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Que Card QB
12-29-2007, 12:18 PM
Carl retains GM position as Missouri and Kansas fans flock to Arrowhead in droves for 08.

I'm just sayin'.

Mr. Laz
12-29-2007, 12:19 PM
as a KU fan, drafting Talib isn't gonna make one bit of difference about my feeling towards the Chiefs.



[/edit] in fact, it might make me more pissed because i don't believe Talib is worth a top-10 pick ...... maybe not even 1st round. I think he ends up being a safety in the NFL.

a bad draft pick isn't gonna make me happy, even if it's a KU player.

cdcox
12-29-2007, 12:21 PM
More likely that the Cheifs would draft Ryans or Brohms.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 12:21 PM
I'd throw up twice.

Daniel is never going to be an NFL caliber QB and Talib is over-rated.

Simplex3
12-29-2007, 12:21 PM
Sorry, but that never works.

OnTheWarpath58
12-29-2007, 12:22 PM
I would DEFINITELY not renew my season tickets if that were to happen.

Daniel goes without saying, but my God, you could clock Talib's 40 time with a ****ing sundial.

Simplex3
12-29-2007, 12:24 PM
Has anyone ever figured out why the NFL doesn't make the guys do their 40 in full gear? Isn't that the only way to really test their speed?

Mecca
12-29-2007, 12:24 PM
I'd throw up twice.

Daniel is never going to be an NFL caliber QB and Talib is over-rated.

It's funny to see all the Mizzou fans that think Chase Daniel has an NFL future.

Simplex3
12-29-2007, 12:26 PM
It's funny to see all the Mizzou fans that think Chase Daniel has an NFL future.
He has a future.

Riding the bench as a backup, which frankly is the best damn job in the NFL.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 12:27 PM
It's funny to see all the Mizzou fans that think Chase Daniel has an NFL future.Some of the rational ones don't. If people look at me and think I'm an NFL style QB, then Chase Daniel might have a chance.

Being 5'10" and 200 pounds doesn't translate well.

Look at Troy Smith. He won the Heisman for f*cks sake, and got drafted in the 5th round. Will he ever start in the NFL, probably not. Kyle Boller started ahead of him. Why? Because he's tiny. Daniel is just as tiny and didn't play at a program like Ohio State.

Mecca
12-29-2007, 12:28 PM
I'm not sure Daniel even has a future as a backup....to me he's like Stefan LeFors who's up in Canada now.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 12:30 PM
I'm not sure Daniel even has a future as a backup....to me he's like Stefan LeFors who's up in Canada now.He has a future in telling the people he sells cars to it's "Daniel" and not "Daniels".

CoMoChief
12-29-2007, 12:32 PM
Some of the rational ones don't. If people look at me and think I'm an NFL style QB, then Chase Daniel might have a chance.

Being 5'10" and 200 pounds doesn't translate well.

Look at Troy Smith. He won the Heisman for f*cks sake, and got drafted in the 3rd round. Will he ever start in the NFL, probably not. Kyle Boller started ahead of him. Why? Because he's tiny. Daniel is just as tiny and didn't play at a program like Ohio State.
Daniel knows how to be a winner.

He also doesnt make retarded mistakes. He's a great decision maker.

that will alone help him in the NFL more than anything.

He has a good arm.

Cochise
12-29-2007, 12:33 PM
If he really does run a 4.7... can you even play safety in the NFL with 4.7 speed?

Mecca
12-29-2007, 12:34 PM
If he really does run a 4.7... can you even play safety in the NFL with 4.7 speed?

Yea if you are really smart and get in position all the time and basically know the ins and outs of the position, which he's never played.

jjchieffan
12-29-2007, 12:35 PM
I don't think Daniels is even draft eligible this year. Is he?

Mecca
12-29-2007, 12:36 PM
I don't think Daniels is even draft eligible this year. Is he?

No he's not because he's not coming out, he can wait to get drafted in the 6th round till next year.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 12:37 PM
Daniel knows how to be a winner.

He also doesnt make retarded mistakes. He's a great decision maker.

that will alone help him in the NFL more than anything.

He has a good arm.Daniel can't see over his linemen as it is right now. He doesn't run a pro-style offense right now. I suppose if every team is willing to run a spread-offense through the shotgun every down he has a chance.

Mecca
12-29-2007, 12:39 PM
Daniel can't see over his linemen as it is right now. He doesn't run a pro-style offense right now. I suppose if every team is willing to run a spread-offense through the shotgun every down he has a chance.

Anyone who ever says Chase Daniel can be a starting QB in the NFL or thinks well of him to that level, but not once question someone like Matt Ryan because well Ryan shits on Daniel.

jjchieffan
12-29-2007, 12:39 PM
I meant that he is a sophomore. Don't you have to be a junior, or 3 years out of high school, or something like that to enter the draft?

Mecca
12-29-2007, 12:40 PM
Um he is a junior.

Cochise
12-29-2007, 12:40 PM
Yea if you are really smart and get in position all the time and basically know the ins and outs of the position, which he's never played.

I don't see how he can be first round corner talent. A lot of guys with elite speed and all the physical tools wash out at corner in the NFL.

How can you spend a first round pick on a guy who, maybe, can learn to play a position that he's never played.. and speed-wise he might be at a disadvantage to start with?

Pablo
12-29-2007, 12:40 PM
This dream of seeing Daniel in the NFL is about as reasonable as seeing Todd Reesing in the NFL.

Do any of you MU fans think Reesing has a chance in the NFL?

No. Why? He's the same size as Chase Daniel. Reesing has the same intangibles Daniel does, he has similar numbers and decision making ability, and a pretty good arm. That doesn't change the fact that he's 5'10".

Just because Daniel plays at Mizzou, he's not going to get drafted before the 6th round at best. And he'll sit on the bench or run a practice squad for maybe one or two seasons, before using his local celebrity to open a car dealership in CoMo.

leviw
12-29-2007, 12:41 PM
I meant that he is a sophomore. Don't you have to be a junior, or 3 years out of high school, or something like that to enter the draft?

He's a junior and his name is DANIEL.

jjchieffan
12-29-2007, 12:42 PM
oh, I guess he is. I don't know why I thought he was a sophomore.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 12:42 PM
I don't see how he can be first round corner talent. A lot of guys with elite speed and all the physical tools wash out at corner in the NFL.

How can you spend a first round pick on a guy who, maybe, can learn to play a position that he's never played.. and speed-wise he might be at a disadvantage to start with?As a KU fan, Talib is not a first-round talent. If we could get him late 2nd, early 3rd, he'd be worth the risk. That's it.

Cochise
12-29-2007, 12:42 PM
This dream of seeing Daniel in the NFL is about as reasonable as seeing Todd Reesing in the NFL.

Do any of you MU fans think Reesing has a chance in the NFL?

No. Why? He's the same size as Chase Daniel. Reesing has the same intangibles Daniel does, he has similar numbers and decision making ability, and a pretty good arm. That doesn't change the fact that he's 5'10".


Daniel is a lot better than Reesing. I'm not saying that Daniel is going to play in the NFL. Just saying. I don't think you could find anyone anywhere that would pick Reesing over Daniel. If you could... they might need to be institutionalized.

Mecca
12-29-2007, 12:43 PM
I don't see how he can be first round corner talent. A lot of guys with elite speed and all the physical tools wash out at corner in the NFL.

How can you spend a first round pick on a guy who, maybe, can learn to play a position that he's never played.. and speed-wise he might be at a disadvantage to start with?

When I see him, I think of Charles Gordon who had hype and then by the time the draft rolled around he became a what 6th round pick or a UDFA?

jjchieffan
12-29-2007, 12:43 PM
his name is DANIEL.

I did know that. Oops.

Cochise
12-29-2007, 12:45 PM
As a KU fan, Talib is not a first-round talent. If we could get him late 2nd, early 3rd, he'd be worth the risk. That's it.

Maybe he could play safety... but we've already got a Jarrad Page

Cochise
12-29-2007, 12:45 PM
When I see him, I think of Charles Gordon who had hype and then by the time the draft rolled around he became a what 6th round pick or a UDFA?

If he runs that slow at the combine he'll drop like a rock I bet

Pablo
12-29-2007, 12:46 PM
Maybe he could play safety... but we've already got a Jarrad PageYep..that's about it, and I'd take Page right now over Talib.

Mecca
12-29-2007, 12:47 PM
It's also an extremely deep corner year, one **** up will drop you rounds, behind tons of guys.

leviw
12-29-2007, 12:48 PM
Talib ran a 4.46 and a 4.59 at his pro day last year.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 12:49 PM
Daniel is a lot better than Reesing. I'm not saying that Daniel is going to play in the NFL. Just saying. I don't think you could find anyone anywhere that would pick Reesing over Daniel. If you could... they might need to be institutionalized.Daniel has/had a better supporting cast.

Give Reesing a couple of guys like Rucker, Coffman, or Maclin and he's somehow amazing. Daniel is a better QB than Reesing. If I had to give them ratings I'd say Daniel is an 8/10 and Reesing is a 7/10. They're fairly similar in a lot of ways, but neither one is a reasonable draft prospect.

banyon
12-29-2007, 12:50 PM
Look at Troy Smith. He won the Heisman for f*cks sake, and got drafted in the 3rd round. Will he ever start in the NFL, probably not. Kyle Boller started ahead of him. Why? Because he's tiny. Daniel is just as tiny and didn't play at a program like Ohio State.

5th Round.

Mecca
12-29-2007, 12:50 PM
Talib would be a shitty pick anyway because for an example of how deep this CB year is...

Terrell Thomas is the #10 ranked corner and that's without underclassmen factored in.

leviw
12-29-2007, 12:51 PM
It's also an extremely deep corner year, one **** up will drop you rounds, behind tons of guys.

He is also a junior, and doesn't have to enter this deep corner class.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 12:51 PM
5th Round.Damn. I thought it was 3rd.

See, Daniel fans? 5th Round for a Heisman trophy winner coming out of OSU. Daniel is effed hard.

Thig Lyfe
12-29-2007, 12:55 PM
Look at Troy Smith. He won the Heisman for f*cks sake, and got drafted in the 5th round. Will he ever start in the NFL, probably not.

He already has.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 12:59 PM
He already has.You're correct. He has started 1 game. I suppose I should have said he will not be a consistent starter.

Kyle Boller got hurt. So it took Air McNair and Kyle Boller getting injured before Smith made his start. Those are the kinds of circumstances Daniel would need to start a game in the NFL. The two QB's ahead of him get injured and he plays trash-time.

Cochise
12-29-2007, 12:59 PM
Damn. I thought it was 3rd.

See, Daniel fans? 5th Round for a Heisman trophy winner coming out of OSU. Daniel is effed hard.

So... has the Heisman recently become a ticket to NFL glory or something?

Pablo
12-29-2007, 01:00 PM
So... has the Heisman recently become a ticket to NFL glory or something?No, but it definately enhances your draft status.

Mecca
12-29-2007, 01:00 PM
I think he's pointing out that Smith was a more successful college QB and look how low he got picked.

Cochise
12-29-2007, 01:02 PM
No, but it definately enhances your draft status.

LMAO it doesn't mean crap for your draft status.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 01:03 PM
I think he's pointing out that Smith was a more successful college QB and look how low he got picked.Exactly. Daniel has the potential to be a fairly successful college QB as well. Will he be the Heisman winner next year, I doubt it.

Tebow could repeat.
Chris Wells will probably go off the charts.

Skip Towne
12-29-2007, 01:07 PM
LMAO it doesn't mean crap for your draft status.
Look what it did for Jason White.

leviw
12-29-2007, 01:07 PM
Look what it did for Jason White.

...and Eric Crouch.

Skip Towne
12-29-2007, 01:12 PM
...and Eric Crouch.
And Charlie Ward

Skip Towne
12-29-2007, 01:14 PM
And Charlie Ward
And Chris Weinke

Cochise
12-29-2007, 01:15 PM
And Chris Weinke and Ron Dayne and Rashaan Salaam and Gino Toretta...

And hell, Reggie Bush for that matter.

Mr. Laz
12-29-2007, 01:20 PM
hey .... at least it took 20 post before this became a KU/MU pissing match.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 01:25 PM
Yeah yeah I get it. I didn't say all Heisman trophy winners are destined to be great NFL players.

Dayne did go in the 1st round however. I'm sure winning the Heisman was really detrimental to his draft status. It doesn't matter if it helps out by 1 pick or one round. The Heisman trophy enhances your draft status. It makes you a bit more marketable.

Are there more important criteria for evaluating a player? Yes. Is the Heisman winner something fans and coaching staffs alike look at in a positive manner, yes. It's not the determinant for great NFL players, but it's not a black mark either.

Winning the Heisman is beneficial to a players draft status and/or resume. It is not detrimental. There are exceptions to this rule, but overall, it isn't a bad thing to win the Heisman.

leviw
12-29-2007, 01:25 PM
And Chris Weinke and Ron Dayne and Rashaan Salaam and Gino Toretta...

And hell, Reggie Bush for that matter.

[reading the future] ...and Tim Tebow [/future telling]

KCrockaholic
12-29-2007, 02:40 PM
the best thing Chase Daniel has going for him is that he is a very smart player...hes a football player, sure hes only about 5'11 7/8 and weighs around 220 i believe but Drew Brees is only 6 feet tall and last time i checked he is one the the better QB's in the NFL. Last year he was unstoppable. Now i dont think Chase DANIEL will go on in the NFL and set all kinds of records and throw for 300TDs in his career but you cant second guess a football player that is as smart as Daniel just because hes a couple inches under what most NFL QB's stand at right now. The guy has great accuracy on his throws, so comparing him to Troy Smith is just dumb. Daniel is nothing like Troy Smith. 2 inches is not going to make or break a QB in the NFL. its just about if the guy can make plays and not put his team in positions where they cant recover. Doug Flutie did fine in the NFL at only 5'9. yeah he wasnt the best or anything but the man knew how to play football. Otto Graham was only 6'1 and he is one of footballs best legends. and possibly the best short QB in NFL history is Fran Tarkenton of the Vikings. he only stood at 6'0 just like Brees....Chase will likely sit the bench after he is in the NFL for a couple years but all im saying is you cant count him out before hes even gotten a chance

Pablo
12-29-2007, 02:44 PM
Daniel isn't 6'0".

He's really about 5'10".

Two inches doesn't make all the difference in the world, but it does at the QB position. I'm sure it's fairly difficult for Brees to see over his line at times, and Daniel is about two inches shorter.

There's a big difference between being 6'2" and 6'4", and being 5'10" and 6'0".

KCrockaholic
12-29-2007, 02:51 PM
Daniel isn't 6'0".

He's really about 5'10".

Two inches doesn't make all the difference in the world, but it does at the QB position. I'm sure it's fairly difficult for Brees to see over his line at times, and Daniel is about two inches shorter.

There's a big difference between being 6'2" and 6'4", and being 5'10" and 6'0".

have you stood next to him and measured? i didnt say he was 6'0 either. ive gone off of what all the scouting sites and NFL network has said. so how does that make him 5'10? i havent heard a single scout say he is 5'10, yet everyone on chiefsplanet thinks hes a midget.

Research it people!!!!!

Pablo
12-29-2007, 02:57 PM
have you stood next to him and measured? i didnt say he was 6'0 either. ive gone off of what all the scouting sites and NFL network has said. so how does that make him 5'10? i havent heard a single scout say he is 5'10, yet everyone on chiefsplanet thinks hes a midget.I've heard commentators and analysts alike all joke that he really stands about 5'9'', but I don't put a whole lot of stock into that. He's not 6'0''. Some sites say 6', some say 5'11", when analysts are making jokes about being 5'11" it's never a good thing.

5'10" is just a guess on my part, but I don't think 6' is correct on any level.

My highschool football program listed all of our players at a couple inches taller and heavier than they actually were. I'm sure college programs skew their stats a bit, not that badly, but he's not a tall QB, and doesn't have the natural body build of a NFL caliber QB.

And people I know that go to MU say he's "short". Not much of a compliment.

Que Card QB
12-29-2007, 03:34 PM
Check this out.

http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/index

HonestChieffan
12-29-2007, 04:28 PM
Sad but only Herm would actually do one or the other. It was inevitable that some dipsquat would start hyping Chase Daniel as a possible Chief.

blueballs
12-29-2007, 04:31 PM
The first one sounds like a drinking game
the second like a frisking at the airport

Que Card QB
12-29-2007, 04:51 PM
Sad but only Herm would actually do one or the other. It was inevitable that some dipsquat would start hyping Chase Daniel as a possible Chief.Hyping? You completely misunderstand.
I'm merely pointing out that if he's in the draft, CARL would consider it to sell tickets, as well as Talib. Carl sees the world in green, not red.