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Zouk
12-24-2007, 12:52 PM
I'm curious if people would be upset if the Chiefs drafted him in the 5-8 range (assume Long and Dorsey are off the board).

I look at him as the explosive touchdown / big-play maker that this team desperately needs. The team right now has no explosive open-field player who can take the ball all the way every time he touches it. Bowe, Gonzalez, LJ, and Kolby are all move-the-chain types - they're not explosive. Plus big plays on special teams determine so many close games, as the Bears showed last year. I think he's a much more polished receiver than Ted Ginn was last year, coming from Tedford's pro-style offense. And remember Herm's first draft pick as a head coach was Santana Moss, who won many games for him with big punt returns and catches.

eazyb81
12-24-2007, 12:53 PM
Yes, I'd be pissed. I don't think his talent warrants a selection that high.

88TG88
12-24-2007, 12:53 PM
That guy is so overrated. He folds like a lawn chair in big games. He also has a huge ego. If we drafted him before the 3rd round I would riot.

Zouk
12-24-2007, 12:57 PM
That guy is so overrated. He folds like a lawn chair in big games. He also has a huge ego. If we drafted him before the 3rd round I would riot.

He caught 11 balls for 161 yards against Oregon this year. He returned a punt for a score in the season opener against Tennessee.

Ultra Peanut
12-24-2007, 12:59 PM
would be upset if the Chiefs drafted him in the 5-8 range

http://i18.tinypic.com/6yz4jrb.jpg

Skip Towne
12-24-2007, 01:08 PM
Bob Dole said he is a dipshit.

88TG88
12-24-2007, 01:12 PM
He caught 11 balls for 161 yards against Oregon this year. He returned a punt for a score in the season opener against Tennessee.
I'd be fine with drafting him in the 3rd/4th rounds and have him return punts/kicks. I think he sees himself as a true No. 1 in the NFL, which he is definitely not.

Mecca
12-24-2007, 01:14 PM
He weighs about 175lbs......His NFL future is probably as a slot WR/return man.

HolmeZz
12-24-2007, 01:17 PM
He doesn't make sense for us.

snatch
12-24-2007, 01:23 PM
Besides... We will be drafting higher than 5.

Zouk
12-24-2007, 01:25 PM
He weighs about 175lbs......His NFL future is probably as a slot WR/return man.

No way, man. You don't put speed like that in the slot. You put guys like Welker, Chrebet, and Stokley in the slot - guys with good quickness to get open in a short area, but that do not have great long speed. Guys like Hester, Ginn, Steve Smith, Santana Moss - they all play on the outside.

At 6 foot tall, Jackson probably needs to get to 180-185 to be a top 10 pick (although Ginn went 9 at 178). His agents know that. I think he'll run sub 4.35 at over 180 in the spring.

But it's the explosive open field talent that I'm most interested in. That translates directly to the NFL in a very predictable way.

Mecca
12-24-2007, 01:26 PM
Steve Smith is short but have you seen him? He's built...DeSean Jackson doesn't have a build anything close to that...

I have a hard time seeing him as a big time starting WR at his size.

Zouk
12-24-2007, 01:35 PM
Steve Smith is short but have you seen him? He's built...DeSean Jackson doesn't have a build anything close to that...

I have a hard time seeing him as a big time starting WR at his size.

You're right - Santana Moss, Hester, and Ginn are much better comparisons for Jackson than Steve Smith who is slower but stronger.

If he's a Devin Hester who knows how to play offense, he's definitely worth the pick.

Mecca
12-24-2007, 01:35 PM
Considering Hester is good at special teams and basically nothing else, and Ginn kinda sucks..that's not a ringing endorsement.

DaKCMan AP
12-25-2007, 08:11 AM
Talented, explosive guy but I would not want the Chiefs to draft him this year, especially not in the top 10.

RedThat
12-25-2007, 01:16 PM
I watched Desean Jackson a little bit this year, and he is explosive.
He's got game. He has the quickness, and can dance around guys. He's got moves no doubt. I love his explosiveness in the open field. we don't have that on our team. I definately think he would help in the return game. But, I just don't view that as a number 1 priority on our team.
Yeah I would be a little disappointed if we drafted him in the 1st round because our receiving core is pretty solid. Don't get me wrong, I think the Chiefs could use a #2 WR, but Im not sold taking a WR with the 1st pick. If we take a WR the 2nd, or 3rd round pick then that'd be cool.

StcChief
12-25-2007, 01:24 PM
Oline first

RustShack
12-25-2007, 01:28 PM
I wouldn't be crushed if we brought him in, especially if Doresy and Ellis are gone. We can draft good Olineman in rounds 2-4.

88TG88
12-25-2007, 01:34 PM
Against USC, the best team in the Pac 10

2005 1 rec, 9 yards
2006 2 rec, 41 yards: 2 punt returns, 13 yards
2007 5 rec 64 yards: 1 punt return, 0 yards

ZERO Touchdowns

And we want to draft him in the first round ?

Mecca
12-25-2007, 01:35 PM
DeSean likes to run his mouth then not show up...This is a guy that didn't go to SC because they wouldn't give him #1...um Mike Williams was on the team at the time.

Zouk
12-25-2007, 01:54 PM
We need big plays. A team built around defense with an explosive change the field punt returner is a great combination:

See 2006 Bears with Devin Hester
See 2000 Ravens with Jermaine Lewis

Devin Hester had 4 punt returns for scores in college. DeSean Jackson has had 6, even though he's only done the job for a year and a half (he's only a junior and he's been hurt half this year. As a freshman, he only returned 1 punt - and it went for a touchdown). Plus as I said before he's a skilled receiver coming from a pro-style system.

Now we clearly don't have a defense like those others teams. So I'd be happy taking Sedrick Ellis as well. But I think Jackson should not be discounted. He's the guy I want if Dorsey, Ellis, and Long are all off the board.

xbarretx
12-25-2007, 01:57 PM
http://i18.tinypic.com/6yz4jrb.jpg

ROFL LMAO

"and then POP goes my heart" (yes i know that wasnt yes but that movie was still halarious"

the Talking Can
12-25-2007, 01:58 PM
top 10, no way

HonestChieffan
12-25-2007, 01:59 PM
I dont know who he is but if Herm likes him I think he is a dipshit.

LiL stumppy
12-25-2007, 02:11 PM
Absolutely not. If we don't draft a OL in the first round, I will not bother to watch any of the games next year until the next draft.

ChiefsCountry
12-25-2007, 03:19 PM
Jackson in most mocks has been going in the 20's. Major reach. He could slip into the second, which I wouldnt mind taking him then.

KevB
12-25-2007, 05:00 PM
I realize we all want to find a comparison for the college kids coming into the draft, but comparing Jackson to Hester is like comparing Brohm to Peyton Manning. Similar skill sets in college, but you're comparing him to an all-time NFL player. Not a fair comparison. People thought Ginn at the very least would be an elite returner, and he hasn't been despite his physical characteristics. I think Jackson is too big a reach that early. Give me a big athletic guy in the top 10.

Mecca
12-25-2007, 05:01 PM
Absolutely not. If we don't draft a OL in the first round, I will not bother to watch any of the games next year until the next draft.

Ah back again I see..

Still think they should have taken Joe Staley over Bowe?

dj56dt58
12-25-2007, 05:16 PM
Any chance Crabtree will come out?

LiL stumppy
12-25-2007, 05:16 PM
Ah back again I see..

Still think they should have taken Joe Staley over Bowe?

Our WR's were better than our OL, we wouldn't be in such a mess if we drafted a OL last year, and a WR in the second.

DaKCMan AP
12-25-2007, 05:24 PM
Any chance Crabtree will come out?

He's a freshman.

Mecca
12-25-2007, 05:32 PM
Our WR's were better than our OL, we wouldn't be in such a mess if we drafted a OL last year, and a WR in the second.

I'm glad you aren't a GM...

Zouk
12-25-2007, 06:07 PM
I realize we all want to find a comparison for the college kids coming into the draft, but comparing Jackson to Hester is like comparing Brohm to Peyton Manning. Similar skill sets in college, but you're comparing him to an all-time NFL player. Not a fair comparison.

I think it's a legitimate comparison in terms of both measurables and production.

He projects as Hester-like more predictably than Jake Long projects as Roaf-like in my opinion. You can see the athleticism, and he clearly has the vision and elusiveness of a dominant return man.

His projection as a receiver is much less predictable, but he would be a temendous asset on receiver screens, reverses, and fly patterns while he adapts to NFL offense and builds up his strength against the jam. As a complement to Gonzalez and Bowe, he would be deadly.

the Talking Can
12-25-2007, 06:34 PM
Our WR's were better than our OL, we wouldn't be in such a mess if we drafted a OL last year, and a WR in the second.

yes we would...the only difference is that we wouldn't have a true #1 WR...

man, can't believe anyone thinks drafting Bowe was a mistake...that was the best draft pick since Tony...

smittysbar
12-25-2007, 06:34 PM
Oline first

Best player available in the first

SCTrojan
12-25-2007, 08:25 PM
Other than highlights, I've only seen him play three times - all against USC. I've never seen anything in those games to warrant a top 10 pick.

DaKCMan AP
09-07-2008, 04:16 PM
That guy is so overrated. He folds like a lawn chair in big games. He also has a huge ego. If we drafted him before the 3rd round I would riot.

He weighs about 175lbs......His NFL future is probably as a slot WR/return man.

Steve Smith is short but have you seen him? He's built...DeSean Jackson doesn't have a build anything close to that...

I have a hard time seeing him as a big time starting WR at his size.

Considering Hester is good at special teams and basically nothing else, and Ginn kinda sucks..that's not a ringing endorsement.

DeSean likes to run his mouth then not show up...This is a guy that didn't go to SC because they wouldn't give him #1...um Mike Williams was on the team at the time.

Week 1: 6 receptions, 106yds, 8 punt returns for 96yds

Bowser
09-07-2008, 04:19 PM
Shit. He's a backup on two of my fantasy teams.

Guru
09-07-2008, 04:20 PM
sure glad I picked him up in two of my leagues.

TrickyNicky
09-07-2008, 04:20 PM
If we had taken him at 5, it would've been a huge mistake.

DaKCMan AP
09-07-2008, 04:23 PM
If we had taken him at 5, it would've been a huge mistake.

I don't disagree, but saying it'd be a mistake to take a guy like that unless it's after round 3 or saying he'll suck because he's not 6'2 210 is retarded. The guy is a player.

Mecca
09-07-2008, 04:26 PM
I said he was a good returner.......and hey it's 1 game against st louis of all teams.

Guru
09-07-2008, 04:27 PM
I said he was a good returner.......and hey it's 1 game against st louis of all teams.
Thats why he is on my practice squad and not starting. heh

Mecca
09-07-2008, 04:28 PM
I have to see how DeSean plays over the long haul I saw him a bunch in college and he always disappeared against SC.

DaKCMan AP
01-18-2009, 04:50 PM
That guy is so overrated. He folds like a lawn chair in big games. He also has a huge ego. If we drafted him before the 3rd round I would riot.

I'd be fine with drafting him in the 3rd/4th rounds and have him return punts/kicks. I think he sees himself as a true No. 1 in the NFL, which he is definitely not.

He weighs about 175lbs......His NFL future is probably as a slot WR/return man.

Steve Smith is short but have you seen him? He's built...DeSean Jackson doesn't have a build anything close to that...

I have a hard time seeing him as a big time starting WR at his size.

DeSean likes to run his mouth then not show up...This is a guy that didn't go to SC because they wouldn't give him #1...um Mike Williams was on the team at the time.


bump

ChiefsLV
01-18-2009, 05:03 PM
Mecca is right again. [/slurp [/Deberg_1990

bowener
01-18-2009, 05:09 PM
bump

LULZ!

REP this man.

MIAdragon
01-18-2009, 05:15 PM
Mecca is right again. [/slurp [/Deberg_1990

LMAO

Mr. Laz
01-18-2009, 05:25 PM
Mecca is right again. [/slurp [/Deberg_1990ROFLROFL

dj56dt58
01-18-2009, 06:12 PM
not worth the pick..makes some big plays but not worth a high first rounder

KCChiefsMan
01-18-2009, 06:24 PM
he's good, but he wouldn't have been worth taking him #5

DaKCMan AP
01-18-2009, 06:43 PM
he's good, but he wouldn't have been worth taking him #5

Definitely agree.. but those who said he shouldn't be taken prior to the 3rd round or that he would never amount to more than a #3 slot WR and PR were very wrong.

ChiefsCountry
01-18-2009, 07:26 PM
Jackson in most mocks has been going in the 20's. Major reach. He could slip into the second, which I wouldnt mind taking him then.

:)

Mecca
01-19-2009, 08:59 PM
It's been 1 season...where he routinely did very stupid things...yea he really shutup his critics eh?

EyePod
01-19-2009, 09:06 PM
I'm curious if people would be upset if the Chiefs drafted him in the 5-8 range (assume Long and Dorsey are off the board).

I look at him as the explosive touchdown / big-play maker that this team desperately needs. The team right now has no explosive open-field player who can take the ball all the way every time he touches it. Bowe, Gonzalez, LJ, and Kolby are all move-the-chain types - they're not explosive. Plus big plays on special teams determine so many close games, as the Bears showed last year. I think he's a much more polished receiver than Ted Ginn was last year, coming from Tedford's pro-style offense. And remember Herm's first draft pick as a head coach was Santana Moss, who won many games for him with big punt returns and catches.

Action Jackson has surpassed my expectations. I think he warranted the 2nd round pick. You have to remember, he's a complete idiot and a headcase. I don't want that shit around here.

DaKCMan AP
01-19-2009, 09:11 PM
It's been 1 season...where he routinely did very stupid things...yea he really shutup his critics eh?

His critics claimed he disappears in big games... that was false.

His critics claimed he would be nothing more than a slot WR/PR... that was false.

So yeah, he did.