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booger
12-27-2007, 02:41 PM
for those who can stomach it............


COACH HERM EDWARDS ON PETERLESS SHOW TONIGHT
Dec 27, 2007, 11:08:24 AM

Tune in at 7 PM on 101.1 the Fox


The final Carl Peterless Show of the season will have Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards as its guest Thursday night. This week’s hour long program, to be held at Applebee’s at 6069 Antioch Road in Gladstone, starts at 7 PM and is hosted by Bob Gretz, the sports director of KCFX-FM (101.1).

Peterless and Edwards will review the 2007 season and look ahead to 2008.

KCChiefsFan88
12-27-2007, 02:43 PM
Dictator Carl's secret police will be all over that Applebee's tonight.

Also is it wise to have Bob Gretz host a show from a food establishment? He might eat the entire restaurant.

Dartgod
12-27-2007, 02:45 PM
That would be awesome if Clark Hunt showed up as a surprise guest and fired them both.

Mecca
12-27-2007, 02:45 PM
Maybe Herm will take another pot shot at Carl, just for my amusement.

I also like how Carl makes sure no one can ask real questions.

Reerun_KC
12-27-2007, 02:48 PM
That would be awesome if Clark Hunt showed up as a surprise guest and fired them both.

Like Clark cares about the fans of the Chiefs? For that matter Clark wont do shit with the Chiefs unless he is moving them to LA, and by his involvement of the team and allowing Carl and Herm to totally shitbag the city and franchise. I wouldnt be surprised if this isnt the beginning of the end for the Chiefs in KC.

JohninGpt
12-27-2007, 02:48 PM
The final Carl Peterless Show of the season ...
Can't we make this read "The final Carl Peterless Show ever."

siberian khatru
12-27-2007, 02:48 PM
Carl: "Herm, helluva job this year under difficult circumstances."

Herm: "Right back at you, boss."

Carl: "But we've got a plan for next year, don't we?"

Herm: "Absolutely. I call it The Plan."

Mecca
12-27-2007, 02:49 PM
Like Clark cares about the fans of the Chiefs? For that matter Clark wont do shit with the Chiefs unless he is moving them to LA, and by his involvement of the team and allowing Carl and Herm to totally shitbag the city and franchise. I wouldnt be surprised if this isnt the beginning of the end for the Chiefs in KC.

Clark learned well from his dad about not taking action with the team.

Coogs
12-27-2007, 02:50 PM
Maybe Herm will take another pot shot at Carl, just for my amusement.

I also like how Carl makes sure no one can ask real questions.

Doesn't anybody ever lie anymore? :D

Tell CP you are going to throw a softball question in there, then when you get the mic.... ask them the tough questions.

Mecca
12-27-2007, 02:52 PM
Doesn't anybody ever lie anymore? :D

Tell CP you are going to throw a softball question in there, then when you get the mic.... ask them the tough questions.

I imagine doing that and getting tackled by guys who look like secret service agents.

Coogs
12-27-2007, 02:55 PM
I imagine doing that and getting tackled by guys who look like secret service agents.

CP hasn't hired anyone in a long time who can tackle worth a crap. Lie to him.... ask your question.... and take a chance. You will probably come out without a scratch. :)

Reerun_KC
12-27-2007, 02:56 PM
So Herm a couple of questions.

You have had 2 4-12 teams and one 9-7 team that lucked into the playoffs by an act of god in the last 3 years. You continuously make coaching blunders that would embarrass a High school coach..

What makes you think your plan will work in the NFL, your record is sub .500 and you get out coached weekely?


Why do you think you can build this team into a superbowl team?


Why is the Jets and the Chiefs decimated with talent when you are supposed to be a top quality talent scout and developer... I think it is a myth, can you clarify that for us?

booger
12-27-2007, 02:57 PM
Can't we make this read "The final Carl Peterless Show ever."

that would be awesome if it came true. Don't want to jinx any slight chance though.

Coogs
12-27-2007, 02:59 PM
So Herm a couple of questions.

You have had 2 4-12 teams and one 9-7 team that lucked into the playoffs by an act of god in the last 3 years. You continuously make coaching blunders that would embarrass a High school coach..

What makes you think your plan will work in the NFL, your record is sub .500 and you get out coached weekely?


Why do you think you can build this team into a superbowl team?


Why is the Jets and the Chiefs decimated with talent when you are supposed to be a top quality talent scout and developer... I think it is a myth, can you clarify that for us?

There you go! Tell CP ahead of time you are going to compliment him and Herm on an outstanding job... then grab the mic and throw these questions in there.

KCChiefsFan88
12-27-2007, 02:59 PM
Doesn't anybody ever lie anymore? :D

Tell CP you are going to throw a softball question in there, then when you get the mic.... ask them the tough questions.

I seriously would get on a plane right now and fly to KC to do that if I didn't have to be at work.

I know what would probably happen though. Moderator Bob Gretz would intercept the question, soften it up and re-address it to the Dictator and whoever asked the question would immediately be escorted out of the restaurant.

booger
12-27-2007, 03:04 PM
Ask him to comment on the rumors that Clayton Wendler is secretly the bastard child of Carl and Rosie O 'Donnell

Rain Man
12-27-2007, 03:30 PM
I'll bet that show is running on about a two-minute delay so they can filter out the tough questions and cursing and death threats.

My question for them would be, "You've talked in the past about wanting to slow down the offense, and congratulations on doing that. Do you think you've slowed down the offense enough yet, or do you think you need to slow them down more next year?"

CHENZ A!
12-27-2007, 03:45 PM
Whoever lives in Gladstone should attend wearing paper bags on their heads.

CHENZ A!
12-27-2007, 03:45 PM
That would be awesome if Clark Hunt showed up as a surprise guest and fired them both.

LMAO what is this the WWF?

BigChiefFan
12-27-2007, 03:47 PM
"Here's a caller on the phone, Carl, named Ray...Farmer." LOL.

stevieray
12-27-2007, 03:48 PM
questions come from callers, not audience members.

KCChiefsFan88
12-27-2007, 03:55 PM
questions come from callers, not audience members.

816-576-7739 is the phone # to call in I think.

BigChiefFan
12-27-2007, 03:59 PM
I might tune in just hear Carl's pathetic excuses.

StcChief
12-27-2007, 04:18 PM
Full report tomorrow of the no news answers.

Coogs
12-27-2007, 04:20 PM
questions come from callers, not audience members.

Then why not just do this from the radio station instead of Applebee's? Surely not because everyone is wanting to get out just to see those two jokers.

TEX
12-27-2007, 04:38 PM
F both of them.

Dylan
12-27-2007, 04:46 PM
Dictator Carl's secret police will be all over that Applebee's tonight.

ROFL


So Herm a couple of questions.

You have had 2 4-12 teams and one 9-7 team that lucked into the playoffs by an act of god in the last 3 years. You continuously make coaching blunders that would embarrass a High school coach..

What makes you think your plan will work in the NFL, your record is sub .500 and you get out coached weekely?


Why do you think you can build this team into a superbowl team?


Why is the Jets and the Chiefs decimated with talent when you are supposed to be a top quality talent scout and developer... I think it is a myth, can you clarify that for us?

ROFL

bobbything
12-27-2007, 04:52 PM
Bob, Carl, and Herm, all talking at the same time. I wonder if a black hole will form in the middle of NKC and suck the entire metro area into nothingness as a result of it all.

I'd prefer that chance not be taken.

Agent V
12-27-2007, 06:34 PM
Bob, Carl, and Herm, all talking at the same time. I wonder if a black hole will form in the middle of NKC and suck the entire metro area into nothingness as a result of it all.

I'd prefer that chance not be taken.
Don't be ridiculous. The only people whose IQ's could be affected will be those in attendance. Do not attend if you are pregnant or planning to become pregnant.

Skip Towne
12-27-2007, 06:53 PM
Question for Carl: Is this 8 game losing streak a Chiefs record? If not what is and do you intend to break it?

booger
12-27-2007, 06:57 PM
Ask him to comment on the rumors that Clayton Wendler is secretly the bastard child of Carl and Rosie O 'Donnell


Nobody else saw this on Conan O'brien's If they mated?

blueballs
12-27-2007, 06:57 PM
ANY 4-11 coach would be taken to the woodshed
and all 11-4 coaches have kinks in the armor
If Carl is using Herm as his Kevlar he may be regretful

FAX
12-27-2007, 07:01 PM
Carl introduces Herm as a guy he's known "too long".

Har de har.

FAX

blueballs
12-27-2007, 07:11 PM
Carl on last offseason
Priority #1 Tony G
#2 HUTARD
#3 LJ

FAX
12-27-2007, 07:13 PM
Carl says Gonzo will finish as a Chief.

That's good. I guess.

FAX

FAX
12-27-2007, 07:16 PM
Carl says he likes John Carney (sp?).

Pass the hooka.

FAX

elvomito
12-27-2007, 07:39 PM
Carl says he likes John Carney (sp?).

Pass the hooka.

FAXyeah, and that he give herm and himself lots of confidence.

FAX
12-27-2007, 07:43 PM
yeah, and that he give herm and himself lots of confidence.

How did you know that, Mr. elvomito? Weird. It's almost as if you heard it, too.

You know, Carl and Herm sound like best buddies. So much for the speculation that there was a rift between these two fine professionals.

FAX

stumppy
12-27-2007, 07:43 PM
Herm basically says he doesn't want Alan Faneca. Wants to go with younger guys.

FAX
12-27-2007, 07:45 PM
Carl saying JA will never, ever become an UFA. He won't have the opportunity. It's tag time.

FAX

bowener
12-27-2007, 07:46 PM
Herm basically says he doesn't want Alan Faneca. Wants to go with younger guys.

Double speak for, "we are gong to hire an over the hill cast off guard from somewhere else".

Mecca
12-27-2007, 07:46 PM
Herm basically says he doesn't want Alan Faneca. Wants to go with younger guys.

Good, that's at least one positive thing.

xbarretx
12-27-2007, 07:47 PM
Herm basically says he doesn't want Alan Faneca. Wants to go with younger guys.

what is he on the market? yeah we should draft our own OG

Edited to OG

Mecca
12-27-2007, 07:48 PM
what is he on the market? yeah we should draft our own OT

He's a guard...

FAX
12-27-2007, 07:49 PM
what is he on the market? yeah we should draft our own OT

They're basically banging the heck out of the draft drum. It's all about playing young players and building your team through the draft. So far as that goes, I like it.

FAX

stumppy
12-27-2007, 07:50 PM
what is he on the market? yeah we should draft our own OT

Not yet, but he will be.

xbarretx
12-27-2007, 07:50 PM
He's a guard...

whoops, my bad

regardless, hes still 31 and thats no way to get younger.

Zouk
12-27-2007, 07:50 PM
Double speak for, "we are gong to hire an over the hill cast off guard from somewhere else".

That's okay if you do that for little money to bide you over until the young guys are ready. What kills you is giving a 15 million dollar bonus to a guy that's over 30. That's a classic Carl move.

Mecca
12-27-2007, 07:52 PM
They're basically banging the heck out of the draft drum. It's all about playing young players and building your team through the draft. So far as that goes, I like it.

FAX

But the question is, do you trust the Chiefs to do that?

So far in Herms 2 years, he's 3/6 on first day picks and that's being nice about it.

stumppy
12-27-2007, 07:53 PM
LMAO

'Herm, why do you run the ball on 3rd and 18 ?'

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-27-2007, 07:56 PM
Like Clark cares about the fans of the Chiefs? For that matter Clark wont do shit with the Chiefs unless he is moving them to LA, and by his involvement of the team and allowing Carl and Herm to totally shitbag the city and franchise. I wouldnt be surprised if this isnt the beginning of the end for the Chiefs in KC.What? Didn't they just sign a lease extension when the remodel was funded?

xbarretx
12-27-2007, 07:56 PM
But the question is, do you trust the Chiefs to do that?

So far in Herms 2 years, he's 3/6 on first day picks and that's being nice about it.

well, maybe hes just pacing himself? ;)

FAX
12-27-2007, 07:57 PM
Wow. Big time support for Croyle.

Good to hear.

FAX

Zouk
12-27-2007, 07:58 PM
But the question is, do you trust the Chiefs to do that?

So far in Herms 2 years, he's 3/6 on first day picks and that's being nice about it.

You're way too quick to label these guys as busts. The list of guys who picked it up in their 2nd or 3rd year is very very long.

blueballs
12-27-2007, 07:58 PM
Rerun and a few others
are blinded by Herm Hate

Mecca
12-27-2007, 07:58 PM
Well he needs support you know like a crutch, otherwise he's bound to injure himself again.

elvomito
12-27-2007, 08:01 PM
LMAO

'Herm, why do you run the ball on 3rd and 18 ?'
some things i've learned
1. you need 500 runs per season to be a good football team, we've had 346
2. you're a balanced offense when you score over 20 pts.
3. there are no plays for 3rd & 18 in the playbook, thats why we run a draw. plus he doesn't want to risk gettin the qb killed

FAX
12-27-2007, 08:02 PM
But the question is, do you trust the Chiefs to do that?

So far in Herms 2 years, he's 3/6 on first day picks and that's being nice about it.

I share that concern, Mr. Mecca. I've been somewhat skeptical in respect to Herm's player evaluation skills for some time.

Basically, I think people have overestimated his abilities in that area - at least, so far. It may be that his draft picks will work out great, though. That's the trouble with playing young guys. It takes awhile to find out what you really have.

FAX

FAX
12-27-2007, 08:04 PM
some things i've learned
1. you need 500 runs per season to be a good football team, we've had 346
2. you're a balanced offense when you score over 20 pts.
3. there are no plays for 3rd & 18 in the playbook, thats why we run a draw. plus he doesn't want to risk gettin the qb killed

That number two thing is strange and silly, but the number three thing is completely ridiculous.

FAX

blueballs
12-27-2007, 08:05 PM
Bill K has been in charge the last two years
and has kicked ass
I'm just worried about his love of McFadden -Carl

Mecca
12-27-2007, 08:06 PM
You're way too quick to label these guys as busts. The list of guys who picked it up in their 2nd or 3rd year is very very long.

Bernard Pollard? Really you think he's gonna get a whole lot better?

CoMoChief
12-27-2007, 08:07 PM
some things i've learned
1. you need 500 runs per season to be a good football team, we've had 346
2. you're a balanced offense when you score over 20 pts.
3. there are no plays for 3rd & 18 in the playbook, thats why we run a draw. plus he doesn't want to risk gettin the qb killed

jesus christ.

lets just have a ****in monkey coach the team.

stumppy
12-27-2007, 08:10 PM
some things i've learned
1. you need 500 runs per season to be a good football team, we've had 346
2. you're a balanced offense when you score over 20 pts.
3. there are no plays for 3rd & 18 in the playbook, thats why we run a draw. plus he doesn't want to risk gettin the qb killed


I wanted to type his answers but I was to busy laughinhg / crying.

Zouk
12-27-2007, 08:11 PM
Bernard Pollard? Really you think he's gonna get a whole lot better?

I really do. As they discussed tonight on the show, he came out as a junior, played no D as a rookie, and then got thrown into the frying pan this year. The slow corners didn't exactly help him either. And his errors are so glaring because of the nature of the safety position.

I wouldn't mind seeing Terrell Thomas lined up next to him next year.

ChiefaRoo
12-27-2007, 08:22 PM
So there were no tough questions? None of you hardasses called in? WTF?

MahiMike
12-27-2007, 08:24 PM
Hopefully they try the new arsenic sampler platter...

the Talking Can
12-27-2007, 08:24 PM
some things i've learned
1. you need 500 runs per season to be a good football team, we've had 346
2. you're a balanced offense when you score over 20 pts.
3. there are no plays for 3rd & 18 in the playbook, thats why we run a draw. plus he doesn't want to risk gettin the qb killed

wait, are these real answers?

elvomito
12-27-2007, 08:30 PM
wait, are these real answers?i wouldn't call them "real" or "answers" but they did waft from herm's mouth

Count Alex's Losses
12-27-2007, 08:32 PM
There is nothing wrong with running 500 times in one season. Recent teams that ran the ball 500 times in one year:

2006 Chargers (14-2)
2006 Bears (Super Bowl)
2005 Steelers (Super Bowl)
2005 Chiefs (#1 offense)
2005 Seahawks (Super Bowl)
2004 Patriots (Super Bowl)

Tribal Warfare
12-27-2007, 08:32 PM
jesus christ.

lets just have a ****in monkey coach the team.


A monkey would allow the QB to audible unlike Herm.

stumppy
12-27-2007, 08:32 PM
wait, are these real answers?

I got distracted while he was responding to the question so I didn't hear everything he said but #3 was definately part of the response he gave.
"There's no play for 3rd and 18 and he didn't want to get the QB hurt."

ChiefaRoo
12-27-2007, 08:34 PM
Seriously, didn't anybody who called in tattoo the shite out of those two douches or was there a delay?

FAX
12-27-2007, 08:42 PM
This reminds me of that time a midget salesman came to my house peddling subscriptions to magazines like Popular Mechanics, American Heritage, and Omni and he was so persistent, I was forced to threaten to call the police and have him escorted off my property and he said that the jail hasn't been built that can hold a midget because they can escape through the bars or by using the HVAC ducts or by hiding in a laundry cart. Little bastard.

FAX

FAX
12-27-2007, 08:45 PM
There is nothing wrong with running 500 times in one season. Recent teams that ran the ball 500 times in one year:

2006 Chargers (14-2)
2006 Bears (Super Bowl)
2005 Steelers (Super Bowl)
2005 Chiefs (#1 offense)
2005 Seahawks (Super Bowl)
2004 Patriots (Super Bowl)

I don't mind the 500 run thing. But, I think you should intersperse them with other plays. You know, not do them all in a row.

FAX

Skip Towne
12-27-2007, 08:48 PM
This reminds me of that time a midget salesman came to my house peddling subscriptions to magazines like Popular Mechanics, American Heritage, and Omni and he was so persistent, I was forced to threaten to call the police and have him escorted off my property and he said that the jail hasn't been built that can hold a midget because they can escape through the bars or by using the HVAC ducts or by hiding in a laundry cart. Little bastard.

FAX
The midget could also get another inmate to throw him over the fence. Just thought I'd point that out.

elvomito
12-27-2007, 08:52 PM
I got distracted while he was responding to the question so I didn't hear everything he said but #3 was definately part of the response he gave.
"There's no play for 3rd and 18 and he didn't want to get the QB hurt."also, he said they didn't even practice a 3rd & 18 situation. you'd think that would come up from time to time

old_geezer
12-27-2007, 08:56 PM
also, he said they didn't even practice a 3rd & 18 situation. you'd think that would come up from time to time

Do they have a pass route in their playbook that calls for a receiver to go farther than 18 yards past the line of scrimmage? He might think about calling that play................effing moron.

Tribal Warfare
12-27-2007, 09:07 PM
also, he said they didn't even practice a 3rd & 18 situation. you'd think that would come up from time to time


so if a situation like a holding call occurs, (3rd and 20)the offense should just shit themselves and hope the defense doesn't know the brown streaks are running down their legs.

FAX
12-27-2007, 09:29 PM
After thinking about it, I kind of admire this philosophy, in a way. It's like saying to the offense, "Don't get yourselves in a third and long situation because we don't have a play for it."

Now, if Herm would communicate that concept to the OC, we might have something here.

FAX

Skip Towne
12-27-2007, 09:31 PM
Do they have a pass route in their playbook that calls for a receiver to go farther than 18 yards past the line of scrimmage? He might think about calling that play................effing moron.
One definition of intelligence is the abiliy to adapt to your environment. I think Herm has a low IQ as he was taught a system which has become obsolete. And he doesn't have the ability to adapt. Well, that and his total ignorance of the English language. Plus his inability to handle the internet. I'll bet the ball boys are smarter than Herm.

ChiefaRoo
12-27-2007, 09:33 PM
This is all very flustrating.

Count Alex's Losses
12-27-2007, 09:35 PM
Plus his inability to handle the internet.

So says the WebTV man.

Skip Towne
12-27-2007, 09:37 PM
So says the WebTV man.
It's the internet. Herm can't do it. Dipshit

dirk digler
12-27-2007, 09:42 PM
Bill K has been in charge the last two years
and has kicked ass
I'm just worried about his love of McFadden -Carl

****.. if Carl goes we are stuck we Kuharich

Rain Man
12-27-2007, 09:43 PM
some things i've learned
1. you need 500 runs per season to be a good football team, we've had 346
2. you're a balanced offense when you score over 20 pts.
3. there are no plays for 3rd & 18 in the playbook, thats why we run a draw. plus he doesn't want to risk gettin the qb killed


If we run 154 times against the Jets, maybe we can still make the playoffs.

acesn8s
12-27-2007, 09:48 PM
If we run 154 times against the Jets, maybe we can still make the playoffs.At least the clock would keep running and this pitiful season would be over.

MadMax
12-27-2007, 10:08 PM
One definition of intelligence is the abiliy to adapt to your environment. I think Herm has a low IQ as he was taught a system which has become obsolete. And he doesn't have the ability to adapt. Well, that and his total ignorance of the English language. Plus his inability to handle the internet. I'll bet the ball boys are smarter than Herm.

Cease and desist nien interbutts! I know nothingk! The guy is like SGT. Schultz on Hogans heroes... ROFL

KCChiefsFan88
12-27-2007, 10:13 PM
some things i've learned
1. you need 500 runs per season to be a good football team, we've had 346
2. you're a balanced offense when you score over 20 pts.
3. there are no plays for 3rd & 18 in the playbook, thats why we run a draw. plus he doesn't want to risk gettin the qb killed

Is Herm aware of what is going in New England this season? The Patriots have 425 rushing attempts, compared to 544 pass attempts on the season, yet are on the verge of setting the single season points total record and are knocking on the door of 16-0. Some of the other top teams in the NFL and their rushing attempt totals for the season (Dallas: 403 rush attemps, 504 pass attempts; Indy 436 rush attempts, 511 pass attempts; Green Bay 350 rush attempts, 552 pass attempts).

And you don't need a balanced offense to score 20+, look at the Patriots who are a pass first team. Same goes for Indy, Green Bay and Dallas.

Herm's way of thinking is stuck back in the stone age of football which is why the Chiefs will never see anything close to a championship-caliber team under his reign of terror

BigChiefFan
12-27-2007, 10:20 PM
Is Herm aware of what is going in New England this season? The Patriots have 425 rushing attempts, compared to 544 pass attempts on the season, yet are on the verage of setting the single season points total record and are knocking on the door of 16-0. Some of the other top teams in the NFL and their rushing attempt totals for the season (Dallas: 403 rush attemps, 504 pass attempts; Indy 436 rush attempts, 511 pass attempts; Green Bay 350 rush attempts, 552 pass attempts).

And you don't need a balanced offense to score 20+, look at the Patriots who are a pass first team. Same goes for Indy, Green Bay and Dallas.

Herm's way of thinking is stuck back in the stone age of football which is why the Chiefs will never see anything close to a championship-caliber team under his reign of terror
Very good post. The mindset should be it's the offenses job to score points on EVERY drive. The defenses job is to STOP the opposing team from scoring on EVERY drive. If this what we have to look forward to in 2008-I'll spend my time elsewhere. High School coaches are more adapt at football 101 than Verman Edwards. Have fun filling the stadium next year, Carl, your going to need it.

mikey23545
12-27-2007, 10:28 PM
God, you ****ers are hilarious... ROFL

A bunch of pot-bellied, pot-smoking former high school football players and ballboys going on about how much more football acumen you have than guys working in the NFL...As much as it may pain you, Edwards and Peterson have forgotten more football than all of you combined will ever know.

MadMax
12-27-2007, 10:29 PM
Is Herm aware of what is going in New England this season? The Patriots have 425 rushing attempts, compared to 544 pass attempts on the season, yet are on the verage of setting the single season points total record and are knocking on the door of 16-0. Some of the other top teams in the NFL and their rushing attempt totals for the season (Dallas: 403 rush attemps, 504 pass attempts; Indy 436 rush attempts, 511 pass attempts; Green Bay 350 rush attempts, 552 pass attempts).

And you don't need a balanced offense to score 20+, look at the Patriots who are a pass first team. Same goes for Indy, Green Bay and Dallas.

Herm's way of thinking is stuck back in the stone age of football which is why the Chiefs will never see anything close to a championship-caliber team under his reign of terror


I'm still dumbfounded by the playcalling when Croyle is the QB it's run run then 3rd and long they WR screen or dump pass. Or it's dump pass dump pass wr screen. Then when Huard is in it's OMG throw the ball downfield? WTF is that? Here's to looking forward to many changes next year and I so hope in the right direction, IE bye bye Solari curl herm Carl and whoever our sorry assed special teams coach is... I know it's a pipe dream but WTH I feel like dreaming

FAX
12-27-2007, 10:30 PM
God, you ****ers are hilarious... ROFL

A bunch of pot-bellied, pot-smoking former high school football players and ballboys going on about how much more football acumen you have than guys working in the NFL...As much as it may pain you, Edwards and Peterson have forgotten more football than all of you combined will ever know.

Now if they can just forget what franchise they work for.

FAX

MadMax
12-27-2007, 10:38 PM
God, you ****ers are hilarious... ROFL

A bunch of pot-bellied, pot-smoking former high school football players and ballboys going on about how much more football acumen you have than guys working in the NFL...As much as it may pain you, Edwards and Peterson have forgotten more football than all of you combined will ever know.



ROFL Imma semi-pro Monday morning QB don't question my credentials again. :) May I have your permission to vent?

booger
12-27-2007, 10:42 PM
from pft....Kuharich


FALCONS SNIFFING AROUND SHANAHAN?

A league source tells us that the Atlanta Falcons are exploring the possibility of pursuing Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan.

As the rumor/scuttlebutt goes, Shanahan would run the show in Atlanta, as the head coach and de facto G.M.

Though he's still under contract with the Broncos, the thinking is that owner Pat Bowlen might be happy to let him leave, given the struggles of the team in 2007.

Another name that has emerged in Atlanta is Chiefs V.P. of player personnel Bill Kuharich. It's possible that both Shanahan and Kuharich could join the Falcons, with Kuharich serving as the G.M. but Shanahan calling the shots.

mikey23545
12-27-2007, 10:43 PM
Now if they can just forget what franchise they work for.

FAX

I'd settle for some of you idiots forgetting what football BB you post on....

acesn8s
12-27-2007, 10:44 PM
from pft....Kuharich


FALCONS SNIFFING AROUND SHANAHAN?

A league source tells us that the Atlanta Falcons are exploring the possibility of pursuing Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan.

As the rumor/scuttlebutt goes, Shanahan would run the show in Atlanta, as the head coach and de facto G.M.

Though he's still under contract with the Broncos, the thinking is that owner Pat Bowlen might be happy to let him leave, given the struggles of the team in 2007.

Another name that has emerged in Atlanta is Chiefs V.P. of player personnel Bill Kuharich. It's possible that both Shanahan and Kuharich could join the Falcons, with Kuharich serving as the G.M. but Shanahan calling the shots.They can have Carl.

mikey23545
12-27-2007, 10:44 PM
from pft....Kuharich


FALCONS SNIFFING AROUND SHANAHAN?

A league source tells us that the Atlanta Falcons are exploring the possibility of pursuing Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan.

As the rumor/scuttlebutt goes, Shanahan would run the show in Atlanta, as the head coach and de facto G.M.

Though he's still under contract with the Broncos, the thinking is that owner Pat Bowlen might be happy to let him leave, given the struggles of the team in 2007.

Another name that has emerged in Atlanta is Chiefs V.P. of player personnel Bill Kuharich. It's possible that both Shanahan and Kuharich could join the Falcons, with Kuharich serving as the G.M.<b> but Shanahan calling the shots.</b>

I guess Kuharich would feel at home...

Skip Towne
12-27-2007, 10:50 PM
I'd settle for some of you idiots forgetting what football BB you post on....
We're sorry. We all wish we were as smart as Mikey.

Baconeater
12-27-2007, 10:53 PM
God, you ****ers are hilarious... ROFL

A bunch of pot-bellied, pot-smoking former high school football players and ballboys going on about how much more football acumen you have than guys working in the NFL...As much as it may pain you, Edwards and Peterson have forgotten more football than all of you combined will ever know.
And so has Bill Callahan. You want him coaching the Chiefs?

MadMax
12-27-2007, 10:54 PM
I'd settle for some of you idiots forgetting what football BB you post on....


Not all of us "idiots' can be like you Meester Mikey... You way too cool for us morons that have had our heart broken by this ****in team for almost 40 years... But have comfort in the fact that you are da man. ;)

Mecca
12-27-2007, 10:55 PM
Mikey doesn't like anyone, it's quite funny. I guess he is the end all be all of fans.

Skip Towne
12-27-2007, 10:58 PM
Mikey doesn't like anyone, it's quite funny. I guess he is the end all be all of fans.
Yep. Two things I have noticed about Mikey: He doesn't know shit about football and he only comes here to criticize. Oh, yeah, and he isn't very smart.

SBK
12-27-2007, 11:03 PM
Yep. Two things I have noticed about Mikey: He doesn't know shit about football and he only comes here to criticize. Oh, yeah, and he isn't very smart.

Then he should fit right in!!!

Calcountry
12-27-2007, 11:13 PM
One definition of intelligence is the abiliy to adapt to your environment. I think Herm has a low IQ as he was taught a system which has become obsolete. And he doesn't have the ability to adapt. Well, that and his total ignorance of the English language. Plus his inability to handle the internet. I'll bet the ball boys are smarters than Herm.Just as long as you are smarter than him. That is what is praying on your mind.

Calcountry
12-27-2007, 11:19 PM
[QUOTE=elvomito]some things i've learned
1. you need 500 runs per season to be a good football team,

No Herm, that would be baseball, we need 500 POINTS per season to be a good FOOTBALL team.

Calcountry
12-27-2007, 11:23 PM
God, you ****ers are hilarious... ROFL

A bunch of pot-bellied, pot-smoking former high school football players and ballboys going on about how much more football acumen you have than guys working in the NFL...As much as it may pain you, Edwards and Peterson have forgotten more football than all of you combined will ever know.Yes indeed. They have forgotten how to win.

FAX
12-27-2007, 11:25 PM
Your insightful post on intelligence has fostered a thought in my mind, Mr. Skip Towne. You may very well be on to something here.

Take the pumpkin. When a pumpkin is growing on the vine, it starts out as a little, bitty pumpkinette. Then, if there's plenty of water and soil nutrients, that pumpkin will grow and grow all season long.

But, when that pumpkin encounters a large stone in its growth zone, that pumpkin will grow right around the stone causing the adult pumpkin to have a weird shape. We call these weird looking pumpkins. But, the moral of the story is that the pumpkin makes the most of the environment and circumstances allotted to it. In other words, the pumpkin adapts.

Therefore, if a pumpkin can adapt and Herm cannot adapt, it stands to reason that Herm is dumber than a pumpkin. This is not good for us.

FAX

doomy3
12-27-2007, 11:29 PM
Is Herm aware of what is going in New England this season? The Patriots have 425 rushing attempts, compared to 544 pass attempts on the season, yet are on the verge of setting the single season points total record and are knocking on the door of 16-0. Some of the other top teams in the NFL and their rushing attempt totals for the season (Dallas: 403 rush attemps, 504 pass attempts; Indy 436 rush attempts, 511 pass attempts; Green Bay 350 rush attempts, 552 pass attempts).

And you don't need a balanced offense to score 20+, look at the Patriots who are a pass first team. Same goes for Indy, Green Bay and Dallas.

Herm's way of thinking is stuck back in the stone age of football which is why the Chiefs will never see anything close to a championship-caliber team under his reign of terror


What's your point? Those guys have better players running the plays? You do realize we have thrown the ball 520 times, right? That is more than Indy and Dallas, and only a few less than New England or Green Bay. Actually, if you look at it as a percent of overall passing attempts vs. overall offensive plays, we actually throw on a higher percent than all the other teams listed.

So, God forbid, maybe Herm is right and we need to be running the ball more than we have this year.

MadMax
12-27-2007, 11:32 PM
What's your point? Those guys have better players running the plays? You do realize we have thrown the ball 520 times, right? That is more than Indy and Dallas, and only a few less than New England or Green Bay. Actually, if you look at it as a percent of overall passing attempts vs. overall offensive plays, we actually throw on a higher percent than all the other teams listed.

So, God forbid, maybe Herm is right and we need to be running the ball more than we have this year.


And you realize who threw the ball 80% of the season right?

doomy3
12-27-2007, 11:33 PM
And you realize who threw the ball 80% of the season right?


What's your point?

MadMax
12-27-2007, 11:34 PM
What's your point?

ROFL didnt know I needed one :p Im always forgetting something. I'm being argumentative don't be an ass

FAX
12-27-2007, 11:38 PM
What's your point? Those guys have better players running the plays? You do realize we have thrown the ball 520 times, right? That is more than Indy and Dallas, and only a few less than New England or Green Bay. Actually, if you look at it as a percent of overall passing attempts vs. overall offensive plays, we actually throw on a higher percent than all the other teams listed.

So, God forbid, maybe Herm is right and we need to be running the ball more than we have this year.

Good point, Mr. doomy3.

Clearly, our run/pass ratio is out of whack because we've been behind in most of our games and playing catch up. From that standpoint, it would be nice to run the ball because it might indicate that we are putting drives together or maybe even scoring occasionally.

Perhaps the reason it "feels like" we've run more than we actually have is due to the playcalling. Solari often calls a predictable run when a pass might make more sense in terms of fooling the enemy. We've done that a lot - particularly early in the season and early in games. And, of course, that's when everybody stands up, throws something at the tv, and yells, "Throw the friggin' ball once in a while!!!"

FAX

MadMax
12-27-2007, 11:40 PM
Good point, Mr. doomy3.

Clearly, our run/pass ratio is out of whack because we've been behind in most of our games and playing catch up. From that standpoint, it would be nice to run the ball because it might indicate that we are putting drives together or maybe even scoring occasionally.

Perhaps the reason it "feels like" we've run more than we actually have is due to the playcalling. Solari often calls a predictable run when a pass might make more sense in terms of fooling the enemy. We've done that a lot - particularly early in the season and early in games. And, of course, that's when everybody stands up, throws something at the tv, and yells, "Throw the friggin' ball once in a while!!!"

FAX


Bah it's all the WR screens and dump passes that totally skew the stats.
all passes behind the LOS and 1 yarders.

doomy3
12-27-2007, 11:42 PM
ROFL didnt know I needed one :p Im always forgetting something. I'm being argumentative don't be an ass


It's OK.

If your point was that Huard has thrown the ball 332 times vs. Brodie's 181 times, you would be correct. BUT, 70 of Huard's throws came in 2 games that Croyle couldn't play in because he was hurt of course, and those throws would have gone to Brodie. Take those 70 throws away from Huard and give them to Croyle and it would look like this for a spread:

Huard: 262
Croyle: 251

Pretty even.

"Bob" Dobbs
12-27-2007, 11:45 PM
I don't mind the 500 run thing. But, I think you should intersperse them with other plays. You know, not do them all in a row.

FAXTo be fair, about 1 out of every 4 plays, they mixed in a punt.

BigMeatballDave
12-27-2007, 11:45 PM
Wow. Big time support for Croyle.

Good to hear.

FAXI like Croyle, too. But don't pat him on the back so much, you may seperate his shoulder...

FAX
12-27-2007, 11:47 PM
Bah it's all the WR screens and dump passes that totally skew the stats.
all passes behind the LOS and 1 yarders.

What's your point?

FAX

FAX
12-27-2007, 11:48 PM
I like Croyle, too. But don't pat him on the back so much, you may seperate his shoulder...

They're probably lying anyhow. You know, trying to send a message to Pennington's agent.

FAX

MadMax
12-27-2007, 11:50 PM
It's OK.

If your point was that Huard has thrown the ball 332 times vs. Brodie's 181 times, you would be correct. BUT, 70 of Huard's throws came in 2 games that Croyle couldn't play in because he was hurt of course, and those throws would have gone to Brodie. Take those 70 throws away from Huard and give them to Croyle and it would look like this for a spread:

Huard: 262
Croyle: 251

Pretty even.

I can't argue that, my only problem is with the selection of the types of pass plays Croyle vs Huard... But it's moot anyways . Bring on the off season I really am tired of bitching..:)

doomy3
12-27-2007, 11:50 PM
Bah it's all the WR screens and dump passes that totally skew the stats.
all passes behind the LOS and 1 yarders.



Colts: 56 receptions to backs.

Pats: 56 receptions to backs.

Packers: 64 receptions to backs.

Cowboys: 68 receptions to backs.

Chiefs: 60 receptions to backs.

BigMeatballDave
12-27-2007, 11:51 PM
some things i've learned
1. you need 500 runs per season to be a good football team, we've had 346
2. you're a balanced offense when you score over 20 pts.
3. there are no plays for 3rd & 18 in the playbook, thats why we run a draw. plus he doesn't want to risk gettin the qb killedWhat a fuggin retard. NE has 425 total running plays. I think they are pretty good. No play for 3rd and 18. OMG, how does this dipshit walk and breathe at the same time?

FAX
12-27-2007, 11:52 PM
It's OK.

If your point was that Huard has thrown the ball 332 times vs. Brodie's 181 times, you would be correct. BUT, 70 of Huard's throws came in 2 games that Croyle couldn't play in because he was hurt of course, and those throws would have gone to Brodie. Take those 70 throws away from Huard and give them to Croyle and it would look like this for a spread:

Huard: 262
Croyle: 251

Pretty even.

Add the runs to that and it really doesn't seem to be a lot of plays over a full season. I wonder how we stack up league-wide on number of offensive plays from scrimmage.

FAX

acesn8s
12-27-2007, 11:52 PM
What's your point? Those guys have better players running the plays? You do realize we have thrown the ball 520 times, right? That is more than Indy and Dallas, and only a few less than New England or Green Bay. Actually, if you look at it as a percent of overall passing attempts vs. overall offensive plays, we actually throw on a higher percent than all the other teams listed.

So, God forbid, maybe Herm is right and we need to be running the ball more than we have this year.Maybe we feel like the Chiefs run the ball more than they have because of the pass plays called. How many passes have been thrown behind the line of scimmage(screens, quick outs, etc.)? These types of plays are just mere extensions of the run. Compare those numbers to those passes of ten or more yards(when the receiver catches the ball ten or more yards downfield from the line of scrimmage). It is my belief that there have not been enough passes downfield.

BigMeatballDave
12-27-2007, 11:55 PM
God, you ****ers are hilarious... ROFL

A bunch of pot-bellied, pot-smoking former high school football players and ballboys going on about how much more football acumen you have than guys working in the NFL...As much as it may pain you, Edwards and Peterson have forgotten more football than all of you combined will ever know.How nice. Showing your Carl and Herm man-love...

FAX
12-27-2007, 11:56 PM
Maybe we feel like the Chiefs run the ball more than they have because of the pass plays called. How many passes have been thrown behind the line of scimmage(screens, quick outs, etc.)? These types of plays are just mere extensions of the run. Compare those numbers to those passes of ten or more yards(when the receiver catches the ball ten or more yards downfield from the line of scrimmage). It is my belief that there have not been enough passes downfield.

I have no idea of the actual statistics, but I'd venture a guess that the vast majority of our passes that accounted for over 10 yards were mainly due to YAC.

You guys are right. In a way, the run/pass ratio is essentially meaningless because so many of our "passes" are practically laterals.

FAX

doomy3
12-27-2007, 11:56 PM
Maybe we feel like the Chiefs run the ball more than they have because of the pass plays called. How many passes have been thrown behind the line of scimmage(screens, quick outs, etc.)? These types of plays are just mere extensions of the run. Compare those numbers to those passes of ten or more yards(when the receiver catches the ball ten or more yards downfield from the line of scrimmage). It is my belief that there have not been enough passes downfield.


Well, I don't know of a way to track that, but I did just post on the previous page how we shape up as far as throwing the ball to our RBs against the teams mentioned in this thread who are notorious for throwing the ball downfield. That is a decent barometer of those dump passes. Plus, there is no way to know how far downfield our QB was going to throw the ball downfield when they were flattened into the ground for another sack.

FAX
12-27-2007, 11:57 PM
... Plus, there is no way to know how far downfield our QB was going to throw the ball downfield when they were flattened into the ground for another sack.

Those ones were all going deep, Mr. doomy3.

That'll teach Herm to open it up.

FAX

doomy3
12-27-2007, 11:59 PM
Well, our WR's YPC looks like this:

Bowe 14.2------69 receptions
TG 12.0-----98 receptions
Webb 11.0-----24 receptions
Parker 12.5------22 receptions
Kennison 7.8------13 receptions

Those aren't really "dumpoffs"

MadMax
12-27-2007, 11:59 PM
How nice. Showing your Carl and Herm man-love...


Hey He has forgotten more " man love " than you will EVER see

FAX
12-28-2007, 12:00 AM
Well, our WR's YPC looks like this:

Bowe 14.2------69 receptions
TG 12.0-----98 receptions
Webb 11.0-----24 receptions
Parker 12.5------22 receptions
Kennison 7.8------13 receptions

Those aren't really "dumpoffs"

How much of that was YAC, I wonderize?

FAX

acesn8s
12-28-2007, 12:00 AM
Those ones were all going deep, Mr. doomy3.

That'll teach Herm to open it up.

FAXIt's a good thing Herm kept the offense the same after DV left.:banghead:

MadMax
12-28-2007, 12:00 AM
Well, our WR's YPC looks like this:

Bowe 14.2------69 receptions
TG 12.0-----98 receptions
Webb 11.0-----24 receptions
Parker 12.5------22 receptions
Kennison 7.8------13 receptions

Those aren't really "dumpoffs"


They call it YAC I think?

doomy3
12-28-2007, 12:01 AM
Well, our WR's YPC looks like this:

Bowe 14.2------69 receptions
TG 12.0-----98 receptions
Webb 11.0-----24 receptions
Parker 12.5------22 receptions
Kennison 7.8------13 receptions

Those aren't really "dumpoffs"


That accounts for 226 out of 315 completions

The rest are to TEs and backs I believe

MadMax
12-28-2007, 12:01 AM
Well, our WR's YPC looks like this:

Bowe 14.2------69 receptions
TG 12.0-----98 receptions
Webb 11.0-----24 receptions
Parker 12.5------22 receptions
Kennison 7.8------13 receptions

Those aren't really "dumpoffs"


Not trying to be an ass but do you watch the same games I do????

FAX
12-28-2007, 12:02 AM
Mr. doomy3 is talking about Yards Per Catch, I think, Mr. MadMax.

What I wonderate is how much of that is Yards After Catch. It sure doesn't seem to me that we're airing it out.

FAX

doomy3
12-28-2007, 12:03 AM
They call it YAC I think?


Do those not count as total yards gained? What's the difference really, if we are gaining yards? And you're right. TG and Bowe are both going to go for over 1,000 yards, based only on YAC.

acesn8s
12-28-2007, 12:04 AM
Not trying to be an ass but do you watch the same games I do????No, I have been watching the 2007 season. My name is acesn8s and I am a Chiefaholic.

doomy3
12-28-2007, 12:05 AM
Not trying to be an ass but do you watch the same games I do????


I'm just posting stats, ass.

Not sure how you argue with them, but hey, you watch the games.

acesn8s
12-28-2007, 12:06 AM
Well, our WR's YPC looks like this:

Bowe 14.2------69 receptions
TG 12.0-----98 receptions
Webb 11.0-----24 receptions
Parker 12.5------22 receptions
Kennison 7.8------13 receptions

Those aren't really "dumpoffs"How many of these stats are from our wins...7 games ago?

acesn8s
12-28-2007, 12:07 AM
How many of these stats are from our wins...7 games ago?and what are the stats during our losing streak?

MadMax
12-28-2007, 12:07 AM
Mr. doomy3 is talking about Yards Per Catch, I think, Mr. MadMax.

What I wonderate is how much of that is Yards After Catch. It sure doesn't seem to me that we're airing it out.

FAX


Exactly, 1 yard pud passes and pray the reciever makes positive yards..That is what we have seen all frakin year, with the occasional 3rd and long pass downfield..( when the dbs are chompin at the bit )

MadMax
12-28-2007, 12:08 AM
I'm just posting stats, ass.

Not sure how you argue with them, but hey, you watch the games.


Oh Piss off dumbass I'm tired of being nice

FAX
12-28-2007, 12:12 AM
Do those not count as total yards gained? What's the difference really, if we are gaining yards? And you're right. TG and Bowe are both going to go for over 1,000 yards, based only on YAC.

You have a point there, Mr. doomy3, that's for sure. Yards is yards. And, if it works, it works.

There are good reasons why an offense would want to throw deep, though. This started as a discussion of the run/pass ratio and the difference between YAC and YPC interests me because a 1 yard pass to the RB is, essentially, the same thing as a run from the standpoint of challenging a defense.

FAX

Mr. Flopnuts
12-28-2007, 12:13 AM
I like Croyle, too. But don't pat him on the back so much, you may seperate his shoulder...


LMAO Hilarious!!!

doomy3
12-28-2007, 12:15 AM
and what are the stats during our losing streak?


Well, I'm not going to go back and add it all up. You're more than welcome to though.

I do know that we ran the ball more when we were winning at the beginning of the year. In our losing streak, we have definitely been throwing more, which is what most on this board wanted.

MadMax
12-28-2007, 12:15 AM
You have a point there, Mr. doomy3, that's for sure. Yards is yards. And, if it works, it works.

There are good reasons why an offense would want to throw deep, though. This started as a discussion of the run/pass ratio and the difference between YAC and YPC interests me because a 1 yard pass to the RB is, essentially, the same thing as a run from the standpoint of challenging a defense.

FAX


Does it not depend on the game situation in which the yards become?

FAX
12-28-2007, 12:16 AM
Well, I'm not going to go back and add it all up. You're more than welcome to though.

I do know that we ran the ball more when we were winning at the beginning of the year. In our losing streak, we have definitely been throwing more, which is what most on this board wanted.

Chicken and egg, though. Right?

I mean, are we passing more because we're losing? Or are we losing more because we're passing?

FAX

FAX
12-28-2007, 12:17 AM
Does it not depend on the game situation in which the yards become?

I suppose. Can you think of a specific game situation in which a 1 yard pass to the RB is better than a rush?

FAX

mikey23545
12-28-2007, 12:17 AM
How nice. Showing your Carl and Herm man-love...

No, showing my contempt for some of you retards...I can understand with your limited mentality it's hard to differentiate the two....

doomy3
12-28-2007, 12:18 AM
You have a point there, Mr. doomy3, that's for sure. Yards is yards. And, if it works, it works.

There are good reasons why an offense would want to throw deep, though. This started as a discussion of the run/pass ratio and the difference between YAC and YPC interests me because a 1 yard pass to the RB is, essentially, the same thing as a run from the standpoint of challenging a defense.

FAX


I agree with you there. Not sure if you saw my post on page eight about the number of receptions to backs as compared to the "Arena Ball" teams, but it was the last post on page 8 and sometimes those get missed, so here it is again:

Colts: 56 receptions to backs.

Pats: 56 receptions to backs.

Packers: 64 receptions to backs.

Cowboys: 68 receptions to backs.

Chiefs: 60 receptions to backs.

acesn8s
12-28-2007, 12:18 AM
I suppose. Can you think of a specific game situation in which a 1 yard pass to the RB is better than a rush?

FAXA touchdown play?

MadMax
12-28-2007, 12:19 AM
Well, I'm not going to go back and add it all up. You're more than welcome to though.

I do know that we ran the ball more when we were winning at the beginning of the year. In our losing streak, we have definitely been throwing more, which is what most on this board wanted.

You do not think play calling is a major failure in KC??? Just curious ass.

doomy3
12-28-2007, 12:19 AM
Chicken and egg, though. Right?

I mean, are we passing more because we're losing? Or are we losing more because we're passing?

FAX


That's a great question. I know this though, we get blown out in the Indy game if we go out throwing the ball all over the field. The only reason that game was even close is because we controlled the ball and didn't make mistakes. Talent wise, we should have lost 49-0.

doomy3
12-28-2007, 12:20 AM
Does it not depend on the game situation in which the yards become?


I'm curious what you were trying to get at on this post? Are you implying that a lot of our passing yards are coming in garbage time in the 4th quarter?

doomy3
12-28-2007, 12:22 AM
You do not think play calling is a major failure in KC??? Just curious ass.


It's hard to say, ass. With the current crop of players on the field, mostly a HORRIBLE OLine, a rookie third string RB, an inept #2 receiver, and either a journeyman QB or a guy who has only started a handful of games, it is really hard to say for sure that the playcalling is the problem. Certainly, execution is though.

acesn8s
12-28-2007, 12:23 AM
If the Jets corner jumps the route on the first play and intercepts one of these quick passes to a WR for a TD, will they go away from it?

FAX
12-28-2007, 12:23 AM
I did see it, Mr. doomy3. That's what spurred my interest. We're not leading the league in passes to the backs, but we have to be somewhere near the top in short passes ... say 5 yards or less. Not the total yardage gained, mind you. Just yards at the point of completion. Anyhow, it sure seems to me as though we've thrown a bloody ton of short passes.

The whole argument regarding the run/pass ratio has to do with offensive balance, keeping the enemy guessing, and setting up one tactic with the other. In our case, our passing game is often really just an extension of the run game even if we're throwing the 1 yarder to the flanker, so it's kind of silly for Herm to say we're passing too much. At least that's how it appears to me.

FAX

MadMax
12-28-2007, 12:26 AM
It's hard to say, ass. With the current crop of players on the field, mostly a HORRIBLE OLine, a rookie third string RB, an inept #2 receiver, and either a journeyman QB or a guy who has only started a handful of games, it is really hard to say for sure that the playcalling is the problem. Certainly, execution is though.



lol I agree! no more ass :)

MadMax
12-28-2007, 12:28 AM
I'm curious what you were trying to get at on this post? Are you implying that a lot of our passing yards are coming in garbage time in the 4th quarter?


No I'm saying a majority of our pass plays are very short routes that depend on good blocking and execution, both of which we are in short supply of :(

acesn8s
12-28-2007, 12:28 AM
It's hard to say, ass. With the current crop of players on the field, mostly a HORRIBLE OLine, a rookie third string RB, an inept #2 receiver, and either a journeyman QB or a guy who has only started a handful of games, it is really hard to say for sure that the playcalling is the problem. Certainly, execution is though.The QB can't execute due to the lack of talent on the OL. The WR can't run a full route because the whistle is being blown before they can make their move. The only play available is the WR screen.

doomy3
12-28-2007, 12:29 AM
I did see it, Mr. doomy3. That's what spurred my interest. We're not leading the league in passes to the backs, but we have to be somewhere near the top in short passes ... say 5 yards or less. Not the total yardage gained, mind you. Just yards at the point of completion. Anyhow, it sure seems to me as though we've thrown a bloody ton of short passes.

The whole argument regarding the run/pass ratio has to do with offensive balance, keeping the enemy guessing, and setting up one tactic with the other. In our case, our passing game is often really just an extension of the run game even if we're throwing the 1 yarder to the flanker, so it's kind of silly for Herm to say we're passing too much. At least that's how it appears to me.

FAX


I really do understand what you're saying, I really do. It does seem that way watching the games. But maybe we're wrong? Maybe we aren't throwing as many of those short passes as what it seems. As the stats prove, many other teams throw to the backs more, our WRs all average over 11 YPC, other than Kennison who has 17 catches. Maybe Herm is right, maybe we are throwing the ball too much. But our Running Game sucks too. We are averaging 3.3 YPC on the ground while our Opponent is averaging 4.3 YPC. We just don't have the players to match up right now, bottom line.

Mr. Flopnuts
12-28-2007, 12:29 AM
lol I agree! no more ass :)



Sounds like a personal problem. Good luck with that. ;) I know a bitch in Forsyth. Let me know.........

doomy3
12-28-2007, 12:31 AM
The QB can't execute due to the lack of talent on the OL. The WR can't run a full route because the whistle is being blown before they can make their move. The only play available is the WR screen.

Exactly. And isn't that really the best case scenario with the talent we have on the field? I would rather throw the ball short to Bowe or TG and let him make a play than to trust our OLine to let one of our QBs drop back and actually make a good decision down the field. It's sad, but that's where we are at.

acesn8s
12-28-2007, 12:32 AM
Just a thought, if they can throw a quickout to a WR why can't they throw a quick slant? At least the WR will be moving downfield and be 2-5 yards further down field at the point of the catch.

MadMax
12-28-2007, 12:34 AM
Sounds like a personal problem. Good luck with that. ;) I know a bitch in Forsyth. Let me know.........


What's her # ? I trust ya bro.. :)

doomy3
12-28-2007, 12:34 AM
Just a thought, if they can throw a quickout to a WR why can't they throw a quick slant? At least the WR will be moving downfield and be 2-5 yards further down field at the point of the catch.


Much better chance that a LB can step in on a slant, and both Croyle and Huard have proven to have problems with LBs picking passes. Plus, out of the balls Bowe has dropped, the majority of them have been over the middle.

MadMax
12-28-2007, 12:36 AM
Would one of you late night pricks at least cuss at me to make me feel wanted? /cry

acesn8s
12-28-2007, 12:37 AM
Much better chance that a LB can step in on a slant, and both Croyle and Huard have proven to have problems with LBs picking passes. Plus, out of the balls Bowe has dropped, the majority of them have been over the middle.I'm just saying that the timing would be the same but the WR would be moving in front of the CB and downfield 3 yards. I realize that they are trying to setup a block but the WR blocking isn't very good either.

acesn8s
12-28-2007, 12:38 AM
Would one of you late night pricks at least cuss at me to make me feel wanted? /crypussy

MadMax
12-28-2007, 12:41 AM
pussy

You sorry POS how dare you :p

doomy3
12-28-2007, 12:42 AM
I'm just saying that the timing would be the same but the WR would be moving in front of the CB and downfield 3 yards. I realize that they are trying to setup a block but the WR blocking isn't very good either.


I agree. In theory, a quick slant should be just as easy to throw and catch, but it's not, especially when we have 2 QBs that are undersized and get passes batted down. Plus on a slant, you need linemen that will punch the DLine in the gut to get their hands down. You also need a WR that makes EVERY catch over the middle. THe last thing you want is a quick slant to bounce off a receivers hands. Those tend to bounce right into a safeties or a LBs hands.

acesn8s
12-28-2007, 12:44 AM
I agree. In theory, a quick slant should be just as easy to throw and catch, but it's not, especially when we have 2 QBs that are undersized and get passes batted down. Plus on a slant, you need linemen that will punch the DLine in the gut to get their hands down. You also need a WR that makes EVERY catch over the middle. THe last thing you want is a quick slant to bounce off a receivers hands. Those tend to bounce right into a safeties or a LBs hands.It is just what we need for this week.

Mecca
12-28-2007, 12:55 AM
The Chiefs problem isn't that they pass to much, it's that they run and pass in very predictable situations. The closer the games are the even more predictable they become.

MadMax
12-28-2007, 12:57 AM
The Chiefs problem isn't that they pass to much, it's that they run and pass in very predictable situations. The closer the games are the even more predictable they become.


Yep IE Playcalling

philfree
12-28-2007, 01:57 AM
The Chiefs problem isn't that they pass to much, it's that they run and pass in very predictable situations. The closer the games are the even more predictable they become.
OMG! Thanks for the revelation I'd have never thought of that...Really, I'm just a.....your....the key to O on the NFL is passing when you want to.....

PhilFree:arrow:

xbarretx
12-28-2007, 07:47 AM
Well, our WR's YPC looks like this:

Bowe 14.2------69 receptions
TG 12.0-----98 receptions
Webb 11.0-----24 receptions
Parker 12.5------22 receptions
Kennison 7.8------13 receptions

Those aren't really "dumpoffs"

I bet if you (or the NFL who did those stats) did a weighted average so the once in a blue moon long plays dont skew the AVG you would see a different picture.

Extra Point
12-28-2007, 07:51 AM
Funny, Bowe has caught more than Webb, Parker, and Kennison, combined.

KCChiefsFan88
12-28-2007, 08:29 AM
What's your point? Those guys have better players running the plays? You do realize we have thrown the ball 520 times, right? That is more than Indy and Dallas, and only a few less than New England or Green Bay. Actually, if you look at it as a percent of overall passing attempts vs. overall offensive plays, we actually throw on a higher percent than all the other teams listed.

So, God forbid, maybe Herm is right and we need to be running the ball more than we have this year.


The Chiefs have attempted 520 passes, as you said, and have completed 60.6% of those passes... not bad, but only for 6.4 yards per attempt.

The Patriots on 544 pass attempts have 8.28 yards per attempt, The Colts on 511 pass attempts have 7.85 yards per attempt, Dallas on 504 pass attempts has 8.19 yards per attempt, and Green Bay on 552 pass attempts has 7.74 yards per attempt.

The Chiefs need to get more PRODUCTION out of their passing game. And that comes with 1) Having a more aggressive approach on offense, passing the ball DOWNFIELD on first and second down, 2) Having more talent to produce big plays in the passing game (i.e. a QB who can accurately step up in the pocket and deliver the ball downfield, WRs that can make plays and an offensive line that can provide the pass protection necessary to produce these plays) and 3) An offensive coordinator who has the creativity to develop and call plays that put players in position to make big plays.

KCChiefsFan88
12-28-2007, 08:33 AM
The Chiefs problem isn't that they pass to much, it's that they run and pass in very predictable situations. The closer the games are the even more predictable they become.

Exactly, the Chiefs start off the game conservative, and have the typical R2P2 pattern of playcalling on offense. It is only when they get behind (which they have been a lot this season) that they open it up... but only out of desperation.

It would be interesting to do a breakdown of the Chiefs passing attempts this season and see what % came when the Chiefs were down 7 or more points. That would be the definition of desperate passing, which is essentially passing when the other team knows you have to pass.

Dave Lane
12-28-2007, 08:39 AM
Dictator Carl's secret police will be all over that Applebee's tonight.

Also is it wise to have Bob Gretz host a show from a food establishment? He might eat the entire restaurant.


I'm surprised he's will to go out in public after hearing about Bhutto.


Dave

Dave Lane
12-28-2007, 08:47 AM
I do think the pass attempt stats have been wildly skewed due to us being behind and in catch up mode virtually all of the Denver and Detroit games. Also really most of our current losing streak we have had to pass especially late in games.

Dave

xbarretx
12-28-2007, 08:58 AM
I do think the pass attempt stats have been wildly skewed due to us being behind and in catch up mode virtually all of the Denver and Detroit games. Also really most of our current losing streak we have had to pass especially late in games.

Dave

skewed as in total no, but total as in AVG i say yes. we see way to many short dumpoffs to have all our receivers averaging over 7 ypc :shake: