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Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:11 AM
Man, Carl is so full of s**t it never ceases to amaze me.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:12 AM
"We have a plan". LMAO

Carl: "When interviewing Herm developing a young QB was one of the things that was attractive to me. My previous three coaches didn't want to do that."

:spock:

journeyscarab
01-03-2008, 10:13 AM
I like how Herm slipped and said "2008 was a disappointing season". Nice way to set the table ahead of the season! ;) I know he meant 2007, but it seemed like a funny Fruedian slip.

Oz_Chief
01-03-2008, 10:13 AM
Carl: challenging schedule in 2008 but we can re-establish home field advantage.

Are optimistic. Last year TB was 4-12, now they are in.

Also are rebuilding Arrowhead, which everyone will be excited about.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:14 AM
Carl: "The NFL is built so that the good teams become the bad teams and the bad teams become the good teams."

He is continually reminding everyone not to discount the fact that the Chiefs were a playoff team.

kc rush
01-03-2008, 10:14 AM
"We have a plan". LMAO

Carl: "When interviewing Herm developing a young QB was one of the things that was attractive to me. My previous three coaches didn't want to do that."

:spock:

Unfortunately, the current coach doesn't know how to.

Oz_Chief
01-03-2008, 10:15 AM
Carl: period of change. Should be excited.

Herm wants to build through the draft.

Long term composition of front office has been discussed and Clark will share that info in the future.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:15 AM
Ok, all this "we have a plan" crap is just dumb. What is that plan, a**holes?

journeyscarab
01-03-2008, 10:15 AM
Carl has dirt on Clark so Clark is going along with Carl for two more years.

kc rush
01-03-2008, 10:16 AM
Also are rebuilding Arrowhead, which everyone will be excited about.

I would be more excited about a quality product on the field not the perks the club level people are getting.

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 10:16 AM
Carl says his responsibilities have not changed...but he's clarifying that he relies on ray farmer and Bill Kuharich and 9 other ......


Carl...suk mah baows.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:16 AM
Carl: "We're going to get the players Herm wants."

Read as: "I'm going to make this year's draft reaches and busts out to be Herm's fault."

Oz_Chief
01-03-2008, 10:17 AM
Carl: decisions made on players are made by everyone on the staff, not just Carl Peterson.

Oz_Chief
01-03-2008, 10:18 AM
Carl: ready to draft the best player that can help the Chiefs win.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:18 AM
Carl: "The NFL is built so that the good teams become the bad teams and the bad teams become the good teams."

He is continually reminding everyone not to discount the fact that the Chiefs were a playoff team.

Obviously, the Colts and Patriots have not received this memo.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:19 AM
Carl: "Every year you have to re-win the confidence of your fans."

Dude, you haven't done s**t in 19 f**king years. *19* a**shole.

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 10:19 AM
Fans...you're lucky I've kept this team as good as I have [/carl]

He's playing the "well, you're great fans and great fans will come anyway" card.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:19 AM
Why hasn't he announced the hiring of Cam Cameron as our new offensive coordinator?

kc rush
01-03-2008, 10:20 AM
No one there has any balls. Pass the blame.

I hope that Clark decides on a clean sweep soon.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:20 AM
Someone brought up the several busts and Carl trots out the two draft picks that DIDN'T suck from that draft.

KCChiefsFan88
01-03-2008, 10:20 AM
He is continually reminding everyone not to discount the fact that the Chiefs were a playoff team.

A playoff team for about 3 seconds until the Colts bitch-slapped them out of the playoffs.

Even Herm has admitted the Chiefs were a playoff team in name only last year.

TEX
01-03-2008, 10:21 AM
Carl: challenging schedule in 2008 but we can re-establish home field advantage.

Are optimistic. Last year TB was 4-12, now they are in.
_____________________________________________________________

Last I checked, John Gruden is a much better coach than Herm Edwards.

Oz_Chief
01-03-2008, 10:21 AM
Reporter: Are you satisfied with the players that have been drafted since Herm arrived?

Carl: Don't forget about Colquitt. I am pleased. Stats are improving. Reflection of defensive coaching.

Herm: Difficult to evaluate young interior DL. Showed a lot of improvement which should be seen next year. Page has a great future. Pollard too. Tamba had a little soph slump. Should have ~10 sacks. Will get better.

Bill Lundberg
01-03-2008, 10:21 AM
A playoff team for about 3 seconds until the Colts bitch-slapped them out of the playoffs.

Even Herm has admitted the Chiefs were a playoff team in name only last year.


Do you get rings for making the playoffs and getting bitch-slapped in the first round, Carl?

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:21 AM
Herm: "Page, Pollard, and Hali will all be better next year."

Gee, ya think? You'd better freaking hope so.

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 10:22 AM
Herm: "I don't see a franchise QB in any of these 4-5 guys that everyone is talking about"


CP feels like Brodie can be the QBotF for the Chiefs....shows all the....


HERM! You effing id-10-T.....you need to start PRETENDING you LOVE some of the top players you have zero interest in....JUST IN CASE SOMEONE ELSE DOES BADLY ENOUGH TO MAKE A BIG TRADEDOWN OFFER.....just in case you wanted that option.

At the end of the day, You're an idiot

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:23 AM
Herm: "None of the QBs in the draft will turn your team around."

Carl: "We like Brody. He has all the tools."

TEX
01-03-2008, 10:23 AM
Why hasn't he announced the hiring of Cam Cameron as our new offensive coordinator?

ROFL

Too good to be true. It won't happen.

Oz_Chief
01-03-2008, 10:23 AM
Reporter: are you looking at any QBs in the draft?

Herm: you always look at QB. One's I have seen have not thrilled me. I do not see a franchise QB. There are good ones but not great.

Reporter: Are you against giving up picks for QB?

Carl: yes. I feel good about Croyle. Think he can be QBOTF. Shows leadership, knowledge, arm, comptetiveness, toughness. Need to build around Croyle to provide protection and pay to his strengths.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:24 AM
He's lauding our punter? Seriously?

FAX
01-03-2008, 10:25 AM
... Need to build around Croyle to provide protection and pay to his strengths.

That sounds good to me.

FAX

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:25 AM
Herm: "None of the QBs in the draft will turn your team around."

Carl: "We like Brody. He has all the tools."

These two rockheads wouldn't know a good QB if he came up and kicked them both square in the balls.

TEX
01-03-2008, 10:25 AM
Herm: "I don't see a franchise QB in any of these 4-5 guys that everyone is talking about"


CP feels like Brodie can be the QBotF for the Chiefs....shows all the....


But every time you look in the mirror Herm, do you see a total dumbass?

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:25 AM
Jabba the Reporter: "Why didn't you fix the OL last year?"

Carl: "I'll take the blame on that, I thought the guys we had would be fine."

kc rush
01-03-2008, 10:26 AM
He's lauding our punter? Seriously?

Sadly, he is probably one of the top 5-10 players on this team.

JA, LJ, Bowe, DJ, Waters ?????

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:27 AM
Jabba the Reporter: "Why didn't you fix the OL last year?"

Carl: "I'll take the blame on that, I thought the guys we had would be fine."

Says the moron who claims our QB has all the tools. If that isn't the kiss of death, I'm not sure what is.

KCChiefsFan88
01-03-2008, 10:27 AM
He's lauding our punter? Seriously?

And for the record Colquitt was drafted under Vermeil's watch... not Herm

TEX
01-03-2008, 10:28 AM
Jabba the Reporter: "Why didn't you fix the OL last year?"

Carl: "I'll take the blame on that, I thought the guys we had would be fine."


And THAT is why YOU SUCK ASS! :shake:

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:28 AM
They were just asked about Cam Cameron. Herm says it isn't about the name, it's about the "fit".

Oz_Chief
01-03-2008, 10:28 AM
Carl: also pleased with Thigpen, but all of our QBs need help. It is what up front that counts. You need good OL and DL to be competitive. We will address those areas.

Reporter: Why not address OL prior to 2007 season?

Carl: I felt that vets (Waters, Mcintosh, Terry, Turley, etc.) with experience could do the job. I was wrong. Injuries and age made it not work out. But, we have young players that have had to come in (Svitek, Taylor, Stallings, Niswanger) but we will look at draft to improve OL.

Herm: Fixing OL is key.

Reporter: Any interest in Cameron?

Herm: There will be interest in a lot of guys. It is about fit, not names. Every Coordinator has a system. I want to adapt systems to players, not vice versa. [sounds like Cameron will not be the guy].

kc rush
01-03-2008, 10:29 AM
They were just asked about Cam Cameron. Herm says it isn't about the name, it's about the "fit".

Meaning Cam is too arena league for me.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:29 AM
Herm doesn't want to put a round hole in a square hole.

FAX
01-03-2008, 10:29 AM
I love this quote:

Herm: You can't put a round hole in that square hole.

FAX

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:29 AM
They were just asked about Cam Cameron. Herm says it isn't about the name, it's about the "fit".

Again, what the **** does Herm know about offense, other than how to ruin a good one?

acasas4
01-03-2008, 10:29 AM
Jabba the Reporter: "Why didn't you fix the OL last year?"

Carl: "I'll take the blame on that, I thought the guys we had would be fine."
And Herm was fine with it too. What great talent evaluation.

Sure-Oz
01-03-2008, 10:30 AM
Herm: "I don't see a franchise QB in any of these 4-5 guys that everyone is talking about"


CP feels like Brodie can be the QBotF for the Chiefs....shows all the....
Translation:brodie has a hot wife and we both want to tap that ass

kc rush
01-03-2008, 10:31 AM
Herm doesn't want to put a round hole in a square hole.

But the want to jam it up the fans' collective A-hole.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:31 AM
And for the record Colquitt was drafted under Vermeil's watch... not Herm

My comment wasn't aimed at Herm. Has there ever been a GM that has used the selection of a punter in a draft to deflect criticism of his poor drafting skills? Jesus.

HC_Chief
01-03-2008, 10:31 AM
f*ck the chiefs. I'm done with them.

Purge the front office, then I may come back. Until then, sit & spin motherf*ckers.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:32 AM
Whoah! Carl was just asked if making the playoffs was enough or if he just wants to back into the playoffs over and over.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:32 AM
Whoah! Carl was just asked if making the playoffs was enough or if he just wants to back into the playoffs over and over.

Nice! Response?

DaKCMan AP
01-03-2008, 10:32 AM
f*ck the chiefs. I'm done with them.

Purge the front office, then I may come back. Until then, sit & spin motherf*ckers.

buh bye

Oz_Chief
01-03-2008, 10:33 AM
Reporter: what will help your QB and offense? What are you looking for.

Herm: You need to be tough and have the ability to run between the tackles. However, you also need to get outside the numbers and use skill guys (Bowe, etc.). [This is what Holthus said Monday night on 810]

Reporter: Is building a playoff team or a championship team the goal?

Carl: Championship team.

Herm: Need a team that can win in the playoffs. Fluition. Getting to the playoffs is not good enough.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:33 AM
Nice! Response?
Carl: "The goal is winning the Super Bowl, blah blah blah."

kc rush
01-03-2008, 10:34 AM
Whoah! Carl was just asked if making the playoffs was enough or if he just wants to back into the playoffs over and over.

Seriously? Who asked that? :bravo:

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:34 AM
Carl: "We hired Herm because he's won playoff games."


Wasn't that a singular playoff game?

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:34 AM
f*ck the chiefs. I'm done with them.

Purge the front office, then I may come back. Until then, sit & spin motherf*ckers.

Yeah, these dipshits don't inspire confidence, do they? I won't talk bad about anyone who makes this comment.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:34 AM
Seriously? Who asked that? :bravo:
Sounded like one of the 810 guys, but I couldn't tell you who.

chiefforlife
01-03-2008, 10:35 AM
You see men, "it's not the wit, it's the fit."

:hmmm:

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 10:35 AM
Q: What criteria do you use to evaluate yourself carl?

A. Win loss...I'm disappointed. Its is more than that....but but but last year we made the playoffs at 9-7. I look at my(EXCELLENT) player personel decisions....and the stadium and financial successes. I'm going to fill the stadium again this year.

KCChiefsFan88
01-03-2008, 10:35 AM
My comment wasn't aimed at Herm. Has there ever been a GM that has used the selection of a punter in a draft to deflect criticism of his poor drafting skills? Jesus.

I know... I was pointing out that Dictator Carl sounded like he was giving Herm credit for drafting Colquitt.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:35 AM
Carl: "I'm invigorated by the challenge of getting the stadium filled again."

TEX
01-03-2008, 10:35 AM
But the want to jam it up the fans' collective A-hole.

ROFL

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:36 AM
Carl: "We hired Herm because he's won playoff games."


Wasn't that a singular playoff game?

He beat Marty at Marty's place. Not exactly an overwhelming task in the playoffs.

Oz_Chief
01-03-2008, 10:36 AM
Reporter: what is the criteria win you evaluate yourself?

Carl: first is W-L record. This year was unacceptable. Also, about being realistic. Where are we going? Big picture stuff. Player personnel. Stadium renovations, marketing, sales. I am not happy with what happened on the field. I am invigorated by our current challenge with rebuilding [did not use that word]. We did a very good job but our record sucked.

Reporter: Can you identify anything specific that led to this year's record.

Carl: OL. Draft choices that did not work out. There really is no single thing. I like people to come up with ideas.

Donger
01-03-2008, 10:37 AM
Carl: "The goal is winning the Super Bowl, blah blah blah."

Did he really say that? Followed by this?

Q: What criteria do you use to evaluate yourself carl?

A. Win loss...I'm disappointed. Its is more than that....but but but last year we made the playoffs at 9-7. I look at my(EXCELLENT) player personel decisions....and the stadium and financial successes. I'm going to fill the stadium again this year

?

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:37 AM
Herm: "When Pennington was healthy we were a playoff team, once he was hurt we weren't."

kc rush
01-03-2008, 10:38 AM
Carl: "I'm invigorated by the challenge of getting the stadium filled again."

Good luck with that. He's got my two seats to fill now.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:38 AM
Did he really say that? Followed by this?

Q: What criteria do you use to evaluate yourself carl?

A. Win loss...I'm disappointed. Its is more than that....but but but last year we made the playoffs at 9-7. I look at my(EXCELLENT) player personel decisions....and the stadium and financial successes. I'm going to fill the stadium again this year

?
Yep.

FAX
01-03-2008, 10:38 AM
Help!!!! I'm being persuaded!!!!

Carl actually sounds rational and reasonable in this deal. Even taking the blame for allowing the oline to get old.

Somebody pass me a tin hat.

FAX

journeyscarab
01-03-2008, 10:38 AM
Carl's such a self-aggrandizing prick.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:38 AM
Herm: "When Pennington was healthy we were a playoff team, once he was hurt we weren't."

Here it comes. If they bring Chad here, I may just actively root against the Chiefs.

Zouk
01-03-2008, 10:39 AM
He beat Marty at Marty's place. Not exactly an overwhelming task in the playoffs.

Also 41-0 over Manning, Harrison, Wayne, and Edgerrin James.

An overwhelming task in the playoffs.

Donger
01-03-2008, 10:40 AM
Herm: "When Pennington was healthy we were a playoff team, once he was hurt we weren't."

Why the F*CK is this idiot STILL talking about the F*CKING Jets!!!?

Herm, you are now the coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. In fact, you have been for two years.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:40 AM
Here it comes. If they bring Chad here, I may just actively root against the Chiefs.
In his defense, he was talking up Brodie at the time.

acasas4
01-03-2008, 10:40 AM
Herm: "When Pennington was healthy we were a playoff team, once he was hurt we weren't."
Exactly Herm. Now you have another injury prone QB and you and your assbuddy Carl think he's your QB of the future. God this is insane.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:41 AM
Herm: "You have to run the ball. If you throw it a bunch you can't win."

FAX
01-03-2008, 10:41 AM
Why the F*CK is this idiot STILL talking about the F*CKING Jets!!!?

Herm, you are now the coach of the Kansas City Chiefs. In fact, you have been for two years.

Yeah. I hate that.

FAX

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:42 AM
Also 41-0 over Manning, Harrison, Wayne, and Edgerrin James.

An overwhelming task in the playoffs.

Good point. My frustration kept me from remembering this. :)

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:43 AM
Herm: "I'm not going to deviate from what I want. It's about doing what the players can do."

--then later--

"When I got here we were going to play the cover 2. Period."

Which is it jackass?

kc rush
01-03-2008, 10:43 AM
Herm: "You have to run the ball. If you throw it a bunch you can't win."

F*ck Tom Brady and the Pats, they are losers for throwing the ball.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:43 AM
Herm: "You have to run the ball. If you throw it a bunch you can't win."

Obviously, the Colts and Patriots haven't received this memo. Feel free to include the Packers and Cowboys in there, too. Tony Romo!

Zouk
01-03-2008, 10:43 AM
Anyone ask about why they retained Priefer? The special teams were terrible.

KCChiefsFan88
01-03-2008, 10:44 AM
Is Clark Hunt at the press conference? Or is he still hiding under Dictator Carl's desk. I'm still waiting for the public comments he promised after the season was over.

Donger
01-03-2008, 10:44 AM
Yep.

So, he acknowledges that winning the SB is the goal, and yet he evaluates himself on criteria that has nothing to do with said goal?

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 10:45 AM
CP "right now we're REscaling ticket prices at Arrowhead"

In 2008, there are a significant number of people that will be pleased with no increase or even a reduction......

There will be NO price increases in Parking "for 2008"

Our fans will appreciate that.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:45 AM
Carl was just asked about a ticket price increase.

"We're rescaling the ticket prices for the new Arrowhead. Specific for the 2008 season there will be no increase or a reduction for a lot of tickets. No parking increases."

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:46 AM
Herm: "You have to run the ball. If you throw it a bunch you can't win."

This belief of having to have a power run game to win championships died with the 2000 Ravens. You need balance and creative playcalling. Defenders today are too athletic and smart to not be able to stop a one dimmensional team on a side of the ball.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:46 AM
Carl: "You're all too stupid to understand the salary cap. We can't get rid of TG or LJ."

Micjones
01-03-2008, 10:47 AM
After 19 years Carl's just now figuring out that you build great teams through the draft?

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:47 AM
Is Clark Hunt at the press conference? Or is he still hiding under Dictator Carl's desk. I'm still waiting for the public comments he promised after the season was over.

That's next week.

Donger
01-03-2008, 10:47 AM
It seems clear that Carl's pressure point is having a full stadium.

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 10:47 AM
Q; will you trade a veteran for draft choices?

CP: Lets get specific..you're talking about Larry Johnson and TG....you forget about the cap, and its not possible and not going to happen. We've tried to gain salary cap room...........J Allen will get tagged if he won't sign, and we've got to tender offers to some RFAs. Laughs are people who want to trade a player in the 2nd year. Most teams won't accept contract if you could eat that.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:48 AM
LMAO

Carl just admitted that no other team would take on the contracts he gave TG or LJ.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:49 AM
Herm: "Your game plan is to get a 2 score lead and run the ball."

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:49 AM
LMAO

Carl just admitted that no other team would take on the contracts he gave TG or LJ.

If these reporters had any balls, someone would ask if those re-signs were just pure ego on Carl's part.

Chiefnj2
01-03-2008, 10:49 AM
Is Clark Hunt at the press conference? Or is he still hiding under Dictator Carl's desk. I'm still waiting for the public comments he promised after the season was over.
When did Clark promise a press conference?

kc rush
01-03-2008, 10:49 AM
Q; will you trade a veteran for draft choices?

CP: Lets get specific..you're talking about Larry Johnson and TG....you forget about the cap, and its not possible and not going to happen. We've tried to gain salary cap room...........J Allen will get tagged if he won't sign, and we've got to tender offers to some RFAs. Laughs are people who want to trade a player in the 2nd year. Most teams won't accept contract if you could eat that.

And why do they have the contracts that make them untradeable? Genius.

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 10:49 AM
Herm: when you get ahead by 2 scores against shitty teams.....you just run the ball down their throat, thats why we got ran on.

Oz_Chief
01-03-2008, 10:49 AM
Reporter: The QB is important, right?

Herm: yes. A QB does not need to be the best QB in the league, but they must be very good. Croyle is a little careless with his body. He throws himself around too much. I am not concerned with his injury status because he has not sustained anything serious.

Reporter: what would you like to see Croyle do in the future? i.e. what should new OC bring?

Herm: he is mobile: throw outside pocket. Throw deep ball and deep outs. Do not force things, but that is typical for young QBs. He should grow out of that. We must be able to run the ball.

Reporter: what is the process for hiring a new OC? Does OC need to convince you that they can work with current players?

Herm: he must understand who the key players are. 14-18 players will not be here next year. Must know what they are going to do and get us to buy in. Must be tough. Players must have inherent toughness. If they do not then they do not fit here. Look at JAX. They are tough. There are things that Herm wants to do, which is what will happen.

Reporter: why not do the offensive changes earlier?

Herm: I had a decision to make and I chose to fix D first.

Reporter: Will there be a ticket price increase?

Carl: We are currently rescaling ticket prices. There will be either no ticket price increase or ticket price reduction from 2007 to 2008. THis is part of our masterplan. There will be no parking fee increases either.

Reporter: would you trade important vet for draft picks? i.e. TG, LJ?

Carl: salary cap. TG and LJ will not be traded in 2nd year. Cap acceleration will destroy us. We are currently is very good shape. We need to get to Jared Allen. Want new contract but if it does not work out franchise tag = 9 million. We want to keep some RFAs.

Reporter: What do you mean by toughness?

Herm: It is mostly mental. You want 2 score lead and then run the ball.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:49 AM
Herm: "Your game plan is to get a 2 score lead and run the ball."

Herm needs to shut his piehole about offense.

kc rush
01-03-2008, 10:50 AM
Herm: "Your game plan is to get a 2 score lead and run the ball."

I think he meant a 2 point lead.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:51 AM
Herm: "The OL sucked because of the lack of consistency."

Wasn't that your choice?

KCChiefsFan88
01-03-2008, 10:51 AM
When did Clark promise a press conference?

He didn't which unfortunately means his "public comments" will be in the form of another orgy with Athan and Wargabage Illustrated

acasas4
01-03-2008, 10:51 AM
After 19 years Carl's just now figuring out that you build great teams through the draft?
How is he going to build through the draft when he and Herm can't evaluate players?

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:53 AM
Carl: "In closing, we have a plan and it's in progress."

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:53 AM
Christ. This press conference has done nothing but dredge up the frustration I had managed to somewhat bury.

KCChiefsFan88
01-03-2008, 10:54 AM
Herm: I had a decision to make and I chose to fix D first.

And yet the defense still isn't that good

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:54 AM
Carl: "In closing, we have a plan and it's in progress."

Somebody kneecap this prick.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:54 AM
Mercifully, it's finally over.

journeyscarab
01-03-2008, 10:54 AM
Harris helped us???

KCChiefsFan88
01-03-2008, 10:55 AM
I think 0-16 is a real possibility in 2008 after listening to this fiasco

Chiefnj2
01-03-2008, 10:55 AM
Summary to date:

Carl has said all the right things. Goal is a championship, he takes blame for OL. Carl gets all giddy about renovations and no price increase.

Herm is preaching the "fit". Coaches and players have to "fit" into what Herm wants. Herm wants a cover 2 defense and a tough team. He wants tough players. They have to buy into what Herm wants. (Say goodbye to Cameron, Martz, etc.)

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 10:57 AM
Summary to date:

Carl has said all the right things. Goal is a championship, he takes blame for OL. Carl gets all giddy about renovations and no price increase.

Herm is preaching the "fit". Coaches and players have to "fit" into what Herm wants. Herm wants a cover 2 defense and a tough team. He wants tough players. They have to buy into what Herm wants. (Say goodbye to Cameron, Martz, etc.)
Herm wants it both ways. He says "It's about making the system work for your players, I'm not a 'system' guy, you need to do the things your players can do."

Then three seconds later it's "I have a philosophy and I'm sticking to it. When I got here were were going to run the cover 2. Period. I don't care what it takes, we're running the cover 2."

:# Which is it c**k hole?

HemiEd
01-03-2008, 10:58 AM
Herm: "You have to run the ball. If you throw it a bunch you can't win."

yep, no winning teams are throwing the ball. :banghead:

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:58 AM
Summary to date:

Carl has said all the right things. Goal is a championship, he takes blame for OL. Carl gets all giddy about renovations and no price increase.

Herm is preaching the "fit". Coaches and players have to "fit" into what Herm wants. Herm wants a cover 2 defense and a tough team. He wants tough players. They have to buy into what Herm wants. (Say goodbye to Cameron, Martz, etc.)

He wants Dick Curl as offensive coordinator with Chad Pennington as his QB. I WILL root against this team if that happens, and will do so until these guys are gone from this organization.

Micjones
01-03-2008, 10:58 AM
Sounds like some serious changes are on the horizon.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 10:59 AM
Sounds like some serious changes are on the horizon.

Yeah, with none good.

KCChiefsFan88
01-03-2008, 10:59 AM
yep, no winning teams are throwing the ball. :banghead:

It is a shame no one at the press conference asked Herm about this

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 11:00 AM
Sounds like some serious changes are on the horizon.
They will swap out some people, but they'll bring in people who are more likely to let Herm roll them over.

HemiEd
01-03-2008, 11:00 AM
CP "right now we're REscaling ticket prices at Arrowhead"

In 2008, there are a significant number of people that will be pleased with no increase or even a reduction......

There will be NO price increases in Parking "for 2008"

Our fans will appreciate that.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 11:01 AM
It is a shame no one at the press conference asked Herm about this
The 810 guys just mentioned that it was too bad Whitlock was in FL because he would have ripped them apart.

ChiTown
01-03-2008, 11:01 AM
yep, no winning teams are throwing the ball. :banghead:

Sincerely,

Tom Brady and his 50 TD's and 4800 yards passing .......... :rolleyes:

siberian khatru
01-03-2008, 11:02 AM
Sounds like some serious changes are on the horizon.

Deck chairs, Titanic, etc.

KCChiefsFan88
01-03-2008, 11:04 AM
The 810 guys just mentioned that it was too bad Whitlock was in FL because he would have ripped them apart.

Makes you wonder if the Chiefs intentionally had this press conference today knowing that the scarce big hitters that exist in the local KC sports media would be down covering KU in the Orange Bowl.

ILChief
01-03-2008, 11:04 AM
I must be in the minority but I thought this was the best press conference either of them have held in a while. Carl actually accepted responsibility. Herm seems to really want to fix the offense.

I still think Curl and the special teams coach should be gone, but I actually think the team will be better next year.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 11:05 AM
Makes you wonder if the Chiefs intentionally had this press conference today knowing that the scarce big hitters that exist in the local KC sports media would be down covering KU in the Orange Bowl.

I believe it.

CupidStunt
01-03-2008, 11:05 AM
Carl: "I'm invigorated by the challenge of getting the stadium filled again."

"Welcome to Kansas City, Mr. McNabb [or other other-the-hill 'big name']."

ChiTown
01-03-2008, 11:06 AM
I must be in the minority but I thought this was the best press conference either of them have held in a while. Carl actually accepted responsibility. Herm seems to really want to fix the offense.

I still think Curl, Carl, Herm and the special teams coach should be gone, but I actually think the team will be better next year.

fyp

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 11:06 AM
I must be in the minority but I thought this was the best press conference either of them have held in a while. Carl actually accepted responsibility. Herm seems to really want to fix the offense.

I still think Curl and the special teams coach should be gone, but I actually think the team will be better next year.
:spock:

That thing was nothing but contradictions.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 11:07 AM
"Welcome to Kansas City, Mr. McNabb [or other other-the-hill 'big name'."

Pennington. (Although, I can't imagine they think he'll fill the seats)

kc rush
01-03-2008, 11:07 AM
It is a shame no one at the press conference asked Herm about this

I used to think that the KC press was just more timid/less brash than the east coast media, but I'm beginning to think that they are just lazy. They only seem to ask a few questions about the story they already have half written so they can get some quotes, then they don't follow up.

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 11:08 AM
The best thing that came of this press conference is the phone call I got in the middle of it, landing my 2nd contract of the year.

dirk digler
01-03-2008, 11:09 AM
Herm is going be on Petro's show in about 15 minutes

Bowser
01-03-2008, 11:10 AM
Herm is going to be on Petro's show in 15 minutes. Hopefully Petro doesn't pussyfoot with him.

DaKCMan AP
01-03-2008, 11:10 AM
And why do they have the contracts that make them untradeable? Genius.

Wow, you are clueless.

Mr. Laz
01-03-2008, 11:12 AM
Carl: "In closing, we have a plan and it's in progress."
By any chance, would this be a 5 year plan?

kc rush
01-03-2008, 11:12 AM
Wow, you are clueless.

What? Why?

C-Mac
01-03-2008, 11:12 AM
The best thing that came of this press conference is the phone call I got in the middle of it, landing my 2nd contract of the year.
66% efficiency is acceptable considering its during a Chiefs conference.

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 11:13 AM
I hope Petro has the Taters to put the boots to Herm on his "plan" that hasn't started for 2 years....keeping a shitty ST coach, keeping Dick Curl.....

dirk digler
01-03-2008, 11:15 AM
Petro hammering the Chiefs about the D I hope he asks tough questions to Herm

HonestChieffan
01-03-2008, 11:16 AM
Well, after reading through some of the gasbag comments here, listening to what was said, it does give pause for some hope..

Carls clearly moved back from the talent process. That has to be good.

They realize what a disaster they created and seem to have some notion that old washed up FA wont turn this ship around.

OC job is gonna get the proper attention...fear for me is that Herm tries to direct the O...new guy should be able to overrule the turd.

Not to cool with Brodie love but who knows.

Carl heard the ticketholders....no price increase sounds good unless he gives a break to some and increase those with really good seats.

Ill hold my outrage till we see some moves and see some action...till then I just hope they can pull this thing off.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 11:17 AM
Well, after reading through some of the gasbag comments here, listening to what was said, it does give pause for some hope..

Carls clearly moved back from the talent process. That has to be good.

They realize what a disaster they created and seem to have some notion that old washed up FA wont turn this ship around.

OC job is gonna get the proper attention...fear for me is that Herm tries to direct the O...new guy should be able to overrule the turd.

Not to cool with Brodie love but who knows.

Carl heard the ticketholders....no price increase sounds good unless he gives a break to some and increase those with really good seats.

Ill hold my outrage till we see some moves and see some action...till then I just hope they can pull this thing off.

The perfect example of the fan Talking Can is always bringing up.

Simplex3
01-03-2008, 11:19 AM
Well, after reading through some of the gasbag comments here, listening to what was said, it does give pause for some hope..

Carls clearly moved back from the talent process. That has to be good.
Herm also then blamed his past coaches for the past drafts. Sounds like lip service to me.
They realize what a disaster they created and seem to have some notion that old washed up FA wont turn this ship around.
We've heard this before, too.
OC job is gonna get the proper attention...fear for me is that Herm tries to direct the O...new guy should be able to overrule the turd.
Read comments about "player strengths" vs "systems".
Not to cool with Brodie love but who knows.
Meh.
Carl heard the ticketholders....no price increase sounds good unless he gives a break to some and increase those with really good seats.
That's exactly what they're going to do.

DaKCMan AP
01-03-2008, 11:19 AM
What? Why?

The salary cap makes teams unable to trade their big-time salary players without restructuring. The Colts wouldn't be able to trade Freeney, Manning or Wayne if they wanted to. The Rams couldn't trade Bulger. The Chargers couldn't trade LT, etc., etc.

Ridiculing Carl because teams wouldn't take the cap hit (not to mention the cap hit we'd take) from TG or LJ is insane.

dirk digler
01-03-2008, 11:21 AM
Herm is on now

Donger
01-03-2008, 11:21 AM
The ONLY thing Carl cares about is a full stadium.

HemiEd
01-03-2008, 11:24 AM
It is a shame no one at the press conference asked Herm about this

Carl would blackball them from future press conferences, they only want foot shuffling porters like Nick Athan.

dirk digler
01-03-2008, 11:25 AM
Still need to fix some things on D

Need to be better against the run and get more turnovers

kc rush
01-03-2008, 11:25 AM
The salary cap makes teams unable to trade their big-time salary players without restructuring. The Colts wouldn't be able to trade Freeney, Manning or Wayne if they wanted to. The Rams couldn't trade Bulger. The Chargers couldn't trade LT, etc., etc.

Ridiculing Carl because teams wouldn't take the cap hit from TG or LJ is insane.

I was ridiculing Carl for his genius move of giving huge contracts to those two players. Of course no team would take on those contracts, its just another example of Carl spending too much on guys that have had some success so he can say "Look at me, there are pro-bowlers on this team that I have drafted".

Bowser
01-03-2008, 11:25 AM
The ONLY thing Carl cares about is a full stadium.

His comments would seem to indicate this.

dirk digler
01-03-2008, 11:26 AM
LMAO

Didn't consider any changes on D staff

chiefsfan1963
01-03-2008, 11:26 AM
looks like I won't be renewing my NFL TIcket for at least 2 years!

Bowser
01-03-2008, 11:26 AM
LMAO

Didn't consider any changes on D staff

"Ehh....ahhhh.....uhhh......"

HemiEd
01-03-2008, 11:27 AM
Sincerely,

Tom Brady and his 50 TD's and 4800 yards passing .......... :rolleyes:

that arena league stuff is just getting all twisted, it won't work long term.[/herm]

DaKCMan AP
01-03-2008, 11:27 AM
I was ridiculing Carl for his genius move of giving huge contracts to those two players. Of course no team would take on those contracts, its just another example of Carl spending too much on guys that have had some success so he can say "Look at me, there are pro-bowlers on this team that I have drafted".

So we should make it a practice to let our best players walk?

HonestChieffan
01-03-2008, 11:27 AM
Only with meaningful progress rebuilding this wreck will he get a full stadium.

If the stadium is full cause the rebuild works then Im all for that.

dirk digler
01-03-2008, 11:27 AM
ST team coach has done a great job LMAO

Had alot of young players on ST

Herm is an idiot

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 11:27 AM
Petro IS asking about the special teams and Prieffer.....

Herm says its a product of young and shitty players, not coaching.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 11:28 AM
"You need to average 26-28 field goals a year."

The Patriots didn't get this memo, either. God forbid you punch it into the endzone. Jesus.

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 11:29 AM
Wants to Hire OC prior to the Senior bowl.

Like players, there will be alot of big name guys thrown around, but it ultimately comes down to a guy who fits the system....the system has to fit the players, not the other way around.

ChiTown
01-03-2008, 11:29 AM
Holy fug

"Really pleased with the ST's coach............."

It's apparent Herm is missing a number of Chromosomes

Donger
01-03-2008, 11:29 AM
"You need to average 26-28 field goals a year."

The Patriots didn't get this memo, either. God forbid you punch it into the endzone. Jesus.

Wow. That's just utter stupidity.

Chiefnj2
01-03-2008, 11:31 AM
The ONLY thing Carl cares about is a full stadium.

Why should it be any different if that is all his boss cares about?

kc rush
01-03-2008, 11:32 AM
So we should make it a practice to let our best players walk?

No, but you don't give the biggest contract in team history to running backs with that many carries, who have a bad attitude, and who are incomplete players.

I can see giving Jarred Allen a big contract because dominant DEs are harder to replace than a running back.

ChiTown
01-03-2008, 11:32 AM
Why should it be any different if that is all his boss cares about?

touche

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 11:32 AM
He's looking for a "jason garret or a lane Kiffin".....not so much billick.

Petro asked about Mike Shula......Herm says.....He's a guy he knows and works with him and understands what he does, and he coached Brodie....But there's other guys. Key...have to Develop the QB and play to the QB's strength.

Petro throwing up BBS rumors......Would you bring in Pennington if he's cut?

Herm says "well, I think this...weigh your options, evaluate your situation and players. Where does the player fit. I believe Chad wants to be a starter."

Herm doesn't seem to like that thinking.....

dirk digler
01-03-2008, 11:32 AM
Pennington wants to be a starter

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 11:33 AM
Petro asked him if he's sandbagging for a QB....

Is your Career in KC going to sink or swim with Brodie Croyle?

We'll evaluate all positions. Eventually, you have to pick your guy and go with him. Right now, Brodie is our guy and we have to put players around him.

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 11:34 AM
Are you Confident Larry Johnson is going to come back at 100% and the old LJ.

Herm Says LJ is "very disappointed he couldn't help the team" and that he's excited to come back next year and get after it.

Donger
01-03-2008, 11:34 AM
Why should it be any different if that is all his boss cares about?

It shouldn't. If Clark is going to keep this turd, it's his fault, too.

RedThat
01-03-2008, 11:35 AM
WELL, I do have to agree with Herm on this, if your going to make Brodie your QBOTF at least build around him.

I can't say the Chiefs don't have the wrong idea there.

kc rush
01-03-2008, 11:35 AM
Petro asked him if he's sandbagging for a QB....

Is your Career in KC going to sink or swim with Brodie Croyle?

We'll evaluate all positions. Eventually, you have to pick your guy and go with him. Right now, Brodie is our guy and we have to put players around him.

Didn't he say that Trent was his guy about this time last year?

FAX
01-03-2008, 11:36 AM
Hmmm. Kind of dodged the question about a rift between he and Carl.

FAX

dirk digler
01-03-2008, 11:36 AM
Everyone is on the same page

Won't sign any big name FA's..no Faneca

DaKCMan AP
01-03-2008, 11:37 AM
No, but you don't give the biggest contract in team history to running backs with that many carries, who have a bad attitude, and who are incomplete players.

I can see giving Jarred Allen a big contract because dominant DEs are harder to replace than a running back.

Fair enough about LJ (although I don't have a problem with his attitude), but I was fine with TG and (hopefully) JA inking deals.

To be fair, without LJ this team was 0-13 (including preseason).

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 11:38 AM
Says they'll be active in FA, but they'll be after "2nd contract players......not 3rd year, plateau guys"

He's on the same page as Carl.

Laughed at signing guys like Alan Faneca.


Philosophy on the draft.....Options open, trade down or trade up. they'll look at it, but not answering the question.

Hard Knocks
Thinks it was good for the organization and the nfl....good thing they don't have to do it again for a while.

Best available player or by need?
Always pick the best available players and they need to stick to their draft board. Good players find a way to play. get in trouble if you pick the guys for need by skipping better players.

Iowanian
01-03-2008, 11:39 AM
THAT was a pretty good interview. Solid questions by Petro, and decent answers from Herm.

ChiTown
01-03-2008, 11:39 AM
Everyone is on the same page

Won't sign any big name FA's..no Faneca

Yeah, cuz big name FA's are FOOLS GOLD!!!!!

FringeNC
01-03-2008, 11:40 AM
Damn, reading the crap those stooges said -- really, the only thing we can hope for is that these idiots get lucky drafting the next year or two, because Herm seems a long way away from realizing his coaching philosophy of playing not to lose is antiquated.

It's funny -- if we hired Hackett as OC, he'd be the most competent out of Carl, Herm, Gun and himself. At least he's a legit QB coach, and would improve Croyle's footwork.

You simply can't win in today's NFL with the people we have running the show. They aren't smart enough, and it's obvious.

DaKCMan AP
01-03-2008, 11:41 AM
Yeah, cuz big name FA's are FOOLS GOLD!!!!!

More often than not, yeah. There's usually a reason the team lets 'em go.

ChiTown
01-03-2008, 11:42 AM
You simply can't win in today's NFL with the people we have running the show. They aren't smart enough, and it's obvious.

A-muthafkn-men.

It's pretty damn obvious that this batch of "morans" can't get it done.

NEXT!

FAX
01-03-2008, 11:43 AM
THAT was a pretty good interview. Solid questions by Petro, and decent answers from Herm.

Yeah. This is getting kind of scary. Carl and Herm seemed focused and contrite in the presser and Herm actually sounded somewhat intelligent in that interview.

End of times?

FAX

TEX
01-03-2008, 11:44 AM
WELL, I do have to agree with Herm on this, if your going to make Brodie your QBOTF at least build around him.

I can't say the Chiefs don't have the wrong idea there.


No, but IMO they do have the wrong player to build around.

King_Chief_Fan
01-03-2008, 11:44 AM
He's looking for a "jason garret or a lane Kiffin".....not so much billick.

Petro asked about Mike Shula......Herm says.....He's a guy he knows and works with him and understands what he does, and he coached Brodie....But there's other guys. Key...have to Develop the QB and play to the QB's strength.

Petro throwing up BBS rumors......Would you bring in Pennington if he's cut?

Herm says "well, I think this...weigh your options, evaluate your situation and players. Where does the player fit. I believe Chad wants to be a starter."

Herm doesn't seem to like that thinking.....

I would bet a horse against a donut that Shula becomes the OC:banghead:

Bowser
01-03-2008, 11:45 AM
Yeah. This is getting kind of scary. Carl and Herm seemed focused and contrite in the presser and Herm actually sounded somewhat intelligent in that interview.

End of times?

FAX

Don't be fooled, Mr. FAX. Saying the right thing and doing the right thing are two totally different issues.

Chiefnj2
01-03-2008, 11:45 AM
Damn, reading the crap those stooges said -- really, the only thing we can hope for is that these idiots get lucky drafting the next year or two, because Herm seems a long way away from realizing his coaching philosophy of playing not to lose is antiquated.

It's funny -- if we hired Hackett as OC, he'd be the most competent out of Carl, Herm, Gun and himself. At least he's a legit QB coach, and would improve Croyle's footwork.

You simply can't win in today's NFL with the people we have running the show. They aren't smart enough, and it's obvious.

As sad as it is, Hackett is probably the best OC for this particular job. He can buy into Herm's system and do a good job at running what is now an outdated and flawed system. Any other coach would have to adjust and dumb down what they want to do and likely wouldn't fully buy into it.

HonestChieffan
01-03-2008, 11:50 AM
Yeah. This is getting kind of scary. Carl and Herm seemed focused and contrite in the presser and Herm actually sounded somewhat intelligent in that interview.

End of times?

FAX

This threatens the cloud of negativity and the nattering nabobs of doom!

xbarretx
01-03-2008, 11:50 AM
As sad as it is, Hackett is probably the best OC for this particular job. He can buy into Herm's system and do a good job at running what is now an outdated and flawed system. Any other coach would have to adjust and dumb down what they want to do and likely wouldn't fully buy into it.

time will tell what a watch wont.

RedThat
01-03-2008, 11:53 AM
No, but IMO they do have the wrong player to build around.

gotta give Croyle time? the kid hasn't had enough playing time. Too early to tell.

TEX
01-03-2008, 11:54 AM
As sad as it is, Hackett is probably the best OC for this particular job. He can buy into Herm's system and do a good job at running what is now an outdated and flawed system. Any other coach would have to adjust and dumb down what they want to do and likely wouldn't fully buy into it.

I think he's going for the UTEP coach. A college coach will be easy to control and will buy into Herm's BS because he gave him a break.

FAX
01-03-2008, 11:57 AM
Don't be fooled, Mr. FAX. Saying the right thing and doing the right thing are two totally different issues.

True, Mr. Bowser. Very true. But, I have to say these guys are pitching pretty darn well, right now.

As a Chiefs fan, I tend to hope for the best even in the darkest of times (which these most certainly are). Were it not Herm at the helm, I might be persuaded that we can, in fact, draft some solid players, fill a few holes in FA, make improvements to the oline, find a way to run the ball, start calling plays that leverage Croyle's strengths, and actually see some marked improvement next year.

Excuse me, the tooth fairy's at the door.

FAX

HC_Chief
01-03-2008, 11:58 AM
gotta give Croyle time? the kid hasn't had enough playing time. Too early to tell.


To tell what? That he isn't injury-prone? Or that he won't consistently make poor decisions?

I've seen enough to convince me that he is both injury-prone, and unable to read a defense.

Donger
01-03-2008, 11:58 AM
The video (and audio) is up at kcchiefs.com

FAX
01-03-2008, 11:58 AM
This threatens the cloud of negativity and the nattering nabobs of doom!

I know. I feel like I'm wearing tennis shoes at a formal dinner.

FAX

TEX
01-03-2008, 11:58 AM
gotta give Croyle time? the kid has had enough playing time. Too early to tell.

Some feel that way - the Chiefs sure do. However, I think I've seen enough. I'm still of the opinion that Brodie's the type of QB that we'll still be waiting for him to develop 5 years down the road. Plus, he's much too injury-prone for my liking. There's always gonna be "something" with that guy. I hope that IF the Chiefs ever feel as I do, that they'll cut their ties fast instead of trying to see something that simply isn't there. They owe Croyle nothing because he's a 3rd round pick. The fact that the organization has never successfully developed a young QB under CP shouldn't buy him more time - sadly I fear it will.

FAX
01-03-2008, 11:59 AM
I think he's going for the UTEP coach. A college coach will be easy to control and will buy into Herm's BS because he gave him a break.

That, right there, would suck.

Can you delete that post, Mr. TEX?

FAX

FringeNC
01-03-2008, 11:59 AM
I think he's going for the UTEP coach. A college coach will be easy to control and will buy into Herm's BS because he gave him a break.

I'd prefer the UTEP coach, because he'd have some upside, but isn't being an OC under Herm a career-killer? Herm's not going to give him full control, yet he will still be held responsible for the results.

Woodrow Call
01-03-2008, 12:00 PM
Yeah. This is getting kind of scary. Carl and Herm seemed focused and contrite in the presser and Herm actually sounded somewhat intelligent in that interview.

End of times?

FAX

Don't make the same mistake I did Mr. Fax. I bought into Herm's talk last year and he burned me bad. I'm somewhat encourged by some of things that have been said this offseason but until I see proof of change and a real NFL offense I'm skeptical at best.

Overall I like the "new plan" but don't trust the people in charge of it.

Donger
01-03-2008, 12:01 PM
Carl thinks that Herm "is a successful head coach"?

54-64-0 is "successful"?

Brock
01-03-2008, 12:02 PM
To tell what? That he isn't injury-prone? Or that he won't consistently make poor decisions?

I've seen enough to convince me that he is both injury-prone, and unable to read a defense.

I'm not there yet, but they should draft another guy to be prepared.

TEX
01-03-2008, 12:02 PM
That, right there, would suck.

Can you delete that post, Mr. TEX?

FAX

Well, think about it. It makes sense when you consider how Herm thinks.

FAX
01-03-2008, 12:04 PM
Don't make the same mistake I did Mr. Fax. I bought into Herm's talk last year and he burned me bad. I'm somewhat encourged by some of things that have been said this offseason but until I see proof of change and a real NFL offense I'm skeptical at best.

Overall I like the "new plan" but don't trust the people in charge of it.

I know exactly what you mean, Mr. Archie Bunker. I really do. In fact, I left the board for a long time after Herm was hired, in part due to "Germ Warfare". At that point, I believed we needed to give Herm time and, when he was first hired, I believed his statement that he wouldn't change the offense.

Then, I drove right through the plate glass window at the Herm Hate Zone which is where I've been until now. But, when you take the emotion out of it, face the facts that we are where we are, and objectively listen to "The Plan", it actually makes some sense.

FAX

FAX
01-03-2008, 12:05 PM
Well, think about it. It makes sense when you consider how Herm thinks.

I know, Mr. TEX. That's why it sucks so much.

FAX

TEX
01-03-2008, 12:06 PM
Carl thinks that Herm "is a successful head coach"?

54-64-0 is "successful"?

And TWO 4-12 seasons in 3 years kind of trumps the 4 playoff appearances in 6 years bit because it's now 4 out of 7 with 3 losing seasons out of 7 - and two were very ugly.

xbarretx
01-03-2008, 12:14 PM
Some feel that way - the Chiefs sure do. However, I think I've seen enough. I'm still of the opinion that Brodie's the type of QB that we'll still be waiting for him to develop 5 years down the road. Plus, he's much too injury-prone for my liking. There's always gona be "something" with that guy. I hope that IF the Chiefs ever feel as I do, that they'll cut their ties fast instead of trying to see something that simply isn't there. They owe Croyle nothing because he's a 3rd round pick. The fact that the organization has never successfully developed a young QB under CP shouldn't buy him more time - sadly I fear it will.

ok, then who do you draft? this draft isnt overly fantastic for OB Prospects. i mean they "could" be good but ... why trade one left sock that doesnt match for another that still doesnt match. we shouldnt be content on sucking less. we need to not suck at all. depending on who you listen to, Ryans the top prospect. and if he doesnt fall who do you get Woodson, Flacco (sp?) Brohm? maybe Ainge in the 2nd?

im asking what do you suggest they do then? as long as it doesnt involve mcnab or pennington (or some other old QB)

Bowser
01-03-2008, 12:16 PM
LMAO

KCJohnny is on Petro's show trying to convince that we should give up a first and third for Derek Anderson, while trading Croyle to the Ravens for the third we lost!

not sure if it's Proctor, but he's saying the same thing KCJ did....

Stryker
01-03-2008, 12:17 PM
By any chance, would this be a 5 year plan?

ROFL ROFL ROFL

I just spit out my food I laughed so hard! Damn that was funny!!!!

Thanks! :thumb:

CoMoChief
01-03-2008, 12:22 PM
Obviously, the Colts and Patriots have not received this memo.
Both of those teams in the late 80's and early 90's were the laughing stock of the league for about a decade.

TEX
01-03-2008, 12:23 PM
ok, then who do you draft? this draft isnt overly fantastic for OB Prospects. i mean they "could" be good but ... why trade one left sock that doesnt match for another that still doesnt match. we shouldnt be content on sucking less. we need to not suck at all. depending on who you listen to, Ryans the top prospect. and if he doesnt fall who do you get Woodson, Flacco (sp?) Brohm? maybe Ainge in the 3rd?

im asking what do you suggest they do then? as long as it doesnt involve mcnab or pennington (or some other old QB)

I'd go with Brodie, but not stick with him too long if it's obvious to them that he's not the real deal. (like after next season) I'd also see if we could acquire another young QB prospect that's on somebody's roster via a trade.

xbarretx
01-03-2008, 12:25 PM
I'd go with Brodie, but not stick with him too long if it's obvious to them that he's not the real deal. (like after next season) I'd also see if we could acquire another young QB prospect that's on somebody's roster via a trade.

ok, i misunderstood. i thought you meant dump him pre 08 season.

yes, see what hes got this year then make the call. :thumb:

crazycoffey
01-03-2008, 12:26 PM
Petro asked about Mike Shula......Herm says.....He's a guy he knows and works with him and understands what he does, and he coached Brodie....But there's other guys. Key...have to Develop the QB and play to the QB's strength.


Do I smell a tap dance playing toward a cover up because Shula is their #1 choice???

Fish
01-03-2008, 12:26 PM
And TWO 4-12 seasons in 3 years kind of trumps the 4 playoff appearances in 6 years bit because it's now 4 out of 7 with 3 losing seasons out of 7 - and two were very ugly.

Bill Belichick started his head coaching career with 5 losing seasons out of the first 7. He only made the playoffs 2 times in those first 7 years. 52-112 in the regular season his first 7 seasons.

Would you like to take a guess what Herm has done over his first 7 seasons as head coach?

Yes.... 52-112 in the regular season. And Herm made the playoffs 4 times in those first 7 seasons.


Give the man a chance to do his job the way he wants it done.......

Donger
01-03-2008, 12:26 PM
Also, can we assume that considering they just gave this PC, Herm and Carl are still going to be HC and GM this coming season? If Clark were going to make any changes, he wouldn't have allowed them to have this press conference, right?

siberian khatru
01-03-2008, 12:27 PM
Overall I like the "new plan" but don't trust the people in charge of it.

Welcome to my world.

Bowser
01-03-2008, 12:27 PM
Both of those teams in the late 80's and early 90's were the laughing stock of the league for about a decade.

Are you saying that it's going to be another 15-20 years before we aren't the laughing stock of the NFL?

HC_Chief
01-03-2008, 12:27 PM
Bill Belichick started his head coaching career with 5 losing seasons out of the first 7. He only made the playoffs 2 times in those first 7 years. 52-112 in the regular season his first 7 seasons.

Would you like to take a guess what Herm has done over his first 7 seasons as head coach?

Yes.... 52-112 in the regular season. And Herm made the playoffs 4 times in those first 7 seasons.


Give the man a chance to do his job the way he wants it done.......

:spock:
A herm/Belichick comparison?

Donger
01-03-2008, 12:29 PM
Bill Belichick started his head coaching career with 5 losing seasons out of the first 7. He only made the playoffs 2 times in those first 7 years. 52-112 in the regular season his first 7 seasons.

Would you like to take a guess what Herm has done over his first 7 seasons as head coach?

Yes.... 52-112 in the regular season. And Herm made the playoffs 4 times in those first 7 seasons.


Give the man a chance to do his job the way he wants it done.......

That's interesting. Thanks. However, it seems clear that Belichick has an above average IQ. Herm, I'm not so sure about.

HemiEd
01-03-2008, 12:34 PM
To tell what? That he isn't injury-prone? Or that he won't consistently make poor decisions?

I've seen enough to convince me that he is both injury-prone, and unable to read a defense.

The last game against the Jets, tempered my enthusiasm for him somewhat. The homer in me wants to just say he was having an off day.

siberian khatru
01-03-2008, 12:34 PM
That's interesting. Thanks. However, it seems clear that Belichick has an above average IQ. Herm, I'm not so sure about.

BB has a better pedigree -- Bill Parcells' defensive coordinator on 3 Super Bowl teams (2 champions).

TEX
01-03-2008, 12:36 PM
Bill Belichick started his head coaching career with 5 losing seasons out of the first 7. He only made the playoffs 2 times in those first 7 years. 52-112 in the regular season his first 7 seasons.

Would you like to take a guess what Herm has done over his first 7 seasons as head coach?

Yes.... 52-112 in the regular season. And Herm made the playoffs 4 times in those first 7 seasons.


Give the man a chance to do his job the way he wants it done.......

Are you suggesting that Herm is Belichick? Belichick was much more accomplished as a coach before he became a HC. Herm got lucky and was named HC before paying his dues and before he gaind the needed experience.

Donger
01-03-2008, 12:36 PM
Bill Belichick started his head coaching career with 5 losing seasons out of the first 7. He only made the playoffs 2 times in those first 7 years. 52-112 in the regular season his first 7 seasons.

Would you like to take a guess what Herm has done over his first 7 seasons as head coach?

Yes.... 52-112 in the regular season. And Herm made the playoffs 4 times in those first 7 seasons.


Give the man a chance to do his job the way he wants it done.......

One second look, I'm not sure about those numbers. 164 games in seven seasons?

HC_Chief
01-03-2008, 12:36 PM
That's interesting. Thanks. However, it seems clear that Belichick has an above average IQ. Herm, I'm not so sure about.

He also went from a poorly run franchise (in terms of NFL decisions - see: KC Chiefs) to a very well run franchise with possibly the single best scouting department EVAR!!!1!

Didn't hurt that they fell ass-backwards in luck "discovering" Tom Brady

Alphaman
01-03-2008, 12:38 PM
Obviously, the Colts and Patriots haven't received this memo. Feel free to include the Packers and Cowboys in there, too. Tony Romo!


Uh...the Colts don't win the Superbowl last year without Addai. Manning was not that good in the playoffs. Addai was the MVP in the playoffs. The Packers were in trouble this year until Grant emerged as the real deal at RB. Dallas is relying more and more on Jones and Barber to get the offense going. The Patriots may be the exception, but when they play a playoff game in the wind and snow in a couple of weeks, Maroney will be the key if they are to win the game (like he was when they won in bad weather a couple of weeks ago).

Coogs
01-03-2008, 12:39 PM
Bill Belichick started his head coaching career with 5 losing seasons out of the first 7. He only made the playoffs 2 times in those first 7 years. 52-112 in the regular season his first 7 seasons.

Would you like to take a guess what Herm has done over his first 7 seasons as head coach?

Yes.... 52-112 in the regular season. And Herm made the playoffs 4 times in those first 7 seasons.


Give the man a chance to do his job the way he wants it done.......

52-112 in 7 seasons? The math seems a little off here. 16 X 7 = 112
So how about 52 - 60 in the regular season in the first 7 years. Doesn't sound quite so bad.

HC_Chief
01-03-2008, 12:39 PM
Uh...the Colts don't win the Superbowl last year without Addai. Manning was not that good in the playoffs. Addai was the MVP in the playoffs. The Packers were in trouble this year until Grant emerged as the real deal at RB. Dallas is relying more and more on Jones and Barber to get the offense going. The Patriots may be the exception, but when they play a playoff game in the wind and snow in a couple of weeks, Maroney will be the key if they are to win the game (like he was when they won in bad weather a couple of weeks ago).

Yes, those teams need BALANCE... all good/great teams do. herm simply wants to run, then run, and run some more.

Run, Run, Pass, Punt, baby!

Coogs
01-03-2008, 12:40 PM
One second look, I'm not sure about those numbers. 164 games in seven seasons?

Beat me to it! :)

FAX
01-03-2008, 12:41 PM
Does Herm get extra games?

FAX

hawkchief
01-03-2008, 12:41 PM
I think it's fair to assume we will suck ass next season, much like this year, or possibly worse. That said, why not let Dainty Croyle get banged around as long as he can take it, as we will probably have a shot at the top QB in the '09 draft. No sense in bringing in a REAL prospect and letting them get beat to shit.

Draft some O-line help this season and let them get some experience, then bring in the stud of next years (or even the year after's) class. The stankage we dealt with this year isn't going away any time soon.

I feel so much better now that Herm and Carl gave Brodie a hurge vote of confidence - it's obvious to anyone he's got IT. Aren't they the same guys that plucked Eddie Drummond as our kick returner? Fug you Carl. Fug you Herm. You both suck more than anything imaginable.

OnTheWarpath58
01-03-2008, 12:42 PM
"You need to average 26-28 field goals a year."

The Patriots didn't get this memo, either. God forbid you punch it into the endzone. Jesus.

Gostkowski attempted 24 FG's this year. Made 21.

FWIW, the Top 2 kickers (in FG's made) are both on playoff teams.

10 of the 12 teams in the playoffs have a kicker who made more than 23 FG's.


Damn, guys. Take it easy.

Fish
01-03-2008, 12:42 PM
They each won 52 out of 112 in the regular season the first 7 years of head coaching.

I am by no means saying Herm will be the next Belichick. My point was that Edwards' career after his first 7 seasons is eerily similar to Belichick's after 7 seasons of head coaching.

I bet Pats fans are glad they didn't give up on Belichick at that point.....

Donger
01-03-2008, 12:43 PM
Does Herm get extra games?

FAX

Football equivalent of the bell curve?

KCChiefsFan88
01-03-2008, 12:44 PM
Give the man a chance to do his job the way he wants it done.......

Herm has a body of work now that includes 7 years as an NFL coach and it is apparent what he wants done... he wants to try to win with an outdated offense that won't be successful in today's NFL... he wants to kick "at least" 26-28 field goals in a season and he wants to assemble a coaching staff with stiffs that won't threaten his insecure ego.

dirk digler
01-03-2008, 12:45 PM
Petro just made a good point about keeping Carl and Herm. Those 2 guys have 2 years left and if you were to fire them now and replace them it would cost the Chiefs $25-30 million and if you are still paying them you might as well let them attempt to finish the job. If by next year you see no improvement then you have to make the change

OnTheWarpath58
01-03-2008, 12:46 PM
LMAO

KCJohnny is on Petro's show trying to convince that we should give up a first and third for Derek Anderson, while trading Croyle to the Ravens for the third we lost!

not sure if it's Proctor, but he's saying the same thing KCJ did....

Please tell me Petro buried that BS.

Donger
01-03-2008, 12:47 PM
Gostkowski attempted 24 FG's this year. Made 21.

FWIW, the Top 2 kickers (in FG's made) are both on playoff teams.

10 of the 12 teams in the playoffs have a kicker who made more than 23 FG's.


Damn, guys. Take it easy.

Here's the difference: an intelligent person would look at those stats and say, "Okay, but surely they would have preferred those FGs to be TDs." I think Herm looks at those stats and says, "We HAVE to kick that many FGs."

HC_Chief
01-03-2008, 12:49 PM
Here's the difference: an intelligent person would look at those stats and say, "Okay, but surely they would have preferred those FGs to be TDs." I think Herm looks at those stats and says, "We HAVE to kick that many FGs."

Good thing we drafted a great kicker! Oh... wait... shit.

HemiEd
01-03-2008, 12:50 PM
They each won 52 out of 112 in the regular season the first 7 years of head coaching.

I am by no means saying Herm will be the next Belichick. My point was that Edwards' career after his first 7 seasons is eerily similar to Belichick's after 7 seasons of head coaching.

I bet Pats fans are glad they didn't give up on Belichick at that point.....

Yeah but Belichick knew about that square hole in that round hole thing. He didn't get flustrated and get it all twisted at the end of the day.

Bearcat
01-03-2008, 12:50 PM
There will be NO price increases in Parking "for 2008"

Our fans will appreciate that.
Heh... "The sheep will come back, and if you sign up for season tickets and write me a blank check to watch the Chiefs suck, within the next 2 hours, you'll get a free pencil! Free!"

Herm: "Your game plan is to get a 2 score lead and run the ball." "You need to average 26-28 field goals a year."

This is all you need to know about Herm. No matter what people say about "playing within the abilities of those on the field" and the "you play to win the game" cliche, Herm's philosophy will never change... regardless of the talent on the field, coordinators, etc.

Those two comments are mind-numbingly asinine and outdated in today's 'arena league' game.

Coaches like this win SBs because they give up control of the other side of the ball or because they have an incredibly dominating defense. Better hope for the latter.

doomy3
01-03-2008, 12:51 PM
Yes, those teams need BALANCE... all good/great teams do. herm simply wants to run, then run, and run some more.

Run, Run, Pass, Punt, baby!


Have you even looked at stats? You do realize that we threw on a higher percentage than either of those teams this year, right?

Fish
01-03-2008, 12:55 PM
Yeah but Belichick knew about that square hole in that round hole thing. He didn't get flustrated and get it all twisted at the end of the day.

By comparing them both in their early HC years you wouldn't think so...

You think Herm has reached his plateau.... I do not.

In 2000, I bet there were Pats fans thinking that Belichick had reached his as well after a 5-11 season. They endured and built a dynasty.


The man has his faults. I personally think he can still overcome them and be a very successful coach.

HC_Chief
01-03-2008, 12:57 PM
Have you even looked at stats? You do realize that we threw on a higher percentage than either of those teams this year, right?

Stats are for losers, as evidenced by the sorry herm-led chiefs.

OnTheWarpath58
01-03-2008, 12:57 PM
Here's the difference: an intelligent person would look at those stats and say, "Okay, but surely they would have preferred those FGs to be TDs." I think Herm looks at those stats and says, "We HAVE to kick that many FGs."


:BS:

C'mon, man.

Anyone who REALLY thinks that he doesn't want to score is ridiculous.

He's not saying we HAVE to kick that many FG's. But sure enough, go to the stats page at NFL.com and tell me how many teams fell into that category.

You're not going to score every time down the field, but you better get points when you're there.

I understand the frustration with Herm, I really do. But seeing some of you guys that are really brilliant and rational posters join the mob mentality is depressing.

Chiefnj2
01-03-2008, 12:58 PM
Petro just made a good point about keeping Carl and Herm. Those 2 guys have 2 years left and if you were to fire them now and replace them it would cost the Chiefs $25-30 million and if you are still paying them you might as well let them attempt to finish the job. If by next year you see no improvement then you have to make the change

Why is that a good point? It's not our grand daddy's oil money being used.

Wile_E_Coyote
01-03-2008, 12:58 PM
With the pitchforks, torches, vats of tar & carts of feathers. I hope there is a transcript latter, the view was limited

KCChiefsFan88
01-03-2008, 12:58 PM
The man has his faults. I personally think he can still overcome them and be a very successful coach.

Herm has a fatal fault though that he can't overcome which is his stubbornness. Belicheck has been successful because he has adapted to the modern game by favoring a wide-open, aggressive, pass-oriented offense. Herm on the other hand is stuck in his outdated beliefs and will never be a successful coach because of that.

doomy3
01-03-2008, 01:03 PM
Yes, those teams need BALANCE... all good/great teams do. herm simply wants to run, then run, and run some more.

Run, Run, Pass, Punt, baby!


Chiefs: Threw on 563 out of 1001 offensive plays=56.2%

Cowboys: Threw on 531 out of 975 plays=54.4%

Packers: Threw on 578 out of 985 plays=58.6%

Colts: Threw on 551 out of 1020 plays=54.0%

Patriots: Threw on 586 out of 1058 plays=55.3%


So, the only team that threw on a higher percentage of downs than the Chiefs out of these offensive juggernauts is the Packers.

HemiEd
01-03-2008, 01:04 PM
By comparing them both in their early HC years you wouldn't think so...

You think Herm has reached his plateau.... I do not.

In 2000, I bet there were Pats fans thinking that Belichick had reached his as well after a 5-11 season. They endured and built a dynasty.


The man has his faults. I personally think he can still overcome them and be a very successful coach.

To be totally honest, and depart a little from my Herm hatred, I think Belichick would be very average without Tom Brady. I truly think Brady may be the best ever to play the game, when it is all said and done.

However, I do think Herm is over his head, I really do. I think he is mentally challenged just to carry on a simple conversation.
Then, there are the character flaws, that detract from his leadership capabilities.
Seriously, he has shown a continued patern of faults that are 180 degrees from proven leadership qualities.
When he has made a lame attempt at taking any responsibility, he qualifies it.
If I was trapped in a stuck elavator with this idiot, his only usefulness would be as a step stool.

Fish
01-03-2008, 01:05 PM
Herm has a fatal fault though that he can't overcome which is his stubbornness. Belicheck has been successful because he has adapted to the modern game by favoring a wide-open, aggressive, pass-oriented offense. Herm on the other hand is stuck in his outdated beliefs and will never be a successful coach because of that.

Herm is the only stubborn coach in the league huh???


ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL


Belichick "adapted" to Tom Brady. He runs a wide-open, aggressive, pass-oriented offense because he has the talent to do it.

If you think the Chiefs wouldn't do the same if we had that talent, you are beyond ignorant.

doomy3
01-03-2008, 01:05 PM
Stats are for losers, as evidenced by the sorry herm-led chiefs.


LOL. OK man.