the way I thought they probably intended to re-word the question if they had really been interested in designing it to be neutral, rather than what they actually wrote down to get everyone to score economic liberal.

Thatís how they are able to defeat the Libertarian's favorite toy. By loading the economic questions, they get politically libertarian people (which I believe is what most of the US is), to score Liberal instead, with hardly anyone scoring Libertarian. Some of the right-wingers probably will score authoritarian, see themselves in the same company as insane dictators, and wonder if maybe they are with the wrong crowd. (hopefully stop calling themselves republicans)

Instead of what could have been a nice interesting tool, this is clever propaganda.

Adept Havelock
12-20-2007, 06:30 PM
Standard response #1 to (insert Politicalcompass.org topic here)

The theory of the political compass is sound, but this particular implementation of it is crap. They donít even bother to adequately disguise the biases of the creator for this particular test.

Normally when I see these compass tests, they are skewed towards Libertarianism. This is the first time I've seen one of these kinds of compass tests that was biased towards full liberalism though. Normally Liberals donít care about the compass since they benefit from the Left-Right thinking every bit as much as the GOP.

Their questions were obviously created so that a centrist would drift to the lower-left, a right-winger would probably recognize the bias and answer accordingly to make sure they stayed upper-right, and any true libertarians would drift to the lower left. The questions are not crafted neutrally; they are definitely biased to the left.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

This is what you normally see with these compass quizzes. These questions are obviously loaded to encourage people to identify themselves as Libertarians (and then hopefully decide to join their Libertarian party)

Pretty good. I now have to wonder what my presence in the Lower Right quandrant means.

banyon
12-20-2007, 08:27 PM
those are pretty good criticisms, al. gotta read em' tommorrow.

BucEyedPea
12-20-2007, 09:16 PM
I found this on the analysis page and is what I was referrin' to somewhat. These guys are left libertarian.

The usual understanding of anarchism as a left wing ideology does not take into account the neo-liberal "anarchism" championed by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and America's Libertarian Party, which couples social Darwinian right-wing economics with liberal positions on most social issues. Often their libertarian impulses stop short of opposition to strong law and order positions, and are more economic in substance (ie no taxes) so they are not as extremely libertarian as they are extremely right wing. On the other hand, the classical libertarian collectivism of anarcho-syndicalism ( libertarian socialism) belongs in the bottom left hand corner.

alnorth
12-20-2007, 09:47 PM
I retook the test for the heck of it. Some questions are new or changed, many others are the same.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=1.25&soc=-1.13

This time I tried to answer them honestly, ignoring possible bias in the question-writer. Forgetting my disagreements and just looking where I am relative to the US candidates, based on my answers and the resulting position, I refuse to believe the results in the topic header. I believe that whoever is assigning these spots for our US politicians is probably cynically (and incorrectly) biasing them towards the upper-right, perhaps with some ulterior motive to point out "hey everyone, look how wacky and extreme those Americans are!"

Nightfyre
12-20-2007, 11:36 PM
This quiz is full of terrible questions.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=4.50&soc=-6.31

al's quiz was a bit shorter but a lot more on the mark, imo.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz-score/draw.php?p=10&e=10

patteeu
12-21-2007, 01:50 PM
This is what I got this time:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=6.25&soc=-0.97

I don't think the positions of the candidates on the OP graph make much sense. The center point is pretty far left if almost every candidate from both parties is to the right. And even though I think of myself as pretty libertarian, I don't think I'm more libertarian than Ron Paul.

BucEyedPea
12-21-2007, 01:52 PM
peu t'etre

ClevelandBronco
12-21-2007, 04:32 PM
This is what I got this time:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=6.25&soc=-0.97

I don't think the positions of the candidates on the OP graph make much sense. The center point is pretty far left if almost every candidate from both parties is to the right. And even though I think of myself as pretty libertarian, I don't think I'm more libertarian than Ron Paul.

I'm half a graph space above you and aligned perfectly with you to the right.

You freaking wacko.

patteeu
12-21-2007, 04:34 PM
I'm half a graph space above you and aligned perfectly with you to the right.

You freaking wacko.

LOL, I know there's something wrong with me now.

Baby Lee
12-21-2007, 07:07 PM
Again, we can't know how 'horrible' the test questions are until we have some index of correlation to see how accurate the results are.
The lack of that information is where your gripe should properly be.

listopencil
12-21-2007, 07:33 PM
Ron Paul is not a Libertarian.

BucEyedPea
12-21-2007, 07:34 PM
Again, we can't know how 'horrible' the test questions are until we have some index of correlation to see how accurate the results are.
The lack of that information is where your gripe should properly be.
Come now, BabyLee, accurate? It's about viewpoints. There are several political spectrum visuals used: circle, left-right dichotomy, Federalist Society's continuim of anarch to totalitarianism and this Nolan Scale ( libertarian scale).
Each group uses it to explain their viewpoint of governing...they're not really a black/white, right/wrong thing as an absolute. It's not math or science really.

Circle- used by liberals
Left Right Dichotomy- left can also be used by liberals
Nolan Scale- Libertarians
Federalist Society's line- conservative

You could use any of them so long as the definitions held for the political categories.

BucEyedPea
12-21-2007, 07:35 PM
Ron Paul is not a Libertarian.
Careful, I got blasted for saying he wouldn't say he was ( until that Glenn Beck show but then he referred to the Constitution as being libertarian.)
I think he's on the cusp of libertarianism myself....is fairly libertarian but not completely.

BucEyedPea
12-21-2007, 07:38 PM
I be interested, listo, in hearing why you say Paul isn't.