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BigRedChief
12-31-2007, 06:17 AM
Heard this stat on Metro Sports.

The List:
John Alt
Tim Grunhard
Dave Szott
Will Shields
John Tait

Makes me wonder if we can re-build our O-Line. Historically we are pretty inept at selecting O-line in the draft.

Cochise
12-31-2007, 08:00 AM
You have to credit them for bringing in guys like Willie Roaf, or developing undrafted guys like Waters. It's kind of silly to say it doesn't matter unless we drafted that guy. What matters is if, in any given year, we have a good offensive line or not.

patteeu
12-31-2007, 08:56 AM
You have to credit them for bringing in guys like Willie Roaf, or developing undrafted guys like Waters. It's kind of silly to say it doesn't matter unless we drafted that guy. What matters is if, in any given year, we have a good offensive line or not.

Yeah, and it also cuts down on the opportunities to draft and develop large numbers of guys when you are so successful at getting guys who are good for a long time. The Chiefs have had a fantastic offensive line for a good portion of Carl's 19 year reign and he and the rest of his coaches and staff deserve some credit for that.

suds79
12-31-2007, 09:02 AM
Makes me wonder if we can re-build our O-Line. Historically we are pretty inept at selecting O-line in the draft.

I'll do you one better BigRedChief.

Historically, (see the last 10 years) we are pretty inept in building a winning team as our GM no longer has it...... If he ever did.

It's going to be a long 2 years.

CHENZ A!
12-31-2007, 10:05 AM
We drafted Victor Riley.

BigRedChief
12-31-2007, 10:05 AM
Yeah, and it also cuts down on the opportunities to draft and develop large numbers of guys when you are so successful at getting guys who are good for a long time. The Chiefs have had a fantastic offensive line for a good portion of Carl's 19 year reign and he and the rest of his coaches and staff deserve some credit for that.
Not arguing that point. The issue was and is still that we can't draft worth a chit with King Carl running the war room.

BigRedChief
12-31-2007, 10:29 AM
Not arguing that point. The issue was and is still that we can't draft worth a chit with King Carl running the war room.
Evidence 101

4 113 Brett Williams T Florida State
5 153 Jordan Black G Notre Dame
6 176 Alex Sulfsted T Miami (Ohio)
6 188 Darnell Alford T Boston College
1 14 John Tait T Brigham Young
1 27 Victor Riley T Auburn
7 214 Nathan Parks T Stanford
7 211 Ben Lynch C California
7 241 Jeff Smith C Tennessee
1 31 Trezelle Jenkins T Michigan
6 207 Tom Barndt G Pittsburgh
3 74 Will Shields G Nebraska
5 130 Lindsay Knapp T Notre Dame
10 271 Jerry Ostroski G Tulsa
2 50 Joe Valerio T Pennsylvania
8 218 Tom Dohring T Michigan
2 40 Tim Grunhard C Notre Dame
5 124 Derrick Graham T Appalachian State
5 127 Ken Hackemack T Texas
7 180 David Szott G Penn State
7 Brian Jozwiak G West Virginia
4 87 Tom Baugh C Southern Illinois
4 99 Bob Olderman G Virginia
7 183 Dave Heffernan G Miami (Fla.)
1 21 John Alt T Iowa
9 229 Scott Auer T Michigan State
2 34 Dave Lutz T Georgia Tech
6 146 Ellis Gardner T Georgia Tech
8 204 Irv Eatman T UCLA
9 231 Adam Lingner C Illinois
3 75 Roger Taylor T Oklahoma State
5 124 Todd Thomas C North Dakota
10 262 Les Studdard C Texas
11 287 Dale Markham T North Dakota
9 224 Larry Brown T Miami (Fla.)
4 95 Darius Helton G North Carolina Central
1 14 Rod Walters G Iowa
8 222 Orrin Olsen C Brigham Young
2 41 Charlie Getty T Penn State
4 94 Matt Herkenhoff T Minnesota
9 223 Bill Story T Southern Illinois

dirk digler
12-31-2007, 10:31 AM
And 0 QB's. DBowe will be the first stud WR Carl has ever drafted as well.

splatbass
12-31-2007, 10:32 AM
We had an excellent O line during the Marty, Gunther and DV eras. This is the first time in Carl's history with the Chiefs that we have had a horrible O line. Clearly drafting isn't the only way to get a good offensive line.

ChiTown
12-31-2007, 10:33 AM
And 0 QB's. DBowe will be the first stud WR Carl has ever drafted as well.

**** You!

Sincerely,

Lake Dawson ;)

dirk digler
12-31-2007, 10:36 AM
**** You!

Sincerely,

Lake Dawson ;)

LMAO

Lake might have been good if he wasn't hurt all the time.

BigRedChief
12-31-2007, 10:43 AM
LMAO

Lake might have been good if he wasn't hurt all the time.
What about Sly Mo?

Messier
12-31-2007, 11:25 AM
Evidence 101

4 113 Brett Williams T Florida State
5 153 Jordan Black G Notre Dame
6 176 Alex Sulfsted T Miami (Ohio)
6 188 Darnell Alford T Boston College
1 14 John Tait T Brigham Young
1 27 Victor Riley T Auburn
7 214 Nathan Parks T Stanford
7 211 Ben Lynch C California
7 241 Jeff Smith C Tennessee
1 31 Trezelle Jenkins T Michigan
6 207 Tom Barndt G Pittsburgh
3 74 Will Shields G Nebraska
5 130 Lindsay Knapp T Notre Dame
10 271 Jerry Ostroski G Tulsa
2 50 Joe Valerio T Pennsylvania
8 218 Tom Dohring T Michigan
2 40 Tim Grunhard C Notre Dame
5 124 Derrick Graham T Appalachian State
5 127 Ken Hackemack T Texas
7 180 David Szott G Penn State
7 Brian Jozwiak G West Virginia
4 87 Tom Baugh C Southern Illinois
4 99 Bob Olderman G Virginia
7 183 Dave Heffernan G Miami (Fla.)
1 21 John Alt T Iowa
9 229 Scott Auer T Michigan State
2 34 Dave Lutz T Georgia Tech
6 146 Ellis Gardner T Georgia Tech
8 204 Irv Eatman T UCLA
9 231 Adam Lingner C Illinois
3 75 Roger Taylor T Oklahoma State
5 124 Todd Thomas C North Dakota
10 262 Les Studdard C Texas
11 287 Dale Markham T North Dakota
9 224 Larry Brown T Miami (Fla.)
4 95 Darius Helton G North Carolina Central
1 14 Rod Walters G Iowa
8 222 Orrin Olsen C Brigham Young
2 41 Charlie Getty T Penn State
4 94 Matt Herkenhoff T Minnesota
9 223 Bill Story T Southern Illinois

Wow. You've gone way back before Carl was here. I'd say more than half of those are from the 80's.

ChiefsCountry
12-31-2007, 11:42 AM
Lutz, Graham, and Riley were all productive starters for us. And Jerry Ostroski and Jay Leeuwenberg were starters for Buffalo and Washington for quite awhile in the 90's.

'Hamas' Jenkins
12-31-2007, 11:57 AM
One Way Tom Barndt would have been the greatest guard in NFL history had he not died of syphilis after banging half the whores in Oakland.

FAX
12-31-2007, 12:40 PM
Good post, Mr. BigRedChief. Very interesting. I never really looked at it that way.

We've been fortunate for many years to have a very good, if not excellent, oline. And we've done it with very little turnover.

Overall, though, it's difficult to tell if the Chiefs' bigger problem is drafting or in developing young players. How could one tell the difference?

FAX

BigRedChief
01-17-2008, 02:15 PM
It's going to be a long 2 years.
Maybe not. From Teichers KC Star article.

When asked whether Peterson would be allowed to finish his contract, which runs for two more seasons, Hunt said, “That’s a decision we’ll make down the road and not something that’s appropriate to comment on now.’’

Otter
01-17-2008, 02:24 PM
1 31 Trezelle Jenkins T Michigan

:doh!:


College career

Jenkins started 28 games for the University of Michigan from 1992-1994. Jenkins is a member of Alpha Phi Alpha, the first intercollegiate Greek-letter fraternity established for African Americans. He was regarded by experts for his large size for an offensive tackle.

[edit] Professional career

He was taken 31st overall by the Kansas City Chiefs in the 1995 NFL Draft. He played in only 9 games in 3 seasons before being waived after the 1997 season. Jenkins was subsequently signed by the New Orleans Saints and Minnesota Vikings but never appeared in a game for either team.

In 2000, Jenkins was drafted 156th overall by the San Francisco Demons of the XFL but failed to make the team

[edit] Harold's Chicken Shack

In 1999, Jenkins and his wife, Dora, opened a franchise of Chicago's Harold's Chicken Shack in Ferndale, Michigan on Eight Mile Road, made famous by Detroit rapper Eminem.

[edit] References

Skip Towne
01-17-2008, 02:34 PM
And 0 QB's. DBowe will be the first stud WR Carl has ever drafted as well.
Does Henry Marshall count?

Mecca
01-17-2008, 02:52 PM
You can pull a list like that for basically every position with this teams drafting history.

Rausch
01-17-2008, 03:10 PM
And 0 QB's. DBowe will be the first stud WR Carl has ever drafted as well.

I'd count Joe Horn. Not Carl's fault the HC buried him on the depth chart...

Duck Dog
01-17-2008, 03:14 PM
How bad are you when you can't make an XFL team?

Duck Dog
01-17-2008, 03:15 PM
I'd count Joe Horn. Not Carl's fault the HC buried him on the depth chart...

Never should have let Horn go. Ranks up there with letting Gannon go for Elvis.

morphius
01-17-2008, 04:42 PM
Lets face it, this team has been mostly just plain horrible at developing any position for decades. One or two here or there, sure, but generally we have only had a handful of decent years to hang our hats on.

StcChief
01-17-2008, 04:49 PM
Ultimately the AFL Champs and early SB years teams were really it..... as complete teams. Different era.

"there is always next year" / Cub fan

jjchieffan
01-17-2008, 06:29 PM
Never should have let Horn go. Ranks up there with letting Gannon go for Elvis.

Gannon! :ROFL: Will people ever get over that Huard like QB? :ROFL:

CoMoChief
01-17-2008, 07:42 PM
2 41 Charlie Getty T Penn State

Haha, he was my gym teacher in 7th grade.

Chiefmanwillcatch
01-17-2008, 07:57 PM
If We can get a free agent guard and a left and right tackle from the draft then we might be just decent on the line.

.500 club?

orange
01-17-2008, 09:39 PM
Does Henry Marshall count?

Henry Marshall became a Chief in 1976. This list is from 1980 on.