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acasas4
12-29-2007, 02:02 PM
I know it's popular opinion that the Chiefs should take an O lineman with their first round draft choice but I looked up all the winning superbowl quarterbacks at http://www.drafthistory.com/articles/article42.html and found that of the 41 winning teams 28 of them started a quarterback that they drafted. That's 68%. This site only goes through 2004 but the winners since then have been Brady, Roethlisberger and Manning. All were drafted by the teams they played for in the superbowl.
I know that some quarterbacks picked in the first round have been busts (and given Carl's draft history I am confident he could screw this up) but should the Chiefs take a QB with their first pick and build the offense around him? Croyle seems injury prone which was his knock coming out of college and it's mho that lineman can be had after the first pick and in free agency.
Food for thought.
Opinions?

Pablo
12-29-2007, 02:03 PM
We've been talking about this subject ad nauseam.

That's my opinion.

beach tribe
12-29-2007, 02:03 PM
Save it. Seriously.

RedThat
12-29-2007, 02:06 PM
I wouldn't be opposed at all for drafting a QB. In fact, Im all for it. I've heard some good things about Colt Brennan from Hawaii.

But with these coaches? I do not trust the minds of our current crop of coaches to develop a QB.

acasas4
12-29-2007, 02:12 PM
We've been talking about this subject ad nauseam.

That's my opinion.
Sorry, I don't come to this site that often and didn't realize it had been discussed that much.

beach tribe
12-29-2007, 02:20 PM
Sorry, I don't come to this site that often and didn't realize it had been discussed that much.
It's cool man. It's not gonna happen.

patteeu
12-29-2007, 02:25 PM
I know it's popular opinion that the Chiefs should take an O lineman with their first round draft choice but I looked up all the winning superbowl quarterbacks at http://www.drafthistory.com/articles/article42.html and found that of the 41 winning teams 28 of them started a quarterback that they drafted. That's 68%. This site only goes through 2004 but the winners since then have been Brady, Roethlisberger and Manning. All were drafted by the teams they played for in the superbowl.
I know that some quarterbacks picked in the first round have been busts (and given Carl's draft history I am confident he could screw this up) but should the Chiefs take a QB with their first pick and build the offense around him? Croyle seems injury prone which was his knock coming out of college and it's mho that lineman can be had after the first pick and in free agency.
Food for thought.
Opinions?

It depends. Is there a QB in this draft that's going to take his team to the Superbowl someday? If so, draft him.

The problem with looking at statistics like this is that they don't really give you much predictive power. It makes sense that the really high quality QBs would tend to stick with the teams that drafted them and that they'd also be disproportionately represented in the Superbowl. But the trick is to figure out which QBs are those guys and draft them, not to draft as many QBs as you can just hoping one will hit. If that were the key, the Chiefs could use all their picks on QBs until they finally found the guy.

I'd imagine that a similar analysis of Left Tackles would find that most superbowl winning LTs were drafted by their teams too.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 02:26 PM
Sorry, I don't come to this site that often and didn't realize it had been discussed that much.Oh, it's cool.

Didn't mean to sound like a dick or anything, but just look on the first three pages probably and you'll have plenty of opinions on drafting a QB.

patteeu
12-29-2007, 03:10 PM
As I suspected, of the 41 winning Superbowl teams, 26 of them drafted their starting LT. 5 more signed their starting LT as undrafted rookie free agents (Joe Jacoby and Mark Tuinei). So that's a total of 31 winning superbowl LTs who started their careers with the team they took to the superbowl.

Only 10 of the 41 got their LT from some other team.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 03:15 PM
As I suspected, of the 41 winning Superbowl teams, 26 of them drafted their starting LT. 5 more signed their starting LT as undrafted rookie free agents (Joe Jacoby and Mark Tuinei). So that's a total of 31 winning superbowl LTs who started their careers with the team they took to the superbowl.

Only 10 of the 41 got their LT from some other team.Nice research.

Mecca
12-29-2007, 03:17 PM
His research should be how many of them were first round picks......

Oddly of all of the top AFC teams right now their LT's were 2nd round picks.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 03:19 PM
His research should be how many of them were first round picks......

Oddly of all of the top AFC teams right now their LT's were 2nd round picks.
So maybe Gosder Cherilius is the answer?

Mecca
12-29-2007, 03:21 PM
If you are picking for upside possibilities, I like Barry Richardson, he has the size, the feet, the long arms. He needs coaching to be consistent, he was a 4 year starter at LT in the ACC.

Buehler445
12-29-2007, 03:26 PM
If you are picking for upside possibilities, I like Barry Richardson, he has the size, the feet, the long arms. He needs coaching to be consistent, he was a 4 year starter at LT in the ACC.

What team does he play for?

Mecca
12-29-2007, 03:28 PM
Clemson.

Pablo
12-29-2007, 03:30 PM
Clemson.Is he projected to go in the second or late first?

Mecca
12-29-2007, 03:31 PM
He's more of a 2nd round guy, I have no doubt he'll be on the board at the Chiefs 2nd pick.

Bane
12-29-2007, 03:32 PM
We prob shouldnt draft another QB untill we can bring in a coach with the skills needed to build an organization around a young QB.I dont believe Croyle is the answer we are looking for.

Buehler445
12-29-2007, 03:50 PM
Clemson.

Thanks Mecca. I appreciate it.

acesn8s
12-29-2007, 04:01 PM
His research should be how many of them were first round picks......

Oddly of all of the top AFC teams right now their LT's were 2nd round picks.IMO our problem is more than the LT position. Our entire line needs to be upgraded.

So my question is:What about the other o-line postions on winning SB teams? Where were they drafted? Were they still with that team come SB time?

banyon
12-29-2007, 04:02 PM
As I suspected, of the 41 winning Superbowl teams, 26 of them drafted their starting LT. 5 more signed their starting LT as undrafted rookie free agents (Joe Jacoby and Mark Tuinei). So that's a total of 31 winning superbowl LTs who started their careers with the team they took to the superbowl.

Only 10 of the 41 got their LT from some other team.

Holy hell you were bored today.

acasas4
12-29-2007, 04:08 PM
IMO our problem is more than the LT position. Our entire line needs to be upgraded.

I agree. Outside of Waters the only starter that will probably be here next year is McIntosh and he will be moved to RT.
The only problem I have with taking an OT in the first round is that I don't think we have a viable QB. Huard's not the answer and Croyle has a gun but we don't know if he can stay healthy. A good QB can't help much is he's always hurt.

patteeu
12-29-2007, 05:38 PM
Holy hell you were bored today.

LOL, yeah, I was. I didn't intend to look at all 41 superbowls when I started checking, but Wikipedia made it relatively easy by listing the starting lineups for every superbowl.

el borracho
12-29-2007, 05:47 PM
Well, I'm not opposed to taking a QB early but I don't think it is the absolute best plan. I would give Croyle one more year to convince me he can play in this league. If he does- great! If he doesn't- well, we're probably going to suck next year, anyway, and we can take a QB early in 2009.

patteeu
12-29-2007, 05:53 PM
His research should be how many of them were first round picks......

Oddly of all of the top AFC teams right now their LT's were 2nd round picks.

I researched it the way I did because that parallels what the thread starter did. Neither that method nor the method you recommend here tell us much about who we should draft though.

I don't have time to go back and figure out which of the individual players played in multiple superbowls, but out of 28 individual LTs who have won superbowls here is the breakdown:

1st Round: 8
2nd Round: 7
3rd Round: 4
4th Round: 2
5th Round: 1
8th Round: 1
11th Round: 1
Undrafted: 4

blueballs
12-29-2007, 05:53 PM
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