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Pablo
12-30-2007, 10:03 PM
Here are the parameters for this thread:

1) Assuming we don't draft a QB in the 1st Round

2) Brodie is named the starter

3) We make definitive improvements to the O-Line via draft, possibly FA.

4) L.J. and Kolby return healthy and ready to roll.
Edit:
5) Brodie remains healthy

That being said, if Croyle is the starter, what do you expect as far as stats, wins, game started, games played?

What would it take for you to be satisfied?

Here are some of my expectations(what it would take for me to be reasonably satisfied):

2,700-3,200 yards passing
60% completion
15-20 TD's/15 INT's

16 Games Started (I'd only be satisfied if he started the whole season, without injury.)

I'd be satisfied with 7-9 wins.

GoHuge
12-30-2007, 10:04 PM
League MVP! The next Patriots. Who the hell knows what they are going to give the kid to work with.

Count Alex's Wins
12-30-2007, 10:06 PM
It depends on the line and the running game. If the running game is top 15, he better be a top 15 quarterback.

Mr. Flopnuts
12-30-2007, 10:09 PM
Here's what I expect.

eazyb81
12-30-2007, 10:15 PM
Holding the clipboard for Brian Brohm by the 4th game.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-30-2007, 10:15 PM
58% completion rate, 3400 yards, 21 TDs, 16 picks.

OnTheWarpath58
12-30-2007, 10:17 PM
It depends on the line and the running game. If the running game is top 15, he better be a top 15 quarterback.

Time to throw Tavaris Jackson, Vince Young, Eli Manning and Philip Rivers on the scrap heap, then.

FringeNC
12-30-2007, 10:18 PM
Let's wait to see what the big changes are. If Herm and Dick Curl are gone, Brodie may do well next season.

cdcox
12-30-2007, 10:23 PM
There are only 4 numbers I care about:

completion percentage: >60%
yards per attempt: >6.8
TD/INT >1
wins >4

If he hit all of those, I'd give him another year.

Count Alex's Wins
12-30-2007, 10:25 PM
Time to throw Tavaris Jackson, Vince Young, Eli Manning and Philip Rivers on the scrap heap, then.

I think all those guys pretty much suck.

Demonpenz
12-30-2007, 10:25 PM
I ususally expect the worse case senerio so he will probably be injured by a non contract drill

louie aguiar
12-30-2007, 10:25 PM
Injury.

Cochise
12-30-2007, 10:26 PM
You can't build a line in one offseason, and we need 4 players.

I just hope he's better at the end of the year than the start.

J Diddy
12-30-2007, 10:27 PM
I think all those guys pretty much suck.

and you write a football column

I think i'd rather read dear abbys nfl sunday than read your crap

cdcox
12-30-2007, 10:27 PM
There are only 4 numbers I care about:

completion percentage: >60%
yards per attempt: >6.8
TD/INT >1
wins >4

If he hit all of those, I'd give him another year.

Let me also add that he plays 12+ games.

kcfan82
12-30-2007, 10:27 PM
I expect Carl to be watching the game from the field level seats.

MadMax
12-30-2007, 10:28 PM
Here are the parameters for this thread:

1) Assuming we don't draft a QB in the 1st Round

2) Brodie is named the starter

3) We make definitive improvements to the O-Line via draft, possibly FA.

4) L.J. and Kolby return healthy and ready to roll.

That being said, if Croyle is the starter, what do you expect as far as stats, wins, game started, games played?

What would it take for you to be satisfied?

Here are some of my expectations(what it would take for me to be reasonably satisfied):

2,700-3,200 yards passing
60% completion
15-20 TD's/15 INT's

16 Games Started (I'd only be satisfied if he started the whole season, without injury.)

I'd be satisfied with 7-9 wins.


I expect you to inform us weekly on what a shitty QB he is.

Count Alex's Wins
12-30-2007, 10:29 PM
and you write a football column

I think i'd rather read dear abbys nfl sunday than read your crap

I still love you like a brother. Someday we may be related.

J Diddy
12-30-2007, 10:34 PM
You can't build a line in one offseason, and we need 4 players.

I just hope he's better at the end of the year than the start.

bs, we pretty much built an o line in 1 year when dv was here

year 1 was horrible

next year waters moved to guard, picked up roaf, tait moved to lt, weigmann in fa

the only difference is that we originally had a stud in shields, we still have a stud in waters

i think svitek can be a good RIGHT TACKLE, we need a lt,

J Diddy
12-30-2007, 10:34 PM
I still love you like a brother. Someday we may be related.

NO, i'm not gonna marry your mother, i just abuse her sexually

Count Alex's Wins
12-30-2007, 10:36 PM
bs, we pretty much built an o line in 1 year when dv was here

year 1 was horrible


It was not nearly as bad as it was this year. Not even close.

2001 we were 5th in total offense, had the league's leading rusher and gave up 39 sacks. The line wasn't great, but it wasn't bottom barrel by any means.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-30-2007, 10:37 PM
Waters is not a stud at all. He's looking like the beneficiary of playing on either side of two hall of famers.

J Diddy
12-30-2007, 10:39 PM
It was not nearly as bad as it was this year. Not even close.

2001 we were 5th in total offense, had the league's leading rusher and gave up 39 sacks. The line wasn't great, but it wasn't bottom barrel by any means.

if i recall correctly, the majority of Priest yards were in garbage time and trent green was too busy trying to get the ball of hastily (i don't remember him having an int with time that year) the sack total is skewed cause tg was lobbing it up for grabs

J Diddy
12-30-2007, 10:41 PM
Waters is not a stud at all. He's looking like the beneficiary of playing on either side of two hall of famers. you can throw a strawberry in a toilet bowl full of turds, it's still a strawberry

I remeber waters knocking the **** out of ray lewis one on one and lewis pissing about he's getting double teamed

ChiefsFanatic
12-30-2007, 10:42 PM
Time to throw Tavaris Jackson, Vince Young, Eli Manning and Philip Rivers on the scrap heap, then.

Are these players not in the playoffs?

OnTheWarpath58
12-30-2007, 10:45 PM
Are these players not in the playoffs?

3 of 4 are, and the one that missed, just barely missed.

But according to GC's "Top 15" requirement, they suck.

catfish307
12-30-2007, 11:09 PM
Here are the parameters for this thread:

1) Assuming we don't draft a QB in the 1st Round

2) Brodie is named the starter

3) We make definitive improvements to the O-Line via draft, possibly FA.

4) L.J. and Kolby return healthy and ready to roll.

That being said, if Croyle is the starter, what do you expect as far as stats, wins, game started, games played?

What would it take for you to be satisfied?

Here are some of my expectations(what it would take for me to be reasonably satisfied):

2,700-3,200 yards passing
60% completion
15-20 TD's/15 INT's

16 Games Started (I'd only be satisfied if he started the whole season, without injury.)

I'd be satisfied with 7-9 wins.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Pablo
12-30-2007, 11:16 PM
ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLSo, it's unreasonable for me to expect:

167-200 yards passing

and roughly 1 TD/1 INT a game ??

Assuming he starts all games.

catfish307
12-30-2007, 11:28 PM
I'll give him 1500 yards, 30 or more interceptions and 12 touchdowns if he plays all 16 games and the O line improves. I still dont believe he has what it takes to be a starter in this league.

Pablo
12-30-2007, 11:37 PM
I'll give him 1500 yards, 30 or more interceptions and 12 touchdowns if he plays all 16 games and the O line improves. I still dont believe he has what it takes to be a starter in this league.Haha. Okay, let's use the 6 games he has played in for a projection point.

6 Games:

927 yards passing/155 a game

5 TD's/5 INT's

58.98% completion

16 Games:

2,472 yards passing

13 TD's/13 INT's

Completion % unchanged


I only used the games he started in for statistical comparison. If I throw in the games he came in for Huard or played part of the stats just get better.

That's just a very loose projection of what he could have done statistically if he'd started 16 games this season, could be worse, probably would have been better. We'll never know. But I certainly don't look for him to average less than 100 yards passing a game and less than 1 TD and nearly 2 INT's a game like you do.

Call me an optomist if you like, but numbers don't lie. I don't pin him to do nearly as poorly as you might think with a hopefully improved supporting cast.

jjchieffan
12-30-2007, 11:40 PM
I think he has a similar season to what Cutler had this year. 20 TD, 14 INT 3497 yds, 88.1 passer rating.

catfish307
12-30-2007, 11:46 PM
Haha. Okay, let's use the 6 games he has played in for a projection point.

6 Games:

927 yards passing/155 a game

5 TD's/5 INT's

58.98% completion

16 Games:

2,472 yards passing

13 TD's/13 INT's

Completion % unchanged


I only used the games he started in for statistical comparison. If I throw in the games he came in for Huard or played part of the stats just get better.

That's just a very loose projection of what he could have done statistically if he'd started 16 games this season, could be worse, probably would have been better. We'll never know. But I certainly don't look for him to average less than 100 yards passing a game and less than 1 TD and nearly 2 INT's a game like you do.

Call me an optomist if you like, but numbers don't lie. I don't pin him to do nearly as poorly as you might think with a hopefully improved supporting cast.

Hell If he is the starter I'd love to see him throw for 10,000 yards and 50 TD's with no int's. I also don't see him staying healthy enough to get the stats.

MadMax
12-30-2007, 11:48 PM
I'll give him 1500 yards, 30 or more interceptions and 12 touchdowns if he plays all 16 games and the O line improves. I still dont believe he has what it takes to be a starter in this league.


I think I'll wait before I take your word or opinion...

ChiefsCountry
12-30-2007, 11:50 PM
I think he has a similar season to what Cutler had this year. 20 TD, 14 INT 3497 yds, 88.1 passer rating.

I agree something like that.

Pablo
12-30-2007, 11:51 PM
Hell If he is the starter I'd love to see him throw for 10,000 yards and 50 TD's with no int's. I also don't see him staying healthy enough to get the stats.You're right. All of these stats are contingent on him staying healthy and starting 16 games. If we acquired a LT who could protect his blinside, and one decent guard to stop the pass-rush up front, I think it could work wonders.

I think he's taken quite a few lumps, and got right back up. At the same time I think this coaching staff has handled him with kid gloves, and those are about to come off. If he gets hurt in the first week, the middle of the season, or the last of the season, he's obviously not the guy for the job. I'm just being optomistic and hoping a couple more OL and a RB in the backfield that's willing to block will give Croyle the adequate amount of time to help him further along in his development.

MadMax
12-31-2007, 12:06 AM
I agree something like that.


F it at this point bring in Pennington and cut Croyle then let all the whiney lil bitches on here get the big 7-9 season they so mis... Piss on this team and the retarded fans that smoke the same pipe...Saddest thing is most of the idiots have 00000000000 clue about what it means to be a Chiefs fan.

el borracho
12-31-2007, 01:07 AM
Nobody is going to throw 30 interceptions. That just doesn't happen.

Pablo
12-31-2007, 01:10 AM
Nobody is going to throw 30 interceptions. That just doesn't happen.Yeah..I'd imagine you'd be seeing the bench somewhere around the 20-25 mark.

el borracho
12-31-2007, 01:15 AM
IIRC, Green threw 24 in his first year here and it was a team record. I'm not sure what the league record is but I would be surprised if it was as many as 30. That is just a ridiculous number of interceptions.

Pablo
12-31-2007, 01:17 AM
IIRC, Green threw 24 in his first year here and it was a team record. I'm not sure what the league record is but I would be surprised if it was as many as 30. That is just a ridiculous number of interceptions.Especially considering he projected Croyle to throw for 1,500 yards. That's an INT for every 50 yards he throws.

Pretty outrageous.

JohnnyV13
12-31-2007, 05:52 AM
You can't build a line in one offseason, and we need 4 players.

I just hope he's better at the end of the year than the start.


San Diego built a line in one year in 2004. They had 5 new starters (tho 2 players moved to different positions), and the line gelled by year's end. They started two rookie linemen with Nick Hardwick at C and Shane Olivea at RT, and brought in a veteran stop gap at LT (Roman Oben).


That year, Drew Brees blossomed after struggling for 3 seasons. The chargers thought so little of brees, they took Eli Manning no. 1 overall and traded him for Philip Rivers plus a 1st they turned into shawn merriman in 2005.

Also, Antonio Gates came from nowhere (undrafted rookie FA) to set the NFL record to TE touchdowns in a season.

HonestChieffan
12-31-2007, 07:23 AM
By preseason end we will be looking at his replacement, Herm will say its OKAYYYYYY, and you will get over it.

cookster50
12-31-2007, 07:45 AM
Injured while getting some from Kelli.

CupidStunt
12-31-2007, 07:45 AM
League-worst 5.8 YPA, 5 games missed due to injury, 15 INTs, 60 sacks.