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synthesis2
01-01-2008, 09:59 AM
Obviously there have been soooooo many threads about this but here is how draft tiebreakers are supposed to work.

Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage.

Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.

As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage

Thats it, for the draft / now if it was for a playoff tiebreaker its

1. Head-to-Head
2. Division Record
3. Common Games
4. Conference Record
5. Strength of Victory
6. Strength of Schedule
7. Combined Ranking Among Conference Teams (points scored and points allowed)
8. Combined Ranking Among All Teams (points scored and points allowed)
9. Net Points (common games)
10. Net Points (all games)
11. Net Touchdowns (all games)


So if we look at Oakland compared to us here is what seems to make sense.

1) SOS = Same

2) Division record = Same both 2-4

3) Conference = Oakland 4-9 KC 3-9 ( puts us ahead of Oakland)

So we should not even have to go to a coin flip with Oakland because of a worse Conference record.

NFL.com says

Atlanta, Kansas City, and Oakland had the same strength-of-schedule in the 2007 season. Since Kansas City finished third in the AFC West Division and the Raiders fourth (the tie was broken on the basis of record in common games), the Raiders will draft ahead of the Chiefs. Atlanta and Oakland will flip a coin for the third position at the NFL Combine in February. If Atlanta wins, the Falcons will draft third, the Raiders fourth, and the Chiefs fifth. If the Raiders win the coin flip, they will draft third, and the Falcons and Chiefs will flip a coin to determine the fourth and fifth positions.

In essance its saying that if we finish third vs. fouth in the AFC west then that means we pick behind them but that dosen't make sense? No where does it say that where you finish in your division ranking wise that you would pick behind them. In fact it looks like the way they rank a team in the division is by ( points for and points against differential) but that has absolutly nothing to do with div then conf record which we are better than and how it is supposed to be done.

Anyone else see what I'm talking about on this?

BigMeatballDave
01-01-2008, 10:00 AM
We've already gone over this. 4th at best. Most likely 5th.

Deberg_1990
01-01-2008, 10:01 AM
We've already gone over this. 4th at best. Most likely 5th.

If the coin flip bounces the wrong way, i could really see us drafting 10th.

BigMeatballDave
01-01-2008, 10:03 AM
If the coin flip bounces the wrong way, i could really see us drafting 10th.Huh?

morphius
01-01-2008, 10:06 AM
Huh?
Because the commissioner should rightfully penalize us for taking that painful game to OT on Sunday.

BigMeatballDave
01-01-2008, 10:07 AM
Because the commissioner should rightfully penalize us for taking that painful game to OT on Sunday.LOL

SPchief
01-01-2008, 10:07 AM
Obviously there have been soooooo many threads about this but here is how draft tiebreakers are supposed to work.

Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage.

Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.

As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage

Thats it, for the draft / now if it was for a playoff tiebreaker its

1. Head-to-Head
2. Division Record
3. Common Games
4. Conference Record
5. Strength of Victory
6. Strength of Schedule
7. Combined Ranking Among Conference Teams (points scored and points allowed)
8. Combined Ranking Among All Teams (points scored and points allowed)
9. Net Points (common games)
10. Net Points (all games)
11. Net Touchdowns (all games)


So if we look at Oakland compared to us here is what seems to make sense.

1) SOS = Same

2) Division record = Same both 2-4

3) Conference = Oakland 4-9 KC 3-9 ( puts us ahead of Oakland)

So we should not even have to go to a coin flip with Oakland because of a worse Conference record.

NFL.com says

Atlanta, Kansas City, and Oakland had the same strength-of-schedule in the 2007 season. Since Kansas City finished third in the AFC West Division and the Raiders fourth (the tie was broken on the basis of record in common games), the Raiders will draft ahead of the Chiefs. Atlanta and Oakland will flip a coin for the third position at the NFL Combine in February. If Atlanta wins, the Falcons will draft third, the Raiders fourth, and the Chiefs fifth. If the Raiders win the coin flip, they will draft third, and the Falcons and Chiefs will flip a coin to determine the fourth and fifth positions.

In essance its saying that if we finish third vs. fouth in the AFC west then that means we pick behind them but that dosen't make sense? No where does it say that where you finish in your division ranking wise that you would pick behind them. In fact it looks like the way they rank a team in the division is by ( points for and points against differential) but that has absolutly nothing to do with div then conf record which we are better than and how it is supposed to be done.

Anyone else see what I'm talking about on this?


:banghead:

synthesis2
01-01-2008, 10:09 AM
We've already gone over this. 4th at best. Most likely 5th.


Again, that does not make sense because we tie sos, same div record and a worse Conference record so we should definatly pick ahead of Oakland, again looking at how tiebreakers work, we win...

morphius
01-01-2008, 10:10 AM
We've already gone over this. 4th at best. Most likely 5th.


Again, that does not make sense because we tie sos, same div record and a worse Conference record so we should definatly pick ahead of Oakland, again looking at how tiebreakers work, we win...
You are missing the fact that we finished third in our division, that is the division record the NFL is talking about, just not the W-L within.

xbarretx
01-01-2008, 10:11 AM
Because the commissioner should rightfully penalize us for taking that painful game to OT on Sunday.

i'd buy that for a dollar

http://durtierice.250free.com/buyfordollar.jpg

kstater
01-01-2008, 10:11 AM
Cookies and Cream Pie
An easy refrigerator pie from Linda, made with cookie crumbs and pudding, along with whipped topping and other ingredients.
INGREDIENTS:

* 1 1/2 cups milk
* 1 package (4-serving size) instant vanilla pudding or French vanilla
* 1 tub (8 ounces) whipped topping, thawed
* 1 cup coarsely crushed chocolate sandwich cookies
* One 9-inch graham "The Man" pie crust, homemade or purchased

PREPARATION:
In a medium bowl, with an electric beater on medium speed, beat together the milk and pudding for 1 minute, until well blended. Let stand for 5 minutes.

Fold in the whipped topping and crushed cookies; spoon into crust.

Cover and freeze for about 6 hours, or until firm.

Slice pie with a knife dipped in warm water. Garnish with a dollop of whipped cream or whipped topping and cookie crumbs, if desired.
Serves: 6
Shared by Linda

xbarretx
01-01-2008, 10:13 AM
Cookies and Cream Pie
An easy refrigerator pie from Linda, made with cookie crumbs and pudding, along with whipped topping and other ingredients.
INGREDIENTS:

* 1 1/2 cups milk
* 1 package (4-serving size) instant vanilla pudding or French vanilla
* 1 tub (8 ounces) whipped topping, thawed
* 1 cup coarsely crushed chocolate sandwich cookies
* One 9-inch graham "The Man" pie crust, homemade or purchased

PREPARATION:
In a medium bowl, with an electric beater on medium speed, beat together the milk and pudding for 1 minute, until well blended. Let stand for 5 minutes.

Fold in the whipped topping and crushed cookies; spoon into crust.

Cover and freeze for about 6 hours, or until firm.

Slice pie with a knife dipped in warm water. Garnish with a dollop of whipped cream or whipped topping and cookie crumbs, if desired.
Serves: 6
Shared by Linda

:p

ROFL

seriously though, if were to go 4th or 5th when do they make the coin flips?

kstater
01-01-2008, 10:14 AM
:p

ROFL

seriously though, if were to go 4th or 5th when do they make the coin flips?


Heard sometime around the combine.

xbarretx
01-01-2008, 10:15 AM
Heard sometime around the combine.

argh! Feb 26 - 28 ? we have to wait that long. :deevee:

synthesis2
01-01-2008, 10:16 AM
So when they say Division record they don't mean your record in the division they are talking about your points for and points against differential???? That dosen't make any sense.

morphius
01-01-2008, 10:32 AM
So when they say Division record they don't mean your record in the division they are talking about your points for and points against differential???? That dosen't make any sense.
They go down the list of tiebreakers that determine division standings first, same thing they do for the playoff's.

DaFace
01-01-2008, 11:10 AM
Good lord. I think I'm going to make a commitment from here on out to neg rep anyone who posts a new thread about our draft order. Who's with me?

doomy3
01-01-2008, 11:16 AM
Heard sometime around the combine.


Yikes. Just think how many of these threads we get to enjoy between now and then.

eazyb81
01-01-2008, 11:22 AM
We are f'd if Atlanta wins the coin flip, because they need OL and QB help just like we do so they will probably take the player we want.

doomy3
01-01-2008, 11:24 AM
We are f'd if Atlanta wins the coin flip, because they need OL and QB help just like we do so they will probably take the player we want.


The good news is that even if they win the flip, they still only get one pick.

Bwana
01-01-2008, 11:27 AM
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smittysbar
01-01-2008, 01:39 PM
Heard sometime around the combine.

http://www.wired.com/news/images/full/8_combine_f.jpg

KChiefs1
01-01-2008, 02:25 PM
so are we picking 4th or 5th???????