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Taco John
12-21-2007, 12:36 PM
Paul says he didn't mean to accuse Huckabee of being a fascist
Our thanks to "Brucevdk" for sending us a link to this video. It shows Republican presidential candidate Rep. Ron Paul talking about what he meant Tuesday when he said on Fox & Friends that GOP contender Mike Huckabee's "Merry Christmas" TV ad make him think of a quote often attributed to writer Sinclair Lewis that "when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross." (Check our post on what Paul said if you want to see the more than 500 comments it has generated.)

If you fast-forward in the clip Brucevdk alerted us to, to about 1:07:10, you'll see and hear Paul say that he didn't mean to single out Huckabee, but that he does believe the nation is headed toward "fascism" or "corporatism:"

"Well unfortunately it was an unfortunate comment made at the wrong time, because I have no interest in addressing my opponents by name, or whatever they do, or their ads.

"But I was getting ready for an interview and they said 'well you're going to be on a couple of minutes but we're on the news now would you answer a quick question?' Oh OK, and then they popped it up about this ad and you know told me about the ad and they said 'what's your comment?'

"So this thing flashed through my mind, about it, it had nothing to do with Huckabee but it has to do with my thoughts about what's happening to this country. Because I truly believe that fascism is coming, you know whether it's the military approach and in Mises, the great economist, has always talked about when socialism comes to this country it's not going to be the ordinary socialism it'll be more fascism.

"I think fascism is a tricky term because every time you say that word they think of Hitler, but there's fascism where corporations are in bed with big government. See if Sinclair Lewis had used the word corporatism it wouldn't have inflamed anybody, but you use fascism and people don't understand.

"But corporatism and fascism to me is when governments and big business gets together. See I don't like you know the Haliburtons having monopoly contracts and this sorta thing. So that's what was on my mind, but it was rather quick. ...

"That was a subtle thought that came to my mind that came to my mind and it ended up on television when it was applied to another person, which is not my method of doing things. I don't usually, very rarely, use another person's name. I'm looking at it philosophically more so."

(Who was Mises? Paul was referring to Ludwig von Mises.)

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/12/paul-says-he-di.html

Baby Lee
12-21-2007, 12:39 PM
I think it's a pretty naked estimation of Paul's chances that no one is carping about this gaffe.

Fishpicker
12-21-2007, 01:15 PM
fascism is already here

check out the House chambers. the chamber is decorated with gold fascii on both sides of the flag.
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patteeu
12-21-2007, 04:37 PM
fascism is already here

FYI, that's kind of a kooky thing to say. :p

KILLER_CLOWN
12-21-2007, 09:46 PM
FYI, that's kind of a kooky thing to say. :p

You must have a degree in Kookism.

alanm
12-21-2007, 09:51 PM
I think it's a pretty naked estimation of Paul's chances that no one is carping about this gaffe.
Pretty much.

patteeu
12-22-2007, 08:27 AM
You must have a degree in Kookism.

No formal schooling. I'm a self-taught, self-made expert. :p

banyon
12-22-2007, 08:55 AM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/3/2007/12/thumb463x_donblack.jpg


Ron Paul's Photo-Op with Stormfront

Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 3:53:50 pm PST

An LGF reader emailed this photograph, showing Ron Paul at the Values Voters Presidential Debate in Fort Lauderdale on September 17, 2007. Immediately to Paulís left: Don Black, the owner of neo-Nazi hate site Stormfront. If anyone knows who the creepy guy in the hat is, please post a comment.

Update: itís Derek Black, Donís son.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28353&only

Paul Keeps White Supremacist Donation

By BRIAN SKOLOFF
The Associated Press
Wednesday, December 19, 2007; 8:06 PM

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn't plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday.

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul has received a $500 campaign donation from a white supremacist, and the Texas congressman doesn't plan to return it, an aide said Wednesday.

Don Black, of West Palm Beach, recently made the donation, according to campaign filings. He runs a Web site called Stormfront with the motto, "White Pride World Wide." The site welcomes postings to the "Stormfront White Nationalist Community."



"Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity and inalienable rights. If someone with small ideologies happens to contribute money to Ron, thinking he can influence Ron in any way, he's wasted his money," Paul spokesman Jesse Benton said. "Ron is going to take the money and try to spread the message of freedom.

"And that's $500 less that this guy has to do whatever it is that he does," Benton added.

Black said he supports Paul's stance on ending the war in Iraq, securing America's borders and his opposition to amnesty for illegal immigrants.

"We know that he's not a white nationalist. He says he isn't and we believe him, but on the issues, there's only one choice," Black said Wednesday.

On his Web site, Black says he has been involved in "the White patriot movement for 30 years."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/19/AR2007121901596.html?tid=informbox

penchief
12-22-2007, 04:47 PM
"it has to do with my thoughts about what's happening to this country. Because I truly believe that fascism is coming.

"I think fascism is a tricky term because every time you say that word they think of Hitler, but there's fascism where corporations are in bed with big government. See if Sinclair Lewis had used the word corporatism it wouldn't have inflamed anybody, but you use fascism and people don't understand.

"But corporatism and fascism to me is when governments and big business gets together. See I don't like you know the Haliburtons having monopoly contracts and this sorta thing. So that's what was on my mind, but it was rather quick. ...

Do you agree with this? Because this sounds exactly like something I would say and something that you would bash.

The problem that exists is that corporatism is still right-wing fascism. That explains why our civil liberties and future prosperity are being eroded in the name of their "free market" and their endless Orwellian war.

Yet, neolibertarians oppose the kind of limits on corporatism that are designed to resist fascism. Why is that?

Taco John
12-22-2007, 05:07 PM
Do you agree with this? Because this sounds exactly like something I would say and something that you would bash.



You're an idiot. Of course I agree with it. Of course I know that you would agree with it. It's just that you're so ****ing stupid that you've made up your pea brain against him without appreciating any of his positions you damned moron.

and don't call me a neolibertarian again you worthless piece of shit. I've already educated you on what the term really means, not your empty made up definition.

banyon
12-22-2007, 05:15 PM
You're an idiot. Of course I agree with it. Of course I know that you would agree with it. It's just that you're so ****ing stupid that you've made up your pea brain against him without appreciating any of his positions you damned moron.

and don't call me a neolibertarian again you worthless piece of shit. I've already educated you on what the term really means, not your empty made up definition.


Way too harsh. I guess he got to you.

Pablo
12-22-2007, 05:44 PM
You're an idiot. Of course I agree with it. Of course I know that you would agree with it. It's just that you're so ****ing stupid that you've made up your pea brain against him without appreciating any of his positions you damned moron.

and don't call me a neolibertarian again you worthless piece of shit. I've already educated you on what the term really means, not your empty made up definition.
You're kind of a douche.

That's all.

Fishpicker
12-22-2007, 10:15 PM
You're an idiot. Of course I agree with it. Of course I know that you would agree with it. It's just that you're so ****ing stupid that you've made up your pea brain against him without appreciating any of his positions you damned moron.

and don't call me a neolibertarian again you worthless piece of shit. I've already educated you on what the term really means, not your empty made up definition.

I can empathize with you feeling misunderstood or misconstrued but this is over the line. PC didnt say anything that warranted this.

KILLER_CLOWN
12-23-2007, 12:05 AM
The sooner peeps realise the left/right paradigm is utter bs, the better off this country will be.

Baby Lee
12-23-2007, 07:44 AM
You're an idiot. Of course I agree with it. Of course I know that you would agree with it. It's just that you're so ****ing stupid that you've made up your pea brain against him without appreciating any of his positions you damned moron.

and don't call me a neolibertarian again you worthless piece of shit. I've already educated you on what the term really means, not your empty made up definition.
Winning hearts and minds. . . :thumb:

penchief
12-23-2007, 09:28 PM
you've made up your pea brain against him without appreciating any of his positions.

I think I've said repeatedly that I appreciate about half of his positions. It's just that the ones I disagree with are pretty fundamental when it comes to what it's going to take to recapture our country from the crooks.

Neolibertarian economic philosophy is not much different than Reagan/Bush economic philosophy, imo. And Reagan has already proven that "trickle down" economics is a hoax designed to consolidate wealth and power.