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Phobia
12-28-2007, 11:25 AM
Would he care if he were aware? I'm wondering if we need to tattle on the idiots over at Arrowhead.

I haven't the time, but maybe if someone were to print all the kcchiefs.com columns in which Chiefs fans are insulted and degraded and highlight the specific lines that seem over-the-top. Send it to Clark in Dallas or where ever he's residing these days. Perhaps that would impact his offseason decisions.

Insulting the fan-base is so chicken-shit it's embarrassing. I wonder what would happen if I started insulting my customers two or three times a week. These homeowners are so stupid they don't deserve to even own homes. Wow.

Is this a dumb idea?

I think the behavior coming out of One Arrowhead is just pathetic. I've followed the Chiefs and NFL in general for as long as I've had access to a television. But I'm very quickly being driven to watch Saturday football and it has little to do with how badly my Chiefs are performing.

Pushead2
12-28-2007, 11:26 AM
The Chiefs aren't going to the SB unless he sells the team.

Mr. Laz
12-28-2007, 11:27 AM
if Clark doesn't know then he doesn't really want to know.

Chiefnj2
12-28-2007, 11:28 AM
I don't want Rufus and Gretz replaced, I want Carl and Herm replaced.

The general attitude of management is offensive. They take the fans for granted and the only thing that is going to force a change is a loss of revenue or some pulic display of attempted shame. Too late for either this year.

Phobia
12-28-2007, 11:29 AM
I don't want Rufus and Gretz replaced, I want Carl and Herm replaced.
If Carl is replaced, those idiots go too.

Brock
12-28-2007, 11:31 AM
I doubt Clark even lives in the US.

Gonzo
12-28-2007, 11:32 AM
Would he care if he were aware? I'm wondering if we need to tattle on the idiots over at Arrowhead.

I haven't the time, but maybe if someone were to print all the kcchiefs.com columns in which Chiefs fans are insulted and degraded and highlight the specific lines that seem over-the-top. Send it to Clark in Dallas or where ever he's residing these days. Perhaps that would impact his offseason decisions.

Insulting the fan-base is so chicken-shit it's embarrassing. I wonder what would happen if I started insulting my customers two or three times a week. These homeowners are so stupid they don't deserve to even own homes. Wow.

Is this a dumb idea?

I think the behavior coming out of One Arrowhead is just pathetic. I've followed the Chiefs and NFL in general for as long as I've had access to a television. But I'm very quickly being driven to watch Saturday football and it has little to do with how badly my Chiefs are performing.




:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I could not agree more Phil. There is no excuse for the behavior of that particular web site. The propoganda coming from that electronic fishwrap rivals that of flyers dropped from bi-planes in 1937.

siberian khatru
12-28-2007, 11:32 AM
Send it to Clark in Dallas or where ever he's residing these days.

I think he's living in the state of Denial.

bowener
12-28-2007, 11:34 AM
how do ST renewals work? do they mail out a form or what? if they do, and you dont want your seats back, mail in some of these articles with the empty renewal.... at least the minimum wage workers will get a kick out of it.

As for public displays... if Herm/Carl are still here next year we should organize a parking lot display and have letters on the tops of cars spell out interesting statements in the parking lots... they will show it at least once with the blimp/plane cam.

Phobia
12-28-2007, 11:36 AM
I doubt Clark even lives in the US.

It looks like he lives in Fredericksted, Virgin Islands according to my research. Probably a huge tax shelter.

greg63
12-28-2007, 11:37 AM
Is Clark even aware?

Isn't the real question: does Clark even care?

Donger
12-28-2007, 11:38 AM
"He is married and has three children, which were all taken care of by the world-famous chef Anna Rau for a year's time in 2006."

Clark did this, too? Darn, I was under the impression that I was the only one.

Frankie
12-28-2007, 11:39 AM
Do you want to collect names again and write my pal Clark another letter?

greg63
12-28-2007, 11:39 AM
if Clark doesn't know then he doesn't really want to know.

Exactly!

Cochise
12-28-2007, 11:39 AM
How can we reach him?

greg63
12-28-2007, 11:40 AM
How can we reach him?

You can't.

bowener
12-28-2007, 11:42 AM
How can we reach him?

With a 200 foot pole wrapped in $100 bills.

greg63
12-28-2007, 11:44 AM
With a 200 foot pole wrapped in $1000000 bills.

FRP.

Moon§hiner
12-28-2007, 11:44 AM
I mostly drop in to read when someone last shit their pants threads. Never seen another organization do damage control with writers and blame the fans like this one. I'd say Clark should contribute to that thread.

greg63
12-28-2007, 11:45 AM
Clark does not care people.

Phobia
12-28-2007, 11:50 AM
Clark does not care people.
I don't think that's true at all. If you owned thirdsies in a 1,000,000,000 conglomerate, you'd probably be interested in important developments even if your most trusted henchman were running it. I guarantee he cares. If he didn't, he'd send a lackey to NFL meetings, which he doesn't.

Skip Towne
12-28-2007, 11:51 AM
Clark does not care people.
He will start caring when expenses exceed income.

FringeNC
12-28-2007, 11:53 AM
Clark does not care people.

He may not care now, but my guess he would care if Pos or someone wrote an article bashing Clark and Peterson for creating an atmosphere in which this stuff can happen. The one thing these super-rich people care about is being publicly worshipped. Ripping Clark in the KC Star for being classless and deranged for allowing this crap might get the ball rolling.

I think it was Pos's ripping of David Glass publicly that caused him to completely change the way he ran the Royals.

Brock
12-28-2007, 11:54 AM
He will start caring when expenses exceed income.

Which will never happen even if there isn't a single person in the stadium.

Demonpenz
12-28-2007, 11:54 AM
I was an eagle fan growing up. I freaking wanted to see the chiefs embarrassed. Then around my 20's I turned to the chiefs because they were the home team and i thought that it was important to support local people and it was important for local moral and civic pride. I also get the feeling that everyone always thinks everything in kc/st joe sucks and we suck and we should move to the coasts to go somewhere better. I treid to make everything better, my college, root for the chiefs, royals etc. This kind of shit just makes me want to get the F out of kc. It is embarrassing insulting and hurtful. people work their asses off to support the team.

Frankie
12-28-2007, 11:55 AM
You can't.
Oh, really?! ;)

KCChiefsFan88
12-28-2007, 12:00 PM
This should be studied by sports marketing classes at universities across the country. Seriously is there another professional sports franchise in America that goes this out of their way to attack fans and media the way the Chiefs do?

It is a case study in arrogance in its rarist form

Brock
12-28-2007, 12:02 PM
This should be studied by sports marketing classes at universities across the country. Seriously is there another professional sports franchise in America that goes this out of their way to attack fans and media the way the Chiefs do?

It is a case study in arrogance in its rarist form

The psychology departments should be studying the fans as well to find out why we enjoy rape.

Phobia
12-28-2007, 12:03 PM
Which will never happen even if there isn't a single person in the stadium.

That's true due to the television contracts and revenue sharing but these people are wise businessmen. They want to make every revenue generating element profitable. If they're seeing a red area in the ledger, it's going to get some serious scrutiny.

Bowser
12-28-2007, 12:04 PM
I never really gave any thought to the notion that Clark might up and move the franchise in the middle of the night, ala the Baltimore Colts, but listening more and more to the pathetic drivel leaking out of the front offices at Arrowhead these days is starting to make me wonder.

Bowser
12-28-2007, 12:05 PM
The psychology departments should be studying the fans as well to find out why we enjoy rape.

Sad but true. Carl Peterson has been the Bill Bidwell of the AFC, just with a fan base that supports the team.

patteeu
12-28-2007, 12:09 PM
For some reason, when some Chiefs-related mouthpiece points out that some portion of the fan base is filled with cry babies and spoiled, fair weather fans, I don't feel insulted. Maybe it's because I know I'm not one of them.

Maybe it helps if you recognize that the Chiefs are really Clark's baby to do with as he pleases and that you have the option to turn your back on the team at any time you see fit (preferably without resort to the self-pity act in the process). I doubt that the Chiefs are in any real danger of permanently losing their fan base. All they need is a successful team and their seats will be full again whether it's with the same butts or different butts. Every butt's green spends the same so what difference does it make? I plan on sticking it out through the lean years. Hopefully they won't last anywhere near as long as the Steadman era.

Messier
12-28-2007, 12:13 PM
For some reason, when some Chiefs-related mouthpiece points out that some portion of the fan base is filled with cry babies and spoiled, fair weather fans, I don't feel insulted. Maybe it's because I know I'm not one of them.

Maybe it helps if you recognize that the Chiefs are really Clark's baby to do with as he pleases and that you have the option to turn your back on the team at any time you see fit (preferably without resort to the self-pity act in the process). I doubt that the Chiefs are in any real danger of permanently losing their fan base. All they need is a successful team and their seats will be full again whether it's with the same butts or different butts. Every butt's green spends the same so what difference does it make? I plan on sticking it out through the lean years. Hopefully they won't last anywhere near as long as the Steadman era.


Well Said!

Phobia
12-28-2007, 12:15 PM
That's a good point, patteeu. I've often said that anybody who is paying attention to the Chiefs can't be a bandwagoner. Which means anybody reading this is a "true fan". Hence, I don't feel like my own toes are being stepped upon. However, I don't like the condescension and arrogance coming from the talking heads at One Arrowhead. They're in a position where humility would go a long way. Their heading should be locked there until they do something about which they can be arrogant.

Mr. Laz
12-28-2007, 12:20 PM
For some reason, when some Chiefs-related mouthpiece points out that some portion of the fan base is filled with cry babies and spoiled, fair weather fans, I don't feel insulted. Maybe it's because I know I'm not one of them.

Maybe it helps if you recognize that the Chiefs are really Clark's baby to do with as he pleases and that you have the option to turn your back on the team at any time you see fit (preferably without resort to the self-pity act in the process). I doubt that the Chiefs are in any real danger of permanently losing their fan base. All they need is a successful team and their seats will be full again whether it's with the same butts or different butts. Every butt's green spends the same so what difference does it make? I plan on sticking it out through the lean years. Hopefully they won't last anywhere near as long as the Steadman era.
it's called arrogance


everyone is stupid but me
everyone deserves what they get but me
he's insulting everyone but me





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patteeu
12-28-2007, 12:21 PM
That's a good point, patteeu. I've often said that anybody who is paying attention to the Chiefs can't be a bandwagoner. Which means anybody reading this is a "true fan". Hence, I don't feel like my own toes are being stepped upon. However, I don't like the condescension and arrogance coming from the talking heads at One Arrowhead. They're in a position where humility would go a long way. Their heading should be locked there until they do something about which they can be arrogant.

Yeah, I probably should have made clear that I wasn't pointing the finger at any particular planeteer, too.

I hear what you're saying. For their own self-interest, they need to be concerned with PR, but aside from what goes on in this hotbed of intense Chiefs scrutiny (i.e. ChiefsPlanet), I'm not sure they're really impacting their fanbase all that much with anything they say on kcchiefs.com, positive or negative. I think the success of the team on the field is overwhelmingly more important than those articles and I think they will have no problem re-uniting with a full house when they put a winner back on the field.

patteeu
12-28-2007, 12:22 PM
it's called arrogance


everyone is stupid but me
everyone deserves what they get but me
he's insulting everyone but me





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LMAO

Messier
12-28-2007, 12:23 PM
it's called arrogance


everyone is stupid but me
everyone deserves what they get but me
he's insulting everyone but me





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And if you don't feel insulted?

Adept Havelock
12-28-2007, 12:24 PM
I never really gave any thought to the notion that Clark might up and move the franchise in the middle of the night, ala the Baltimore Colts, but listening more and more to the pathetic drivel leaking out of the front offices at Arrowhead these days is starting to make me wonder.


I wouldn't worry. They had to sign a new lease to get the Stadium improvements, IIRC.

Bowser
12-28-2007, 12:25 PM
I wouldn't worry. They had to sign a new lease to get the Stadium improvements, IIRC.

Yeah, true. It would be dumb to up and move with the rennovations.

Mr. Laz
12-28-2007, 12:43 PM
And if you don't feel insulted?
dunno .... i can't tell what you're thinking

but i look at it this way....


Gretz just insulted the Chiefs fan base


if you don't feel insulted then:


A. You generally don't feel insulted by what anyone says for whatever reason

B. you don't feel like part of said fan base

C. you somehow feel "better" than the rest of the fan base so that the insult somehow doesn't apply to you.


just my opinion :shrug:

Otter
12-28-2007, 01:08 PM
I think your chances of getting one of the writers from ESPN or Sporting News to write/announce something and having Clark pick up on are better than getting to Clark.

Assuming he gives a shit.

greg63
12-28-2007, 01:24 PM
I don't think that's true at all. If you owned thirdsies in a 1,000,000,000 conglomerate, you'd probably be interested in important developments even if your most trusted henchman were running it. I guarantee he cares. If he didn't, he'd send a lackey to NFL meetings, which he doesn't.

This fact does not mean that he cares what we think or how we feel.

greg63
12-28-2007, 01:26 PM
Oh, really?! ;)

Well you probably can. :)

Skip Towne
12-28-2007, 01:30 PM
They are going to look pretty silly in their newly renovated stadium when 10,000 people show up.

greg63
12-28-2007, 01:31 PM
He will start caring when expenses exceed income.


He may not care now, but my guess he would care if Pos or someone wrote an article bashing Clark and Peterson for creating an atmosphere in which this stuff can happen. The one thing these super-rich people care about is being publicly worshipped. Ripping Clark in the KC Star for being classless and deranged for allowing this crap might get the ball rolling.

I think it was Pos's ripping of David Glass publicly that caused him to completely change the way he ran the Royals.


Agreed, I would probably say that in which case Clark may pack up and take the team somewhere else, except for the stadium renovations scheduled to take place. If he places said renovations on hold then maybe he is possibly be thinking about it.

Mr. Laz
12-28-2007, 01:33 PM
I think your chances of getting one of the writers from ESPN or Sporting News to write/announce something and having Clark pick up on are better than getting to Clark.

Assuming he gives a shit.
good idea

greg63
12-28-2007, 01:33 PM
They are going to look pretty silly in their newly renovated stadium when 10,000 people show up.

Yup! If Clark indeed goes through with the renovations.

splatbass
12-28-2007, 01:34 PM
if you don't feel insulted then:


A. You generally don't feel insulted by what anyone says for whatever reason

B. you don't feel like part of said fan base

C. you somehow feel "better" than the rest of the fan base so that the insult somehow doesn't apply to you.


just my opinion :shrug:

You left out an option:

D: You aren't a whiny, crybaby fairweather fan. You stick with your team good or bad, so the insult wasn't directed at you.

I fall in option D.

Dr. Van Halen
12-28-2007, 01:38 PM
You left out an option:

D: You aren't a whiny, crybaby fairweather fan. You stick with your team good or bad, so the insult wasn't directed at you.

I fall in option D.

Amen.

The Hunts don't care about sports? Jeez. It's been a rotten season, but come on.

HonestChieffan
12-28-2007, 01:39 PM
Im as frustrated as anyone but to assume somehow that Clark Hunt is not involved, does not care, or somehow is not paying attention is the most absurd thing Ive seen...Hes not gonna go apeshit like a poster on here and run about doing stupid things while the season is still not over...

Hate on Carl, Hate on Herm...but dont underestimate the owners committment to the franchise. Thats silly.

Baconeater
12-28-2007, 01:40 PM
Agreed, I would probably say that in which case Clark may pack up and take the team somewhere else, except for the stadium renovations scheduled to take place. If he places said renovations on hold then maybe he is possibly be thinking about it.
I'm not sure he can place the renovations on hold, I would assume if tax monies have already been collected it's a done deal. I could be wrong though.

greg63
12-28-2007, 01:40 PM
Im as frustrated as anyone but to assume somehow that Clark Hunt is not involved, does not care, or somehow is not paying attention is the most absurd thing Ive seen...Hes not gonna go apeshit like a poster on here and run about doing stupid things while the season is still not over...

Hate on Carl, Hate on Herm...but dont underestimate the owners committment to the franchise. Thats silly.

Thank you Clark Hunt. :rolleyes:

Stewie
12-28-2007, 01:41 PM
The lights aren't twinkling, Clark.

Thanks for noticing.

greg63
12-28-2007, 01:41 PM
I'm not sure he can place the renovations on hold, I would assume if tax monies have already been collected it's a done deal. I could be wrong though.

You're probably right there.

greg63
12-28-2007, 01:42 PM
The lights aren't twinkling, Clark.

Thanks for noticing.

ROFL LMAO

Mr. Laz
12-28-2007, 01:56 PM
You left out an option:

D: You aren't a whiny, crybaby fairweather fan. You stick with your team good or bad, so the insult wasn't directed at you.

I fall in option D.

i believe i covered that under (c) you think you're somehow better than the rest of the fan base.......


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Mr. Laz
12-28-2007, 02:00 PM
Amen.

The Hunts don't care about sports? Jeez. It's been a rotten season, but come on.
they left a GM in control that hasn't won jack in 15 years ........


what does that tell you?


btw - how in the holy f*** do you think the Kansas city Chiefs can have ANY fairweather fans left when the fair weather left 10 years ago?

greg63
12-28-2007, 02:09 PM
they left a GM in control that hasn't won jack in 15 years ........


what does that tell you?


btw - how in the holy f*** do you think the Kansas city Chiefs can have ANY fairweather fans left when the fair weather left 10 years ago?


Exactly!

dirk digler
12-28-2007, 02:11 PM
Im as frustrated as anyone but to assume somehow that Clark Hunt is not involved, does not care, or somehow is not paying attention is the most absurd thing Ive seen...Hes not gonna go apeshit like a poster on here and run about doing stupid things while the season is still not over...

Hate on Carl, Hate on Herm...but dont underestimate the owners committment to the franchise. Thats silly.

If Clark Hunt keeps the status quo after Monday then that is all we need to know about his commitment and whether he cares or not.

Mecca
12-28-2007, 02:16 PM
Expect it, I was just listening to 810 and they said they were sent a release that said "Carl and Herm will be available for an end of the season press conference"

siberian khatru
12-28-2007, 02:18 PM
If Clark Hunt keeps the status quo after Monday then that is all we need to know about his commitment and whether he cares or not.

Carl and Herm will convince him that all they need to do is shitcan a few coaches and bring in some new players. Clark will just kick the can down the road to 2009.

greg63
12-28-2007, 02:19 PM
Expect it, I was just listening to 810 and they said they were sent a release that said "Carl and Herm will be available for an end of the season press conference"

I doubt seriously that they are going anywhere, unfortunately.

Messier
12-28-2007, 02:22 PM
they left a GM in control that hasn't won jack in 15 years ........


what does that tell you?


btw - how in the holy f*** do you think the Kansas city Chiefs can have ANY fairweather fans left when the fair weather left 10 years ago?


What's your problem? You seem so angry. If you really feel so insulted by what the columnist for the Chiefs web site said then maybe he's right and you do need to find another team or something, because you obviously aren't going to just have fun and support the Chiefs win or lose.

Mecca
12-28-2007, 02:23 PM
It's the nature of our organization......Lamar Hunt had more losing seasons than winning seasons, he refused to fire people, his son is following right along in those footsteps.

No one really said bad things about Lamar because he was an old man who was dying and that seemed mean. But the Chiefs ownership is a serious problem they allow this to go on.

Tribal Warfare
12-28-2007, 02:24 PM
What's your problem? You seem so angry. If you really feel so insulted by what the columnist for the Chiefs web site said then maybe he's right and you do need to find another team or something, because you obviously aren't going to just have fun and support the Chiefs win or lose.



Yay, a TRUE FAN!!!!!!!!!!

Mecca
12-28-2007, 02:26 PM
I love people who think we should just love the Chiefs even if they do things wrong. What are we suppose to be, drooling retards that just go "Yea Chiefs! Durrr"

FringeNC
12-28-2007, 02:27 PM
Ya know I just thinking that this shit wouldn't happen in college football. The boosters act as a sort of board of directors that will run a bad coach / AD off, even if the college president doesn't have a sack. Matt Millen and Carl Peterson would have been gone long ago.

Chiefs' fans want Carl and Herm gone, but have no way to convey that to an absentee owner without giving up their season-tickets. What Clark probably doesn't realize is that if he were to shit-can Peterson and Herm, he could RAISE ticket prices. In college, the boosters make sure the message gets across to the empty suits.

Messier
12-28-2007, 02:28 PM
Yay, a TRUE FAN!!!!!!!!!!


Oops. Sorry. Didn't mean to post anything with out the words, fire, Carl, and Herm in it.

Tribal Warfare
12-28-2007, 02:31 PM
Oops. Sorry. Didn't mean to post anything with out the words, fire, Carl, and Herm in it.


yeah, because we all know true fans love to eat their KC Chief made shit sandwich with a smile :banghead:

Mecca
12-28-2007, 02:31 PM
Oops. Sorry. Didn't mean to post anything with out the words, fire, Carl, and Herm in it.

You can post things that don't imply that you need to be a fan of a different team if you don't agree with what the Chiefs do...The Chiefs deserve everything they get. They have the same GM for 19 years, they can't draft, they hired a shitty coach and the team has bottomed out, they got what they asked for.

Messier
12-28-2007, 02:35 PM
I love people who think we should just love the Chiefs even if they do things wrong. What are we suppose to be, drooling retards that just go "Yea Chiefs! Durrr"


So you like being just, "I hate Carl! I hate Herm! This team stinks!" "someone should protest! Then they'll see!" "They'll have to once we show them!" "Grrrrrrr!!!" "Even though my protest will have no discernible effect on the organization or how it's run, because it's not a democracy!" Rrrrrrrrrrroooarrrrr!!!!" "I'll stop watching....that'll show 'em."

No thanks.

Mecca
12-28-2007, 02:38 PM
So you like being just, "I hate Carl! I hate Herm! This team stinks!" "someone should protest! Then they'll see!" "They'll have to once we show them!" "Grrrrrrr!!!" "Even though my protest will have no discernible effect on the organization or how it's run, because it's not a democracy!" Rrrrrrrrrrroooarrrrr!!!!" "I'll stop watching....that'll show 'em."

No thanks.

Why should Carl keep his job? He's had 19 years, he'd have been fired years ago if this was any other team...

What more can you expect people to do? It seems like nothing short of Carl dying will get rid of him, he's like a Supreme Court Justice. And the team does suck, that's not being anything other than being honest...

I think if Carl was fired, and you saw a real new direction people wouldn't react nearly the way they do now.

FringeNC
12-28-2007, 02:43 PM
Why should Carl keep his job? He's had 19 years, he'd have been fired years ago if this was any other team...

What more can you expect people to do? It seems like nothing short of Carl dying will get rid of him, he's like a Supreme Court Justice. And the team does suck, that's not being anything other than being honest...

I think if Carl was fired, and you saw a real new direction people wouldn't react nearly the way they do now.

Right, if some fans are second-guessing Belichick and Pioli, those fans are laughable. If some fans are second-guessing Peterson and Herm, they are probably right. There is a pecking order of GMs, and how is Carl not near the bottom after 15 years with zero playoff wins? He may not be incompetent in an absolute sense, but relative to his peers he certainly is.

Donger
12-28-2007, 02:46 PM
I love people who think we should just love the Chiefs even if they do things wrong. What are we suppose to be, drooling retards that just go "Yea Chiefs! Durrr"

Yes. Masochistic junkies.

BigMeatballDave
12-28-2007, 02:50 PM
I cannot believe Carl has the audacity to show up at Arrowhead after all these years of failure.

Donger
12-28-2007, 02:52 PM
I cannot believe Carl has the audacity to show up at Arrowhead after all these years of failure.

Well, you have to look at his entire body of work to get a clear picture. I think that's why you are confused.

BigMeatballDave
12-28-2007, 02:54 PM
Well, you have to look at his entire body of work to get a clear picture. I think that's why you are confused.
:doh!: Well, how dumb of me....

Baconeater
12-28-2007, 03:02 PM
Ya know I just thinking that this shit wouldn't happen in college football. The boosters act as a sort of board of directors that will run a bad coach / AD off, even if the college president doesn't have a sack.
Absolutely right, just look at Nebraska. The AD and HC both received contract extensions earlier this year, and now they're both gone. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that would happen.

greg63
12-28-2007, 03:12 PM
You can post things that don't imply that you need to be a fan of a different team if you don't agree with what the Chiefs do...The Chiefs deserve everything they get. They have the same GM for 19 years, they can't draft, they hired a shitty coach and the team has bottomed out, they got what they asked for.

Precisely!

Rain Man
12-28-2007, 03:25 PM
These types of statements are made because the people involved recognize that there are no ramifications for it. They cannot be fired, no matter what they do. They have lifetime employment short of having their offices stormed and being dragged out and hanged in the public square. This is the same complacency and contempt that all despots feel when they know that there's no lawful process in place to remove them from power.

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-28-2007, 03:52 PM
I never really gave any thought to the notion that Clark might up and move the franchise in the middle of the night, ala the Baltimore Colts, but listening more and more to the pathetic drivel leaking out of the front offices at Arrowhead these days is starting to make me wonder.They can't.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2006/01/24/chiefs_sign_new_lease_with_jackson_county_team_awaits_april_vote2/

The Kansas City Chiefs today signed a lease with Jackson County, Missouri officials that will keep the team at the county’s Truman Sports Complex for the next 25 years. The lease was signed in a special ceremony at the Jackson County courthouse in downtown Kansas City. A lease was also agreed to by the Kansas City Royals, the Major League Baseball team that makes its home at Kauffman Stadium, located adjacent to Arrowhead Stadium in the Truman Sports Complex. The signing of the new leases leads the way for the county to put two sales tax issues to finance stadium improvements before Jackson County voters on April 4th of this year.

splatbass
12-28-2007, 03:59 PM
i believe i covered that under (c) you think you're somehow better than the rest of the fan base.......


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That isn't the same thing Laz. I think you guys are sniveling weenies..... :)

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-28-2007, 03:59 PM
You left out an option:

D: You aren't a whiny, crybaby fairweather fan. You stick with your team good or bad, so the insult wasn't directed at you.

I fall in option D.bingo

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-28-2007, 04:06 PM
Oops. Sorry. Didn't mean to post anything with out the words, fire, Carl, and Herm in it.ROFL Doesn't ChiefsPlanet etiquette require this in all posts? Mods should just add that to all signatures.
ROFL

Iowanian
12-28-2007, 04:21 PM
I've been trying to think of a simple way to express my thoughts.

I hope the owner of my beloved Chiefs stumbles into this very thread, and reads this very post.

i'll put my interpretation of the past 18 years in a form I hope he'll understand.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f155/HurricaneBlake/Cousin-Eddie-Xmas-myspace.jpg

Rain Man
12-28-2007, 04:27 PM
Things are so bad right now that I'm starting to think that Mecca is optimistic.

Count Zarth
12-28-2007, 04:46 PM
I have access to Clark Hunt through a third party, and I know he reads my stuff from time to time. I could do it.

BigMeatballDave
12-28-2007, 04:48 PM
I have access to Clark Hunt through a third party, and I know he reads my stuff from time to time. I could do it.Good, get busy.
:)

Tribal Warfare
12-28-2007, 04:48 PM
I have access to Clark Hunt through a third party, and I know he reads my stuff from time to time. I could do it.


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'Hamas' Jenkins
12-28-2007, 05:02 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing "Rampage" Jackson choke his ass out just to see if he looked remorseful while tapping on his forearm.

jettio
12-28-2007, 05:14 PM
The fact is that the best marginal decision is to let both Peterson and Herm Edwards finish their contracts.

Peterson revived the franchise, was a league-wide pioneer in adding to the game day experience and has earned the right to stay on the job.

There is no coach available that has any better track record than Herm Edwards and considering the roster he inherited, he deserves a chance to see if he can turn the team around.

Is there even any speculation in the papers, on NFL network, ESPN, or anywhere that Herm Edwards is going to be fired? I have not heard any.

If the 2008 team does not show improvement and play more entertaining football then there will be less attendance and there will be probably be a new coach, but Herm Edwards is the coach for 2008 and he should be the coach.

As for GM, Peterson will probably step down on his own at the end of his current contract.

If fans wants to stop spending money, just stop spending the money and Shut the F*ck Up about it.

What is worse than Dufus and Gretz is a bunch of ignorant fans saying that unless Clark Hunt sees things the way they do, then he lacks balls or something.

I hope that Clark Hunt is not so stupid as to try to think like ignorant Chiefs fans that piss and moan all of the time, instead of just keeping their money and Shutting the F*ck Up about it.

What will be interesting will be Herm coaching a playoff contender in 2008 and 2009 and the same whiners pissing and moaning even louder.

Phobia has a point about the Gretz and Dufus articles, but hoping that Clark Hunt is susceptible to the pissing and moaning of the ignorant in some way different than his father is really an underhanded way of insulting Lamar Hunt.

Mr. Laz
12-28-2007, 05:32 PM
The fact is that the best marginal decision is to let both Peterson and Herm Edwards finish their contracts.

Peterson revived the franchise, was a league-wide pioneer in adding to the game day experience and has earned the right to stay on the job.

There is no coach available that has any better track record than Herm Edwards and considering the roster he inherited, he deserves a chance to see if he can turn the team around.

Is there even any speculation in the papers, on NFL network, ESPN, or anywhere that Herm Edwards is going to be fired? I have not heard any.

If the 2008 team does not show improvement and play more entertaining football then there will be less attendance and there will be probably be a new coach, but Herm Edwards is the coach for 2008 and he should be the coach.

As for GM, Peterson will probably step down on his own at the end of his current contract.

If fans wants to stop spending money, just stop spending the money and Shut the F*ck Up about it.

What is worse than Dufus and Gretz is a bunch of ignorant fans saying that unless Clark Hunt sees things the way they do, then he lacks balls or something.

I hope that Clark Hunt is not so stupid as to try to think like ignorant Chiefs fans that piss and moan all of the time, instead of just keeping their money and Shutting the F*ck Up about it.

What will be interesting will be Herm coaching a playoff contender in 2008 and 2009 and the same whiners pissing and moaning even louder.

Phobia has a point about the Gretz and Dufus articles, but hoping that Clark Hunt is susceptible to the pissing and moaning of the ignorant in some way different than his father is really an underhanded way of insulting Lamar Hunt.

yea .... i guess if you are shooting for the "best marginal decision"


in fact the word 'marginal' sums up your entire post rather well.


.

BigMeatballDave
12-28-2007, 05:39 PM
The fact is that the best marginal decision is to let both Peterson and Herm Edwards finish their contracts.

Peterson revived the franchise, was a league-wide pioneer in adding to the game day experience and has earned the right to stay on the job.

There is no coach available that has any better track record than Herm Edwards and considering the roster he inherited, he deserves a chance to see if he can turn the team around.

Is there even any speculation in the papers, on NFL network, ESPN, or anywhere that Herm Edwards is going to be fired? I have not heard any.

If the 2008 team does not show improvement and play more entertaining football then there will be less attendance and there will be probably be a new coach, but Herm Edwards is the coach for 2008 and he should be the coach.

As for GM, Peterson will probably step down on his own at the end of his current contract.

If fans wants to stop spending money, just stop spending the money and Shut the F*ck Up about it.

What is worse than Dufus and Gretz is a bunch of ignorant fans saying that unless Clark Hunt sees things the way they do, then he lacks balls or something.

I hope that Clark Hunt is not so stupid as to try to think like ignorant Chiefs fans that piss and moan all of the time, instead of just keeping their money and Shutting the F*ck Up about it.

What will be interesting will be Herm coaching a playoff contender in 2008 and 2009 and the same whiners pissing and moaning even louder.

Phobia has a point about the Gretz and Dufus articles, but hoping that Clark Hunt is susceptible to the pissing and moaning of the ignorant in some way different than his father is really an underhanded way of insulting Lamar Hunt.Look, stupid post of the day.
:rolleyes: :shake:

Skip Towne
12-28-2007, 05:39 PM
The fact is that the best marginal decision is to let both Peterson and Herm Edwards finish their contracts.

Peterson revived the franchise, was a league-wide pioneer in adding to the game day experience and has earned the right to stay on the job.

There is no coach available that has any better track record than Herm Edwards and considering the roster he inherited, he deserves a chance to see if he can turn the team around.

Is there even any speculation in the papers, on NFL network, ESPN, or anywhere that Herm Edwards is going to be fired? I have not heard any.

If the 2008 team does not show improvement and play more entertaining football then there will be less attendance and there will be probably be a new coach, but Herm Edwards is the coach for 2008 and he should be the coach.

As for GM, Peterson will probably step down on his own at the end of his current contract.

If fans wants to stop spending money, just stop spending the money and Shut the F*ck Up about it.

What is worse than Dufus and Gretz is a bunch of ignorant fans saying that unless Clark Hunt sees things the way they do, then he lacks balls or something.

I hope that Clark Hunt is not so stupid as to try to think like ignorant Chiefs fans that piss and moan all of the time, instead of just keeping their money and Shutting the F*ck Up about it.

What will be interesting will be Herm coaching a playoff contender in 2008 and 2009 and the same whiners pissing and moaning even louder.

Phobia has a point about the Gretz and Dufus articles, but hoping that Clark Hunt is susceptible to the pissing and moaning of the ignorant in some way different than his father is really an underhanded way of insulting Lamar Hunt.
Shut the f*ck up.

patteeu
12-28-2007, 05:46 PM
The fact is that the best marginal decision is to let both Peterson and Herm Edwards finish their contracts.

Peterson revived the franchise, was a league-wide pioneer in adding to the game day experience and has earned the right to stay on the job.

There is no coach available that has any better track record than Herm Edwards and considering the roster he inherited, he deserves a chance to see if he can turn the team around.

Is there even any speculation in the papers, on NFL network, ESPN, or anywhere that Herm Edwards is going to be fired? I have not heard any.

If the 2008 team does not show improvement and play more entertaining football then there will be less attendance and there will be probably be a new coach, but Herm Edwards is the coach for 2008 and he should be the coach.

As for GM, Peterson will probably step down on his own at the end of his current contract.

If fans wants to stop spending money, just stop spending the money and Shut the F*ck Up about it.

What is worse than Dufus and Gretz is a bunch of ignorant fans saying that unless Clark Hunt sees things the way they do, then he lacks balls or something.

I hope that Clark Hunt is not so stupid as to try to think like ignorant Chiefs fans that piss and moan all of the time, instead of just keeping their money and Shutting the F*ck Up about it.

What will be interesting will be Herm coaching a playoff contender in 2008 and 2009 and the same whiners pissing and moaning even louder.

Phobia has a point about the Gretz and Dufus articles, but hoping that Clark Hunt is susceptible to the pissing and moaning of the ignorant in some way different than his father is really an underhanded way of insulting Lamar Hunt.

Good post, jettio. DanT no longer has a complete monopoly on being right and saying smart things in your family. ;)

FringeNC
12-28-2007, 05:55 PM
The fact is that the best marginal decision is to let both Peterson and Herm Edwards finish their contracts.

Peterson revived the franchise, was a league-wide pioneer in adding to the game day experience and has earned the right to stay on the job.

There is no coach available that has any better track record than Herm Edwards and considering the roster he inherited, he deserves a chance to see if he can turn the team around.

Is there even any speculation in the papers, on NFL network, ESPN, or anywhere that Herm Edwards is going to be fired? I have not heard any.

If the 2008 team does not show improvement and play more entertaining football then there will be less attendance and there will be probably be a new coach, but Herm Edwards is the coach for 2008 and he should be the coach.

As for GM, Peterson will probably step down on his own at the end of his current contract.

If fans wants to stop spending money, just stop spending the money and Shut the F*ck Up about it.

What is worse than Dufus and Gretz is a bunch of ignorant fans saying that unless Clark Hunt sees things the way they do, then he lacks balls or something.

I hope that Clark Hunt is not so stupid as to try to think like ignorant Chiefs fans that piss and moan all of the time, instead of just keeping their money and Shutting the F*ck Up about it.

What will be interesting will be Herm coaching a playoff contender in 2008 and 2009 and the same whiners pissing and moaning even louder.

Phobia has a point about the Gretz and Dufus articles, but hoping that Clark Hunt is susceptible to the pissing and moaning of the ignorant in some way different than his father is really an underhanded way of insulting Lamar Hunt.

You really shouldn't use economic terms like "marginal" unless you understand what the terms mean.

BigMeatballDave
12-28-2007, 05:56 PM
Peterson revived the franchise, was a league-wide pioneer in adding to the game day experience and has earned the right to stay on the job.

Explain how he "earned the right"? 19 seasons of futility? What are you smokin'?

shaneo69
12-28-2007, 05:57 PM
Apparently the list of idiot homers begins with...

patteeu
messier
splatbass
DrVanHalen
denverdanchiefsfan
jettio

Who's next?

BigMeatballDave
12-28-2007, 05:58 PM
Apparently the list of idiot homers begins with...

patteeu
messier
splatbass
DrVanHalen
denverdanchiefsfan
jettio

Who's next?LMAO

Iowanian
12-28-2007, 06:05 PM
Apparently the list of idiot homers begins with...

patteeu
messier
splatbass
DrVanHalen
denverdanchiefsfan
jettio

Who's next?

Your name IS "shane". Is Bobgritz your uncle?



In other news.....Jettio says something lame.

Mecca
12-28-2007, 06:16 PM
Explain how he "earned the right"? 19 seasons of futility? What are you smokin'?

It's another one of the guys who thinks what Carl did in 1990 matters, so the Chiefs sucked when he took over, it's come full circle we suck now. Time to move on and let another guy have a go at it.

Carls been here 19 years there are guys who won Bowls and did more for their teams that got fired in half that time.

patteeu
12-28-2007, 06:16 PM
Apparently the list of idiot homers begins with...

patteeu
messier
splatbass
DrVanHalen
denverdanchiefsfan
jettio

Who's next?

Hell yeah, I got top billing, mom!

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-28-2007, 06:23 PM
Hell yeah, I got top billing, mom!That's funny - whiny bitches calling us homers just because we don't drink their koolaid.ROFL

Donger
12-28-2007, 06:25 PM
Are you people really supporting that Peterson stay? If so, how exactly do you define success? Or failure, for that matter?

patteeu
12-28-2007, 06:36 PM
Are you people really supporting that Peterson stay? If so, how exactly do you define success? Or failure, for that matter?

I agree with jettio that Peterson will probably leave at the end of his current contract and that he's earned the opportunity to leave on his own terms. Say what you will about the last 19 years, but they were better than the 16 or 17 years before that by far. Peterson resuscitated a dead franchise, IMO, and he made the Chiefs the top entertainment enterprise in KC for a long time. I'm grateful for that.

What seems ironic to me is that after all these years of people pining for a really bad season so we could get a top pick in the draft instead of going 9-7 or 7-9 as we try to rebuild on the fly, now that they get it they want heads to roll. I can wait a couple more years to see if Carl/Herm can get things back in order before going in a different direction. I don't see any reason to think a different, unspecified GM would have a better chance of getting us to the SB than Peterson in that time period.

shaneo69
12-28-2007, 06:37 PM
Are you people really supporting that Peterson stay? If so, how exactly do you define success? Or failure, for that matter?

I think success in the NFL can be defined by the number of tailgaters in a team's parking lot./patteeu/denverdanchiefsfan

Mecca
12-28-2007, 06:42 PM
I agree with jettio that Peterson will probably leave at the end of his current contract and that he's earned the opportunity to leave on his own terms. Say what you will about the last 19 years, but they were better than the 16 or 17 years before that by far. Peterson resuscitated a dead franchise, IMO, and he made the Chiefs the top entertainment enterprise in KC for a long time. I'm grateful for that.

What seems ironic to me is that after all these years of people pining for a really bad season so we could get a top pick in the draft instead of going 9-7 or 7-9 as we try to rebuild on the fly, now that they get it they want heads to roll. I can wait a couple more years to see if Carl/Herm can get things back in order before going in a different direction. I don't see any reason to think a different, unspecified GM would have a better chance of getting us to the SB than Peterson in that time period.

Part of wanting the awful year has to do with wanting Carl out of here....

I like how Carl has been basically horrible for the past 10 years and some people think he's earned his right go out on his own terms....morons I swear.

BigMeatballDave
12-28-2007, 06:43 PM
That's funny - whiny bitches calling us homers just because we don't drink their koolaid.ROFLAre you really this stupid? LMAO

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-28-2007, 06:44 PM
Are you people really supporting that Peterson stay? If so, how exactly do you define success? Or failure, for that matter?I don't believe I ever expressed "support" for Peterson. I have found the extreme reactions on this board amusing at times, but the majority of the posts on here are more tiring than the Chiefs failures.

As a football fan I have grown tired of Peterson. As a business man, you can't argue with his success. I think that is where all the anger comes from. So many fans don't see the NFL as a business - even though it is one of the largest in the world in terms of revenue.

As for Herm - he inherited an aging team. I get so tired of hearing "Herm destroyed the offense". AGE destroyed the offense. I didn't like the fact that an all out search was conducted for a new coach and Herm was handed the job because of history with Peterson. However, he is the coach of the only football team I cheer for. I choose to believe that he is making moves to make this team better. I also understand that with all of the problems he inherited with this team it isn't going to get better overnight.

BigMeatballDave
12-28-2007, 06:47 PM
I agree with jettio that Peterson will probably leave at the end of his current contract and that he's earned the opportunity to leave on his own terms. Say what you will about the last 19 years, but they were better than the 16 or 17 years before that by far. Peterson resuscitated a dead franchise, IMO, and he made the Chiefs the top entertainment enterprise in KC for a long time. I'm grateful for that.

What seems ironic to me is that after all these years of people pining for a really bad season so we could get a top pick in the draft instead of going 9-7 or 7-9 as we try to rebuild on the fly, now that they get it they want heads to roll. I can wait a couple more years to see if Carl/Herm can get things back in order before going in a different direction. I don't see any reason to think a different, unspecified GM would have a better chance of getting us to the SB than Peterson in that time period.Carl would like to clone 80,000 of you.

Mecca
12-28-2007, 06:47 PM
If you wanna say he's a great businessman fine, then replace him as GM and leave him as president. It's not the GM's job to think about business it's his job to assemble the best roster he can.

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-28-2007, 06:48 PM
Are you really this stupid? LMAOWhy, because I don't agree with you? Because I don't have the CP mantra "Fire Herm/Carl" in every post? Explain what I wrote that appears so stupid to you.

BigMeatballDave
12-28-2007, 06:49 PM
As a football fan I have grown tired of Peterson. As a business man, you can't argue with his success. I think that is where all the anger comes from. So many fans don't see the NFL as a business - even though it is one of the largest in the world in terms of revenue.

Fans don't give a shit about the business side. It does not translate into playoff wins.

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-28-2007, 06:49 PM
If you wanna say he's a great businessman fine, then replace him as GM and leave him as president. It's not the GM's job to think about business it's his job to assemble the best roster he can.Please provide the job decription you received from any NFL team for a GM position.

Mecca
12-28-2007, 06:51 PM
The GM is about player decisions and working the cap...

The President cares about profit margin those 2 jobs actually should conflict which each other, 1 guy doing both of them is a conflictive interest..

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-28-2007, 06:51 PM
Fans don't give a shit about the business side. It does not translate into playoff wins.See, I knew you had a brain cell still alive. You red my post and saw that it said "As a football fan I have grown tired of Peterson".

Good job.

BigMeatballDave
12-28-2007, 06:51 PM
Why, because I don't agree with you? Because I don't have the CP mantra "Fire Herm/Carl" in every post? Explain what I wrote that appears so stupid to you.I don't care about the Herm part. I am OK with him getting another season. Support for Carl is just plain dumb.

Mecca
12-28-2007, 06:53 PM
19 years isn't enough, he needs 30 years to truly unleash his master plan. So every team in the league can go to a Bowl but him in his tenure..

At this point I think I'll see a Browns/Cardinals Superbowl before I ever see the Chiefs there.

DenverDanChiefsFan
12-28-2007, 06:53 PM
The GM is about player decisions and working the cap...

The President cares about profit margin those 2 jobs actually should conflict which each other, 1 guy doing both of them is a conflictive interest..Nice "opinion". Where is this in the job decription for Peterson or any other NFL GM?

Mecca
12-28-2007, 06:56 PM
What other GM has total control of being president and CEO?

Frankie
12-28-2007, 07:07 PM
FWIW, here's the letter I emailed CH a couple of years ago, and his reply:

Our letter of January 6, 06:

Dear Mr. Hunt,

Due to the urgency of this letter we have chosen electronic mail in order to expedite contacting you about the following matter. Please accept our apologies. We the undersigned represent merely the tip of the giant iceberg that is the community of Kansas City Chiefs devoted fans and supporters. We recognize and appreciate the greatness of the gift that your father Mr. Lamar Hunt brought to us decades ago. We recognize and appreciate the class organization that your father, as the owner of the Chiefs, has maintained. And, We recognize and appreciate your family’s affection and concern for Kansas City that transcends sports.

In the spirit of the said class we are sad to lose to retirement one of the classiest coaches in the history of the NFL. Mr. Vermeil brought us a team to be proud of and an offensive system that is legendary. We recognize and appreciate the contributions of Mr. Carl Peterson to the creation of this team, that, if not for a string of bad luck and occasional shortcomings of a young and improving defense, would be a Super Bowl favorite.

As you have taken an active role in the operation of the Chiefs, we would like to bring the following concern to your capable attention:

The current edition of the Kansas City Chiefs is only a few minor adjustments away from greatness. The offense is prolific and the defense is on its way to respectability. With that in mind, we feel stability in the coaching transition is absolutely necessary. While there may be qualified candidates outside of the Chiefs organization, we feel that by far the best candidate to carry on the Vermeil legacy and the great offensive tradition is Al Saunders. Al is a proven coach with extensive experience in all facets of coaching in the NFL. The concern that prompted us to write you is the disappointing rumor that Mr. Peterson may be looking for someone more expressively subordinate to himself for the position of the Chiefs head coach. We hope these rumors are untrue, but we appeal to your sense of leadership to step in to find out if there is substance to the rumor and, if so, to stop personal practices by which a potentially brilliant head coach might be lost to other competitors. We trust your leadership will prove priceless in preventing the dismantling of the best offensive system the Chiefs have ever had and derailing the defensive development that is in progress.

Respectfully yours,
(Names protected)

And here's his response of MARCH 20, 06!!:

Dear Friends of the Chiefs:

Thank you for your interest in the future of the Chiefs. It is my firm belief that the foundation of the team begins with the support and dedication of the fans and the people of Kansas City . It is an exciting time to be a Chiefs fan as we look forward to the 2006 season.

The last couple of months have marked a period of transition for our organization. While we are sad to see Coach Vermeil and Carol retire from the sport of football, we wish them well and thank them for five great years of remarkable service to the organization, the fans and the Kansas City community.

As you are no doubt aware, in addition to the departure of Dick and Carol, Al Saunders, our offensive coordinator for the last five years, left to become the offensive coordinator of the Washington Redskins. Al is a great coach who is loved by colleagues and fans alike. We know he will do an outstanding job in Washington .

But as we send our warmest well wishes to our departing coaches, we look toward the future with great anticipation. We are excited to enter the Herman Edwards era. Coach Edwards is a proven winner, and his intensity, leadership and passion for excellence are a perfect fit for the Chiefs. He has assembled a strong coaching staff comprised of veterans and energetic young talent which we feel will compliment our players on the field and in the locker room.

We look forward to great things in the future. On behalf of the entire Kansas City Chiefs Football Club, I thank you for your interest and continued support.


Sincerely,



Clark K. Hunt
Chairman


As you see it took 2.5 months to get his response. AFTER the deed was done already. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

patteeu
12-28-2007, 07:49 PM
19 years isn't enough, he needs 30 years to truly unleash his master plan. So every team in the league can go to a Bowl but him in his tenure..

At this point I think I'll see a Browns/Cardinals Superbowl before I ever see the Chiefs there.

If I thought there was a danger that he might be here 11 more years, I might have a different opinion about whether he should be fired in the near future, but I don't. I expect that he's got 2 years left and I can handle that.

splatbass
12-28-2007, 08:40 PM
Apparently the list of idiot homers begins with...

patteeu
messier
splatbass
DrVanHalen
denverdanchiefsfan
jettio

Who's next?

Wow, internet insults. It doesn't take much guts to call someone an idiot on the internet. Any coward can do it....... :)

ChiefaRoo
12-28-2007, 08:45 PM
If I thought there was a danger that he might be here 11 more years, I might have a different opinion about whether he should be fired in the near future, but I don't. I expect that he's got 2 years left and I can handle that.

I think Petersen should be fired on Monday. His hires and drafts (which he lords over like Jerry Jones) have been disasters since the 90's- Matt Blundin, Mike Elkins, Trezelle Jenkins, Ryan Sims, these are just a few of the awful lowlights that he and his guys have managed. The John Tait negotiations - total disaster in the media and then later in free agency when we lost him (The poison pill situation only existed because Tait hated Carl), Vermeil's abuse of the Defense - Disaster. The Marty Ball meltdown on Monday night football - the beginning of the end. On top of all of this Carl is not a likable guy. He's a PR mans nightmare and I have no doubt that he is held in contempt by agents and peers throughout the league. His time has come and gone.

I'll give Carl props for bringing in Marty, making money and fostering the tailgating spirit at Arrowhead. I'll also give him credit for his loyalty to the Hunts but he deserves to be fired for his organizations lack of on field performance for the past decade.

To Patteeu's point that Carl and by extension Herm are just as good or better than any generic GM and Coach out there I have to disagree. It is the job of every Football owner to have a constantly updating list of hot GM candidates and coaches in both the College and NFL ranks. If the Hunt's don't have at least two or three candidates who they know they could contact then they are asleep at the proverbial wheel as the leaders/owners of the KC Chiefs.

Guru
12-28-2007, 08:51 PM
Clark does not care people.
To be honest, I don't care if he cares about the fans or not. I just want him to care about winning a SB!!!

greg63
12-28-2007, 08:52 PM
I have access to Clark Hunt through a third party, and I know he reads my stuff from time to time. I could do it.

:LOL:

greg63
12-28-2007, 08:53 PM
To be honest, I don't care if he cares about the fans or not. I just want him to care about winning a SB!!!

Same here.

Count Zarth
12-28-2007, 08:56 PM
Look at what Knicks fans are doing:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6862/87777791cv3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Mecca
12-28-2007, 08:58 PM
I think the Chiefs care far more about making money than they do about winning Superbowls.

I think they care more where they rate in Forbes in value of NFL franchises than they do in Superbowl championships.

Skip Towne
12-28-2007, 08:59 PM
:LOL:
What is even funnier is the fact he continues to try to act the bigshot while knowing we all know what he actually is. ROFL

ChiefaRoo
12-28-2007, 09:01 PM
Look at what Knicks fans are doing:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6862/87777791cv3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Who's that goofy, young looking Skip with the glasses and 'stache in the lower right corner? Nice hat.

greg63
12-28-2007, 09:05 PM
FWIW, here's the letter I emailed CH a couple of years ago, and his reply:

Our letter of January 6, 06:

Dear Mr. Hunt,

Due to the urgency of this letter we have chosen electronic mail in order to expedite contacting you about the following matter. Please accept our apologies. We the undersigned represent merely the tip of the giant iceberg that is the community of Kansas City Chiefs devoted fans and supporters. We recognize and appreciate the greatness of the gift that your father Mr. Lamar Hunt brought to us decades ago. We recognize and appreciate the class organization that your father, as the owner of the Chiefs, has maintained. And, We recognize and appreciate your family’s affection and concern for Kansas City that transcends sports.

In the spirit of the said class we are sad to lose to retirement one of the classiest coaches in the history of the NFL. Mr. Vermeil brought us a team to be proud of and an offensive system that is legendary. We recognize and appreciate the contributions of Mr. Carl Peterson to the creation of this team, that, if not for a string of bad luck and occasional shortcomings of a young and improving defense, would be a Super Bowl favorite.

As you have taken an active role in the operation of the Chiefs, we would like to bring the following concern to your capable attention:

The current edition of the Kansas City Chiefs is only a few minor adjustments away from greatness. The offense is prolific and the defense is on its way to respectability. With that in mind, we feel stability in the coaching transition is absolutely necessary. While there may be qualified candidates outside of the Chiefs organization, we feel that by far the best candidate to carry on the Vermeil legacy and the great offensive tradition is Al Saunders. Al is a proven coach with extensive experience in all facets of coaching in the NFL. The concern that prompted us to write you is the disappointing rumor that Mr. Peterson may be looking for someone more expressively subordinate to himself for the position of the Chiefs head coach. We hope these rumors are untrue, but we appeal to your sense of leadership to step in to find out if there is substance to the rumor and, if so, to stop personal practices by which a potentially brilliant head coach might be lost to other competitors. We trust your leadership will prove priceless in preventing the dismantling of the best offensive system the Chiefs have ever had and derailing the defensive development that is in progress.

Respectfully yours,
(Names protected)

And here's his response of MARCH 20, 06!!:

Dear Friends of the Chiefs:

Thank you for your interest in the future of the Chiefs. It is my firm belief that the foundation of the team begins with the support and dedication of the fans and the people of Kansas City . It is an exciting time to be a Chiefs fan as we look forward to the 2006 season.

The last couple of months have marked a period of transition for our organization. While we are sad to see Coach Vermeil and Carol retire from the sport of football, we wish them well and thank them for five great years of remarkable service to the organization, the fans and the Kansas City community.

As you are no doubt aware, in addition to the departure of Dick and Carol, Al Saunders, our offensive coordinator for the last five years, left to become the offensive coordinator of the Washington Redskins. Al is a great coach who is loved by colleagues and fans alike. We know he will do an outstanding job in Washington .

But as we send our warmest well wishes to our departing coaches, we look toward the future with great anticipation. We are excited to enter the Herman Edwards era. Coach Edwards is a proven winner, and his intensity, leadership and passion for excellence are a perfect fit for the Chiefs. He has assembled a strong coaching staff comprised of veterans and energetic young talent which we feel will compliment our players on the field and in the locker room.

We look forward to great things in the future. On behalf of the entire Kansas City Chiefs Football Club, I thank you for your interest and continued support.


Sincerely,



Clark K. Hunt
Chairman


As you see it took 2.5 months to get his response. AFTER the deed was done already. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Wow did Carl and Herm pull the wool over his eyes.

ChiefsCountry
12-28-2007, 09:10 PM
If you guys wrote a letter asking for a better coach than Al Saunders you might have gotten an answer quicker. That was mistake #1. Saunders would have been worse hire than Herm by far.

greg63
12-28-2007, 09:14 PM
What is even funnier is the fact he continues to try to act the bigshot while knowing we all know what he actually is. ROFL


Yep.

Halfcan
12-28-2007, 09:20 PM
I think the Chiefs care far more about making money than they do about winning Superbowls.

I think they care more where they rate in Forbes in value of NFL franchises than they do in Superbowl championships.

This post is money right there-no pun intended.

Even Clark knows its all the fair weather, pussy Chiefs fans fault that the season and team sucks. We need to man up and take the blame.

Halfcan
12-28-2007, 09:20 PM
I opened up a chiefs shirt for Christmas and threw up a little in the back of my mouth.

greg63
12-28-2007, 09:22 PM
This post is money right there-no pun intended.

Even Clark knows its all the fair weather, pussy Chiefs fans fault that the season and team sucks. We need to man up and take the blame.

What's up dude?

Messier
12-28-2007, 09:23 PM
Look at what Knicks fans are doing:

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6862/87777791cv3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


If you want to go ahead and picket Arrowhead with signs calling for Carl and Herm to be fired, go ahead. And if it works and Hunt fires Herm and Carl directly because of this grassroots effort I will admit all the hatred worked .

On a side note Goatse, I still remember you as a Herm supporter, I know you've changed your mind, but really? This far? From Herm's not bad, to Herm must go, let's protest. All in one season, well, really more like half a season.

Halfcan
12-28-2007, 09:41 PM
What's up dude?

In between looking at the Girlie thread-I am writing a snotty letter to Carl- I am beggining to not like his attitude- :)

Iowanian
12-28-2007, 10:25 PM
I have no doubt that the Hunt family loves the team that Lamar built. I have zero doubt about that. I can't imagine that Clark and Co don't want this team to be successful, for both their financial gain, but to honor his father's memory and hard work.

I will however have to SEE action.

He HAS to know this isn't about 1 year. Its not about the last 10 years of suck.....Its about the 20something years of suck since the past superbowl appearance, interupted only by a decade of hope and gutwrenching disappointment in the 90s.

This Loyal fanbase deserves better.

Logical
12-29-2007, 12:05 AM
What other GM has total control of being president and CEO?Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder to name two, course they also own their teams.

greg63
12-29-2007, 12:51 AM
In between looking at the Girlie thread-I am writing a snotty letter to Carl- I am beggining to not like his attitude- :)

Ooooo! can I sign it too?

kc1977
12-29-2007, 08:51 AM
Would he care if he were aware? I'm wondering if we need to tattle on the idiots over at Arrowhead.

I haven't the time, but maybe if someone were to print all the kcchiefs.com columns in which Chiefs fans are insulted and degraded and highlight the specific lines that seem over-the-top. Send it to Clark in Dallas or where ever he's residing these days. Perhaps that would impact his offseason decisions.

Insulting the fan-base is so chicken-shit it's embarrassing. I wonder what would happen if I started insulting my customers two or three times a week. These homeowners are so stupid they don't deserve to even own homes. Wow.

Is this a dumb idea?

I think the behavior coming out of One Arrowhead is just pathetic. I've followed the Chiefs and NFL in general for as long as I've had access to a television. But I'm very quickly being driven to watch Saturday football and it has little to do with how badly my Chiefs are performing.

This is just a case of the fans thinking they actually have any power. Get real. I live in St. Loser, and to my delight, the Cardinals do this to their fans, too. But guess what, THEY KEEP COMING, just like Chiefs fans. And they aren't going anywhere, just like Chiefs fans.

Sure, their stadiums may get marginally emptier, but those tickets are still sold. Pro sports is all about status these days, and being at the big event is more a social status thing than wanting to go see the big event. So, if teams are losing, people will just not go. But give up their right to go if it suddenly becomes a big event again? No.

Pro Sports has changed. They've priced out the fans that actually care about sports. I won't go to more than 1 game per year, as that's all I can take of continually having people go on their beer runs right in front of me as a play is going on.

Dipshits care more about refilling their beer than watching the play on the field. They want to get drunk at their social event.

That's pro sports for you.

And that's why this thread is silly.

siberian khatru
12-29-2007, 10:27 AM
This is just a case of the fans thinking they actually have any power. Get real. I live in St. Loser, and to my delight, the Cardinals do this to their fans, too. But guess what, THEY KEEP COMING, just like Chiefs fans. And they aren't going anywhere, just like Chiefs fans.



At least the Cardinals won a championship a couple of years ago.

I'd put up with a lot of Carl's BS if he could deliver on his arrogance. Bill Belichick is a bigger dickbag than Carl, but he has every right to be. If I were a Patriots fan, and BB told me to my face to **** off, I'd still kiss his ass for giving me a shitload of Super Bowls.

ChiefsCountry
12-29-2007, 11:23 AM
I think Clark and the family are aware of the problems. Heck its Clark's little brother moved to KC to run the stadium renovation project, to be the overseer. So Peterson isnt the one in charge of that. I think Peterson might be on the hot seat more than Herm.

Mecca
12-29-2007, 11:26 AM
If you fire a GM and hire a new one, the coach basically can't be retained. He's going to want his guys, if you make him retain people then he's a lame duck or he isn't gonna take the job..

Sounds familiar with this organization.

ChiefsCountry
12-29-2007, 11:34 AM
If you fire a GM and hire a new one, the coach basically can't be retained. He's going to want his guys, if you make him retain people then he's a lame duck or he isn't gonna take the job..

Sounds familiar with this organization.

Not neccessarilly. I think you can give a new GM a year to see if he wants to keep the coach or not.

Mecca
12-29-2007, 11:37 AM
That's just something that never happens, especially after you just won 4 or 5 games...

It's like Carl making people be retained, it makes guys lame ducks and real coaches wouldn't take the job with those guidelines.

FringeNC
12-29-2007, 12:13 PM
I was thinking....

Even if Carl is not on the hot seat with Clark, is he not on the hot seat around KC? Imagine what it must be like for him. He is a hated public figure. And I doubt his ego can handle that very well.

So...if you are Carl, and you want to placate the fans for awhile, and shift focus away from your own failures, what can you do? Throw Herm under the bus. My guess is that Carl realizes he has to shake things up a little, and the question is whether firing Solari will be enough to buy Carl some time. Herm probably won't be shit-canned, but I think the chances are higher than a lot of people think -- It's not that much of a long-shot. Gun only got two years, and we were never at these depths under Gun.

Mr. Laz
12-29-2007, 12:16 PM
I think Clark and the family are aware of the problems. Heck its Clark's little brother moved to KC to run the stadium renovation project, to be the overseer. So Peterson isnt the one in charge of that. I think Peterson might be on the hot seat more than Herm.
i hope so

CoMoChief
12-29-2007, 12:25 PM
Im as frustrated as anyone but to assume somehow that Clark Hunt is not involved, does not care, or somehow is not paying attention is the most absurd thing Ive seen...Hes not gonna go apeshit like a poster on here and run about doing stupid things while the season is still not over...

Hate on Carl, Hate on Herm...but dont underestimate the owners committment to the franchise. Thats silly.
Meanwhile Clark sits back and lets Carl do his annual offseason GM evaluation.

Carl: "Well I think I'm doing a good job this season. We didn't make the playoffs, but we filled up Arrowhead. I think I'm just gonna sign myself to an extension and call it a day."