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cdcox
12-30-2007, 03:05 PM
WE DRAFT 4TH (25%) or 5 th (75%) PENDING THE OUTCOME OF TWO COIN FLIPS Details in thread.

I'm starting the 80th billionth thread on this subject. I'll keep the thread starter up to date so that people can see what is happening without wading through multiple threads.

If the Chiefs lose we will draft between the 3rd and 5th.

To get the 3rd we need:

A Chiefs loss

AND

An Oakland win

AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING TWO

{(A Denver Loss) -OR- ( a Coin Flip win)


To get the 4th we need:

A Chiefs loss

AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING THREE OUTCOMES

(An Oakland win) -OR- (A Denver Loss) -OR- (TWO Coin Flip wins)

To get the 5th we need:

A Chiefs loss


If the Chiefs win we will draft between the 6th and 8th.


To get the 6th we need:

KC to win (blah)

Oakland to win AND
Baltimore to win AND
Minnesota to win AND
Indy to win

To get the 7th we need:

KC to win (blah)

AND ONE OF THE FOLLOWING 2:

(Wins by Baltimore and Indy) -OR- Oakland win

Otherwise a KC win causes us to draft 8th

OnTheWarpath58
12-30-2007, 03:07 PM
So, we're picking 5th, if we lose.

SD isn't going to lose to OAK.

El Jefe
12-30-2007, 03:07 PM
Awesome, good thread.

KC kid
12-30-2007, 03:08 PM
I'm starting the 80th billionth thread on this subject. I'll keep the thread starter up to date so that people can see what is happening without wading through multiple threads.

If the Chiefs lose we will draft between the 3rd and 5th.

To get the 3rd we need:

A Chiefs loss

AND

An Oakland win

AND

{(A Denver Loss) -OR- (A Dallas win and a Coin Flip win)


To get the 4th we need:

A Chiefs loss

AND

(An Oakland win)

-OR-

(A Denver Loss)

-OR-

(A Dallas win and TWO Coin Flip wins)

To get the 4th we need:

A Chiefs loss



The scenarios for the Chiefs winning will be forth coming in a moment.

You're good. . . real good

KC kid
12-30-2007, 03:08 PM
So, we're picking 5th, if we lose.

SD isn't going to lose to OAK.

No, if we lose, we probably pick 4th

blueballs
12-30-2007, 03:09 PM
Mike Singletary for NFL Commish

acesn8s
12-30-2007, 03:10 PM
I don't question you but do you have a link for the draft tiebreakers? I'm just looking for conformation.

OnTheWarpath58
12-30-2007, 03:12 PM
No, if we lose, we probably pick 4th

He has a typo.

He has scenarios for the 4th pick twice.

The only way we pick 4th is if OAK wins, according to what he has listed.

pr_capone
12-30-2007, 03:14 PM
Question....

What are the scenarios if we happen to win this game?

KC kid
12-30-2007, 03:16 PM
He has a typo.

He has scenarios for the 4th pick twice.

The only way we pick 4th is if OAK wins, according to what he has listed.


no, what I am saying is there are a lot of "ors" for the 4th pick. If any one of the ors happens, we get the 4th

pr_capone
12-30-2007, 03:16 PM
Also... wasnt there a scenario where we picked up a 2nd if Atlanta won or sumthing?

OnTheWarpath58
12-30-2007, 03:16 PM
Question....

What are the scenarios if we happen to win this game?

He's working on it, but I think it's impossible to pick later than 8th.

OnTheWarpath58
12-30-2007, 03:19 PM
no, what I am saying is there are a lot of "ors" for the 4th pick. If any one of the ors happens, we get the 4th

To get the 4th we need:

A Chiefs loss

AND

(An Oakland win)

-OR-

(A Denver Loss)

-OR-

(A Dallas win and TWO Coin Flip wins)



A KC loss AND an OAK win.

Without the OAK win, the "or" scenarios mean nothing.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 03:22 PM
Also... wasnt there a scenario where we picked up a 2nd if Atlanta won or sumthing?

That's dead. The best we can do is 3rd.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 03:23 PM
Thread starter fixed, but still working on the Chiefs win scenarios.

mylittlepony
12-30-2007, 03:25 PM
How is the number 2 dead?

Rudy lost the toss
12-30-2007, 03:29 PM
To get the 4th we need:

A Chiefs loss

AND

(An Oakland win)

-OR-

(A Denver Loss)

-OR-

(A Dallas win and TWO Coin Flip wins)



A KC loss AND an OAK win.

Without the OAK win, the "or" scenarios mean nothing.

Im confused. Im reading it like chiefs loss AND 1 of 3 scenarios must happen (including OAK win)

cdcox
12-30-2007, 03:29 PM
How is the number 2 dead?

We can't pass St. L on SOS.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 03:30 PM
To get the 4th we need:

A Chiefs loss

AND

(An Oakland win)

-OR-

(A Denver Loss)

-OR-

(A Dallas win and TWO Coin Flip wins)



A KC loss AND an OAK win.

Without the OAK win, the "or" scenarios mean nothing.

No we only need one of the -OR- statements to happen, including the Oakland win.

Rudy lost the toss
12-30-2007, 03:31 PM
Sounds good! lets go vikings!

BigMeatballDave
12-30-2007, 03:31 PM
Im confused. Im reading it like chiefs loss AND 1 of 3 scenarios must happen (including OAK win)So am I...

Rudy lost the toss
12-30-2007, 03:32 PM
TD Vikings!

acesn8s
12-30-2007, 03:32 PM
Currently we are picking.....?

mylittlepony
12-30-2007, 03:33 PM
I got it. ATL beating SEA counted as only 1 instead of two cause the double meetings and CLE beating SF was really damaging aswell. Then them beeting their in div rival would give them 0 in division team wins. And we have OAK vs SD giving us atleast +2.

Did I sort of get that right?

FringeNC
12-30-2007, 03:33 PM
**** Bob Gretz.

wrong thread -- but still f'im.

Rudy lost the toss
12-30-2007, 03:34 PM
Washington 7-0. Damn....even though I hate the boys

cdcox
12-30-2007, 03:37 PM
So am I...

That is correct.

Rudy lost the toss
12-30-2007, 03:37 PM
TD Vikings!
BTW the refs took it back...fumble and touchback

0-0

OnTheWarpath58
12-30-2007, 03:45 PM
TD Raiders, thanks to a Rivers fumble.

7-7.

jynni
12-30-2007, 03:49 PM
So what happens if this game ends in a 0-0 tie?

acesn8s
12-30-2007, 03:51 PM
So what happens if this game ends in a 0-0 tie?A new thread gets started

pr_capone
12-30-2007, 03:51 PM
So what happens if this game ends in a 0-0 tie?

Jeez..... this might just take place.

They are both playing like they don't want to win. lol

cdcox
12-30-2007, 03:53 PM
Okay, I think I finally got the Chiefs win scenarios right....

OnTheWarpath58
12-30-2007, 03:55 PM
So what happens if this game ends in a 0-0 tie?

I thought I read somewhere that for winiung percentage computing purposes, our record would look like this:

3.5-11.5

Winning percentage of .21875

mylittlepony
12-30-2007, 04:28 PM
How are we affected by the Dallas game?

cdcox
12-30-2007, 04:29 PM
How are we affected by the Dallas game?

Not.

Edit: I'm an idiot, see below.

shyguyms
12-30-2007, 04:31 PM
San Francisco 5 11 0 .313 219 364 Lost 1 3-3 4-8
Oakland 4 11 0 .267 266 368 Lost 3 2-3 4-7
Kansas City 4 11 0 .267 216 322 Lost 8 2-4 3-8
Baltimore 4 11 0 .267 248 363 Lost 9 0-5 1-10
Atlanta 4 12 0 .250 259 414 Won 1 1-5 3-9
NY Jets 3 12 0 .200 255 345 Lost 3 2-4 3-8
St. Louis 3 12 0 .200 244 390 Lost 3 1-4 3-8
Miami 1 15 0 .063 267 437 Lost 2 0-6 1-11

after we lose we will drop below Atl, the jets will jump us, i the Rams win they are 4-8 conf so they jump us, A Baltimore win makes them 5-11 so i think this thread is totally wrong the Chiefs will get the 2nd pick with all of this happening

mylittlepony
12-30-2007, 04:32 PM
Oh, sorry I just read the first post. So really the only two things that effect us is the DEN game our game and the OAK game?

cdcox
12-30-2007, 04:34 PM
San Francisco 5 11 0 .313 219 364 Lost 1 3-3 4-8
Oakland 4 11 0 .267 266 368 Lost 3 2-3 4-7
Kansas City 4 11 0 .267 216 322 Lost 8 2-4 3-8
Baltimore 4 11 0 .267 248 363 Lost 9 0-5 1-10
Atlanta 4 12 0 .250 259 414 Won 1 1-5 3-9
NY Jets 3 12 0 .200 255 345 Lost 3 2-4 3-8
St. Louis 3 12 0 .200 244 390 Lost 3 1-4 3-8
Miami 1 15 0 .063 267 437 Lost 2 0-6 1-11

after we lose we will drop below Atl, the jets will jump us, i the Rams win they are 4-8 conf so they jump us, A Baltimore win makes them 5-11 so i think this thread is totally wrong the Chiefs will get the 2nd pick with all of this happening

Trust me, we cannot get in front of St. Louis on SOS.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 04:35 PM
Oh, sorry I just read the first post. So really the only two things that effect us is the DEN game our game and the OAK game?

Depends on if the Cheifs win or lose. EVERYTHING is in the thread starter.

mylittlepony
12-30-2007, 04:37 PM
Yeah but the thread starter said something about Dallas thats why I was asking.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 04:40 PM
Oh, sorry I just read the first post. So really the only two things that effect us is the DEN game our game and the OAK game?


Sorry, I'm an idiot. Yes, the Dallas game could affect the SOS of Atlanta. We want Dallas to win.

mylittlepony
12-30-2007, 04:45 PM
But ATL never played Dallas they played the AFC west and NYG. So DAL doesnt matter?

Mecca
12-30-2007, 04:47 PM
It doesn't matter....the Rams and Dallas are both going to lose.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 04:50 PM
But ATL never played Dallas they played the AFC west and NYG. So DAL doesnt matter?

I'm an idiot yet again. Dallas does not matter. That's my final answer.



My software doesn't spit out scenarios. So I have to enter various game results manually. I had the Dallas game listed as one that mattered and so started moving that slider around. But it only mattered in scenarios ot get ahead of some other team. (I think).


Thread starter fixed again.

Thanks for persisting on this.

mylittlepony
12-30-2007, 04:51 PM
I think its great. Im very gratefull. I just dont want to cheer for Dallas unless I absolutly have to.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 04:54 PM
Based on the scores at this moment we would draft 4th or 5th. We'd have to have two coin flips go our way to draft 4th.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-30-2007, 04:57 PM
So Dallas has to win?

cdcox
12-30-2007, 05:01 PM
So Dallas has to win?

No. Doesn't matter.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-30-2007, 05:07 PM
So if things go the way they're going right now we will be drafting fourth or fifth based on two coin flips? By which two teams?

mylittlepony
12-30-2007, 05:08 PM
http://football.about.com/od/miscinformation/a/detdraftorder.htm

Is this true cause if it is its DIV-record after SOS (giving ATL an edge with a 1-5 div and then KC if the results remain as now with 2-4 shared with OAK but a worse conf record with 3-8 to Oaklands 4-7)?

acesn8s
12-30-2007, 05:09 PM
I think you are wrong in determining the order of the draft. you are using overall record and SOS only. I believe that the NFL tiebreakers are used unless you can provide a link stating otherwise.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 05:11 PM
So if things go the way they're going right now we will be drafting fourth or fifth based on two coin flips? By which two teams?

This is all based on the scores we have now.

We'd be in a 3-way tie with Oakland and Atlanta, all three teams having the same record and AND the same SOS.

We first have to break the tie with Oakland since they in our division. Without going into the details, Oakland would draft first based on the outcome of that tiebreaker.

So the first coin flip would be between Atlanta and Oakland. We want Oakland to win that coin flip, such that they would get to draft in the 3rd slot.

Then, we would be in a coin flip with the Falcons over the 4th and 5th spot.

OnTheWarpath58
12-30-2007, 05:13 PM
I think you are wrong in determining the order of the draft. you are using overall record and SOS only. I believe that the NFL tiebreakers are used unless you can provide a link stating otherwise.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update

Draft positions are determined by record, the team with the worst record during the regular season picks first and so on. If two teams have the same record, the strength of schedule tie-breaker is used which is the combined winning percentage of all teams on each team's schedule for the current season. If teams are still tied after strength of schedule has been applied, the division or conference tie breakers are used. If teams are still tied after applying all tiebreakers or if two teams are tied that are in different conferences, a coin toss after the season will determnined which team gets priority.

The Super Bowl winner automatically picks 32nd while the Super Bowl loser picks 31st regardless of regular season record. All other playoff teams are placed in the selection order based on their regular season record upon losing their playoff game. If a playoff team and a non-playoff team are tied based on regular season record, the non-playoff team will pick first. If two playoff teams are tied based on regular season record, the team that lost in the earlier round of the playoffs will select first. If both playoff teams that have the same record exited the playoffs in the same round, the strength-of-schedule tiebreaker is applied.


Record
SOS
Division record (only applies if in same division)
Conference record (only applies if in same conference)
Coin flip

banyon
12-30-2007, 05:13 PM
Looking like a 5th now.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 05:14 PM
I think you are wrong in determining the order of the draft. you are using overall record and SOS only. I believe that the NFL tiebreakers are used unless you can provide a link stating otherwise.


http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures


TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING

If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.

2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

mylittlepony
12-30-2007, 05:18 PM
So sorry for being a moron again but the Division tiebreaker wont split us from OAK cause we will have the same. But the Conferance is difference. So do we want a worse Conf record or a better in order to draft earlier?

mylittlepony
12-30-2007, 05:24 PM
This is all based on the scores we have now.

We'd be in a 3-way tie with Oakland and Atlanta, all three teams having the same record and AND the same SOS.

We first have to break the tie with Oakland since they in our division. Without going into the details, Oakland would draft first based on the outcome of that tiebreaker.

So the first coin flip would be between Atlanta and Oakland. We want Oakland to win that coin flip, such that they would get to draft in the 3rd slot.

Then, we would be in a coin flip with the Falcons over the 4th and 5th spot.

Sorry just read this. It explains my last question. Again thanks alot.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 05:25 PM
So sorry for being a moron again but the Division tiebreaker wont split us from OAK cause we will have the same. But the Conferance is difference. So do we want a worse Conf record or a better in order to draft earlier?

When I say Division tiebreaker, I mean the whole 11-step process. (see below).

We would have a better record in common games. (KC wins against SD and Minn compared to an Oakland win against Denver)


Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

5. Strength of victory.

6. Strength of schedule.

7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

9. Best net points in common games.

10. Best net points in all games.

11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-30-2007, 05:36 PM
24-17 SD leads, end of the 4th.

BigMeatballDave
12-30-2007, 05:59 PM
Looks like a 5th.

BigMeatballDave
12-30-2007, 06:01 PM
Damnit! Chiefs are driving. Don't **** up the 5th.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 06:07 PM
Tied score.

If we win we get the 7th.

If we lose we get the 4th (25%) or the 5th (75%).

ChiefGator
12-30-2007, 06:11 PM
Denver-Minnesota tied, with Denver attempting a 50 yard field goal with just a 45 seconds left.

Rudy lost the toss
12-30-2007, 06:11 PM
Minnesota's ball on own 35...39 seconds..1 TO. tie game

ChiefGator
12-30-2007, 06:11 PM
Denver-Minnesota tied, with Denver attempting a 50 yard field goal with just a 45 seconds left.

I take that back! They went for first down.. Minnesota ball with 44 seconds left... still tied.

Rudy lost the toss
12-30-2007, 06:12 PM
own 34...0 TO...31 seconds

cdcox
12-30-2007, 06:13 PM
I take that back! They went for first down.. Minnesota ball with 44 seconds left... still tied.

That would give us the 4th with a KC loss.

RINGLEADER
12-30-2007, 06:14 PM
C'mon Brodie -- toss an INT!

:)

RINGLEADER
12-30-2007, 06:15 PM
But after D-Bowe gets 1000

ChiefGator
12-30-2007, 06:15 PM
Is the Minnesota game going into overtime now? Watching it on CBSSportsline, and it is just frozen after the last minesota run with 24 seconds left.

RINGLEADER
12-30-2007, 06:16 PM
And 100 catches for Tony G!

Rudy lost the toss
12-30-2007, 06:16 PM
looks like OT for Denver. It seems like they win every OT game though

blueballs
12-30-2007, 06:17 PM
5

ChiefGator
12-30-2007, 06:20 PM
Damn, Minnesota fumble, recovered by Denver. That game is basically over....

RINGLEADER
12-30-2007, 06:21 PM
NFL.com tells me Tavaris Jackson fumbled and Denver has it inside Minnesota's 15. Looks like a fifth is the best we can do.

Chiefs Pantalones
12-30-2007, 06:21 PM
We better lose this game. It seems the Chiefs always mess things up.

RINGLEADER
12-30-2007, 06:21 PM
NFL.com tells me Tavaris Jackson fumbled and Denver has it inside Minnesota's 15. Looks like a fifth is the best we can do.

Edit: Under review

mylittlepony
12-30-2007, 06:22 PM
Denver won

cdcox
12-30-2007, 06:23 PM
NFL.com tells me Tavaris Jackson fumbled and Denver has it inside Minnesota's 15. Looks like a fifth is the best we can do.

There are always the two coin flips to give us the 4th.

ChiefGator
12-30-2007, 06:26 PM
So, assuming Indy wins tonight (not sure why they would try), we are likely to pick between five and seven. Sort of a wash in that region...

I might be actually rooting for the Chiefs to get a win here at the end!

BigMeatballDave
12-30-2007, 06:28 PM
And 100 catches for Tony G!He's still at 99. 92 before this game. 7 today. He broke Sharpes record, though...

blueballs
12-30-2007, 06:32 PM
5

ChiefGator
12-30-2007, 06:32 PM
I might be actually rooting for the Chiefs to get a win here at the end!

Well, that didn't last very long.

Count Alex's Losses
12-30-2007, 06:45 PM
I believe we are locked into the 5th pick now.

ChiefGator
12-30-2007, 06:49 PM
I believe we are locked into the 5th pick now.

Well, Miami is locked into the 1st pick, and St. Louis into the 2nd.

So, we pick between 3rd and 6th in every round, right?

Asumming we don't win two coin tosses, we pick 5th in the first. When would we pick in the 2nd, 3rd?

2bikemike
12-30-2007, 06:51 PM
Best draft position we have had in years, now all we have to worry about is if the Chiefs will fug it up.

DaneMcCloud
12-30-2007, 06:52 PM
The Jets and Oakland have a better AFC record than the Chiefs and the Falcons have a better conference record than the Chiefs.

Why wouldn't the Chiefs pick 3rd?

cdcox
12-30-2007, 06:56 PM
Does anyone have a link to a legitimate media site showing we're dead locked into the 5th pick? There is a little ambiguity in the NFL tiebreak rules for draft picks, when you get to a 3-way tie and coin flips.

GoHuge
12-30-2007, 06:58 PM
The Jets and Oakland have a better AFC record than the Chiefs and the Falcons have a better conference record than the Chiefs.

Why wouldn't the Chiefs pick 3rd?I believe it is based on common opponents or common schedule or something like that for the first tie breaker.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 07:01 PM
The Jets and Oakland have a better AFC record than the Chiefs and the Falcons have a better conference record than the Chiefs.

Why wouldn't the Chiefs pick 3rd?

See post #53

Coogs
12-30-2007, 07:02 PM
Asumming we don't win two coin tosses, we pick 5th in the first. When would we pick in the 2nd, 3rd?

If we pick 5th in the 1st, we would pick 4th in the 2nd, 3rd in the 3rd, 6th in the 4th, etc.

Lurch
12-30-2007, 07:04 PM
Does anyone have a link to a legitimate media site showing we're dead locked into the 5th pick? There is a little ambiguity in the NFL tiebreak rules for draft picks, when you get to a 3-way tie and coin flips.http://football.about.com/od/miscinformation/a/detdraftorder.htm

Looks like it comes down to strength of schedule, if this is right...

Determining Order of Selection

• The team with the lowest winning percentage at the end of the previous season drafts first in the NFL Draft. • The rest of the teams are placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest. • The Super Bowl winner drafts last, even if they do not have the highest winning percentage. • The Super Bowl loser drafts next to last. • Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage. • Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure. • As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage. • If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team regardless of strength of schedule.

CupidStunt
12-30-2007, 07:04 PM
I don't know what method anyone here is using, but from what I understand KC has the 4th pick in every round. The only tie-breaker that matters is strength of schedule; Oakland beats KC and KC beats New York.

I may be wrong.

Delano
12-30-2007, 07:05 PM
When does this mythical coin toss take place?

Spott
12-30-2007, 07:05 PM
KC, ATL and Oakland will all finish tied for the weakest strength of schedule regardless of tonight's game. The Jets have a tougher strength of schedule than all 3 of those teams and will pick 6th. I don't know what the tie breaker is for a 3 way tie like this.

El Jefe
12-30-2007, 07:07 PM
On 101 the fox, Len Dawson just said we are a lock for 5th.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 07:08 PM
I don't know what method anyone here is using, but from what I understand KC has the 4th pick in every round. The only tie-breaker that matters is strength of schedule; Oakland beats KC and KC beats New York.

I may be wrong.

See post 53.

HolmeZz
12-30-2007, 07:08 PM
When does this mythical coin toss take place?

Around the combine.

Coogs
12-30-2007, 07:08 PM
I don't know what method anyone here is using, but from what I understand KC has the 4th pick in every round. The only tie-breaker that matters is strength of schedule; Oakland beats KC and KC beats New York.

I may be wrong.

In a tie, the teams rotate in the successive rounds. If we wind up 4th in the first, we would be 3rd in the 2nd, 6th in the 3rd, and so on.

BigRock
12-30-2007, 07:09 PM
Why is it again that Oakland would beat us in a SOS tie? I know it's been said we have a better record against common opponents, but this description from CBS Sportsline doesn't even mention that as a factor...

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update

If two teams have the same record, the strength of schedule tie-breaker is used which is the combined winning percentage of all teams on each team's schedule for the current season. If teams are still tied after strength of schedule has been applied, the division or conference tie breakers are used. If teams are still tied after applying all tiebreakers or if two teams are tied that are in different conferences, a coin toss after the season will determnined which team gets priority.

Spott
12-30-2007, 07:09 PM
KC, Oak's and ATL's opponents are going to all have a winning pct of .515625.

The Jets sos will be .519531 if Tenn loses tonight and .523438 if Tenn wins.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 07:11 PM
On 101 the fox, Len Dawson just said we are a lock for 5th.

If that is true, the NFL doesn't really follow their published procedure.

Spott
12-30-2007, 07:12 PM
Why is it again that Oakland would beat us in a SOS tie? I know it's been said we have a better record against common opponents, but this description from CBS Sportsline doesn't even mention that as a factor...

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update

I think the common opponents tie breaker is only for divion and playoff seeding and isn't used for the draft, IIRC. We actually finished 3rd in the division because of the common opponent tiebreaker.



Edit* After reading the tie breaker procedures, it looks like we will draft 5th. We will also be playing Tenn at home next year and will be traveling to Cincinnati.

VonneMarie
12-30-2007, 07:13 PM
Locally in KC Metro Sports said we're #4.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 07:13 PM
KC, Oak's and ATL's opponents are going to all have a winning pct of .515625.

The Jets sos will be .519531 if Tenn loses tonight and .523438 if Tenn wins.

Post 53 describes how I think the 3-way tie should be broken, according to what is posted on the NFL.com website.

HMc
12-30-2007, 07:13 PM
these threads must irritate the hell out of cdcox. it's worse than when there's a tie for a a playoff spot.

Lurch
12-30-2007, 07:13 PM
On 101 the fox, Len Dawson just said we are a lock for 5th.
To me, that means guaranteed the 5th, but based on SOS....we could move ahead of the Jets and Raiders.

1. Miami
2. St. Louis
t-3. Falcons/Chiefs/Faders

3-4-5 should depend on SOS, to be determined soon I would imagine. Yes?

HMc
12-30-2007, 07:16 PM
To me, that means guaranteed the 5th, but based on SOS....we could move ahead of the Jets and Raiders.

1. Miami
2. St. Louis
t-3. Jets/Chiefs/Faders

3-4-5 should depend on SOS, to be determined soon I would imagine. Yes?

omfg read the thread

cdcox
12-30-2007, 07:16 PM
Why is it again that Oakland would beat us in a SOS tie? I know it's been said we have a better record against common opponents, but this description from CBS Sportsline doesn't even mention that as a factor...

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/update

The "Division tiebreaker" is actually an 11 step process. See post 59.

Lurch
12-30-2007, 07:17 PM
omfg read the thread
OMFG. I edited it....meant Falcons instead of Jets. Sorry.

Just got to post 53, too. Thanks.

ChiefGator
12-30-2007, 07:21 PM
So... does anyone know where we will pick in the first. Isn't there some sort of tie going on there?















Sorry... sorry... couldn't help myself.

:P

jaa1025
12-30-2007, 07:21 PM
#1 Dolphins
#2 Rams with 131 wins
#3,#4,#5 Raiders/Chiefs/Falcons with tied SOS with 132 wins
#6 Jets with 133 wins
#7 Patriots with 49ers pick

HMc
12-30-2007, 07:23 PM
OMFG. I edited it....meant Falcons instead of Jets. Sorry.

Just got to post 53, too. Thanks.


The SOS for The Chiefs, Raiders and Falcons have been determined, and theyre equal.

CupidStunt
12-30-2007, 07:24 PM
......................

Delano
12-30-2007, 07:25 PM
So... does anyone know where we will pick in the first. Isn't there some sort of tie going on there?















Sorry... sorry... couldn't help myself.

:P

See post #59.

JohninGpt
12-30-2007, 07:25 PM
Locally in KC Metro Sports said we're #4.
Holtus said #5.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 07:27 PM
With the conflicting reports coming out of the local media, I'm still hoping that the two coin flip process turns out to be correct.

memyselfI
12-30-2007, 07:28 PM
Wow, this is surreal. The Planet looking, rather, painstakingly searching for ways for the Chiefs to be deemed crappier than the Raiders.... :hmmm:

jaa1025
12-30-2007, 07:33 PM
#1 Dolphins
#2 Rams with 131 wins
#3,#4,#5 Raiders/Chiefs/Falcons with tied SOS with 132 wins
#6 Jets with 133 wins
#7 Patriots with 49ers pick

Delano
12-30-2007, 07:33 PM
Wow, this is surreal. The Planet looking, painstakingly searching, for ways for the Chiefs to be deemed crappier than the Raiders.... :hmmm:

The dream scenario would have the Chiefs in third place in the division and with a higher draft pick.

dannybcaitlyn
12-30-2007, 07:33 PM
Just don't let Brian Waters call the coin toss

memyselfI
12-30-2007, 07:35 PM
The dream scenario would have the Chiefs in third place in the division and with a higher draft pick.

I understand but look how far of a downward spiral King Carl has sent the fans.

Orlandochiefsgrl
12-30-2007, 07:38 PM
Sequence for the 2008 NFL Draft

Sequence as of December 26th, 2007
2008
ROUND 1 Pick Team Won Lost Opp. Won
1Miami 1 14 128
2St. Louis 3 12 123
3New York Jets 3 12 126
4Atlanta 3 12 127
5 KC 4 11 122
6Oakland 4 11 123
7Baltimore 4 11 124
8NE (F/SF) 5 10 112
9Cincinnati 6 9 110
10Denver 6 9 126

cdcox
12-30-2007, 07:41 PM
Sequence for the 2008 NFL Draft

Sequence as of December 26th, 2007
2008 ROUND 1PickTeamWonLostOpp. Won
1Miami1141282St. Louis3121233New York Jets3121264Atlanta3121275KC4111226Oakland4111237Baltimore4111248NE (F/SF)5101129Cincinnati6911010Denver69126

link?

That looks like it was before today's games.

ChiefsFan4Life
12-30-2007, 07:43 PM
http://www.ourlads.com/draftsequence.cfm

Rain Man
12-30-2007, 07:45 PM
Either way, we're going to get someone who Carl values even higher than Ryan Sims.

BigRock
12-30-2007, 07:45 PM
The "Division tiebreaker" is actually an 11 step process. See post 59.
Ohhhh, I get it.

jaa1025
12-30-2007, 07:47 PM
1. Miami 1-15
2. St. Louis 3-13
3. Atlanta 4-12 (.5156 opp pct) (1-5 Div, 3-9 Conf)
4. Kansas City 4-12 (.5156 opp pct) (2-4 Div, 3-9 Conf)
5. Oakland 4-12 (.5156 opp pct) (2-4 Div, 4-8 Conf)
6. NY Jets 4-12 (.5234 opp pct)


WE DRAFT 4th...updated.

3/4/5th are tied with record, sos. Next Tiebreaker is Div. Atl owns that. We are tied with Oakland with Div at 2-4. Next is Conf record...we own that with 3-9....

So there we have it...4th.

Delano
12-30-2007, 07:48 PM
Sequence for the 2008 NFL Draft

Sequence as of December 26th, 2007 [<---key part of the post]
2008 ROUND 1PickTeamWonLostOpp. Won
1Miami1141282St. Louis3121233New York Jets3121264Atlanta3121275KC4111226Oakland4111237Baltimore4111248NE (F/SF)5101129Cincinnati6911010Denver69126

Mr. Laz
12-30-2007, 07:49 PM
4th ..... 5th WTF?!

even when we suck we get screwed :banghead:

OnTheWarpath58
12-30-2007, 07:50 PM
1. Miami 1-15
2. St. Louis 3-13
3. Atlanta 4-12 (.5156 opp pct) (1-5 Div, 3-9 Conf)
4. Kansas City 4-12 (.5156 opp pct) (2-4 Div, 3-9 Conf)
5. Oakland 4-12 (.5156 opp pct) (2-4 Div, 4-8 Conf)
6. NY Jets 4-12 (.5234 opp pct)


WE DRAFT 4th...updated.

3/4/5th are tied with record, sos. Next Tiebreaker is Div. Atl owns that. We are tied with Oakland with Div at 2-4. Next is Conf record...we own that with 3-9....

So there we have it...4th.


IIRC, none of the tiebreakers apply to KC/ATL because we don't play in the same division or conference, thus the coinflip scenarios.

cdcox?

Chiefs Pantalones
12-30-2007, 07:51 PM
We have the 4th slot

CanadaKC
12-30-2007, 07:54 PM
Hope McFadden drops to us at for....someone out there will be licking their chops to get him...trade down and stockpile picks...

The Bad Guy
12-30-2007, 07:54 PM
The 4th slot is fine with me. A QB and McFadden will go in the 2 of the 4 picks, with Dorsey and Long going with the other 2.

Der Flöprer
12-30-2007, 07:54 PM
nfl.com has the standings up. I don't know if that means anything, but here's the link.

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league


Atlanta Falcons NFC NCS 4 12 0 .250 259 414 -155 26 3-5 1-7 1-5 .167 3-9 .250 1-3 1W 1-4
Kansas City Chiefs AFC ACW 4 12 0 .250 226 335 -109 23 2-6 2-6 2-4 .333 3-9 .250 1-3 9L 0-5
New York Jets AFC ACE 4 12 0 .250 268 355 -87 25 3-5 1-7 2-4 .333 4-8 .333 0-4 1W 2-3
Oakland Raiders AFC ACW 4 12 0 .250 283 398 -115 28 2-6 2-6 2-4 .333 4-8 .333 0-4 4L 1-4
St. Louis Rams NFC NCW 3 13 0 .188 263 438 -175 25 1-7 2-6 1-5 .167 3-9 .250 0-4 4L 1-4
Miami Dolphins AFC ACE 1 15 0 .063 267 437 -170 29 1-7 0-8 0-6 .000 1-11 .083 0-4 2L 1-4

Der Flöprer
12-30-2007, 07:56 PM
nfl.com has the standings up. I don't know if that means anything, but here's the link.

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league


Atlanta Falcons NFC NCS 4 12 0 .250 259 414 -155 26 3-5 1-7 1-5 .167 3-9 .250 1-3 1W 1-4
Kansas City Chiefs AFC ACW 4 12 0 .250 226 335 -109 23 2-6 2-6 2-4 .333 3-9 .250 1-3 9L 0-5
New York Jets AFC ACE 4 12 0 .250 268 355 -87 25 3-5 1-7 2-4 .333 4-8 .333 0-4 1W 2-3
Oakland Raiders AFC ACW 4 12 0 .250 283 398 -115 28 2-6 2-6 2-4 .333 4-8 .333 0-4 4L 1-4
St. Louis Rams NFC NCW 3 13 0 .188 263 438 -175 25 1-7 2-6 1-5 .167 3-9 .250 0-4 4L 1-4
Miami Dolphins AFC ACE 1 15 0 .063 267 437 -170 29 1-7 0-8 0-6 .000 1-11 .083 0-4 2L 1-4


NM. I'm we todd did. That's alphebetical.

jaa1025
12-30-2007, 07:57 PM
[QUOTE=OnTheWarpath58]IIRC, none of the tiebreakers apply to KC/ATL because we don't play in the same division or conference, thus the coinflip scenarios.

cdcox?[/QUOTED]

Does that only apply to two teams with tie or does it also apply to multiple teams.

The Bad Guy
12-30-2007, 07:58 PM
Hope McFadden drops to us at for....someone out there will be licking their chops to get him...trade down and stockpile picks...

For what?

So we can draft the next Turk McBride or Tank Tyler?

This team needs superstars first.

Rain Man
12-30-2007, 07:59 PM
Who's Dorsey? Who's McFadden? Who's Long?

cdcox
12-30-2007, 08:01 PM
1. Miami 1-15
2. St. Louis 3-13
3. Atlanta 4-12 (.5156 opp pct) (1-5 Div, 3-9 Conf)
4. Kansas City 4-12 (.5156 opp pct) (2-4 Div, 3-9 Conf)
5. Oakland 4-12 (.5156 opp pct) (2-4 Div, 4-8 Conf)
6. NY Jets 4-12 (.5234 opp pct)


WE DRAFT 4th...updated.

3/4/5th are tied with record, sos. Next Tiebreaker is Div. Atl owns that. We are tied with Oakland with Div at 2-4. Next is Conf record...we own that with 3-9....

So there we have it...4th.

This is not correct, because it doesn't follow the draft tiebreaker rules.

The only question is "How does the NFL handle a 3-way tie on SOS?"

The way I did it was I first broke the tie between Oakland and KC, since we are in the same division. (Oakland Drafts before KC).

Then I broke the tie between Oakland and Atlanta with a coin flip.

If Atlanta wins the coin flip, they draft 3rd, Oakland 4th and us 5th.

But if Oakland wins the coin flip, it seems that KC and Atlanta would still be tied, thus necessitating the second coin flip.

blackhawk
12-30-2007, 08:02 PM
atl beats a playoff team and the chiefs pick behind them and both are 4-12?WOW THAT SUCKS

Rain Man
12-30-2007, 08:03 PM
For what?

So we can draft the next Turk McBride or Tank Tyler?

This team needs superstars first.

Freakin' abso-freaking lutely. Freakingly so. If we trade down, someone gets a nasty e-mail from me. (I admit that I'm relatively powerless in this situation.)

The key now is whether the top guys get agents who Carl likes, because that's a big part of how he will make his draft selection since he's the worst GM in the league.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 08:03 PM
We have the 4th slot

Link?

Delano
12-30-2007, 08:07 PM
I have always wanted the Chiefs to draft a guy that was sitting there in the room.

He walks up to the stage, takes his hat and jersey, and wears it for 15 years straight into the hall of fame. That is how I see this pick taking place.

Scorp
12-30-2007, 08:08 PM
Link?


http://wehavethe4thslot.com

El Jefe
12-30-2007, 08:09 PM
scorp, that site is no good.

Scorp
12-30-2007, 08:10 PM
scorp, that site is no good.


Just keep trying I am sure the server must be busy. :p

Chiefs Pantalones
12-30-2007, 08:13 PM
Who in the heck is the fifth best player in the draft? We are DOOMED!

Scorp
12-30-2007, 08:15 PM
Who in the heck is the fifth best player in the draft? We are DOOMED!


I am thinking we need the best tight end on the board so we can convert him to fullback. :drool:

Delano
12-30-2007, 08:17 PM
Who in the heck is the fifth best player in the draft? We are DOOMED!

OMG all of the good playaz will be gone. SHITZz

Basileus777
12-30-2007, 08:21 PM
The Falcons will select third in the 2008 NFL draft, getting the pick in the third-tiebreaker between four teams. Miami (1-15) and St. Louis (3-13) will make the first two picks.

The Falcons, Oakland, Kansas City and the New York Jets all finished at 4-12. The Falcons, Raiders and Chiefs had identical strengths of schedule, the first tie-breaker. The Raiders and Chiefs split their two meetings, the second tie-breaker, and neither played the Falcons. The Falcons won the third tie-breaker, division record, by going 1-5 in the NFC South as the Raiders and Chiefs were both 2-4 in the AFC West. The tiebreaker between the Raiders and Chiefs was broken by virtue of the Raiders having a worse record among common opponents, the fourth tie-breaker.

http://www.ajc.com/falcons/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/12/30/faldraft_1231.html

If this is correct we pick 5th.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 08:25 PM
http://www.ajc.com/falcons/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/12/30/faldraft_1231.html

If this is correct we pick 5th.

I'm 99% sure that is wrong. Posting it hear for posterity.


Falcons will select third in the 2008 draft

By CHRIS VIVLAMORE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 12/30/07

The Falcons will select third in the 2008 NFL draft, getting the pick in the third-tiebreaker between four teams. Miami (1-15) and St. Louis (3-13) will make the first two picks.

The Falcons, Oakland, Kansas City and the New York Jets all finished at 4-12. The Falcons, Raiders and Chiefs had identical strengths of schedule, the first tie-breaker. The Raiders and Chiefs split their two meetings, the second tie-breaker, and neither played the Falcons. The Falcons won the third tie-breaker, division record, by going 1-5 in the NFC South as the Raiders and Chiefs were both 2-4 in the AFC West. The tiebreaker between the Raiders and Chiefs was broken by virtue of the Raiders having a worse record among common opponents, the fourth tie-breaker.

melbar
12-30-2007, 08:26 PM
FThree or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

5. Strength of victory.

6. Strength of schedule.

7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

9. Best net points in conference games.

10. Best net points in all games.

11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

12. Coin toss.

Our record in conference is 3-9
The Jets and Raiders are listed as 4-8 Jets also beat us. Doesnt that make us #3?

Mr. Laz
12-30-2007, 08:27 PM
2008 NFL Draft First Round Order
As of Sunday, December 30, 2007

Teams are listed with won-loss record, followed by composite strength of schedule. Among teams with the same record, the team with the weakest schedule picks first.
Round 1

1. Miami (1-15, 138-118)
2. St. Louis (3-13, 131-125)
3. Atlanta (4-12, 129-127)
4. Oakland (4-12, 132-124)*
5. Kansas City (4-12, 132-124)*
6. New York Jets (4-12, 133-122)**
7. New England (frm San Fran 5-11, 119-137)
8. Baltimore (5-11, 132-123)***
9. Cincinnati (7-9, 117-138)**
10. New Orleans (7-9, 123-133)
11. Buffalo (7-9, 132-124)*
12. Denver (7-9, 132-124)*
13. Carolina (7-9, 134-122)
14. Detroit (7-9, 139-117)*
15. Chicago (7-9, 139-117)*
16. Arizona (8-8, 111-145)
17. Minnesota (8-8, 129-127)
18. Houston (8-8, 132-124)
19. Philadelphia (8-8, 144-112)
20. Tampa Bay (9-7, 119-137)
21. Washington (9-7, 142-114)
22. Tennessee (9-6)
23. Dallas [from Cleveland (10-6, 110-146)]
24. Seattle (10-6, 106-150)
25. Pittsburgh (10-6, 116-140)
26. New York Giants (10-6, 132-124)
27. San Diego (11-5, 128-128)
28. Jacksonville (11-5, 132-124)
29. Green Bay (13-3, 106-150)
30. Dallas (13-3, 127-129)
31. San Francisco (from Indianapolis) (13-2)
32. New England (pick forfeited) (16-0, 120-135)***


*-Oakland picks before Kansas City on common games tiebreaker. Buffalo picks before Denver on head-to-head. Detroit picks before Chicago on head-to-head.
**-Does not count Tennessee's last game.
***-Does not count Indianapolis's last game.
Picks 20-32 are pending NFL playoff results

cdcox
12-30-2007, 08:28 PM
FThree or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

5. Strength of victory.

6. Strength of schedule.

7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

9. Best net points in conference games.

10. Best net points in all games.

11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

12. Coin toss.

Our record in conference is 3-9
The Jets and Raiders are listed as 4-8 Jets also beat us. Doesnt that make us #3?

The 3-team conference tiebreaker is not applicable because the Chiefs, Raiders and Falcons are not in the same conference.

shyguyms
12-30-2007, 08:28 PM
we get the 4th pick, it's all said and done

GoHuge
12-30-2007, 08:29 PM
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2008/nfl_draft_order.cfm

Says we go fifth, which means we probably trade down.

melbar
12-30-2007, 08:30 PM
conference record comes first. Coin toss is the last criteria. SoS is the 6th tiebreaker listed by the NFL.

OnTheWarpath58
12-30-2007, 08:33 PM
FThree or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.

2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)

3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.

5. Strength of victory.

6. Strength of schedule.

7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.

8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.

9. Best net points in conference games.

10. Best net points in all games.

11. Best net touchdowns in all games.

12. Coin toss.

Our record in conference is 3-9
The Jets and Raiders are listed as 4-8 Jets also beat us. Doesnt that make us #3?


Those tiebreakers are used for playoffs.

A different set of tiebreakers are used regarding draft order.

jjchieffan
12-30-2007, 08:37 PM
So lets see... Dolphins pick first, taking Ryan maybe? Rams second. Do they take McFadden, or Long? Falcons 3rd, Take Ryan if he is still available, if not, do they still go QB? Oakland probably goes Oline. That would have us picking Dorsey? Sound Feasable?

Frankie
12-30-2007, 08:39 PM
I want Buffalo's 1st and 2nd for our 1st. What do they desperately need?

Maybe Ryan Clady with our new first.

Frankie
12-30-2007, 08:41 PM
So lets see... Dolphins pick first, taking Ryan maybe? Rams second. Do they take McFadden, or Long? Falcons 3rd, Take Ryan if he is still available, if not, do they still go QB? Oakland probably goes Oline. That would have us picking Dorsey? Sound Feasable?
Miami will pick Dorsey. I heard that Parcels has said it already.

OnTheWarpath58
12-30-2007, 08:44 PM
So lets see... Dolphins pick first, taking Ryan maybe? Rams second. Do they take McFadden, or Long? Falcons 3rd, Take Ryan if he is still available, if not, do they still go QB? Oakland probably goes Oline. That would have us picking Dorsey? Sound Feasable?

Not at all.

Dolphins will take Dorsey or try to move down, even though he doesn't fit their defense. No way in hell Parcells takes a QB with the #1 pick.

Rams have no business taking McFadden. They'd take either of the Longs or Dorsey if for some reason someone moved up to #1 and passed on him.

Falcons would likely take Ryan at 3.

Oakland will likely end up with McFadden, IMO.

Which leaves us with whichever Long didn't get picked (likely Jake, IMO) or Sedrick Ellis, Laurinaitis, either Jenkins, or the LB from USC who name is escaping me at the moment.

Direckshun
12-30-2007, 09:42 PM
What is the official stance of this thread, so I don't have to go back over it.

Are we #4? Or are we pending coin flips, or what?

cdcox
12-30-2007, 09:45 PM
What is the official stance of this thread, so I don't have to go back over it.

Are we #4? Or are we pending coin flips, or what?

WE DRAFT 4TH (25%) or 5 th (75%) PENDING THE OUTCOME OF TWO COIN FLIPS

This is still my official position. I've not seen anything from nfl.com or espn.com.

The Atlanta paper, the most offical news outlet to give an opinion, is almost certainly wrong.

Count Alex's Losses
12-30-2007, 09:47 PM
We will lose the coin flips, so 5.

xbarretx
12-30-2007, 09:51 PM
We will lose the coin flips, so 5.

ok Randy Quaid, go back to watching Indians Baseball!!!!

oh they'll blow it next year.... oh they'll blow it in the play offs ROFL

Direckshun
12-30-2007, 09:51 PM
I'm good with either.

Honestly, if there's any way we can get in front of Atlanta and get a shot at Ryan, I'm thrilled. But I'm good with a #5. That's a front row seat to Sedrick Ellis, Jake Long, and Andre Woodson.

KCFalcon59
12-30-2007, 09:56 PM
Don't know how accurate this website is, but they have us 5th.

FFtoolbox (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2008/nfl_draft_order.cfm)

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-30-2007, 09:58 PM
Chris Long would be a nice pick @ 5.

Count Alex's Losses
12-30-2007, 09:59 PM
Chris Long would be a nice pick @ 5.

Wonder what we could get for Hali.

Direckshun
12-30-2007, 10:01 PM
Wonder what we could get for Hali.
HMMMMMMMMM...

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-30-2007, 10:01 PM
Wonder what we could get for Hali.

Maybe a 3rd rounder. He's worth more to keep than we would be to unload. Besides, he's still a solid enough player, and we need all the D-linemen we can get.

If the Chiefs could rush the passer with Hali, Long, Allen, and McBride in a '4 Aces' formation similar to the one the Giants run, they could reek some havoc on 3rd down.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 10:01 PM
Don't know how accurate this website is, but they have us 5th.

FFtoolbox (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2008/nfl_draft_order.cfm)


I'm not putting too much stock in it, since their posted SOS is wrong. KC, Oakland and Atlanta are all tied on SOS.

Count Alex's Losses
12-30-2007, 10:03 PM
Maybe a 3rd rounder. He's worth more to keep than we would be to unload. Besides, he's still a solid enough player, and we need all the D-linemen we can get.

If the Chiefs could rush the passer with Hali, Long, Allen, and McBride in a '4 Aces' formation similar to the one the Giants run, they could reek some havoc on 3rd down.

I haven't watched Long at all, but reading some of his reports he doesn't strike me as a guy that's going to be any better than Hali. He doesn't sound like a guy who runs a 4.5.

If we're gonna draft a DE in the top 5, he better be Julius Peppers.

Direckshun
12-30-2007, 10:03 PM
You know, Hali's put up good numbers, so I bet we could snatch a 2nd.

Direckshun
12-30-2007, 10:04 PM
I haven't watched Long at all, but reading some of his reports he doesn't strike me as a guy that's going to be any better than Hali. He doesn't sound like a guy who runs a 4.5.
You need to watch him. I don't know how OTs are going to contain him.

Valiant
12-30-2007, 10:10 PM
Carl will probably call in and want a lower draft pick just for the fact he does not want to spend the money or rack his brain figuring out where he picks..

But do it without compensation for the trade down..

RedNeckRaider
12-30-2007, 10:13 PM
FWIW
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/12/30/faldraft_1231.html

cdcox
12-30-2007, 10:16 PM
FWIW
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/12/30/faldraft_1231.html

I'm 99% certain that is wrong. I believe that the Raiders will pick 3rd or 4th, pending a coin flip with Atlanta.

Sure-Oz
12-30-2007, 10:19 PM
Who drafts mcfadden? I dont see STL doing that

RedNeckRaider
12-30-2007, 10:20 PM
I'm 99% certain that is wrong. I believe that the Raiders will pick 3rd or 4th, pending a coin flip with Atlanta.
Thats why I put the "FWIW" I have not a clue :) All I do know is I am waiting on april before the season is over again :banghead:

RedNeckRaider
12-30-2007, 10:38 PM
More FWIW
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2008/nfl_draft_order.cfm

BigRedChief
12-30-2007, 10:52 PM
Or more importantly is Jake Long worth a top 5 pick?

From nfl.com

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING

If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.

2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

JohnnyV13
12-30-2007, 11:40 PM
Actually, KC has a worse conference record than Oakland. KC is 3-8 in the conference while Oakland is 4-8.

KC and Oak split head to head and have the same divisional record.
That means us and Atlanta coin flip for 3 and 4 because conference record doesn't apply b/c KC and Atlanta are in different conferences.

L.A. Chieffan
12-30-2007, 11:43 PM
I heard that because the Chiefs have red uni's and play on natural grass we have the advantage. However, Atlanta's old QB killed dogs so they get bonus points in a little known "animal-cruelty" tiebreaker.

It all comes down to how much the league wants to screw us basically

OnTheWarpath58
12-30-2007, 11:53 PM
Interesting, ESPN just said that the NFL will determine how to break the 3 way tie between KC/ATL/OAK tomorrow.

Guess they are throwing their own rules out the window?

Chiefs Pantalones
12-30-2007, 11:56 PM
Interesting, ESPN just said that the NFL will determine how to break the 3 way tie between KC/ATL/OAK tomorrow.

Guess they are throwing their own rules out the window?

Yeah I just saw that. I wonder how they're going to do that.

Manila-Chief
12-30-2007, 11:56 PM
Interesting, ESPN just said that the NFL will determine how to break the 3 way tie between KC/ATL/OAK tomorrow.

Guess they are throwing their own rules out the window?

I just heard the same thing. I believe he said that the NFL does not know how they will break the ties ... but it will be done tomorrow.

It is for 3rd., 4th., and 5th. slots ... they have the Jets as picking 6th.

L.A. Chieffan
12-30-2007, 11:58 PM
WTF? They don't know how??

You mean they don't know how to **** the Chiefs over yet. 10 to 1 says we get screwed

SBK
12-31-2007, 12:03 AM
Good news, Falcons and Vick really pissed off the commish this year, Greazy Al has sued the league how many times? Looks like #3 in honor of Lamar Hunt!

mcan
12-31-2007, 12:36 AM
They absolutely know, the tie-breakers are posted on the league standings page, at the very bottom.

Here's how it worked out.

link to article (http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/12/30/faldraft_1231.html)
The Falcons, Oakland, Kansas City and the New York Jets all finished 4-12. The Falcons, Raiders and Chiefs had identical strengths of schedule, the first tie-breaker. The Raiders and Chiefs split their two meetings, the second tie-breaker, and neither played the Falcons. The Falcons won the third tie-breaker, division record, by going 1-5 in the NFC South as the Raiders and Chiefs were both 2-4 in the AFC West. The tie-breaker between the Raiders and Chiefs was broken by virtue of the Raiders having a worse record among common opponents, the fourth tie-breaker.


The draft order is as follows:

2008 DRAFT ORDER

1. Miami

2. St. Louis

3. Atlanta

4. Oakland

5. Kansas City

6. N.Y. Jets

7. New England (from San Fran.)

8. Baltimore

mcan
12-31-2007, 12:37 AM
Here's the tie-breakers from NFL.com


http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures
TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING

If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.

2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

Der Flöprer
12-31-2007, 12:39 AM
The NFL network reported the following:

1. Miami

2. St. Louis

3. Atlanta/Oakland

4. Atlanta/Oakland/Kansas City

5. Atlanta/Kansas City

6. New York Jets

OnTheWarpath58
12-31-2007, 12:40 AM
They absolutely know, the tie-breakers are posted on the league standings page, at the very bottom.

Here's how it worked out.

link to article (http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/12/30/faldraft_1231.html)
The Falcons, Oakland, Kansas City and the New York Jets all finished 4-12. The Falcons, Raiders and Chiefs had identical strengths of schedule, the first tie-breaker. The Raiders and Chiefs split their two meetings, the second tie-breaker, and neither played the Falcons. The Falcons won the third tie-breaker, division record, by going 1-5 in the NFC South as the Raiders and Chiefs were both 2-4 in the AFC West. The tie-breaker between the Raiders and Chiefs was broken by virtue of the Raiders having a worse record among common opponents, the fourth tie-breaker.


The draft order is as follows:

2008 DRAFT ORDER

1. Miami

2. St. Louis

3. Atlanta

4. Oakland

5. Kansas City

6. N.Y. Jets

7. New England (from San Fran.)

8. Baltimore

Head-to-head is not a draft order tiebreaker.

The AJC is wrong.

From NFL.com:

TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING

If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:

1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.

2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule.

If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

Direckshun
12-31-2007, 12:40 AM
Anybody have access to that chart that documents how much each draft pick is worth?

Like, the first draft pick is worth 3000 points, and so on?

OnTheWarpath58
12-31-2007, 12:42 AM
The NFL network reported the following:

1. Miami

2. St. Louis

3. Atlanta/Oakland

4. Atlanta/Oakland/Kansas City

5. Atlanta/Oakland/Kansas City

6. New York Jets

Which is exactly what cdcox has figured.

We only have a shot at 4 or 5, and a coinflip or two will be needed to determine.

OnTheWarpath58
12-31-2007, 12:42 AM
Anybody have access to that chart that documents how much each draft pick is worth?

Like, the first draft pick is worth 3000 points, and so on?

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldraftvalue.cfm

cdcox
12-31-2007, 12:42 AM
They absolutely know, the tie-breakers are posted on the league standings page, at the very bottom.

Here's how it worked out.

link to article (http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/12/30/faldraft_1231.html)
The Falcons, Oakland, Kansas City and the New York Jets all finished 4-12. The Falcons, Raiders and Chiefs had identical strengths of schedule, the first tie-breaker. The Raiders and Chiefs split their two meetings, the second tie-breaker, and neither played the Falcons. The Falcons won the third tie-breaker, division record, by going 1-5 in the NFC South as the Raiders and Chiefs were both 2-4 in the AFC West. The tie-breaker between the Raiders and Chiefs was broken by virtue of the Raiders having a worse record among common opponents, the fourth tie-breaker.


The draft order is as follows:

2008 DRAFT ORDER

1. Miami

2. St. Louis

3. Atlanta

4. Oakland

5. Kansas City

6. N.Y. Jets

7. New England (from San Fran.)

8. Baltimore

This is what the AJC said. It does not conform to the published NFL tiebreaking procedures.

I feel at least vindicated at this moment. If the NFL doesn't know what it is doing, how can I do better?

But, in the end the NFL will probably follow my procedure. In which case I will have known what the NFL was doing before they did.

Bowser
12-31-2007, 12:43 AM
This is what the AJC said. It does not conform to the published NFL tiebreaking procedures.

I feel at least vindicated at this moment. If the NFL doesn't know what it is doing, how can I do better?

But, in the end the NFL will probably follow my procedure. In which case I will have known what the NFL was doing before they did.

Watch out for black helicopters and limos driving by your house.

mcan
12-31-2007, 12:48 AM
Holy crap, I just glazed right over that. I'm glad I posted the link, so I can pass the buck. Nice job Cdcox and company for being on top of things.


Looking closer, I'd imagine we just need to win the ONE coin flip. The first flip will probably decided the 3rd spot. We'd then flip against the loser of that spot for the 4th. So, it's a 50/50. If, of course, that's how they do it.

cdcox
12-31-2007, 12:48 AM
Watch out for black helicopters and limos driving by your house.

I'll take those SOB's on right now or any time. No one knows the tiebreaker better than me. NO ONE!!!!elevenincaseanyonethinksimdelusional!

Der Flöprer
12-31-2007, 12:51 AM
Can someone quote the link or give me the post number in this thread that explains why we have NO SHOT AT THE MOTHER****ING 3 PICK. Thank you in advance for your help in this matter.

The Bad Guy
12-31-2007, 12:54 AM
What truly pisses me off is that we are finishing in last place in the divison, but Oakland still gets to pick ahead of us. The tiebreakers for the draft are a bunch of ****ing shit.

philfree
12-31-2007, 12:55 AM
So if we're 5th in the 1st then we're 3rd in the 2nd and since NE lost there 1st round pick there's only 31 1st round picks. Our 2nd round pick is the 34th pick in the draft. Right? That's like having two 1st rounders. It'd be nice to get it right in this years draft. So we have #5, #34, #70,
#105, #138 and #140 through the first 5 rounds of the draft. Is that correct?

PhilFree:arrow:

Bowser
12-31-2007, 12:55 AM
What truly pisses me off is that we are finishing in last place in the divison, but Oakland still gets to pick ahead of us. The tiebreakers for the draft are a bunch of ****ing shit.

Wait a minute. Doesn't it come down to a coin flip between us and the Fade?

OnTheWarpath58
12-31-2007, 12:55 AM
What truly pisses me off is that we are finishing in last place in the divison, but Oakland still gets to pick ahead of us. The tiebreakers for the draft are a bunch of ****ing shit.

We're not finishing last in the division.

http://www.nfl.com/standings

cdcox
12-31-2007, 12:55 AM
Holy crap, I just glazed right over that. I'm glad I posted the link, so I can pass the buck. Nice job Cdcox and company for being on top of things.


Looking closer, I'd imagine we just need to win the ONE coin flip. The first flip will probably decided the 3rd spot. We'd then flip against the loser of that spot for the 4th. So, it's a 50/50. If, of course, that's how they do it.

Actually we need two coin flips to go our way to get the 4th spot.

The first one is between Atlanta and Oakland. If Atlanta wins that one, there will not be a second coin flip because the loser of the flip (Oakland) would have the tiebreaker over us and we will pick 5th.

If Oakland wins the flip between them and Atlanta, Oakland would get the 3rd and Atlanta would still be tied with us. And we'd need one more coin flip to decide between us and Atlanta for the 4th and 5th spot.

Since we need two flips to go our way to get the 4th, our odds are 25% to get the 4th spot and 75% to get the 5th spot.

OnTheWarpath58
12-31-2007, 12:57 AM
Can someone quote the link or give me the post number in this thread that explains why we have NO SHOT AT THE MOTHER****ING 3 PICK. Thank you in advance for your help in this matter.

cdcox may shed some light on this, but we don't have a shot at #3 because we lost our tiebreaker against Oakland, who can pick no worse than 4th.

Der Flöprer
12-31-2007, 12:57 AM
Actually we need two coin flips to go our way to get the 4th spot.

The first one is between Atlanta and Oakland. If Atlanta wins that one, there will not be a second coin flip because the loser of the flip (Oakland) would have the tiebreaker over us and we will pick 5th.

If Oakland wins the flip between them and Atlanta, Oakland would get the 3rd and Atlanta would still be tied with us. And we'd need one more coin flip to decide between us and Atlanta for the 4th and 5th spot.

Since we need two flips to go our way to get the 4th, our odds are 25% to get the 4th spot and 75% to get the 5th spot.


Shit, the way things have gone for Atlanta this year, I say it's a stone cold lock we pick 4th.

Der Flöprer
12-31-2007, 01:01 AM
The NFL network reported the following:

1. Miami

2. St. Louis

3. Atlanta/Oakland

4. Atlanta/Oakland/Kansas City

5. Atlanta/Kansas City

6. New York Jets



I knew I was wrong when I posted this about the 5th pick. I just couldn't remember who was excluded. It was Oakland. The loop should be coming up on NFL network for anyone interested. They can confirm this. I guess Oakland got the official last place finish this year. I guess that's a positive for us not getting a shot at the 3.

cdcox
12-31-2007, 01:03 AM
Flopnuts, BadGuy and Bowser:

Let me run trough it one more time.

Miami gets the first 1-15
StL get the second. 3-13

Now Oakland, us and Atlanta are tied for the third with the same record (4-12) and the same SOS.

We have to break the tie with Oakland first, since we are in the same divsion.

Oakland must pick before us because they win the division tiebreaker (an 11 step procedure) based on KC having a stronger record against common opponents. Therefore KC cannot pick before Oakland.

Now who should pick first between Oakland and Atlanta. Here the tiebreaker is a coin flip since Atlanta and Oakland are not in the same conference or the same division.

If Atlanta wins the coin flip they will pick 3rd. Oakland will pick 4th because the have to pick before KC. And we will pick 5th.

If Oakland wins the coin flip agains Atlanta, they will pick 3rd. Who picks 4th and 5th? Again we would need a coin flip between KC and Atlanta to determine this.

OnTheWarpath58
12-31-2007, 01:05 AM
CD,

I answered my own question from my PM earlier in this thread.

Disregard.

Thanks for doing this, BTW.

Bowser
12-31-2007, 01:07 AM
Flopnuts, BadGuy and Bowser:

Let me run trough it one more time.

Miami gets the first 1-15
StL get the second. 3-13

Now Oakland, us and Atlanta are tied for the third with the same record (4-12) and the same SOS.

We have to break the tie with Oakland first, since we are in the same divsion.

Oakland must pick before us because they win the division tiebreaker (an 11 step procedure) based on KC having a stronger record against common opponents. Therefore KC cannot pick before Oakland.

Now who should pick first between Oakland and Atlanta. Here the tiebreaker is a coin flip since Atlanta and Oakland are not in the same conference or the same division.

If Atlanta wins the coin flip they will pick 3rd. Oakland will pick 4th because the have to pick before KC. And we will pick 5th.

If Oakland wins the coin flip agains Atlanta, they will pick 3rd. Who picks 4th and 5th? Again we would need a coin flip between KC and Atlanta to determine this.

Got it. Thanks for being patient and explaining this again and again.

The Bad Guy
12-31-2007, 01:08 AM
Flopnuts, BadGuy and Bowser:

Let me run trough it one more time.

Miami gets the first 1-15
StL get the second. 3-13

Now Oakland, us and Atlanta are tied for the third with the same record (4-12) and the same SOS.

We have to break the tie with Oakland first, since we are in the same divsion.

Oakland must pick before us because they win the division tiebreaker (an 11 step procedure) based on KC having a stronger record against common opponents. Therefore KC cannot pick before Oakland.

Now who should pick first between Oakland and Atlanta. Here the tiebreaker is a coin flip since Atlanta and Oakland are not in the same conference or the same division.

If Atlanta wins the coin flip they will pick 3rd. Oakland will pick 4th because the have to pick before KC. And we will pick 5th.

If Oakland wins the coin flip agains Atlanta, they will pick 3rd. Who picks 4th and 5th? Again we would need a coin flip between KC and Atlanta to determine this.

I'm not doubting you, I'm just saying if you finish last in your division, that should be enough to get the higher pick if SOS is tied.

Regardless, the Raiders will take McFadden and I bet the Falcons take a QB so it doesn't matter really in the grand scheme of things.

If Dorsey and Long go 1-2, this is going to suck.

OnTheWarpath58
12-31-2007, 01:09 AM
I'm not doubting you, I'm just saying if you finish last in your division, that should be enough to get the higher pick if SOS is tied.

Regardless, the Raiders will take McFadden and I bet the Falcons take a QB so it doesn't matter really in the grand scheme of things.

If Dorsey and Long go 1-2, this is going to suck.

It is.

We didn't finish last.

http://www.nfl.com/standings

cdcox
12-31-2007, 01:10 AM
If what the NFL network is reporting is holds up, I got it right and beat the NFL network by 6 hours.

Atlanta Journal Constitution - wrong

Lenny - wrong

Mitch - wrong

KC Metro Sports - wrong

OnTheWarpath58
12-31-2007, 01:12 AM
If what the NFL network is reporting is holds up, I got it right and beat the NFL network by 6 hours.

Atlanta Journal Constitution - wrong

Lenny - wrong

Mitch - wrong

KC Metro Sports - wrong

Yep.

Good work.

mcan
12-31-2007, 01:12 AM
If what the NFL network is reporting is holds up, I got it right and beat the NFL network by 6 hours.

Atlanta Journal Constitution - wrong

Lenny - wrong

Mitch - wrong

KC Metro Sports - wrong


[Pat on back] There, there... Go get 'em tiger! [/Pat on back]

Seriously though, nice job.

philfree
12-31-2007, 01:18 AM
I'm not doubting you, I'm just saying if you finish last in your division, that should be enough to get the higher pick if SOS is tied.

Regardless, the Raiders will take McFadden and I bet the Falcons take a QB so it doesn't matter really in the grand scheme of things.

If Dorsey and Long go 1-2, this is going to suck.

I hope you're right about the Raiders picking DMc and Atlanta taking a QB. That'd simplify our pick depending upon who goes 1st overall. kinda puts Jake Long in our lap unless Miami doesn't take Dorsey then he's in our lap. I'd like the latter because they'll be good value at OT in the 2nd round.

PhilFree:arrow:

The Bad Guy
12-31-2007, 01:20 AM
I hope you're right about the Raiders picking DMc and Atlanta taking a QB. That'd simplify our pick depending upon who goes 1st overall. kinda puts Jake Long in our lap unless Miami doesn't take Dorsey then he's in our lap. I'd like the latter because they'll be good value at OT in the 2nd round.

PhilFree:arrow:

I can't see the Rams passing up Dorsey or Long.

Pray Miami takes a QB.

Der Flöprer
12-31-2007, 01:22 AM
Ok.


ESPN Sportscenter is now reporting that 3 4 and 5 will be decided by tiebreakers tomorrow between Atl. Oak. and KC. ESPN is reporting that KC could still be picking 3rd, and Oak could be picking 5th.

cdcox
12-31-2007, 01:25 AM
Ok.


ESPN Sportscenter is now reporting that 3 4 and 5 will be decided by tiebreakers tomorrow between Atl. Oak. and KC. ESPN is reporting that KC could still be picking 3rd, and Oak could be picking 5th.

Al Davis will have a COW (and rightly so) if KC drafts before Oakland.

Der Flöprer
12-31-2007, 01:27 AM
Al Davis will have a COW (and rightly so) if KC drafts before Oakland.


I appreciate you being so patient with this, and explaining it for me. That said, and I want to make sure you understand, I mean no disrespect to you personally what so ever, I hope you are wrong as a mother****er!!!! :)

cdcox
12-31-2007, 01:29 AM
I appreciate you being so patient with this, and explaining it for me. That said, and I want to make sure you understand, I mean no disrespect to you personally what so ever, I hope you are wrong as a mother****er!!!! :)

Me too. But if I turn out to be wrong, it's because the NFL changed rules mid-stream.

Der Flöprer
12-31-2007, 01:31 AM
Me too. But if I turn out to be wrong, it's because the NFL changed rules mid-stream.

That's what I'm afraid of. You've done more research and homework than ESPN. The NFL network's scenario backs up what you're saying 100%.

philfree
12-31-2007, 01:32 AM
I can't see the Rams passing up Dorsey or Long.

Pray Miami takes a QB.
I don't think Parcells will take a qb as his first pick with the Dolphins. This is interesting because the Raiders will have a chance to draft Howie Longs son. Would they pass on him?

PhilFree:arrow:

Der Flöprer
12-31-2007, 01:41 AM
I don't think Parcells will take a qb as his first pick with the Dolphins. This is interesting because the Raiders will have a chance to draft Howie Longs son. Would they pass on him?

PhilFree:arrow:



Knowing Al Davis,, I could easily see that happening.

JohnnyV13
12-31-2007, 03:28 AM
Me too. But if I turn out to be wrong, it's because the NFL changed rules mid-stream.


Not really, the most analogous situation is the wild card tiebreaker with a three way tie.

In that case, you don't use division tiebreakers even when 2 teams are in the same division and the 3rd is in another D. If I recall correctly, you go to conference record, then common opponents between the 3.

That's why the NFL had to wait until tomorrow to decide. This situation isn't really covered by the rules because Atlanta is in a different conference and you can't have a 3 way coin flip. Maybe they'll use some kind of lottery situation.

Arrowhead Pride
12-31-2007, 05:14 AM
Great work cdcox. I hope you don't mind I lifted your analysis and posted it. With a link of course.

Ugly Duck
12-31-2007, 08:15 AM
This is interesting because the Raiders will have a chance to draft Howie Longs son. Would they pass on him?

If McFadden was gone, we'd take him in heartbeat. We desperately need help on our porous D-line and the nostalia factor would be too great to ignore. He'd get #75 and hella hype. We've failed to sell out 2 homegames in each of the last 2 seasons. Jamarcus + Son of Howie would fix that.

Warrior5
12-31-2007, 08:21 AM
CBS Sportsline has the Chiefs picking 3rd.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/order (http://)

Somebody's lying, and I don't think it's cdcox.

xbarretx
12-31-2007, 08:32 AM
CBS Sportsline has the Chiefs picking 3rd.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/order (http://)

Somebody's lying, and I don't think it's cdcox.

well, we should know where we stand today. it just depends on when the NFL does the tibreakers

so for the Chiefs......COME ON BIG BUCKS....NO WHAMMIES!!

patteeu
12-31-2007, 08:37 AM
It's amazing how many times people came up with different answers even after cdcox did a great job of explaining how he came up with his. Even more amazing is the fact that the issue wasn't settled when the NFL itself published a draft order that complied with cdcox's analysis. Great job, cdcox.

blackhawk
12-31-2007, 09:09 AM
Falcons, Oakland, K.C. vie for third draft pick

By CHRIS VIVLAMORE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 12/31/07

This story corrects an earlier version that inaccurately stated the Falcons had clinched the third pick in the 2008 draft.

The Falcons will select third, fourth or fifth in the 2008 NFL draft after a coin flip on Monday will be used to break a three-way tie.

The Falcons are tied with Oakland and Kansas City. All three teams, plus, the New York Jets, finished at 4-12. The Falcons, Raiders and Chiefs finished with identical strengths of schedule. The NFL has no other tie-breaker in the case of three-way ties. The Jets had a tougher strength of schedule than the three other teams and will pick sixth.

Miami (1-15) and St. Louis (3-13) will make the first two picks.

San Francisco and Baltimore both finished 5-11. New England, which owns the 49ers' first-round pick, will select seventh and the Ravens eighth based on strength of schedule.

Seven teams are tied with 7-9 records. Next are four teams at 8-8, including Houston. Since the Falcons receive the Texans' second-round pick from the Matt Schaub trade, they will also make a selection between 16th and 19th in the second round, pending tie-breakers.


2008 DRAFT ORDER

1. Miami

2. St. Louis

(tie) Atlanta/Oakland/Kansas City

Sure-Oz
12-31-2007, 09:16 AM
When does this coin flip take place, #3 would be so badass

KCFalcon59
12-31-2007, 09:25 AM
If it is done by a flip of a coin, that should be televised. I don't trust them mf'ers. They'd screw the chiefs everytime. Oh well, since Herm/CP are still going to be around they will screw the pick up anyway.

Arrowhead Pride
12-31-2007, 09:25 AM
NFL.com actually has the Chiefs in 3rd place right now:

http://www.nfl.com/standings

Common games is the third tie breaker between divisional teams that are tied. The Chiefs have a better common opponent win %.

eazyb81
12-31-2007, 09:27 AM
When does this coin flip take place, #3 would be so badass
Yes it would.

I would love to see a scenario where DMC falls to us and teams are falling over themselves to trade up for him. I know most on here don't want to trade down but we can get a crazy package for him.

Sure-Oz
12-31-2007, 09:31 AM
Yes it would.

I would love to see a scenario where DMC falls to us and teams are falling over themselves to trade up for him. I know most on here don't want to trade down but we can't get a crazy package for him.
Exactly....probably the best player in the draft id say

Frankie
12-31-2007, 09:37 AM
Al Davis will have a COW (and rightly so) if KC drafts before Oakland.
He'll probably give up the rest of his first day picks to trade up and get ahead of us. ROFL

Frankie
12-31-2007, 09:40 AM
Yes it would.

I would love to see a scenario where DMC falls to us and teams are falling over themselves to trade up for him. I know most on here don't want to trade down but we can get a crazy package for him.
My wet dream exactly (footballwise speaking).